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Alisha Firesale
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:51:00 -
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This is true
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Vozch Fischtauder
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:55:00 -
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why?
I believe its the other way around.
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:55:00 -
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Well according the the backstory Gallente are French. However, the Gallente emblem looks a lot like the Romanov family crest.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:55:00 -
[4]
Nah.
Caldari = space Italians.
Gallente = space French.
This also explains the close relationship and extended animosity between the two. 
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ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:57:00 -
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Considering that many European countries are still monarchies; including Spain and the UK, I highly doubt one could consider the Gallente Federation to represent Europe.
1/10
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Alisha Firesale
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:57:00 -
[6]
 Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder
why?
I believe its the other way around.
America is completely run by corporation
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:58:00 -
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You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process.
Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years.
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Atra Hasis on 20/07/2011 20:59:30
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder
why?
I believe its the other way around.
America is completely run by corporation
Not entirely true, American policy is heavily influenced by corporate needs, not run by them.
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:01:00 -
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I always got the impression that the Caldari megacorps were more based on Japanese businesses, especially with the duty that they (theoretically) have to the state as well as their own profits. Gallente seem more like 'the West' in general, with Europe style ultra-liberalism, US style democracy-or-else and the massive corruption of both.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Atra Hasis
Not entirely true, American policy is heavily influenced by corporate needs, not run by them.
àspeaking of which, I wonder if we'll ever see anything along the lines of the Pueblo Corporate Council in Shadowrun.
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ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:03:00 -
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/rehash
Slade
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Sepyuff
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:03:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
This is true
Wait, so you are saying that America is for lazy people and Europe likes *****es and giant heads?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Atra Hasis
Considering that many European countries are still monarchies; including Spain and the UK, I highly doubt one could consider the Gallente Federation to represent Europe.
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Because Britain doesn't elect its government
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Petrus Blackshell
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xervish Krin
I always got the impression that the Caldari megacorps were more based on Japanese businesses, especially with the duty that they (theoretically) have to the state as well as their own profits. Gallente seem more like 'the West' in general, with Europe style ultra-liberalism, US style democracy-or-else and the massive corruption of both.
^^ this.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:06:00 -
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Amarr = U.S./Iran (theocracy)
Caldari = Japan/Korea (megacorporations: google zaibatsu and chaebol)
Gallente = France/Northern Europe (corrupt bureaucratic democracy)
Minmatar = Liberia (freed slaves driving crappy stuff)
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Atra Hasis
Considering that many European countries are still monarchies; including Spain and the UK, I highly doubt one could consider the Gallente Federation to represent Europe.
1/10
Because Britain doesn't elect its government
Not saying it's not democratic, but there is still a queen, and probably very soon a new king.
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Alisha Firesale
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:14:00 -
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FORGET ****TY BACK STORIES OF THE EMPIRES
Im looking at the way the empires are run. I should have said European Union = Gallente. USA = Caldari because they are run by corporations.
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manbeef largeyems
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Atra Hasis
Edited by: Atra Hasis on 20/07/2011 20:59:30
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder
why?
I believe its the other way around.
America is completely run by corporation
Not entirely true, American policy is heavily influenced by corporate needs, not run by them.
Lol you cant be a US citizen. Corporations run the government
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Cedar Locus
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process.
Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years.
whatcha talking bout willis
look at caldari, they are capitalist warmongering scum. by the way i forgot dumb and fat
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Sepyuff
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alisha Firesale
FORGET ****TY BACK STORIES OF THE EMPIRES
Im looking at the way the empires are run. I should have said European Union = Gallente. USA = Caldari because they are run by corporations.
Wait, you are saying the EU isn't run by corporations? IMF would like to have a word with you.
The IMF practically owns Greece and more are falling prey to them.
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Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:18:00 -
[21]
In before thread shutdown! 
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Call Me Death
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:20:00 -
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In before Miilla pees on the thread.
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Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:22:00 -
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All wrong,
Gallente are the Gauls/Celts
Caldari, the Axis Powers
Amarr, the Ottoman Turkish Caliphate.
Minmatar, not sure
The Jove the Roman Empire
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Cedar Locus
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:22:00 -
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caldari = the evil west
gallente = libtards
ammarr = westboro church/jesus camp
minmatar = freedom fighters
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Atra Hasis
Not saying it's not democratic, but there is still a queen, and probably very soon a new king.
You do relise its a largely ceremonial role right?
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Sepyuff
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cedar Locus
minmatar = freedom fighters
Freedom Fighters? Oh, you mean terrorists.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sepyuff
Wait, you are saying the EU isn't run by corporations? IMF would like to have a word with you.
The IMF practically owns Greece and more are falling prey to them.
If you mean the IMF is a corporate institution you are mistaken. BTW China(+ N-Europe) owns the U.S. following your line of thought..... Also, capitalism thrives in theocracies, democracies etc. has nothing to do with the kind of government.
Amarr = U.S./Iran (theocracy)
Caldari = Japan/Korea (megacorporations: google zaibatsu and chaebol)
Gallente = France/Northern Europe (corrupt bureaucratic democracy)
Minmatar = Liberia (freed slaves driving crappy stuff)
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alisha Firesale
FORGET ****TY BACK STORIES OF THE EMPIRES
Im looking at the way the empires are run. I should have said European Union = Gallente. USA = Caldari because they are run by corporations.
But the Caldari/Japanese corporations behave totally differently from American ones, the just share the name 'corporation'.
In Japan, to use an example I vaguely remember, the government suggests 'we need to cut down on producing x and focus on y', and the corporations do it. They feel a duty to the good of the country and its people. By contrast, a Gallente/American corporation acts along the lines of 'we're going into the x market so it'd be good if you could give us a tax break and contract, but feel free to raise taxes on y to screw our competitors'.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:49:00 -
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Yeah
Japan = caldari (even china but not really)
The "west"= Gallente
The Amarr > any of them.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.07.20 21:50:00 -
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Minmatar are Cubans.
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CptConorado
Amarr
Vengeance Imperium
The Remnant Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: CptConorado on 20/07/2011 22:04:18
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process.
Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years.
I prefer to think us Americans are more akin to the Amarr. We share their zealous patriotism and we use to own slaves.
EDIT: Plus we are the only country on Earth to be Badass enough to use lasers. Just sayin.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:05:00 -
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Quote:
but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you,
That's what I love about America, is even people that have no ****ing clue whatsoever are allowed to say anything they want.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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CptConorado
Amarr
Vengeance Imperium
The Remnant Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you,
That's what I love about America, is even people that have no ****ing clue whatsoever are allowed to say anything they want.
It is the American Dream, and we are living it.
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Alisha Firesale
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:24:00 -
[34]
Originally by: CptConorado
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you,
That's what I love about America, is even people that have no ****ing clue whatsoever are allowed to say anything they want.
It is the American Dream, and we are living it.
Shame its only just a dream. You can say wtf you want in Western European countries aswell
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:26:00 -
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The nice thing about the races is that they're all a bit mixed up from what we know today, but do contain echoes of everything in different ways. I've always thought it's very "realistic" in terms of representing cultural drift over many centuries.
Amarr = America, mainly WASPs, but oriented around another religion than Christianity. They also have vague echoes of Asian and Middle Eastern racial elements, and of Islamic religion. They oppress:
Minmatar, whose oppression by the Amarr echoes the older forms of oppression of Black people in the US; but the Minmatar tribes also include pure Nordic peoples too (this is ironic).
Caldari = State (or "crony") capitalism (as exists in the West generally at present) and the Zaibatsu mentality (as it exists in Japan), but also any form of nationalism. Mixed Italian and Japanese ancestry, sort of.
Gallente is of course French-ish, echoing the French as the first liberal revolutionaries of the 18th century. They represent a more "cowboy" version of capitalism (more like early America) but also a more contemporary European style democracy. Some Chinese and Indian subcontinent elements.
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Sekhmet Neteret
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:29:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Barakkus
Minmatar are Cubans.
You sure not space mexicans?
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 20/07/2011 22:38:15
Originally by: Sekhmet Neteret
Originally by: Barakkus
Minmatar are Cubans.
You sure not space mexicans?
Why are Minms run by oligarchs and Vicious cartels?
Truthfully im not seeing many parallels with modern societies. Sure their are elements, but you look close enough you'd be able find a bit of all of them in any society.
