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Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2011.07.24 07:33:00 - [151] Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 24/07/2011 07:34:45 Heterosexuality is the norm. Most people don't "push" it, they just take it for granted. If you want to be abnormal that's your right, but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Edit- Leaving important words out FTW. -Just because something works, doesn't mean it's not stupid.
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.07.24 07:36:00 - [152] why the **** is this thread still on page one. stop bumping this bickering, just drop it. who cares.
spiked amarr Hysera.	Posted - 2011.07.24 07:52:00 - [153] What about this? Eve def needs this added in the Lore.
Dalloway Jones	Posted - 2011.07.24 08:16:00 - [154] These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins.
Sirius Sagesinger	Posted - 2011.07.24 08:53:00 - [155] Oh,for God's sake! Where are Back Door Bandit and the Minmatar Gay Rights League when needed for comment. Huh! The young kids these days! SS ------------------------- Vade retro Satana!
Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.24 08:55:00 - [156] Originally by: Dalloway Jones These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins. Wouldn't be any fun any other way.
Warboss Rotgrub	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:07:00 - [157] Originally by: Entity Kaikka Peunato (guristas officer) is gay. And killing and looting Kaikka offensive to gay community
A Little Girl	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:37:00 - [158] Originally by: Dalloway Jones These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins. And then you have the people who don't like gays! I kid I kid, but seriously why does it even matter? This is a computer game. Why do people feel the need to bring RL issues into a computer game? But since that is what is going on I am outraged that Jedis can't be represented in this computer game. It is an affront to my legally recognised religion. In some places.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:39:00 - [159] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 24/07/2011 09:42:10 Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 24/07/2011 07:34:45 Heterosexuality is the norm. Most people don't "push" it, they just take it for granted. If you want to be abnormal that's your right, but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Edit- Leaving important words out FTW. I don't expect everyone to agree with me when I choose unusual hobbies or take controversial stances of opinion. I want people who "disagree" with a basic fact of another person's being, something they do not choose, such as sexual orientation, to realize that by mature, reasonable standards their opinion on that particular subject has no respectability. I do not expect them to do so, however, because I expect nothing good from a forum populated primarily by insecure young heterosexual males (at least, they hope they're heterosexual; they would never want to be on the receiving end of the way they treat non-heterosexual persons). Originally by: A Little Girl Why do people feel the need to bring RL issues into a computer game? RL issues exist everywhere people interact, sadly. _____________________________ [Sebiestor and Intaki: still stripped of their visual identities.]
ghengis khan2 Shad0wtech	Posted - 2011.07.24 10:47:00 - [160] i dont understand why this is even an issue to anyone...were all here playing a computer game, why on earth does sexuality even pop into your heads. wtf people get a life, surely there is more to do than ponder on the sexuality of fictional characters. if everyone had their way every character in every book would be a mix of all races, and would sleep with anything it came across, while worshipping a god that was a mixture of allah/buddah/jesus and the tooth fairy.. /em rant over lol braces self

Kehro Urgus Gallente Ab Obice Saevior	Posted - 2011.07.24 10:54:00 - [161] Originally by: Kyo Haku The only mention of sexuality/gender identity I've seen is in the chronicle Faces, where the rich Caldari chick is disgusted by the thought that some people would want to get the face of the other gender. Something to note...http://eveboard.com/statistics
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.24 13:09:00 - [162] Interesting how people are completely missing the point and intention of this thread. Maybe if I had used the word "lesbian" instead of "gay" the response would have been different. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Lenore Leelu	Posted - 2011.07.24 14:18:00 - [163] Originally by: Lady Spank There needs to be more vegans in space. but then you would need vegan police.
ABig Sodd	Posted - 2011.07.24 14:22:00 - [164] Evey single Pod Pilot in EVE is in the closet. We were all put there in the last patch. There is no way of knowing who is gay,straight or asexual cause CCP wont let us open the fraking Door.
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.24 22:11:00 - [165] Originally by: Dalloway Jones These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins. funny thing about evolution. it doesnt happen in the gay community because they are unable to reproduce with sex. the only kind of evolution they do is the evolution of our souls rotting from the core. this game is about internet space ships. its not about sex. like i said earlier, if it is allowed in the next thing will be HATE CRIMES AGAINST THE GAYS IF I PK AND LAUGH. seriously can you *****s not keep your sickness to yourself. i dont care what you do with who. i dont want myself or my kids to have to deal with it.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.07.24 22:40:00 - [166] I RP gay ingame. But I blame the Empyrean Age novel, where that fat Amarr-secretery-standin-for-the-god-dude was enjoying his minmatar slaves. It made me feel like a catholic, kinda inspired my character. -
Bane Loppknow Pel Industries	Posted - 2011.07.24 22:44:00 - [167] Edited by: Bane Loppknow on 24/07/2011 22:45:19 @OP: Did you read the same Empyrean Age I did? I seem to remember some fat Amarr zealot manhandling young slave boys.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.07.24 23:15:00 - [168] Originally by: Bane Loppknow Edited by: Bane Loppknow on 24/07/2011 22:45:19 @OP: Did you read the same Empyrean Age I did? I seem to remember some fat Amarr zealot manhandling young slave boys. Originally by: Misanth I RP gay ingame. But I blame the Empyrean Age novel, where that fat Amarr-secretery-standin-for-the-god-dude was enjoying his minmatar slaves. It made me feel like a catholic, kinda inspired my character. -
Marshiro	Posted - 2011.07.24 23:42:00 - [169] I'm totally cloning myself so I can finally find someone worthy to have sex with.
