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J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.21 01:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Kogh Ayon So how about the Jove? Space cats. They could pwn us all if they could just be bothered. In the mean-time, you'd better feed them and scratch them behind the ear while they lounge aroundà Now THAT is the most accurate comparison I've seen all thread long. ~Gnosis~
Nth Ares	Posted - 2011.07.21 01:25:00 - [62] Even including the Gallente, none of the four Empires correspond directly with any one Earth culture. Terrans had spend hundreds, if not thousands of years colonizing and mixing in the Milky Way before New Eden was even discovered. The legends and languages and genes had already been mixed to the point that 21st century nationalities and races no longer existed. The societies of New Eden each evolved in isolation over thousands of years, climbing back from a pre-industrial dark age. Societal elements of the Empires may seem familiar to us, but they are all re-creations, re-discoveries with no solid connection to their Terran past. As for the Gallente and the French, that still would only apply to Gallente Prime; the Federation is composed of many bloodlines and cultures from many planets, all of whom developed in isolation. Even democracy did not survive there - the Gallente timeline shows an extended period of monarchy.
Cunane Jeran Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.21 01:28:00 - [63] Think its Gallente = American I'd say Amarr more closely resembles medievil Europe as for Caldari I have no idea.
Uuali	Posted - 2011.07.21 03:10:00 - [64] Edited by: Uuali on 21/07/2011 03:10:31 Caldari are so obviously American with the militant, mega-corp culture. The camoflage with the glorified warehouse/trailer chic designed ships. I'm proud of that by the way, if only because other people slam it. And then there are the Achura which are obviously modern Japanese with their American inspired business culture. Gallente are defined by the backstory as libertine French. Likewise, Amarr are Roman Catholic culture run amok. Minmatar are black/jew/latino/irish oppressed peoples throughout time. The asian subcultures are formerly French owned Vietnam et al and Mongolian peoples (seriously look up pics and compare to the original portait art) respectively.
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2011.07.21 03:14:00 - [65] The Gallente strikes me as being a mirror of present-day American politics following the patriot act. They've enjoyed freedom, and they want to keep their freedoms, but they don't know how to defend them, and in their haste to try to defend them, they've essentially lost their freedoms in the process. The Amarr empire is something of Europe. Putting aside the religious overtures, at it's heart it's a powerful empire that been paralyzed by it's own political game and can't address the problems before it. The minmatar, on the other hand, are essentially much of Africa. A people disrupted from external forces before they really developed on their own, revolted and now are mostly free. Yet they find themselves torn between their traditional cultures, which are poorly adapted for their modern world, and the modern world that they've spent so much time in. This gridlock has lead to an almost completely corrupted government.
Shigeru Potatomoto	Posted - 2011.07.21 03:15:00 - [66] Caldari are America because everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff.
Speaker4 theDead Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.21 03:36:00 - [67] Is it because we americans have large torps? Current Subscription 6 Months Account Expires 09 August 2011 (in 24 days)
Negentig Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.21 04:06:00 - [68] Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff. That would be Germany, not the U.S.
Cidmure Stanson	Posted - 2011.07.21 04:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Shigeru Potatomoto Caldari are America because everyone hates their guts but uses their stuff. There's actually a direct correlation to that, many countries use American military machines and equipment. If America does one thing right, it produces some of the best devices to kill each other.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 04:13:00 - [70] Originally by: Cidmure Stanson to kill each other. Civil war burn? Or just poorly worded?