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.07.20 22:55:00 -
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Amarr = Amarr
Gallente = Gallente
Caldari = Caldari
Minmatar = Minmatar
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LordOfDespair
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:01:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Negentig
Originally by: Sepyuff
Wait, you are saying the EU isn't run by corporations? IMF would like to have a word with you.
The IMF practically owns Greece and more are falling prey to them.
If you mean the IMF is a corporate institution you are mistaken. BTW China(+ N-Europe) owns the U.S. following your line of thought..... Also, capitalism thrives in theocracies, democracies etc. has nothing to do with the kind of government.
Amarr = U.S./Iran (theocracy)
Caldari = Japan/Korea (megacorporations: google zaibatsu and chaebol)
Gallente = France/Northern Europe (corrupt bureaucratic democracy)
Minmatar = Liberia (freed slaves driving crappy stuff)
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US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
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Raven Aldura
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:03:00 -
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I feel like the u.s. Has way too many factions that hate each other for some of these descriptions to be right. Like democrats = galentie and republicans = amarr at face value but really we are all Caldari. Actually I guess that does work lol.
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Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:04:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Amarr = Amarr
Gallente = Gallente
Caldari = Caldari
Minmatar = Minmatar
Thank you.
Comparing the fluff of this game to real life politics, economics, or theology is pretty damn ******ed.
A militaristic, fascist, authoritarian government with a state of collectivists, corporatists, and serfs is "Hyper-Capitalistic" because..? Because they call their enclaves Corporations? Does... not... compute...
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:04:00 -
[42]
Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
You both have religious nutters.
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Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
You both have religious nutters.
You used the word "nutters", so I'm gonna assume you're British, or some other Commonwealth citizen. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. You live in a Theocracy. The U.S. neither has a state religion nor is government by it or it's representative.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
You both have religious nutters.
You used the word "nutters", so I'm gonna assume you're British, or some other Commonwealth citizen. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. You live in a Theocracy. The U.S. neither has a state religion nor is government by it or it's representative.
But you do have religious nutters
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Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
You both have religious nutters.
You used the word "nutters", so I'm gonna assume you're British, or some other Commonwealth citizen. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. You live in a Theocracy. The U.S. neither has a state religion nor is government by it or it's representative.
But you do have religious nutters
Well, yes.
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LordOfDespair
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:15:00 -
[46]
Edited by: LordOfDespair on 20/07/2011 23:16:06
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
You both have religious nutters.
Iran is run by religious nutters.
US has separation of church and state.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.07.20 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 20/07/2011 23:40:06
Originally by: Sekhmet Neteret
Originally by: Barakkus
Minmatar are Cubans.
You sure not space mexicans?
Who knows...I'm a space Mexican irl...
Well I should clarify, my father was a space Mexican, my mother is a space Ukranian...
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.21 00:16:00 -
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America is more like Amarr than Caldari - tons of religious nuts over here and a desire to control everything.
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Firh
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Posted - 2011.07.21 00:17:00 -
[49]
Gallente: French
Caldari: Russian
Amarr: American
Minmatar: Jamaican
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Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.07.21 00:22:00 -
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Gallente = liberal Progressives
Amarr = Neo Conservatives
Cladari = Capitalist purists
Mimatar = Ever disenfranchised or abused minority that was a victim of the amarr
There? happy?
Gallente/Mimatar are the the good guys
Caldari just want money
amarr are evil space republicans.
"Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.21 00:35:00 -
[51]
Caldari = USA
Gallente = French
Amarr = USSR (now Russia)
Minmatar = Africa and Latin America
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.07.21 00:40:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 21/07/2011 00:40:19
How did this get to page 2 without being moved to OOPE?
Maybe CCP is on holiday today? Whoohooo! FOOOD FIIIIIGHT!!!!!
Rick Roll, anyone?
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.21 00:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Xenuria
Gallente/Mimatar are the the good guys
àI don't know if I'd call the Gallente good guys ù they've shown to be quite into genocide and oppression of dissident thinkers, after all.
ùùù
ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2011.07.21 00:53:00 -
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Gallente = French, that's the only secure link (it is mentioned in the storyline that Gallente derive from tau ceti french). From this known link we can find the other races. The arch enemy of France is not USA. It is Germany, there were always a lot of wars between Germany and France in history (not only WWI and WWII). Especially the **** Germany has a lot of parallels (Dictatorship, think they are racially superior, which is mentioned in the Caldari background history etc.).
Minmatars are often of black skin and were enslaved by the Amarr. Maybe this refers to Africans, who are black and were enslaved by Americans in the past. And Americans are very religious, this matches as well.
So my theory is: Gallente = French; Caldari = German (**** Germany, not the Germany of today); Minmatar = Africa of 19th Century; AMaRr = AMeRicans
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:00:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Negentig on 21/07/2011 01:02:57
Tengu is Japanese.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:01:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Amarr = Amarr
Gallente = Gallente
Caldari = Caldari
Minmatar = Minmatar
Thank you.
Comparing the fluff of this game to real life politics, economics, or theology is pretty damn ******ed.
Actually, it's what makes Eve real and human. Besides, humans are slaves to pattern and parallel, we see it in everything.
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:02:00 -
[57]
Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o
So my theory is: Gallente = French; Caldari = German (**** Germany, not the Germany of today); Minmatar = Africa of 19th Century; AMaRr = AMeRicans
I still maintain that the Caldari are space Italians (c.a. 1922û'45) due to the close connection to but historical animosity towards the space-French, and due to their close connection to the space-Catholics.
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ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:09:00 -
[58]
So how about the Jove?
It is really silly to try to fit ANY a fictional country into a country in real world.
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Eduj Bestlie
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:11:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Eduj Bestlie on 21/07/2011 01:14:47
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Shame its only just a dream. You can say wtf you want in Western European countries aswell
Germany isn't western europe? Cause a few uh, touchy subjects, are quite verboten.
Also GB restricted footage use of the royal wedding against the use of satire/parody.
France banned some religious perifinela in public, which is covered as free speech in many countries. (Head scarves, crucifix necklace, yamulke, etc.)
So.. about that free speech you all have...
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Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:15:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kogh Ayon
So how about the Jove?
Space cats. They could pwn us all if they could just be bothered. In the mean-time, you'd better feed them and scratch them behind the ear while they lounge aroundà
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ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:24:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Kogh Ayon
So how about the Jove?
Space cats. They could pwn us all if they could just be bothered. In the mean-time, you'd better feed them and scratch them behind the ear while they lounge aroundà
Now THAT is the most accurate comparison I've seen all thread long.
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Nth Ares
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:25:00 -
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Even including the Gallente, none of the four Empires correspond directly with any one Earth culture. Terrans had spend hundreds, if not thousands of years colonizing and mixing in the Milky Way before New Eden was even discovered. The legends and languages and genes had already been mixed to the point that 21st century nationalities and races no longer existed. The societies of New Eden each evolved in isolation over thousands of years, climbing back from a pre-industrial dark age.
Societal elements of the Empires may seem familiar to us, but they are all re-creations, re-discoveries with no solid connection to their Terran past. As for the Gallente and the French, that still would only apply to Gallente Prime; the Federation is composed of many bloodlines and cultures from many planets, all of whom developed in isolation. Even democracy did not survive there - the Gallente timeline shows an extended period of monarchy.
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.21 01:28:00 -
[63]
Think its Gallente = American I'd say Amarr more closely resembles medievil Europe as for Caldari I have no idea.
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.07.21 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Uuali on 21/07/2011 03:10:31
Caldari are so obviously American with the militant, mega-corp culture. The camoflage with the glorified warehouse/trailer chic designed ships. I'm proud of that by the way, if only because other people slam it.
And then there are the Achura which are obviously modern Japanese with their American inspired business culture.
Gallente are defined by the backstory as libertine French. Likewise, Amarr are Roman Catholic culture run amok. Minmatar are black/jew/latino/irish oppressed peoples throughout time.
The asian subcultures are formerly French owned Vietnam et al and Mongolian peoples (seriously look up pics and compare to the original portait art) respectively.
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Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2011.07.21 03:14:00 -
[65]
The Gallente strikes me as being a mirror of present-day American politics following the patriot act. They've enjoyed freedom, and they want to keep their freedoms, but they don't know how to defend them, and in their haste to try to defend them, they've essentially lost their freedoms in the process.
