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Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:42:00 - [121] Originally by: Negentig Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35 We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Im sorry, have you ever even been outside the U.S.? What planet do you live on? Do you even have a passport? Get out and see the sunshine, don't believe what FOXnews tells you... I'm a diplomat for the Obama administration. We can't watch faux news, but we do all agree that europe is our play thing, and the only thing to fear is China itself (and sometimes Russia because they're elite haxxerx). Honestly the healthy-citizens, QOL, life expenctancy, and gdp arguments are flimsy at best. This world is ruled by violence and it's no secret most EU countries ceased that in the mid to late 20th century. Your sad little militaries aren't going to keep you relevent post-colonial power for long. I almost feel bad that you're really proud of Monnoco. It's like the carebear miners in the old NC being all high and mighty about all "they had accomplished," while the military core had wasted away. Didn't take much to see the whole NC was **** and their younger bros in CFC were the ones holding the torch. (America) ~this has been driveby diplomacy~
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:59:00 - [122] Jeez, some of you are mad Obviously there's no one-to-one mapping. The whole point is it's a bit of a mish-mash, with cultural strains crossing and interacting in odd ways, just as you'd expect from 20,000 years of isolation, reversion to barbarism, and claw back to civilization. Certain trends from today are extrapolated, but mixed and matched in unexpected ways. That's exactly what's so good and clever about the way it's set up. Amarr = one particular extrapolation of what a culture of people descended from Americans might become after 20,000 years of isolation, taking the religious tendency prevalent in American life to a theocratic extreme. But there are also hints of Middle Eastern theocracy and Islamic theocracy there too. Also some Mongolian, and perhaps Russian influence. Caldari = one particular extrapolation of how echoes of the Japanese Zaibatsu mentality might interact with European Nationalism of the Italian Fascist type. It's not strictly capitalism, because capitalism is more like what the Gallente do. The nearest equivalent in the West today is what's called "crony capitalism" - close collusion between state and top industrialists, as you find in the US a lot (though its influence is often exaggerated beyond reason by conspiracy theorists). Gallente = probably the purest extrapolation from a current culture to the future one: French, a bit bolshy like the French are, and very proud, and very into freedom and democracy. But also capitalist like the early US was capitalist; and bureacratic like the current EU is bureacratic. But there are also some echoes of the Indian subcontinent and China here too. Minmatar = an obvious reference to American slavery, the Amarr being a theocratic America taken to extremes, enslaving predominantly (but not exclusively) black tribes. But the Nordic influence is also there, as are other Asian influences, and, again, some echo of Russia (more the older, wild, tribal side of Russia). ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:09:00 - [123] Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 23:15:05 Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Minmatar = an obvious reference to American slavery, the Amarr being a theocratic America taken to extremes, enslaving predominantly (but not exclusively) black tribes. The president would like for me to point out that we didn't actually enslave anyone, we just bought slaves from europeans (until they decided to make us go cold turkey... **ing *****s) This map illustrates the point. If you want to talk about theocracy and slave-holding, look no further than Spain and the Catholic church. Over 90% of the African slave population was exported to south american and carribean Spanish/Protugese colonial holdings. These countries were and some continue to be absolutely awful, except Brazil, which is our friend and providor of risque parade material. Anyhow, the point is the diaspora and the minmatar story is absolutely a tale of european colonialism, not 18th and 19th century america. Trying to shoe-horn theocracy onto the US is something Mr. Obama is against.