Dreya Renthold	Posted - 2011.07.21 04:48:00 - [71] Originally by: Merin Ryskin You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process. Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years. Originally by: Alisha Firesale Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder why? I believe its the other way around. America is completely run by corporation Both of these statments are true.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 04:56:00 - [72] Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 04:56:48 Originally by: Dreya Renthold Originally by: Merin Ryskin You have it backwards. Gallente are the US, just look at the original Caldari vs. Gallente war. Just like the US, the Gallente claim to be all about freedom and democracy, but the moment you try to use your freedom and democracy to do something the Gallente don't like, they send in the fleet to kill you, and they don't care much about how many innocent civilians die in the process. Replace "Caldari" with "Iraq" in that story and you have a pretty good description of the past ~10 years. Originally by: Alisha Firesale Originally by: Vozch Fischtauder why? I believe its the other way around. America is completely run by corporation Both of these statments are true. Confirming that **** ***** was doing something with freedom and democracy we don't like. But yeah, we're run by corporations like the rest of the world. Welcome to the 21st century. Edit: lol his name is censored, :ccp:
Strifer Sinwulf	Posted - 2011.07.21 04:56:00 - [73] Ok, first off the Caldari are most definitely Japan/Korea if we are gonna make comparisons. To begin with Asian lifestyle is much more strict and way more work intensive which is way more related to the Caldari than the non strict lifestyle of America where people do and say whatever they want. In Asia they live by honor and code and have the highest suicide rates in the world by far. Let me me quote a piece of the overview of the Caldari race, "But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile." American life is anything but strict and disciplined unless you are in the military. This corresponds perfectly with Asian countries including the family status. Not to mention all the oriental words in the Caldari corporations and navy. Ishukone Corporation Hyasyoda Corporation Lai Dai Corporation Tengu Ship Tengu actually means "heavenly dogs" in Japanese Kitsune Ship Kitsune - Japanese word for Fox Gallente I believe we can be pretty confident about Europe and especially French. Many of their ships are named after European gods. Phobos, Kronos, Ares, Deimos, Helios and ect. The Amarr is most definitely a tough one. I am more or so leaning towards America just because of size and how they stick their noses in everything. Not to mention one of the last modern countries to abolish slavery. If we do a little simple math we can see an even stronger correlation. The current date of Eve we are in is 23341 AD the Minmatars rebel and escape slavery in 23216. That means the Minmatars have been freed for about 125 years. If we look into American history Eve online launched in 2003, slavery was abolished in 1865 roughly 138 years. Pretty close if you ask me, I believe its more than a coincidence but possibly not. Finally we have the Minmatar which screams Africa to me, skin color is much darker, and not to mention its a tribal race much like Africa and many of their people were inslaved. To say its wrong to compare these in game races to real life I believe is a mistake as I'm sure there are many more interesting similarities. But hey I could be mistaken.
Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.07.21 06:00:00 - [74] Amarr - You can pretty much put any religious empire in here. I'd say Byzantium or the Ottoman Empire, but really you can throw any number of religious empires in there. Despite the fact that the US had slavery most recently, so did most of Europe at one point or another. Comparing the Amarr to the United States doesn't quite work. Gallente - French and/or American. Not because the Gallente are "French" in origin, but because they originally valued individual liberty and whatnot. The "rugged individual", so to speak. Now they're big on "spreading freedom", something the US is big on. Caldari - Any number of corporatist states could fit this. The British Empire, contemporary China (where the sole motivation is now profit), Fascist Italy, Japan, etc. I think it more resembles the industrialized East. Minmatar - This could be any number of former colonial states such as almost ANY country in Africa, the Middle East, even India/Pakistan, where they were freed from imperial rule and (in some cases) bit their previous "masters" in the arse. There's no way to neatly shove all of them into categories, however, especially in contemporary terms. How about we just consider the Amarr to be "Amarr"?
Rune Star	Posted - 2011.07.21 06:24:00 - [75] When comparing the EU to the US, you have to remember the US has states bigger than European countries. The US is playing at a completely different level. So it's beyond compare. It's apples to oranges, you're just wasting your time.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.07.21 06:28:00 - [76] Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 21/07/2011 06:35:52 Originally by: Ehdward Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: LordOfDespair US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran. You both have religious nutters. You used the word "nutters", so I'm gonna assume you're British, or some other Commonwealth citizen. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. You live in a Theocracy. The U.S. neither has a state religion nor is government by it or it's representative. No US president can be elected if he DOES NOT speak of GOD in some way or another. No presidential speach goes without mentioning GOD. Good luck getting into politics in the US without referring to GOD in some way or another. The US independant from religion? Thats a good one. The contrast is Europe. No politician would mention GOD in any of his speeches because he feels it necessary to get elected, nor refer to GOD as possible reason to do something (like Bush did during the WAR?). The US is the last western country where politics is as close with religion as it gets for a so called "secular state". P.S. watch the movie "religolous", you have politicians that take the bible LITERALLY and can still get elected. Try that in Europe...lol
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.07.21 06:29:00 - [77] America has more in common with Amarr, Theocratic government influenced by corporations and with leader chosen by electoral college. Caldari has no real world comparison, at least not yet thank Goddess. Is heading in that direction though with corporations hi-jacking an increasing amount of social responsibilities. Gallente can be any number of states. Wanna-be democracy .. closest is probably Berlusconi's Italy; deified leader, populist propaganda and highly corrupt. Minmatar can be any number of states. Straight up dictatorship .. closest is probably North Korea; deified leader, technologically backwards and majority living hand-to-mouth.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.07.21 06:35:00 - [78] Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 21/07/2011 06:35:18
Wyke Mossari Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.21 06:35:00 - [79] Originally by: Ehdward Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: LordOfDespair US is not a theocracy and is in no way similar to Iran. You both have religious nutters. You used the word "nutters", so I'm gonna assume you're British, or some other Commonwealth citizen. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. You live in a Theocracy. The U.S. neither has a state religion nor is government by it or it's representative. Don't you know anything, the Queen is one of the Lizard People, the UK is a Xenocracy.