The Amarr empire is something of Europe. Putting aside the religious overtures, at it's heart it's a powerful empire that been paralyzed by it's own political game and can't address the problems before it.
The minmatar, on the other hand, are essentially much of Africa. A people disrupted from external forces before they really developed on their own, revolted and now are mostly free. Yet they find themselves torn between their traditional cultures, which are poorly adapted for their modern world, and the modern world that they've spent so much time in. This gridlock has lead to an almost completely corrupted government.
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Shigeru Potatomoto
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Posted - 2011.07.21 03:15:00 -
[66]
Caldari are America because everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff.
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Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.21 03:36:00 -
[67]
Is it because we americans have large torps?
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.21 04:06:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto
everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff.
That would be Germany, not the U.S.
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Cidmure Stanson
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Posted - 2011.07.21 04:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto
Caldari are America because everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff.
There's actually a direct correlation to that, many countries use American military machines and equipment. If America does one thing right, it produces some of the best devices to kill each other.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 04:13:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Cidmure Stanson
to kill each other.
Civil war burn? Or just poorly worded?
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Dreya Renthold
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Posted - 2011.07.21 04:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process.
Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years.
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder
why?
I believe its the other way around.
America is completely run by corporation
Both of these statments are true.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 04:56:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 04:56:48
Originally by: Dreya Renthold
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process.
Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years.
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder
why?
I believe its the other way around.
America is completely run by corporation
Both of these statments are true.
Confirming that ****** ******* was doing something with freedom and democracy we don't like.
But yeah, we're run by corporations like the rest of the world. Welcome to the 21st century.
Edit: lol his name is censored, :ccp:
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Strifer Sinwulf
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Posted - 2011.07.21 04:56:00 -
[73]
Ok, first off the Caldari are most definitely Japan/Korea if we are gonna make comparisons. To begin with Asian lifestyle is much more strict and way more work intensive which is way more related to the Caldari than the non strict lifestyle of America where people do and say whatever they want. In Asia they live by honor and code and have the highest suicide rates in the world by far. Let me me quote a piece of the overview of the Caldari race, "But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile." American life is anything but strict and disciplined unless you are in the military. This corresponds perfectly with Asian countries including the family status.
Not to mention all the oriental words in the Caldari corporations and navy.
Tengu actually means "heavenly dogs" in Japanese
Kitsune - Japanese word for Fox
Gallente I believe we can be pretty confident about Europe and especially French. Many of their ships are named after European gods. Phobos, Kronos, Ares, Deimos, Helios and ect.
The Amarr is most definitely a tough one. I am more or so leaning towards America just because of size and how they stick their noses in everything. Not to mention one of the last modern countries to abolish slavery. If we do a little simple math we can see an even stronger correlation. The current date of Eve we are in is 23341 AD the Minmatars rebel and escape slavery in 23216. That means the Minmatars have been freed for about 125 years. If we look into American history Eve online launched in 2003, slavery was abolished in 1865 roughly 138 years. Pretty close if you ask me, I believe its more than a coincidence but possibly not.
Finally we have the Minmatar which screams Africa to me, skin color is much darker, and not to mention its a tribal race much like Africa and many of their people were inslaved.
To say its wrong to compare these in game races to real life I believe is a mistake as I'm sure there are many more interesting similarities. But hey I could be mistaken.
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Henrica Gaufridus
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Posted - 2011.07.21 06:00:00 -
[74]
Amarr - You can pretty much put any religious empire in here. I'd say Byzantium or the Ottoman Empire, but really you can throw any number of religious empires in there. Despite the fact that the US had slavery most recently, so did most of Europe at one point or another. Comparing the Amarr to the United States doesn't quite work.
Gallente - French and/or American. Not because the Gallente are "French" in origin, but because they originally valued individual liberty and whatnot. The "rugged individual", so to speak. Now they're big on "spreading freedom", something the US is big on.
Caldari - Any number of corporatist states could fit this. The British Empire, contemporary China (where the sole motivation is now profit), Fascist Italy, Japan, etc. I think it more resembles the industrialized East.
Minmatar - This could be any number of former colonial states such as almost ANY country in Africa, the Middle East, even India/Pakistan, where they were freed from imperial rule and (in some cases) bit their previous "masters" in the arse.
There's no way to neatly shove all of them into categories, however, especially in contemporary terms. How about we just consider the Amarr to be "Amarr"?
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Rune Star
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Posted - 2011.07.21 06:24:00 -
[75]
When comparing the EU to the US, you have to remember the US has states bigger than European countries. The US is playing at a completely different level. So it's beyond compare.
It's apples to oranges, you're just wasting your time.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.07.21 06:28:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 21/07/2011 06:35:52
Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
You both have religious nutters.
You used the word "nutters", so I'm gonna assume you're British, or some other Commonwealth citizen. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. You live in a Theocracy. The U.S. neither has a state religion nor is government by it or it's representative.
No US president can be elected if he DOES NOT speak of GOD in some way or another. No presidential speach goes without mentioning GOD.
Good luck getting into politics in the US without referring to GOD in some way or another. The US independant from religion? Thats a good one.
The contrast is Europe. No politician would mention GOD in any of his speeches because he feels it necessary to get elected, nor refer to GOD as possible reason to do something (like Bush did during the WAR?).
The US is the last western country where politics is as close with religion as it gets for a so called "secular state".
P.S. watch the movie "religolous", you have politicians that take the bible LITERALLY and can still get elected. Try that in Europe...lol
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.21 06:29:00 -
[77]
America has more in common with Amarr, Theocratic government influenced by corporations and with leader chosen by electoral college.
Caldari has no real world comparison, at least not yet thank Goddess. Is heading in that direction though with corporations hi-jacking an increasing amount of social responsibilities.
Gallente can be any number of states. Wanna-be democracy .. closest is probably Berlusconi's Italy; deified leader, populist propaganda and highly corrupt.
Minmatar can be any number of states. Straight up dictatorship .. closest is probably North Korea; deified leader, technologically backwards and majority living hand-to-mouth.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.07.21 06:35:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 21/07/2011 06:35:18
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.21 06:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
You both have religious nutters.
You used the word "nutters", so I'm gonna assume you're British, or some other Commonwealth citizen. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. You live in a Theocracy. The U.S. neither has a state religion nor is government by it or it's representative.
Don't you know anything, the Queen is one of the Lizard People, the UK is a Xenocracy.
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Baenus
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Posted - 2011.07.21 07:16:00 -
[80]
One of my previous toons was in the ISD waaaaaay back in the day, I can confirm what they told us.
Amarrians= america. slavery refrences, religeous nut refrence, ship designs all have the bird like beak designed for the bald eagle, and the star shaped torture thing
Gallente= french. nuff said
Caldari are Sino-asian with heavy japanese influence
Minmatar are pretty much every other 3rd world country rolled into one and, oddly enough, nordic influences
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Holy One
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.21 07:22:00 -
[81]
Hehe it's not that the Gallente ideology wasn't intended to represent them, rather that most Americans identify with fascist ideology more readily than 'socialist' liberalism. USA and China are the only fascist mega powers really. Says a lot for totalitarianism. Just goes to show that you can paint a wafer thin veneer of democracy over balls-deep capitalism and come good in time ..
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 07:33:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 07:33:46
Minmatar = America. New kings of pvp.
Gallente = Europe. Old kings of pvp, now a total joke at it.
Caldari = Asia. Once they sucked at pvp, now they can blob and dominate anyone they want.
Amarr = Religious fanatics the world over. Always dangerous in large numbers and they're nearly impossible to eradicate.
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Shadowsword
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.21 08:34:00 -
[83]
Originally by: LordOfDespair
Edited by: LordOfDespair on 20/07/2011 23:16:06
You both have religious nutters.
Iran is run by religious nutters.
US has separation of church and state.
Infortunately, this separation isn't as complete as it should be in a real democracy. Religious activity is still a major point in your elections, to the point that some of your nuts will choose one candidate only because he is more fervent than the other. You have bibles as a standard in your hotel rooms. Some of your high bureaucratic functions require the chosen guy to swear with a hand on the bible. And so on... I mean, as matters currently stand, can you imagine an atheist as the US president anytime soon?
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Strifer Sinwulf
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Posted - 2011.07.21 08:47:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Strifer Sinwulf on 21/07/2011 08:57:01
Originally by: Rune Star
When comparing the EU to the US, you have to remember the US has states bigger than European countries. The US is playing at a completely different level. So it's beyond compare.