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:33:00 - [124] Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 21/07/2011 23:34:05 Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 23:20:06 Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Minmatar = an obvious reference to American slavery, the Amarr being a theocratic America taken to extremes, enslaving predominantly (but not exclusively) black tribes. The president would like for me to point out that we didn't actually enslave anyone, we just bought slaves from europeans (until they decided to make us go cold turkey... **ing ***s) This map illustrates the point. If you want to talk about theocracy and slave-holding, look no further than Spain and the Catholic church. Over 90% of the African slave population was exported to south american and carribean Spanish/Protugese colonial holdings. These countries were and some continue to be absolutely awful, except Brazil, which is our friend and providor of risque parade material. Anyhow, the point is the diaspora and the minmatar story is absolutely a tale of european colonialism, not 18th and 19th century america.** Lets examing the minmatar story: -Bunch of ~~white~~ Amarrian people show up and enslave them: Europeans continue and proliferate the mid-eastern practice of enslaving sub-saharan Afrians. -Amarrians send them out to work the colonies: Europeans send slaves through the middle passage to the new colonies in the Americas. -Amarrians get bogged down in a war they end up loosing: Europe becomes over-extended during the late colonial era, ww1 - ww2. -Amarrians loose their strangle-hold on the Minmatar region: Europe pulls out of Africa and south america. -Minmatar revolts occur in areas the Amarr refused to relenquish, Ammatar regions are a war-torn hellscape: Africa of today. Umm, I did say "reference to" and "taken to extremes". I also said "no one-to-one mapping". It's more of a European liberal's view of what the religious Right tendency in America might lead to in a sort of re-run of slavery. It's an extremified religious America viewed through liberal Icelandic lenses. It's not meant to be a thesis or commentary on the actual history, more just an offhand, vague sort of echo. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:36:00 - [125] Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 23:38:32 Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Umm, I did say "reference to" and "taken to extremes". I also said "no one-to-one mapping". It's more of a European liberal's view of what the religious Right tendency in America might lead to in a sort of re-run of slavery. It's an extremified religious America viewed through liberal Icelandic lenses. It's ok to be wrong. Sometimes you just have to accept that your interpretation of something was so far off-base as to be completely laughable by those who could draw appropriate historical comparisons. Don't hang on to your rediculous assertion like FOX NEWS. Just understand where you err'd and attempt to absorb the wonderful gift of knowledge that I have bestowed upon you. Now that we have made it clear that Amarr is Europe and Minmatar is every non-european culture they've subdued and subsequently lost influence over. What are the other two EVE races truly representative of? I think this makes Gallente the ancient Chinese and Caldari Japan.
Darkside007	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:51:00 - [126] Man, a few officers from Target's external security division attempted to hijack my stuff today, luckily I'm a member of Wal-Mart Alliance and held them off long enough for reinforcements. ...Or the Caldari State is what European socialists imagine a "capitalist" society would look like, not what an actual capitalist state really is. (See USA, 19th century)
Astenion Gallente Spiritus Draconis	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:53:00 - [127] Edited by: Astenion on 21/07/2011 23:54:04 Effing lawl at all you idiots thinking that American corporations run the government, yet somehow European governments are bereft of said corporate interference. Do you even live in either Europe or the US? I'm thinking not because if you did, you wouldn't make such blatantly ******ed comments.
Negentig Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:54:00 - [128] Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Originally by: Negentig Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35 We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Im sorry, have you ever even been outside the U.S.? What planet do you live on? Do you even have a passport? Get out and see the sunshine, don't believe what FOXnews tells you... I'm a diplomat for the Obama administration. hmm, considering the rest of your post i find that hard to believe. Or you just call anyone that works for the state-department a 'diplomat'. The world is returning to its natural equilibrium, where Asia is the center of the world, like it was before the industrial revolution. This has nothing to do with miltary might, its the economic centre of gravity. American soldiers will do nothing if their dollars aren't worth anything, which is what will happen if the U.S. even thinks about using its military. The American war machine is only as strong as the American economy.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Emminent Terraforming O.G.-Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:57:00 - [129] Caldari are Japan/US. Megacorps are an asian thing in how they are viewed in culture. but here in the US our government is a division of the Mega Corps. just look at things like Copyright law here in the US is not about preservation of art and protecting the artist its about preservation of a mega corp's stock price.
Negentig Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:03:00 - [130] Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 21/07/2011 23:54:04 Effing lawl at all you idiots thinking that American corporations run the government, yet somehow European governments are bereft of said corporate interference. Do you even live in either Europe or the US? I'm thinking not because if you did, you wouldn't make such blatantly ****ed comments. true Originally by:** Negentig Large corporations in ANY country influence their government. If they can't do that they will often leave and find a country that is willing to offer better terms. Large corporations don't actually get taxed like a small business. They don't get audited... of course not. They negotiate with the government of their home-country about how much tax they will pay. States are competing with eachother for the tax from large companies. States will offer advantages like, but not limited to, tax cuts to attract and keep multinational companies to/in their country(This also goes for individual states in the U.S.A).

Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:09:00 - [131] Originally by: Negentig hmm, considering the rest of your post i find that hard to believe. Or you just call anyone that works for the state-department a 'diplomat'. The world is returning to its natural equilibrium, where Asia is the center of the world, like it was before the industrial revolution. This has nothing to do with miltary might, its the economic centre of gravity. American soldiers will do nothing if their dollars aren't worth anything, which is what will happen if the U.S. even thinks about using its military. The American war machine is only as strong as the American economy. I am shocked sir. Nowhere else on the great internet would anyone suppose that my position was not entirely solidified by the up-standing quality of my posting! Also, I don't think equilibrium means what you think it means. In other news, we've been skint as **** for decades and still managed to start all manner of international conflicts. What makes you think this american dollar theory holds any weight? German currency wasn't worth a damn during the 30's, but they still had a good deal of momentum going into the next decade.
Negentig Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:56:00 - [132] Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis I am shocked sir. Nowhere else on the great internet would anyone suppose that my position was not entirely solidified by the up-standing quality of my posting! Also, I don't think equilibrium means what you think it means. In other news, we've been skint as ** for decades and still managed to start all manner of international conflicts. What makes you think this american dollar theory holds any weight? German currency wasn't worth a damn during the 30's, but they still had a good deal of momentum going into the next decade. The American economy has been propped up by foreign investment from Asia, N-Europe and the Middle-East those last few decades(approx since 1973). During this period the U.S have started 'international conflicts' indeed, but had to make sure not to ** of China or any other major trading-partner too much. There has been no direct conflict between two 1st-rate powers since 1945, only proxy wars and 1st-rate powers attacking third-world countries. Also, economic isolation and being unable to buy resources on the international market(oil copper etc) was one of the main factors for the fall of the third Reich. And the global situation in 1939 and Germany's unique position as an (bankrupt)industrial powerhouse is hard to compare to a hypothetical American aggressor in todays globalized world/market.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:05:00 - [133] Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 22/07/2011 01:06:57 Originally by: Negentig The American economy has been propped up by foreign investment from Asia, N-Europe and the Middle-East those last few decades(approx since 1973). During this period the U.S have started 'international conflicts' indeed, but had to make sure not to **** of China or any other major trading-partner too much. There has been no direct conflict between two 1st-rate powers since 1945, only proxy wars and 1st-rate powers attacking third-world countries. Also, economic isolation and being unable to buy resources on the international market(oil copper etc) was one of the main factors for the fall of the third Reich. And the global situation in 1939 and Germany's unique position as an (bankrupt)industrial powerhouse is hard to compare to a hypothetical American aggressor in todays globalized world/market. I take it you are unaware of the foreign aid europe recieved. See: Marshall Plan. We essentially built your economies from the ground up post-ww2. So, if you'd like to talk about debts then you still owe us a great deal more than we presently owe China or any other of our forign under-writers. After all, you would not exist without our military and economic connections. You're also overlooking the fact that the so-called "super" powers essentially allow the existance of the first world. Without their foreign policies there would be no stopping the third world from rapidly escalating their own rise to economic and military might. It amuses me so many in the EU admonish our administration for taking a hard stance against militarization in the mid-east when the EU was a primary motivator in those policies. They practically begged us to take action in Iraq and more recently, Iran because it was your public interest to see such a close and imminent threat to first world political entities. So, the next time you want to talk about "today's global market," you should consider why there is a global market at all. It's becase we allowed it to proliferate and prevented localized third-world-driven conflicts from disrupting it's major players. A service we in Washington will continue to provide. You're welcome.
Kerenskyi Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:17:00 - [134] like a great man once said, death 2 america
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:19:00 - [135] Originally by: Kerenskyi like a great man once said That guy we shot in the face? Obama actually still smugs about that around the office, quite regularly.