Darveses Fantastulousification Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.24 23:51:00 - [170] Mhh this thread pops up on every MMO forum at some point. And I mean this very thread, with these very answers. Always goes the same way, sadly.

Nth Ares	Posted - 2011.07.25 00:56:00 - [171] Originally by: Darveses Mhh this thread pops up on every MMO forum at some point. And I mean this very thread, with these very answers. Always goes the same way, sadly. It always goes this way because a lot of the people who get vocal about it one way or the other, are emotionally children. It's hard for them to come to terms with a world that isn't black/white, that has no regard for justice or karma, does not enforce their ideals. Truth is if you want something to happen, you have to make it happen; and if you don't like what others are doing, don't associate with them. This is advice for both the pro-*** and anti-* voices. Best thing for those who want to see more LGBT representation in the game's fiction should WRITE SOME FICTION! Those who oppose expressions of alternative sexuality should STFU and just not read said fiction**. As they say, the game itself has ZERO sexual content or need of it.
Flamespar	Posted - 2011.07.25 01:04:00 - [172] Edited by: Flamespar on 25/07/2011 01:07:51 Firstly I want to thank the OP for providing me with a handy dandy list of homophobic ftards that I can now hunt down and obliterate. Secondly, sadly whenever someone brings up the word 'Gay' on EVE it always serves to remind me just how toxic and immature many players are. The counter arguements against gay characters in EVE reflect the same arguements that are used (and still used) against gay people in real life. We (yes, me included) still have to put up with this in real life. Straight men don't have to deal with this cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. We have to stand up against homophobia where-ever it occurs, even in EVE. Because if we don't, you narrow minded f**ktards will continue to harm those men and women who are gay, simply because you are deluded enough and enraptured with your own sense of entitlement to think you are right in doing so. Posted with my main, cause I'm not the one who should be afraid.
nahtoh Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.25 01:23:00 - [173] Originally by: Flamespar Edited by: Flamespar on 25/07/2011 01:07:51 Firstly I want to thank the OP for providing me with a handy dandy list of homophobic ftards that I can now hunt down and obliterate. Secondly, sadly whenever someone brings up the word 'Gay' on EVE it always serves to remind me just how toxic and immature many players are. The counter arguements against gay characters in EVE reflect the same arguements that are used (and still used) against gay people in real life. We (yes, me included) still have to put up with this in real life. Straight men don't have to deal with this cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. We have to stand up against homophobia where-ever it occurs, even in EVE. Because if we don't, you narrow minded f*ktards will continue to harm those men and women who are gay, simply because you are deluded enough and enraptured with your own sense of entitlement to think you are right in doing so. Posted with my main, cause I'm not the one who should be afraid. Yeah only gay people get picked on don't they fuktard? Self entitled dipsh!ts like you are the reason this type of crap kicks off. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
nahtoh Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.25 01:26:00 - [174] Originally by: Kyo Haku Interesting how people are completely missing the point and intention of this thread. Maybe if I had used the word "lesbian" instead of "gay" the response would have been different. Mine would not have been... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
GeoBlue	Posted - 2011.07.25 02:17:00 - [175] Why must there always be one gay F@#$tard who starts stupid crap? And why is this post not locked?
Le Sabre Gallente Air Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.25 02:31:00 - [176] Originally by: Flamespar Straight men don't have to deal with this ** cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. Um pretty sure a lot of straight guys, myself included have been spat on, threatened (oh countless times) and kicked out of home, just not for the same reasons as you. So fk you right back tbh. I know I know, its such a hard life being gay and no one else has ever had to deal with the same hardships as you, you poor hard done by person you. Its prolly not the right thing to say, and bearing in mind one of my most trusted friends in this game is also gay, but I think he would also say this: Stop being such a friggin pansy!! Posted with main also. Proud participant in the great "Trade hub lock down" of 24th june 2011. We control OUR** game CCP!!!