It's apples to oranges, you're just wasting your time.
The US playing at a different level than the EU? Way to just spew out such a uninformed perspective so certainly. The EU had a higher GDP than the US did in 2010. Not to mention the population of the EU is around 500mil and the US only 300mil. Sure the US does have more "space" or land lol. But to claim its on a different level? Think its quite comparable
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Tun Wehsac
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:04:00 -
[85]
Dont be childish. There is no way single countries or even unions from earth could last over 20000 years. There would be offsprings from every nation in every race of eve. Ive read references to gallente and france, but seriously would france alone be potential? Not the france i know. Then again referring caldari and usa or china. Capitalism is growing all over the world, not in just two countries. Africa- minmatar, this is just dull. Simply weakness and possible war losing that leads into vassalisation might be reason to slavery. Not color of their skin. Amarr, well religious fanatics are all over our planet and reasoning terrible acts with god is something older than everything i mentioned above.. They just happened to unite under one god in eve, instead of having thousands. And when you really want reason or make sense of it, think of usa. Its good example of colonized melting oven with members from every corner of earth. And thats only couple hundred years old "civilization". Multiply that with age of new eden and grow some perspective. I dont see its possible or even necessary to compare eve races, only their idealistic feautres are different. To sum it up: there are no pure races in eve online.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:07:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Also, if population is your win win winning metric: we're both well below India. I'll be willing to bet no BRIT is going to agree that they are subservient in any way, shape, or form to the people they spent the better part of some centuries exploiting, deforming, and opressing.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:12:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Also, if population is your win win winning metric: we're both well below India. I'll be willing to bet no BRIT is going to agree that they are subservient in any way, shape, or form to the people they spent the better part of some centuries exploiting, deforming, and opressing.
Both the USA and the EU have a long way to go to beat Britain back in the days of glory.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:14:00 -
[88]
Originally by: baltec1
Both the USA and the EU have a long way to go to beat Britain back in the days of glory.
Not fair imo, you guys ruined all the brown-people before we ever got started taking them over. Now we have to treat them with ~dignity and respect~. 
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Scorpii Zenith
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:15:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
This is true
LOL Amarr is the USA. China is Caldari.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:17:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Scorpii Zenith
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
This is true
LOL Amarr is the USA. China is Caldari.
I'm glad we're on their side in the future. 
Sucks to be you guys.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:18:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Not fair imo, you guys ruined all the brown-people before we ever got started taking them over. Now we have to treat them with ~dignity and respect~.
We also get to have the word Great in our countries name
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:18:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Scorpii Zenith
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
This is true
LOL Amarr is the USA. China is Caldari.
Logical fallacy. If China is Caldari then USA is Minmatar... or will soon be.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:23:00 -
[93]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Not fair imo, you guys ruined all the brown-people before we ever got started taking them over. Now we have to treat them with ~dignity and respect~.
We also get to have the word Great in our countries name
I'm actually jelous of this.
Originally by: Kehro Urgus
Originally by: Scorpii Zenith
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
This is true
LOL Amarr is the USA. China is Caldari.
Logical fallacy. If China is Caldari then USA is Minmatar... or will soon be.
I don't get it.
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:26:00 -
[94]
Nvm I'm tired and misread.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:27:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Kehro Urgus
Nvm I'm tired and misread.
:negativeman:
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Winters Chill
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:30:00 -
[96]
Not everything is an analogy for something in real life. Grow an imagination :P
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Golden Goose 4CCP
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:30:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Atra Hasis
Considering that many European countries are still monarchies
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Shadowsword
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:31:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Also, if population is your win win winning metric: we're both well below India...
If you want to play the superiority game (which I find childish), the only real metric is the standard of living. And when you compare things like mobile phone coverage, internet subscription cost and transfer rates, power grid reliability or television channels, you'll find out that the US and EU are basically equals.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:35:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:35:34
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Also, if population is your win win winning metric: we're both well below India...
If you want to play the superiority game (which I find childish), the only real metric is the standard of living. And when you compare things like mobile phone coverage, internet subscription cost and transfer rates, power grid reliability or television channels, you'll find out that the US and EU are basically equals.
And that makes us both inferior to South Korea.
For some reason I don't have a problem with that.
Come to think of it, SK should take over the world so starcraft can be an olympic sport.
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Coffee Shopper
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:44:00 -
[100]
I will play the final card in this game: ACE  |
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:45:00 -
[101]
Leave ev0ke out of this.
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:46:00 -
[102]
Only a matter of time until someone posts this
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:53:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Kehro Urgus
Only a matter of time until someone posts this
UK: 28.70
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 09:53:00 -
[104]
Guess it's time to hellpurge all of our asians and bring those numbers up.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.07.21 11:23:00 -
[105]
OP, you are wrong.
Everybody, his dog and his grandma knows that CCP hates Gallente (see Drones, Droneboats, Blasters and Rails). Why should they hate themselves as the are European (at least a bit).
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.21 13:13:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw).
Im sorry, have you ever even been outside the U.S.? What planet do you live on? Do you even have a passport? Get out and see the sunshine, don't believe what FOXnews tells you...
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djenghis jan
Amarr
Debiloff
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Posted - 2011.07.21 13:57:00 -
[107]
As an Amarrian i object to the notion of being a descendent from ape creatures US, EU or whatever. I am created by God and his character creator!
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Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.07.21 15:04:00 -
[108]
Originally by: djenghis jan
As an Amarrian i object to the notion of being a descendent from ape creatures US, EU or whatever. I am created by God and his character creator!
Amen brother.. these infidels and their folklore from the dark ages
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Tiina Turmiola
Minmatar
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.21 15:05:00 -
[109]
U.S. people are not an ethnic group or even culture you could really isolate. Everyone except american indians were brought from elsewhere and european industrial/religious culture seems pretty dominant to outside, especially when taken into extremes there pretty often.
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Shizu Eisenkreuz
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Posted - 2011.07.21 15:09:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
If you want to play the superiority game (which I find childish), the only real metric is the standard of living. And when you compare things like mobile phone coverage, internet subscription cost and transfer rates, power grid reliability or television channels, you'll find out that the US and EU are basically equals.
O yeah, stuff like the coverage of your iPhone, your ping while playing battlefield 3 or the quantity of different garbage shows you can pick from on your TV are decisive factors in these "superiority games".
I mean, why considering minor details education, HEALTH CARE, life expentancy, average IQ
I mean, what's to worry about when you get better healthcare in Morocco or Chile than in the US?
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Mr Jebidea
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Posted - 2011.07.21 17:12:00 -
[111]
Originally by: manbeef largeyems
Originally by: Atra Hasis
Edited by: Atra Hasis on 20/07/2011 20:59:30
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder
why?
I believe its the other way around.
America is completely run by corporation
Not entirely true, American policy is heavily influenced by corporate needs, not run by them.
I live in San Diego, California. You are thoroughly misguided. The United States is not RUN by corporations. Corporations only influence the government when they need corporate welfare or when they need to beat some foreign competition down. Business in America is not fixing prices of things, or stealing most of your money to feed useless social welfare programs like Medicare/Social Security, nor is "Big Business" responsible for things such as the War on Drugs. Never forget that in America business is your friend, the Government are the people you should worry about.
Lol you cant be a US citizen. Corporations run the government
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Scortched Merc
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Posted - 2011.07.21 17:19:00 -
[112]
OMG... Stupidest thread ever!
Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Anyone can shoot themselves in the foot, or the ass, but in this case CCP managed to do both with one shot, which takes real skill.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.07.21 17:22:00 -
[113]
Surprised this thread is still going on.
It serves no purpose as trying to make these types of connections will cause issues.
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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.21 19:17:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Negentig
Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto
everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff.
That would be Germany, not the U.S.
Nah that would be USA really. Nobody hates germans anymore. Actually there are some very good amateur **** vids from their ladies around. I wonder what ****** would say about them.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.21 19:21:00 -
[115]
Large corporations in ANY country influence their government. If they can't do that they will often leave and find a country that is willing to offer better terms.
Large corporations don't actually get taxed like a small business. They don't get audited... of course not. They negotiate with the government of their home-country about how much tax they will pay. States are competing with eachother for the tax from large companies. States will offer advantages like, but not limited to, tax cuts to attract and keep multinational companies to/in their country(This also goes for individual states in the U.S.A).