Baenus	Posted - 2011.07.21 07:16:00 - [80] One of my previous toons was in the ISD waaaaaay back in the day, I can confirm what they told us. Amarrians= america. slavery refrences, religeous nut refrence, ship designs all have the bird like beak designed for the bald eagle, and the star shaped torture thing Gallente= french. nuff said Caldari are Sino-asian with heavy japanese influence Minmatar are pretty much every other 3rd world country rolled into one and, oddly enough, nordic influences

Holy One Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.21 07:22:00 - [81] Hehe it's not that the Gallente ideology wasn't intended to represent them, rather that most Americans identify with fascist ideology more readily than 'socialist' liberalism. USA and China are the only fascist mega powers really. Says a lot for totalitarianism. Just goes to show that you can paint a wafer thin veneer of democracy over balls-deep capitalism and come good in time .. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 07:33:00 - [82] Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 07:33:46 Minmatar = America. New kings of pvp. Gallente = Europe. Old kings of pvp, now a total joke at it. Caldari = Asia. Once they sucked at pvp, now they can blob and dominate anyone they want. Amarr = Religious fanatics the world over. Always dangerous in large numbers and they're nearly impossible to eradicate.
Shadowsword The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.21 08:34:00 - [83] Originally by: LordOfDespair Edited by: LordOfDespair on 20/07/2011 23:16:06 You both have religious nutters. Iran is run by religious nutters. US has separation of church and state. Infortunately, this separation isn't as complete as it should be in a real democracy. Religious activity is still a major point in your elections, to the point that some of your nuts will choose one candidate only because he is more fervent than the other. You have bibles as a standard in your hotel rooms. Some of your high bureaucratic functions require the chosen guy to swear with a hand on the bible. And so on... I mean, as matters currently stand, can you imagine an atheist as the US president anytime soon? ------------------------------------------
Strifer Sinwulf	Posted - 2011.07.21 08:47:00 - [84] Edited by: Strifer Sinwulf on 21/07/2011 08:57:01 Originally by: Rune Star When comparing the EU to the US, you have to remember the US has states bigger than European countries. The US is playing at a completely different level. So it's beyond compare. It's apples to oranges, you're just wasting your time. The US playing at a different level than the EU? Way to just spew out such a uninformed perspective so certainly. The EU had a higher GDP than the US did in 2010. Not to mention the population of the EU is around 500mil and the US only 300mil. Sure the US does have more "space" or land lol. But to claim its on a different level? Think its quite comparable
Tun Wehsac	Posted - 2011.07.21 09:04:00 - [85] Dont be childish. There is no way single countries or even unions from earth could last over 20000 years. There would be offsprings from every nation in every race of eve. Ive read references to gallente and france, but seriously would france alone be potential? Not the france i know. Then again referring caldari and usa or china. Capitalism is growing all over the world, not in just two countries. Africa- minmatar, this is just dull. Simply weakness and possible war losing that leads into vassalisation might be reason to slavery. Not color of their skin. Amarr, well religious fanatics are all over our planet and reasoning terrible acts with god is something older than everything i mentioned above.. They just happened to unite under one god in eve, instead of having thousands. And when you really want reason or make sense of it, think of usa. Its good example of colonized melting oven with members from every corner of earth. And thats only couple hundred years old "civilization". Multiply that with age of new eden and grow some perspective. I dont see its possible or even necessary to compare eve races, only their idealistic feautres are different. To sum it up: there are no pure races in eve online.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 09:07:00 - [86] Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35 We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Also, if population is your win win winning metric: we're both well below India. I'll be willing to bet no BRIT is going to agree that they are subservient in any way, shape, or form to the people they spent the better part of some centuries exploiting, deforming, and opressing.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.07.21 09:12:00 - [87] Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 21/07/2011 09:08:35 We are playing at a diffirent level. You guys formed the EU to attempt to GET on our level (you're not there yet, btw). Also, if population is your win win winning metric: we're both well below India. I'll be willing to bet no BRIT is going to agree that they are subservient in any way, shape, or form to the people they spent the better part of some centuries exploiting, deforming, and opressing. Both the USA and the EU have a long way to go to beat Britain back in the days of glory.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 09:14:00 - [88] Originally by: baltec1 Both the USA and the EU have a long way to go to beat Britain back in the days of glory. Not fair imo, you guys ruined all the brown-people before we ever got started taking them over. Now we have to treat them with ~dignity and respect~.
Scorpii Zenith Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.07.21 09:15:00 - [89] Originally by: Alisha Firesale This is true LOL Amarr is the USA. China is Caldari.
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.21 09:17:00 - [90] Originally by: Scorpii Zenith Originally by: Alisha Firesale This is true LOL Amarr is the USA. China is Caldari. I'm glad we're on their side in the future. Sucks to be you guys.



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