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.25 03:36:00 - [177] Originally by: Flamespar Edited by: Flamespar on 25/07/2011 01:07:51 Firstly I want to thank the OP for providing me with a handy dandy list of homophobic ftards that I can now hunt down and obliterate. Secondly, sadly whenever someone brings up the word 'Gay' on EVE it always serves to remind me just how toxic and immature many players are. The counter arguements against gay characters in EVE reflect the same arguements that are used (and still used) against gay people in real life. We (yes, me included) still have to put up with this in real life. Straight men don't have to deal with this cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. We have to stand up against homophobia where-ever it occurs, even in EVE. Because if we don't, you narrow minded f**ktards will continue to harm those men and women who are gay, simply because you are deluded enough and enraptured with your own sense of entitlement to think you are right in doing so. Posted with my main, cause I'm not the one who should be afraid. lol i live in empire. i welcome you coming to find me. just dont come from the rear. when i destroy your ship, kill your pod, then shoot your corpse because i dont want to bring it aboard my ship for health reasons. is that going to be a hate crime?
Valentina Valentia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.25 04:07:00 - [178] Edited by: Valentina Valentia on 25/07/2011 04:08:02 Teen-Rated, Don't care, TMI on the personal info... etc... Why do people feel a need to point out these things - practically no one cares what people do or who or what anymore, if you are looking for a shock-value or something you're in the wrong game/community - try joining ar religion or something where people still count the animal entails or believe in some make-believe deity... EVE is SO totally NOT about sexuality it's not even a point of discussion. I DON'T CARE IF THAT "DOOR" EVER GOES ANYWHERE - and raise prices on NeX, bleed the foppish idiots dry!
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.25 04:45:00 - [179] Originally by: Darveses Mhh this thread pops up on every MMO forum at some point. And I mean this very thread, with these very answers. Always goes the same way, sadly. That's why this is the first time I've opened it on this forum to see what's written (after a couple of days of it hanging on the first page of GD). At this point, I can safely say that the thread is derailed enough to be locked, but anyway... here's my opinion (as an amateur fiction writer) on the subject: EVE Chronicles (haven't read the books yet) are pretty much very good written. Any good writer knows that if you write too much about things that are irrelevant for the whole story, you end up with boring stuff. If you write too much about the whole point of the story, you'll reveal too much to the reader and that's not good - you want your readers to be slightly confused and investigative if you want them to think about your piece of work and appreciate it. Now, to the subject of sexual orientation in fiction... You can't just use sexuality (in general) in the story about a spaceship game as something that's only mentioned to fill the story. You need a reason for mentioning it. In the storyline where we are guided to reveal the secret about ancient races and analyze politics of huge empires that spread through hundreds of solar systems, you can't just expect that sexuality will pop up for no reason at all. It's just not relevant enough. Now, to make it relevant, you'll have to use it somehow. Like setting the tone of some location (as mentioned earlier - gay bar) that is important for the story. When you are writing fiction that is as mysterious as EVE's (great job CCP Dropbear and the fiction team) every single description that is used in the story is on its place and has been put there for a reason. You can't just mention a gay bar if you don't want to connect it to something that couldn't happen anywhere else except in a gay bar. Otherwise, you are just throwing irrelevant information to your readers that can serve to confuse them and take the charm of searching for meaning of the descriptions in the story from them. I mean, what's the point of a mysterious fiction if you are using locations, characters or their behavior as something that is in no way connected to the story and can lead your readers to think that you have started to put info that is irrelevant. It takes the charm out of solving the mystery if something as big as a location or character behavior is set up without a reason. Now, there could be stories that can use sexual properties of a location or characters, but try to look at it this way. I'm not saying that I know the sexual orientation of CCP's fiction writers, but if we have fiction that is avoiding to mention sexual orientation, then there's probably a good reason: 1) Fiction writers are straight and when they write, they think about the storyline and work for which they are paid for, not about sexual orientation of the characters in stories. They simply focus on presenting the information to the readers and transfer some properties of their everyday life into the story as something that is taken for granted or not relevant enough to mention. They are not afraid to use alternative preferences in their story... they simply haven't really thought about sexuality in science fiction series about internet spaceships. 2) Fiction writers haven't found a suitable situation that could use sexual orientation of the characters as an important part of the story. It happens all the time: even if you want to use something in your story you simply don't get good enough inspiration to actually write something about it. So, sit back and relax about sexuality in an SF about internet spaceships, or if you really need an answer, take some time to do a little research on theories of fiction writing and basics of human psychology. Oh,... and to practice relations between what's (not)mentioned in the story and why, I recommend Dostoyevsky.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2011.07.25 05:38:00 - [180] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane I don't expect everyone to agree with me when I choose unusual hobbies or take controversial stances of opinion. I want people who "disagree" with a basic fact of another person's being, something they do not choose, such as sexual orientation, to realize that by mature, reasonable standards their opinion on that particular subject has no respectability. Everyone has opinions. People are entitled to them. If you don't want someones opinion on your sexuality, don't bring it up by demanding it be recognized. I don't demand people recognize and respect my sexuality, I just go pick up who I want to sleep with. I don't advertise my pref in a video game either. -Just because something works, doesn't mean it's not stupid.



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