The problem in American politics is NOT the influence of large companies, you will depend on them to ease the transition that is about to happen. The problem is the fact that the intellectual elite of your country is Atheist/Agnostic(like in any civilised country, yes also China),but the political elite is christian or has to lie about being christian. The result is that politicians in the U.S. are either not the smartest people your society has to offer(they are not believers) or just the smart ones that are lying bastards(and cowards btw). So stupid or untruthful, not exactly the people you want running your government.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.21 19:31:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Maverick2011
Originally by: Negentig
Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto
everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff.
That would be Germany, not the U.S.
Nah that would be USA really. Nobody hates germans anymore. Actually there are some very good amateur **** vids from their ladies around. I wonder what ****** would say about them.
Tell me, what is made in the U.S. that people outside the U.S. want to buy? Cars? Electronics? Looking around my house I don''t see anything made in the U.S. really. Except for some books by American authors.
Lots of German stuff though and by choice, not neccesity. They just make stuff that people WANT to buy.
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Lord Ryan
ASPIRE Commandos
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Posted - 2011.07.21 20:40:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Negentig
Originally by: Maverick2011
Originally by: Negentig
Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto
everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff.
That would be Germany, not the U.S.
Nah that would be USA really. Nobody hates germans anymore. Actually there are some very good amateur **** vids from their ladies around. I wonder what ****** would say about them.
Tell me, what is made in the U.S. that people outside the U.S. want to buy? Cars? Electronics? Looking around my house I don''t see anything made in the U.S. really. Except for some books by American authors.
Lots of German stuff though and by choice, not neccesity. They just make stuff that people WANT to buy.
Live in America and I'm pretty sure everything in my house was made in China. Nothing from Germany. Stepson had an Audi TT that thing was a piece ****, stepdaughter had a VW Capri it did run more often than the Audi. Not really my area of interest but I believe we started all that tech/entertainment suff. It's just the corporation that made that stuff either moved to countries where they could exploit the populace or were bought out by corporations from those countries. If nothing else we fueled the tech revolution with our purchaing power. Until recently do you think the average European(or whoever) had the gadgets and luxury of your average american. Yes we are in a decline and many others are on the up swing. But whatever we fueled it, the Japanese designed it, and the Chinese made it. Korea too right?
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Originally by: Lord Ryan
Live in America and I'm pretty sure everything in my house was made in China. Nothing from Germany. Stepson had an Audi TT that thing was a piece ****, stepdaughter had a VW Capri it did run more often than the Audi. Not really my area of interest but I believe we started all that tech/entertainment suff. It's just the corporation that made that stuff either moved to countries where they could exploit the populace or were bought out by corporations from those countries. If nothing else we fueled the tech revolution with our purchaing power. Until recently do you think the average European(or whoever) had the gadgets and luxury of your average american. Yes we are in a decline and many others are on the up swing. But whatever we fueled it, the Japanese designed it, and the Chinese made it. Korea too right?
The bulk of things we live with were invented in Britain.
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Lord Ryan
ASPIRE Commandos
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Posted - 2011.07.21 20:56:00 -
[119]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Lord Ryan
Live in America and I'm pretty sure everything in my house was made in China. Nothing from Germany. Stepson had an Audi TT that thing was a piece ****, stepdaughter had a VW Capri it did run more often than the Audi. Not really my area of interest but I believe we started all that tech/entertainment suff. It's just the corporation that made that stuff either moved to countries where they could exploit the populace or were bought out by corporations from those countries. If nothing else we fueled the tech revolution with our purchaing power. Until recently do you think the average European(or whoever) had the gadgets and luxury of your average american. Yes we are in a decline and many others are on the up swing. But whatever we fueled it, the Japanese designed it, and the Chinese made it. Korea too right?
The bulk of things we live with were invented in Britain.
Once apon a time everything in my house was RCA, than it became walmart crap. Maybe I'm just old.
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Tzarkan Tzeench
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Posted - 2011.07.21 21:43:00 -
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i would say a far more accurate would be:
caldari = japan
gallente = western europe
minmatar = india/africa
amarr = middle east, esp iran
the US dosent fit a single one, as it takes a good chunk of the worst from both caldari(corporations vastly increasing power and influence) and amarr(religious intolerance, rising christian power in forcing their morals on others) while being structured sorta like gallente(democracy).
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 22:42:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Negentig
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw).
Im sorry, have you ever even been outside the U.S.? What planet do you live on? Do you even have a passport? Get out and see the sunshine, don't believe what FOXnews tells you...
I'm a diplomat for the Obama administration. We can't watch faux news, but we do all agree that europe is our play thing, and the only thing to fear is China itself (and sometimes Russia because they're elite haxxerx).
Honestly the healthy-citizens, QOL, life expenctancy, and gdp arguments are flimsy at best. This world is ruled by violence and it's no secret most EU countries ceased that in the mid to late 20th century. Your sad little militaries aren't going to keep you relevent post-colonial power for long. I almost feel bad that you're really proud of Monnoco. It's like the carebear miners in the old NC being all high and mighty about all "they had accomplished," while the military core had wasted away. Didn't take much to see the whole NC was **** and their younger bros in CFC were the ones holding the torch. (America)
~this has been driveby diplomacy~
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.21 22:59:00 -
[122]
Jeez, some of you are mad
Obviously there's no one-to-one mapping. The whole point is it's a bit of a mish-mash, with cultural strains crossing and interacting in odd ways, just as you'd expect from 20,000 years of isolation, reversion to barbarism, and claw back to civilization. Certain trends from today are extrapolated, but mixed and matched in unexpected ways. That's exactly what's so good and clever about the way it's set up.
Amarr = one particular extrapolation of what a culture of people descended from Americans might become after 20,000 years of isolation, taking the religious tendency prevalent in American life to a theocratic extreme. But there are also hints of Middle Eastern theocracy and Islamic theocracy there too. Also some Mongolian, and perhaps Russian influence.
Caldari = one particular extrapolation of how echoes of the Japanese Zaibatsu mentality might interact with European Nationalism of the Italian Fascist type. It's not strictly capitalism, because capitalism is more like what the Gallente do. The nearest equivalent in the West today is what's called "crony capitalism" - close collusion between state and top industrialists, as you find in the US a lot (though its influence is often exaggerated beyond reason by conspiracy theorists).
Gallente = probably the purest extrapolation from a current culture to the future one: French, a bit bolshy like the French are, and very proud, and very into freedom and democracy. But also capitalist like the early US was capitalist; and bureacratic like the current EU is bureacratic. But there are also some echoes of the Indian subcontinent and China here too.
Minmatar = an obvious reference to American slavery, the Amarr being a theocratic America taken to extremes, enslaving predominantly (but not exclusively) black tribes. But the Nordic influence is also there, as are other Asian influences, and, again, some echo of Russia (more the older, wild, tribal side of Russia).
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"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:09:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 23:15:05
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Minmatar = an obvious reference to American slavery, the Amarr being a theocratic America taken to extremes, enslaving predominantly (but not exclusively) black tribes.
The president would like for me to point out that we didn't actually enslave anyone, we just bought slaves from europeans (until they decided to make us go cold turkey... ****ing *******s) This map illustrates the point. If you want to talk about theocracy and slave-holding, look no further than Spain and the Catholic church. Over 90% of the African slave population was exported to south american and carribean Spanish/Protugese colonial holdings. These countries were and some continue to be absolutely awful, except Brazil, which is our friend and providor of risque parade material. Anyhow, the point is the diaspora and the minmatar story is absolutely a tale of european colonialism, not 18th and 19th century america.
Trying to shoe-horn theocracy onto the US is something Mr. Obama is against.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:33:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 21/07/2011 23:34:05
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 23:20:06
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Minmatar = an obvious reference to American slavery, the Amarr being a theocratic America taken to extremes, enslaving predominantly (but not exclusively) black tribes.
The president would like for me to point out that we didn't actually enslave anyone, we just bought slaves from europeans (until they decided to make us go cold turkey... ****ing *******s) This map illustrates the point. If you want to talk about theocracy and slave-holding, look no further than Spain and the Catholic church. Over 90% of the African slave population was exported to south american and carribean Spanish/Protugese colonial holdings. These countries were and some continue to be absolutely awful, except Brazil, which is our friend and providor of risque parade material. Anyhow, the point is the diaspora and the minmatar story is absolutely a tale of european colonialism, not 18th and 19th century america.