Negentig Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:34:00 - [136] Do your research on the Marshall plan, consensus is that it was only a jump start for the European economies. Not the cause of the post-war 'wirtshaftwunder'. Furthermore the Marshall plan was designed to create a market for the consumerproducts American industry was producing at the time. It wasn't a filantropical program or anything. And I think most European baby-boomers are in fact 'grateful' fot this 'help' despite of this. About the gulfwars, the 1st time the world decided Quwait needed to be liberated. US couldn't wait to do it. Letting Bangladeshi soldiers do it would have been cheaper btw, this is what happens with most UN missions. Second gulfwar the 'world' did not ask the US to do anything. In fact thw world didn't really care. They didn't care about 911 nor about what would happen in the Middle-East. The world didn't support nor object to the invasion. Only GB under jesus-freak Blair joined the coalition of the willing and i maintain that the British electorate genuinely did not care about 911 and Iraq.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:45:00 - [137] Originally by: Negentig Do your research on the Marshall plan, consensus is that it was only a jump start for the European economies. Not the cause of the post-war 'wirtshaftwunder'. Furthermore the Marshall plan was designed to create a market for the consumerproducts American industry was producing at the time. It wasn't a filantropical program or anything. And I think most European baby-boomers are in fact 'grateful' fot this 'help' despite of this. About the gulfwars, the 1st time the world decided Quwait needed to be liberated. US couldn't wait to do it. Letting Bangladeshi soldiers do it would have been cheaper btw, this is what happens with most UN missions. It's NBD, really. You are seriously welcome. Also, you didn't care about Quwait. You had european forign interests (namely Oil - yes, America isn't the only country with oil companies :cough:) in the region that stood to be nationalized or destroyed by the Iraqi offensive. Thus you openly supported the US effort to push them back across the border. God help you if you're counting on the UN to do anything btw. Originally by: Negentig Second gulfwar the 'world' did not ask the US to do anything. In fact thw world didn't really care. They didn't care about 911 nor about what would happen in the Middle-East. The world didn't support nor object to the invasion. Only GB under jesus-freak Blair joined the coalition of the willing and i maintain that the British electorate genuinely did not care about 911 and Iraq. You're correct, the 'world,' did not. Europe did. In fact, you cried so hard recently about IRAN that we mobilized our elite hax squadrons to disrupt their nuclear program. British intelligence was also complicit in helping the late great Mr. Powell concoct his ~yellow cake~ presentation, wich we used as a handy justification for extending the conflict in Afghanistan to Iraq. However, you're sorely mistaken if you believe GB was alone in supporting this push. You might misconstrue the events of 9/11 as an attack on the US alone, but your leadership was intelligent enough to understand that it was an attack on the first world and they have been delighted to help us repress that third-world rabble in the years since. So, one more time, you're welcome.
Negentig Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:54:00 - [138] Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Originally by: Negentig Do your research on the Marshall plan, consensus is that it was only a jump start for the European economies. Not the cause of the post-war 'wirtshaftwunder'. Furthermore the Marshall plan was designed to create a market for the consumerproducts American industry was producing at the time. It wasn't a filantropical program or anything. And I think most European baby-boomers are in fact 'grateful' fot this 'help' despite of this. About the gulfwars, the 1st time the world decided Quwait needed to be liberated. US couldn't wait to do it. Letting Bangladeshi soldiers do it would have been cheaper btw, this is what happens with most UN missions. It's NBD, really. You are seriously welcome. Also, you didn't care about Quwait. You had european forign interests (namely Oil - yes, America isn't the only country with oil companies :cough:) in the region that stood to be nationalized or destroyed by the Iraqi offensive. Thus you openly supported the US effort to push them back across the border. God help you if you're counting on the UN to do anything btw. Originally by: Negentig Second gulfwar the 'world' did not ask the US to do anything. In fact thw world didn't really care. They didn't care about 911 nor about what would happen in the Middle-East. The world didn't support nor object to the invasion. Only GB under jesus-freak Blair joined the coalition of the willing and i maintain that the British electorate genuinely did not care about 911 and Iraq. You're correct, the 'world,' did not. Europe did. In fact, you cried so hard recently about IRAN that we mobilized our elite hax squadrons to disrupt their nuclear program. British intelligence was also complicit in helping the late great Mr. Powell concoct his ~yellow cake~ presentation, wich we used as a handy justification for extending the conflict in Afghanistan to Iraq. However, you're sorely mistaken if you believe GB was alone in supporting this push. You might misconstrue the events of 9/11 as an attack on the US alone, but your leadership was intelligent enough to understand that it was an attack on the first world and they have been delighted to help us repress that third-world rabble in the years since. So, one more time, you're welcome. Other than the whole obama/diplomat story i think you were being serious in your posts and raising some interesting points. Now you are just trolling...