Lets examing the minmatar story:
-Bunch of white Amarrian people show up and enslave them: Europeans continue and proliferate the mid-eastern practice of enslaving sub-saharan Afrians.
-Amarrians send them out to work the colonies: Europeans send slaves through the middle passage to the new colonies in the Americas.
-Amarrians get bogged down in a war they end up loosing: Europe becomes over-extended during the late colonial era, ww1 - ww2.
-Amarrians loose their strangle-hold on the Minmatar region: Europe pulls out of Africa and south america.
-Minmatar revolts occur in areas the Amarr refused to relenquish, Ammatar regions are a war-torn hellscape: Africa of today.
Umm, I did say "reference to" and "taken to extremes". I also said "no one-to-one mapping". It's more of a European liberal's view of what the religious Right tendency in America might lead to in a sort of re-run of slavery. It's an extremified religious America viewed through liberal Icelandic lenses. It's not meant to be a thesis or commentary on the actual history, more just an offhand, vague sort of echo.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:36:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 23:38:32
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Umm, I did say "reference to" and "taken to extremes". I also said "no one-to-one mapping". It's more of a European liberal's view of what the religious Right tendency in America might lead to in a sort of re-run of slavery. It's an extremified religious America viewed through liberal Icelandic lenses.
It's ok to be wrong. Sometimes you just have to accept that your interpretation of something was so far off-base as to be completely laughable by those who could draw appropriate historical comparisons. Don't hang on to your rediculous assertion like FOX NEWS. Just understand where you err'd and attempt to absorb the wonderful gift of knowledge that I have bestowed upon you.
Now that we have made it clear that Amarr is Europe and Minmatar is every non-european culture they've subdued and subsequently lost influence over. What are the other two EVE races truly representative of? I think this makes Gallente the ancient Chinese and Caldari Japan.
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:51:00 -
[126]
Man, a few officers from Target's external security division attempted to hijack my stuff today, luckily I'm a member of Wal-Mart Alliance and held them off long enough for reinforcements.
...Or the Caldari State is what European socialists imagine a "capitalist" society would look like, not what an actual capitalist state really is. (See USA, 19th century)
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Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:53:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Astenion on 21/07/2011 23:54:04
Effing lawl at all you idiots thinking that American corporations run the government, yet somehow European governments are bereft of said corporate interference. Do you even live in either Europe or the US? I'm thinking not because if you did, you wouldn't make such blatantly ******ed comments.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:54:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Negentig
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw).
Im sorry, have you ever even been outside the U.S.? What planet do you live on? Do you even have a passport? Get out and see the sunshine, don't believe what FOXnews tells you...
I'm a diplomat for the Obama administration.
hmm, considering the rest of your post i find that hard to believe. Or you just call anyone that works for the state-department a 'diplomat'.
The world is returning to its natural equilibrium, where Asia is the center of the world, like it was before the industrial revolution.
This has nothing to do with miltary might, its the economic centre of gravity. American soldiers will do nothing if their dollars aren't worth anything, which is what will happen if the U.S. even thinks about using its military. The American war machine is only as strong as the American economy.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:57:00 -
[129]
Caldari are Japan/US. Megacorps are an asian thing in how they are viewed in culture. but here in the US our government is a division of the Mega Corps. just look at things like Copyright law here in the US is not about preservation of art and protecting the artist its about preservation of a mega corp's stock price.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.22 00:03:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Astenion
Edited by: Astenion on 21/07/2011 23:54:04
Effing lawl at all you idiots thinking that American corporations run the government, yet somehow European governments are bereft of said corporate interference. Do you even live in either Europe or the US? I'm thinking not because if you did, you wouldn't make such blatantly ******ed comments.
true
Originally by: Negentig
Large corporations in ANY country influence their government. If they can't do that they will often leave and find a country that is willing to offer better terms.
Large corporations don't actually get taxed like a small business. They don't get audited... of course not. They negotiate with the government of their home-country about how much tax they will pay. States are competing with eachother for the tax from large companies. States will offer advantages like, but not limited to, tax cuts to attract and keep multinational companies to/in their country(This also goes for individual states in the U.S.A).
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 00:09:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Negentig
hmm, considering the rest of your post i find that hard to believe. Or you just call anyone that works for the state-department a 'diplomat'.
The world is returning to its natural equilibrium, where Asia is the center of the world, like it was before the industrial revolution.
This has nothing to do with miltary might, its the economic centre of gravity. American soldiers will do nothing if their dollars aren't worth anything, which is what will happen if the U.S. even thinks about using its military. The American war machine is only as strong as the American economy.
I am shocked sir. Nowhere else on the great internet would anyone suppose that my position was not entirely solidified by the up-standing quality of my posting! Also, I don't think equilibrium means what you think it means.
In other news, we've been skint as **** for decades and still managed to start all manner of international conflicts. What makes you think this american dollar theory holds any weight? German currency wasn't worth a damn during the 30's, but they still had a good deal of momentum going into the next decade.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.22 00:56:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
I am shocked sir. Nowhere else on the great internet would anyone suppose that my position was not entirely solidified by the up-standing quality of my posting! Also, I don't think equilibrium means what you think it means.
In other news, we've been skint as **** for decades and still managed to start all manner of international conflicts. What makes you think this american dollar theory holds any weight? German currency wasn't worth a damn during the 30's, but they still had a good deal of momentum going into the next decade.
The American economy has been propped up by foreign investment from Asia, N-Europe and the Middle-East those last few decades(approx since 1973). During this period the U.S have started 'international conflicts' indeed, but had to make sure not to **** of China or any other major trading-partner too much. There has been no direct conflict between two 1st-rate powers since 1945, only proxy wars and 1st-rate powers attacking third-world countries.
Also, economic isolation and being unable to buy resources on the international market(oil copper etc) was one of the main factors for the fall of the third Reich. And the global situation in 1939 and Germany's unique position as an (bankrupt)industrial powerhouse is hard to compare to a hypothetical American aggressor in todays globalized world/market.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:05:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 22/07/2011 01:06:57
Originally by: Negentig
The American economy has been propped up by foreign investment from Asia, N-Europe and the Middle-East those last few decades(approx since 1973). During this period the U.S have started 'international conflicts' indeed, but had to make sure not to **** of China or any other major trading-partner too much. There has been no direct conflict between two 1st-rate powers since 1945, only proxy wars and 1st-rate powers attacking third-world countries.
Also, economic isolation and being unable to buy resources on the international market(oil copper etc) was one of the main factors for the fall of the third Reich. And the global situation in 1939 and Germany's unique position as an (bankrupt)industrial powerhouse is hard to compare to a hypothetical American aggressor in todays globalized world/market.
I take it you are unaware of the foreign aid europe recieved. See: Marshall Plan. We essentially built your economies from the ground up post-ww2. So, if you'd like to talk about debts then you still owe us a great deal more than we presently owe China or any other of our forign under-writers. After all, you would not exist without our military and economic connections.
You're also overlooking the fact that the so-called "super" powers essentially allow the existance of the first world. Without their foreign policies there would be no stopping the third world from rapidly escalating their own rise to economic and military might. It amuses me so many in the EU admonish our administration for taking a hard stance against militarization in the mid-east when the EU was a primary motivator in those policies. They practically begged us to take action in Iraq and more recently, Iran because it was your public interest to see such a close and imminent threat to first world political entities.
So, the next time you want to talk about "today's global market," you should consider why there is a global market at all. It's becase we allowed it to proliferate and prevented localized third-world-driven conflicts from disrupting it's major players. A service we in Washington will continue to provide.
You're welcome.
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Kerenskyi
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:17:00 -
[134]
like a great man once said, death 2 america
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:19:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Kerenskyi
like a great man once said
That guy we shot in the face?
Obama actually still smugs about that around the office, quite regularly.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:34:00 -
[136]
Do your research on the Marshall plan, consensus is that it was only a jump start for the European economies. Not the cause of the post-war 'wirtshaftwunder'. Furthermore the Marshall plan was designed to create a market for the consumerproducts American industry was producing at the time. It wasn't a filantropical program or anything. And I think most European baby-boomers are in fact 'grateful' fot this 'help' despite of this.
About the gulfwars, the 1st time the world decided Quwait needed to be liberated. US couldn't wait to do it. Letting Bangladeshi soldiers do it would have been cheaper btw, this is what happens with most UN missions.
Second gulfwar the 'world' did not ask the US to do anything. In fact thw world didn't really care. They didn't care about 911 nor about what would happen in the Middle-East. The world didn't support nor object to the invasion. Only GB under jesus-freak Blair joined the coalition of the willing and i maintain that the British electorate genuinely did not care about 911 and Iraq.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:45:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Negentig
Do your research on the Marshall plan, consensus is that it was only a jump start for the European economies. Not the cause of the post-war 'wirtshaftwunder'. Furthermore the Marshall plan was designed to create a market for the consumerproducts American industry was producing at the time. It wasn't a filantropical program or anything. And I think most European baby-boomers are in fact 'grateful' fot this 'help' despite of this.
About the gulfwars, the 1st time the world decided Quwait needed to be liberated. US couldn't wait to do it. Letting Bangladeshi soldiers do it would have been cheaper btw, this is what happens with most UN missions.
It's NBD, really. You are seriously welcome. Also, you didn't care about Quwait. You had european forign interests (namely Oil - yes, America isn't the only country with oil companies :cough:) in the region that stood to be nationalized or destroyed by the Iraqi offensive. Thus you openly supported the US effort to push them back across the border. God help you if you're counting on the UN to do anything btw.
Originally by: Negentig
Second gulfwar the 'world' did not ask the US to do anything. In fact thw world didn't really care. They didn't care about 911 nor about what would happen in the Middle-East. The world didn't support nor object to the invasion. Only GB under jesus-freak Blair joined the coalition of the willing and i maintain that the British electorate genuinely did not care about 911 and Iraq.
You're correct, the 'world,' did not. Europe did. In fact, you cried so hard recently about IRAN that we mobilized our elite hax squadrons to disrupt their nuclear program. British intelligence was also complicit in helping the late great Mr. Powell concoct his ~yellow cake~ presentation, wich we used as a handy justification for extending the conflict in Afghanistan to Iraq. However, you're sorely mistaken if you believe GB was alone in supporting this push. You might misconstrue the events of 9/11 as an attack on the US alone, but your leadership was intelligent enough to understand that it was an attack on the first world and they have been delighted to help us repress that third-world rabble in the years since.
So, one more time, you're welcome.
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Negentig
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:54:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Negentig
Do your research on the Marshall plan, consensus is that it was only a jump start for the European economies. Not the cause of the post-war 'wirtshaftwunder'. Furthermore the Marshall plan was designed to create a market for the consumerproducts American industry was producing at the time. It wasn't a filantropical program or anything. And I think most European baby-boomers are in fact 'grateful' fot this 'help' despite of this.
About the gulfwars, the 1st time the world decided Quwait needed to be liberated. US couldn't wait to do it. Letting Bangladeshi soldiers do it would have been cheaper btw, this is what happens with most UN missions.
It's NBD, really. You are seriously welcome. Also, you didn't care about Quwait. You had european forign interests (namely Oil - yes, America isn't the only country with oil companies :cough:) in the region that stood to be nationalized or destroyed by the Iraqi offensive. Thus you openly supported the US effort to push them back across the border. God help you if you're counting on the UN to do anything btw.
Originally by: Negentig
Second gulfwar the 'world' did not ask the US to do anything. In fact thw world didn't really care. They didn't care about 911 nor about what would happen in the Middle-East. The world didn't support nor object to the invasion. Only GB under jesus-freak Blair joined the coalition of the willing and i maintain that the British electorate genuinely did not care about 911 and Iraq.
You're correct, the 'world,' did not. Europe did. In fact, you cried so hard recently about IRAN that we mobilized our elite hax squadrons to disrupt their nuclear program. British intelligence was also complicit in helping the late great Mr. Powell concoct his ~yellow cake~ presentation, wich we used as a handy justification for extending the conflict in Afghanistan to Iraq. However, you're sorely mistaken if you believe GB was alone in supporting this push. You might misconstrue the events of 9/11 as an attack on the US alone, but your leadership was intelligent enough to understand that it was an attack on the first world and they have been delighted to help us repress that third-world rabble in the years since.
So, one more time, you're welcome.
Other than the whole obama/diplomat story i think you were being serious in your posts and raising some interesting points. Now you are just trolling...
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MeBiatch
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Posted - 2011.07.22 01:55:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
This is true
and what canada is intaki?
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 02:02:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Negentig
Other than the whole obama/diplomat story i think you were being serious in your posts and raising some interesting points. Now you are just trolling...
Sir, the Obama administration does not condone trolling in any way. I am quite dissapointed to hear of such and accusation, but in the spirit of kinship between our great ancestors I am willing to forgive you this transgression and continue to enlighten your mind.
My point is thus: We are the first world. Wether or not any of my fellow liberals are willing to admit it, we have joined hands at the table of... what the hell is that peasant third-worlder doing here, get him OUT! Anyway, what I mean is that our destinies are intertwined. We live and breath this fresh, free, and decatent first-world air because it has been our collective goal to ensure that we have it and others do not. We cannot allow these petty squabbles to diminish the great feats of social engineering that we have accomplished over these last centuries!
In the past it was europe who lead the way in opressing the poor and exploiting them for their resources. Now that America has taken up that torch, we are delighted to give our former masters an honorary, if not wholly deserved, seat at our table for first world happyness. So, let us toast now to another hundred years of being on top!
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.22 02:04:00 -
[141]
Caldari, is without a doubt, what the US would look like once corporations took over, and completely dissolved all personal and nation sovereignty. It would also include other corporate states, like Japan, etc. But frankly, Asia would do it's own thing, and wouldn't be swallowed up in the same ideologies of western corporate fascism.
Gallente is clearly French themed corrupt democracy. Valuing personal freedoms and aristocracy. It overshadows what Europe would become if the EU doesn't strangle everything to death. Also, one needn't look further than current events to see how easily even the liberty loving French go to war; See Libya, if you think the French don't start wars on loose grounds, like the Gallente do in the Caldari/Minmatar wars, then you're mistaken.
Amarr, definitely fundamentalist and theocratic leftovers from any part of the world. Bits of populace from every country, in my opinion.
Minmatar, the downtrodden of society, due to all the crap the above 3 dish out. The downtrodden turned superpower, decentralized, disorganized but unrelenting. Pushed back in time to a more primitive society because they've had no ground to stand on. This would be the makeup and people of all civilized third-world nations, as what we see today. Who do you think we're fighting wars against in 2011?
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 02:06:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Syphon Lodian
Who do you think we're fighting wars against in 2011?
Twitter.
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Faceless Assassin
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Posted - 2011.07.22 02:20:00 -
[143]
Amarr = Middle E ast
Minmatar = Africa
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Maximus Lionhart
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.22 03:50:00 -
[144]
Caldari are most definitely Japanese. If you do their missions, there is a lot of talk about killing the incompetent ceo to save the company "face".
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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I know this is kind of general, but at what point is this NOT out of pod?
Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze |
Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 04:44:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I know this is kind of general, but at what point is this NOT out of pod?
I'm still in my pod. vOv
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.07.22 06:09:00 -
[147]
Originally by: CptConorado
I prefer to think us Americans are more akin to the Amarr. We share their blind jingoistic nationalism and we still own slaves who are slaves in all but name.
EDIT: Plus we are the only country on Earth to be dumb enough to use lasers. Just sayin.
Fixed that for ya, mate, bolded for clarity.
I think Minmatar = a mix of a more dystopian Canada + post-Apartheid South Africa, but that's just me.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.07.22 06:12:00 -
[148]
Originally by: CptConorado
Originally by: Cipher Jones
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but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you,
That's what I love about America, is even people that have no ****ing clue whatsoever are allowed to say anything they want.
It is the American Dream, and we are living it.
"The reason they call it 'the american dream' is because you have to be asleep to believe in it." (George Carlin)
Truer words, maing, truer words...
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Antarra Starwind
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Posted - 2011.07.22 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: LordOfDespair
US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran.
Yet.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm
"The reason they call it 'the american dream' is because you have to be asleep to believe in it." (George Carlin)
Truer words, maing, truer words...
Counterpoint: We created Gorge Carlin.