MeBiatch	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:55:00 - [139] Originally by: Alisha Firesale This is true and what canada is intaki?
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 02:02:00 - [140] Originally by: Negentig Other than the whole obama/diplomat story i think you were being serious in your posts and raising some interesting points. Now you are just trolling... Sir, the Obama administration does not condone trolling in any way. I am quite dissapointed to hear of such and accusation, but in the spirit of kinship between our great ancestors I am willing to forgive you this transgression and continue to enlighten your mind. My point is thus: We are the first world. Wether or not any of my fellow liberals are willing to admit it, we have joined hands at the table of... what the hell is that peasant third-worlder doing here, get him OUT! Anyway, what I mean is that our destinies are intertwined. We live and breath this fresh, free, and decatent first-world air because it has been our collective goal to ensure that we have it and others do not. We cannot allow these petty squabbles to diminish the great feats of social engineering that we have accomplished over these last centuries! In the past it was europe who lead the way in opressing the poor and exploiting them for their resources. Now that America has taken up that torch, we are delighted to give our former masters an honorary, if not wholly deserved, seat at our table for first world happyness. So, let us toast now to another hundred years of being on top!

Syphon Lodian Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.22 02:04:00 - [141] Caldari, is without a doubt, what the US would look like once corporations took over, and completely dissolved all personal and nation sovereignty. It would also include other corporate states, like Japan, etc. But frankly, Asia would do it's own thing, and wouldn't be swallowed up in the same ideologies of western corporate fascism. Gallente is clearly French themed corrupt democracy. Valuing personal freedoms and aristocracy. It overshadows what Europe would become if the EU doesn't strangle everything to death. Also, one needn't look further than current events to see how easily even the liberty loving French go to war; See Libya, if you think the French don't start wars on loose grounds, like the Gallente do in the Caldari/Minmatar wars, then you're mistaken. Amarr, definitely fundamentalist and theocratic leftovers from any part of the world. Bits of populace from every country, in my opinion. Minmatar, the downtrodden of society, due to all the crap the above 3 dish out. The downtrodden turned superpower, decentralized, disorganized but unrelenting. Pushed back in time to a more primitive society because they've had no ground to stand on. This would be the makeup and people of all civilized third-world nations, as what we see today. Who do you think we're fighting wars against in 2011? ------------------------------------------------- Go pod yourself.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 02:06:00 - [142] Originally by: Syphon Lodian Who do you think we're fighting wars against in 2011? Twitter.
Faceless Assassin	Posted - 2011.07.22 02:20:00 - [143] Amarr = Middle E ast Minmatar = Africa
Maximus Lionhart Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.22 03:50:00 - [144] Caldari are most definitely Japanese. If you do their missions, there is a lot of talk about killing the incompetent ceo to save the company "face".
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:02:00 - [145] I know this is kind of general, but at what point is this NOT out of pod? Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:44:00 - [146] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon I know this is kind of general, but at what point is this NOT out of pod? I'm still in my pod. vOv
Tarryn Nightstorm Minmatar Hellstar Towing and Recovery	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:09:00 - [147] Originally by: CptConorado I prefer to think us Americans are more akin to the Amarr. We share their blind jingoistic nationalism and we still own slaves who are slaves in all but name. EDIT: Plus we are the only country on Earth to be dumb enough to use lasers. Just sayin. Fixed that for ya, mate, bolded for clarity. I think Minmatar = a mix of a more dystopian Canada + post-Apartheid South Africa, but that's just me.
Tarryn Nightstorm Minmatar Hellstar Towing and Recovery	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:12:00 - [148] Originally by: CptConorado Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, That's what I love about America, is even people that have no ****ing clue whatsoever are allowed to say anything they want. It is the American Dream, and we are living it. "The reason they call it 'the american dream' is because you have to be asleep to believe in it." (George Carlin) Truer words, maing, truer words...
Antarra Starwind	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:19:00 - [149] Originally by: LordOfDespair US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran. Yet.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:19:00 - [150] Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm "The reason they call it 'the american dream' is because you have to be asleep to believe in it." (George Carlin) Truer words, maing, truer words... Counterpoint: We created Gorge Carlin.



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