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.22 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm
"The reason they call it 'the american dream' is because you have to be asleep to believe in it." (George Carlin)
Truer words, maing, truer words...
Counterpoint: We created Gorge Carlin.
**** **** **** **** ****sucker mother****er ****
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.07.22 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 07:33:46
Minmatar = Israel. New kings of pvp.
Gallente = Europe. Old kings of pvp, now a total joke at it.
Caldari = Asia. Once they sucked at pvp, now they can blob and dominate anyone they want.
Amarr = Religious fanatics the world over. Always dangerous in large numbers and they're nearly impossible to eradicate.
Fixed that for ya, too.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.07.22 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kehro Urgus
Counterpoint: We created Gorge Carlin.
No, you didn't. The Carlins of this world aren't "created" by anyone.
They create themselves.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm on 22/07/2011 07:01:59
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35
We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw).
Why do you Americans always automatically assume that every culture on the planet does things because they're jealous of/want to be like you? Not even close, babe.
The rationale that informed the birth of the EU had nothing whatsoever to do with America, but were intended to form a common legal/economic framework for the member states to work out their problems in such a way that the previous 1000+ years of war on the Continent--which culminated in WWII, half the population killed, the entire industrial base destroyed, half of Europe vassalised by the USSR, and the very-nearly successful genocide of one of the world's oldest cultures--would never happen again.
That's an oversimplification, of course--read Jeremy Rifkin's The European Dream for the full monte.
I really hate to disillusion you, Yank, but it's not all about you. It never was. What this particular case is all about was around in some forms long before people even knew there was a North American continent.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 22/07/2011 07:03:01
amarr = america. the US is run by a bunch of religious zealots. Every president they elect has to 'admit' he believes in the christian god. george bush even said he spoke directly to god lol
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process.
Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years.
bad troll is bad, +1 anyways
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:07:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 22/07/2011 07:03:01
amarr = america. the US is run by a bunch of religious zealots. Every president they elect has to 'admit' he believes in the christian god. george bush even said he spoke directly to god lol
Jimmy Carter saw a UFO!
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 22/07/2011 07:16:14
Originally by: Kehro Urgus
Jimmy Carter saw a UFO!
if you're saying he saw 'aliens' and thus goes against the bible, i'll remind you that a UFO is a term used frequently for human piloted aircraft too =P
Theres no way you can be elected in the USA if you are an athiest or agnostic.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:16:00 -
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Think I made some euros mad ITT. 
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:26:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 22/07/2011 07:03:01
amarr = america. the US is run by a bunch of religious zealots. Every president they elect has to 'admit' he believes in the christian god. george bush even said he spoke directly to god lol
Yes, sure. America is run by religious zealots because the president admits he believes in Christian god. Don't let the reality fool you and god forbid to look at other places on Earth that are run by religious zealots. It's America the source of all evil, saying otherwise may be politically incorrect and insult ppl that are readily deeply insulted by anything they don't like and may cut someone's head off because of it. So, keep repeating America is evil and continue to live in your glass castle filled with righteous feelings of genuine guilt towards any fail nation on this planet.
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Antarra Starwind
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Antarra Starwind on 22/07/2011 07:27:54
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Honestly the healthy-citizens, QOL, life expenctancy, and gdp arguments are flimsy at best. This world is ruled by violence and it's no secret most EU countries ceased that in the mid to late 20th century. Your sad little militaries aren't going to keep you relevent post-colonial power for long. I almost feel bad that you're really proud of Monnoco. It's like the carebear miners in the old NC being all high and mighty about all "they had accomplished," while the military core had wasted away. Didn't take much to see the whole NC was **** and their younger bros in CFC were the ones holding the torch. (America)
~this has been driveby diplomacy~
You say this--you not only misinterpret the intent--which is slightly less than blindingly obvious!--of using Morocco as an example, but can't even be arsed to spell it right, and you call yourself a diplomat?
Please say you're being ironic:
Because everything in this statement embodies why Amurrika is the ****ing laughing-stock of the world.
(And no, just because someone is a long-term successful bully doesn't mean that they have any actual credibility, either.)
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kehro Urgus on 22/07/2011 07:28:18
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 22/07/2011 07:16:14
Originally by: Kehro Urgus
Jimmy Carter saw a UFO!
if you're saying he saw 'aliens' and thus goes against the bible, i'll remind you that a UFO is a term used frequently for human piloted aircraft too =P
Theres no way you can be elected in the USA if you are an athiest or agnostic.
Could be his charity work and community involvement... just saying.
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Antarra Starwind
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:34:00 -
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I think the Minmatar are, if they can be said to be a parallel of any specific RL culture(/s), a cross between modern-day Israel and ANC-run(-into the ground) South Africa, who's "societal colour" is informed by Norse/Nordic memes.
Just my 0.02 ISK.
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Antarra Starwind
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Posted - 2011.07.22 07:46:00 -
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Like a truly great man once said:
Pen1spen1spen1spen1s!
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.22 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm
"The reason they call it 'the american dream' is because you have to be asleep to believe in it." (George Carlin)
Truer words, maing, truer words...
In Britain we don't have that American Dream thing, because we're all awake.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.07.22 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
In Britain we don't have that American Dream thing, because we're all awake.
No **** Sherlock, what did you expect with all the damn tea breaks you have managed to cram into your daily lives .. the UK is a nation of caffeine junkies!
Fake Edit: Speaking of, getting a cup .. caffeine levels dangerously low.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.07.22 09:24:00 -
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Tea is like our magic potion from Asterix. No matter how bad it gets nice brew always makes everything better.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.22 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 22/07/2011 09:42:04
There is a huge amount of wishful thinking in this thread and anybody wants to appreciate the some probable inspirations for the deeper lore should step over to Eve Fiction where this has been analysed in depth.
The first thing to recognise is that there is not a direct reflections of modern nations or cultures. There are many allegorical historical inspirations.
The most obvious and widely accepted is the Jove Empires reflecting the history of the Roman Republic/Empire/Tetrarchy.
The Gallente reflect pre-Roman Celts & Gaul empire which dominated the British Isles, France expanded/invade the Balkens, Greece and Anatolia(Eastern Turkey) and elsewhere. The Gauls of Anatolia were called the Galatia.
The Amarr most closely reflect an amalgam of the rise of the monotheistic Abrahamic religions (all of them, Judism, Christianity, Islam reflecting in the waves of reclaiming).
There is no allegory of Modern America in Eve, there is some evidence the Talocan were inspired by ancient Native Americans.
The Minmatar are most likely inspired by the Kurgen Tribes who pre-historically occupied the region from the Caspian to the Scandinavian, with the Amatar reflecting the later Varangians.
The Yan Jung are the Golden Horde.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.22 10:02:00 -
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We have had this "discussion" about a hundred times. It is actually beneficial in some way as it generates a sort of consensus on peopleÆs perception on the different factions within EVE, though, of course, no fictional faction can be mapped one-to-one to a real world country.
How about we expand the topic a bit:
Angel Cartel: Mexicans?
The Syndicate: Australia?
How about the rest?
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Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
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Posted - 2011.07.22 10:07:00 -
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This awesome thread + my last trip to Europe proves only one thing. People who don't live in the US have no ****ing clue how it actually works.
/thread.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.22 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Obviously there's no one-to-one mapping. The whole point is it's a bit of a mish-mash, with cultural strains crossing and interacting in odd ways, just as you'd expect from 20,000 years of isolation, reversion to barbarism, and claw back to civilization. Certain trends from today are extrapolated, but mixed and matched in unexpected ways. That's exactly what's so good and clever about the way it's set up.
That's a great way of putting it. It's ambiguous enough to have a taste of all kinds of cultures, and that's a large part of why the Eve lore is so engaging.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.22 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: J Kunjeh on 22/07/2011 10:33:11
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
I know this is kind of general, but at what point is this NOT out of pod?
It's veered off-track a bit, but it originally started as a very good and relevant thread for the GD section. In fact, I think it's one of the better threads going right now. After all of the complaining and whining of the past few weeks, it's refreshing to see some thoughtful, engaging and entertaining (here's looking at you Nimrod) posts. Finally, a thread reminiscent of the Eve-o forums I remember.
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.22 10:44:00 -
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Like the other thread which was locked, please keep discussion of nationalism off the EVE forums. the world of today and the world of EVE are separated by thousands of years and the views of today are no way represented in EVE.
Navigator
Lead Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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