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Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:11:00 - [1] Something I've noticed in EVE is the distinct lack of sexuality other than 'straight', as far as official lore goes. I've read Empyrean Age and am reading the Burning Life currently; all characters have been either expressly or presumably straight. Now I don't really mind much if CCP chooses to have sexually ambiguous characters, or even all straight characters- but I do ask for at least an acknowledgement of gay/lesbian/bi/trans people existing in the universe. Someone with the same genitals as the character coming up and trying to flirt in a bar, or the character noticing someone of the same sex checking them out in the mall- or something. The only mention of sexuality/gender identity I've seen is in the chronicle Faces, where the rich Caldari chick is disgusted by the thought that some people would want to get the face of the other gender. Like I said, it's not a BIG deal to me; but I am curious if anyone else has noticed the same thing, or if there's a reason for it. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:14:00 - [2] EVE is teen rated. Sex does not exist. --------
Darth Khasei	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Darth Khasei on 21/07/2011 20:16:09 I can understand the question, but its probably as simple as CCP and its writers being fairly narrowminded on many issues. Kind of like making the only dark skinned characters in EVE a race of slaves and former slaves.
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Shiloh Technologies	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Darth Khasei Edited by: Darth Khasei on 21/07/2011 20:16:09 I can understand the question, but its probably as simple as CCP and its writers being fairly narrowminded on many issues. Kind of like making the only dark skinned characters in EVE a race of slaves and former slaves. Bah, and making the slavers religious nutts white? Lets not go down this path of pointless "I feel done by because I'm not represented or I'm represented wrongly" Its not real life guys. Lets complain that all of the people in Game of Thrones are white appart from the horse guys (in this first series) etc etc etc etc.... Why isn't there british in EVE? We're the greatest people after all! Bah, move on.... Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:22:00 - [5] Turns out homosexuality really was genetic after all and those genes were/are removed in utero via Eve's Uber-Cloning, Genetics, and/or Brain-Manipulation (implants) technology? OTOH, if that were true, men in eve wouldn't be follicly challenged. ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
baltec1	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:24:00 - [6] What about the fat man and his boys?
Maddi5on	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:26:00 - [7]
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Abrazzar EVE is teen rated. Sex does not exist. I understand that, but CCP it seems doesn't care about the rating. There's several sex scenes in Empyrean age (two of them being pedophiliac and one being a ****), as well as allusions to sexual activity. Granted, they weren't all THAT graphic, but anyone over the age of 9 would know what was going on. All I'm asking for is an offhand mention of Captain Joe Bob's husband, or Agent Jane Doe's girlfriend, or Senator Rich Moneybags noticing the strapping Minmatar lad in line for the shuttle to the next station. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:36:00 - [9] Originally by: baltec1 What about the fat man and his boys? Karsooth was/is a pedophile, which is an entirely different matter. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Darth Khasei	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Originally by: Darth Khasei Edited by: Darth Khasei on 21/07/2011 20:16:09 I can understand the question, but its probably as simple as CCP and its writers being fairly narrowminded on many issues. Kind of like making the only dark skinned characters in EVE a race of slaves and former slaves. Bah, and making the slavers religious nutts white? Lets not go down this path of pointless "I feel done by because I'm not represented or I'm represented wrongly" Its not real life guys. Lets complain that all of the people in Game of Thrones are white appart from the horse guys (in this first series) etc etc etc etc.... Why isn't there british in EVE? We're the greatest people after all! Bah, move on.... You took the limited amount I said added "your" part and then reacted to "your" part. If you don't think being up there in Iceland gives them a limited and clearly stereotypical view of things as they represented it in the game, thats fine with me. But don't try to change me pointing out that "limited view" of things into that other nonsense you wrote, that fails bro.


CCP Maiden Steel	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:40:00 - [11] There are a handful of recorded alternative-sexuality characters within EVE lore. Certain of the chronicles -- In the Electric Museum in particular -- make mention of this. It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied

Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:40:00 - [12] It's okay to be Takei.
Holy One Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:42:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel There are a handful of recorded alternative-sexuality characters within EVE lore. Certain of the chronicles -- In the Electric Museum in particular -- make mention of this. It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied Confirming the long-held view that all Gallenete males are chutney thieves then. Finally .. It feels so good to be 'out'. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:52:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied That would be a nice change, very nice indeed. As the OP said, it doesn't need to be in your face, just a part of the fabric of New Eden. ~Gnosis~
Yoa Loother	Posted - 2011.07.21 20:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Feligast It's okay to be Takei. Oh my. _ .. darn
Albetta Gallente Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:03:00 - [16] Originally by: baltec1 What about the fat man and his boys? Is Baron Harkonnen in empyrean age?
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:04:00 - [17] Edited by: Verone on 21/07/2011 21:05:18 There are a few characters in Eve's backstory with non-hetro sexual allignments, and many more could be but just haven't had that part of their lives written about yet. For instance Kaikka Peunato, one of the most famous of the Gurista officers was dishonourably discharged from the Caldari Navy when it was revealed he liked the sausage. As well as that, there's the former Chamberlain of the Amarr Empire who was found out to be a Blood Raider traitor, Chamberlain Karsoth, whom was revealed to have a thing for young slave boys in The Empyrean Age. Coupled with these, when Korako Kosakami speaks of the late Jirai Laitainen in The Burning Life, it's given quite a few readers I've spoken to the hint that perhaps the relationship between them was more than business and friendship in its later years. There's lots of examples of varying sexual tastes within the Gallente Federation and the Minmatar Republic, however it's typically considered unclean and unholy in the Amarr Empire, and is frowned upon in the Caldari State as unnatural and not in keeping with the State's will to grow and expand. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Kevric Lament of the Phoenix The Covenant.	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Kyo Haku Something I've noticed in EVE is the distinct lack of sexuality other than 'straight', as far as official lore goes. I've read Empyrean Age and am reading the Burning Life currently; all characters have been either expressly or presumably straight. Now I don't really mind much if CCP chooses to have sexually ambiguous characters, or even all straight characters- but I do ask for at least an acknowledgement of gay/lesbian/bi/trans people existing in the universe. Someone with the same genitals as the character coming up and trying to flirt in a bar, or the character noticing someone of the same sex checking them out in the mall- or something. The only mention of sexuality/gender identity I've seen is in the chronicle Faces, where the rich Caldari chick is disgusted by the thought that some people would want to get the face of the other gender. Like I said, it's not a BIG deal to me; but I am curious if anyone else has noticed the same thing, or if there's a reason for it. Uh, have you not noticed the large amount of male players running around RP'ing as women?
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:09:00 - [19] What does this all mean!?, can men can buy woman's clothing in the NeX store, is CCP working on a rainbow colored winter collection!? I don't hope this kind of behavior is going to be tolerated in caldari and amarr space, sexual deviants are abominations and should be dealt with as such!
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:14:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel There are a handful of recorded alternative-sexuality characters within EVE lore. Certain of the chronicles -- In the Electric Museum in particular -- make mention of this. It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied Wow, didn't expect a mod response that fast/at all. :) I can sorta understand the caldari not liking non-hetero relationships (no new members of society). I'd be curious so hear the Amarr and Minmatar thoughts on the matter. That chronicle was interesting. Kinda sad too. :( -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert

Kotami	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:16:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied Nice.
Flamewave Crimson Moon Society	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Yoa Loother Originally by: Feligast It's okay to be Takei. Oh my. __________
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:29:00 - [23] Im straight. Therfore you are straight. Dont gay me boy !!!! Lets continue.... Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm: Aint that right?
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Kevric Originally by: Kyo Haku Something I've noticed in EVE is the distinct lack of sexuality other than 'straight', as far as official lore goes. I've read Empyrean Age and am reading the Burning Life currently; all characters have been either expressly or presumably straight. Now I don't really mind much if CCP chooses to have sexually ambiguous characters, or even all straight characters- but I do ask for at least an acknowledgement of gay/lesbian/bi/trans people existing in the universe. Someone with the same genitals as the character coming up and trying to flirt in a bar, or the character noticing someone of the same sex checking them out in the mall- or something. The only mention of sexuality/gender identity I've seen is in the chronicle Faces, where the rich Caldari chick is disgusted by the thought that some people would want to get the face of the other gender. Like I said, it's not a BIG deal to me; but I am curious if anyone else has noticed the same thing, or if there's a reason for it. Uh, have you not noticed the large amount of male players running around RP'ing as women? I'm talking about things CCP has released. I'm gay and play my character as such- I can list several other players who have gay characters without even thinking about it. I know better than anyone the male/female player base ratio. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
ovenproofjet Caldari Therapy.	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:36:00 - [25] Did you forget about...
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Kyo Haku but I do ask for at least an acknowledgement of gay/lesbian/bi/trans people existing in the universe. ... I am curious if anyone else has noticed the same thing, or if there's a reason for it. I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. I don't care who they sleep with, and I don't even care if they get married, but continuously professing pride in sexuality is just as annoying as "latino pride" or "white pride."
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't care who they sleep with, and I don't even care if they get married, but continuously professing pride in sexuality is just as annoying as "latino pride" or "white pride." +1
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:52:00 - [28] There needs to be more vegans in space. ~~~
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Kyo Haku but I do ask for at least an acknowledgement of gay/lesbian/bi/trans people existing in the universe. ... I am curious if anyone else has noticed the same thing, or if there's a reason for it. I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. I don't care who they sleep with, and I don't even care if they get married, but continuously professing pride in sexuality is just as annoying as "latino pride" or "white pride." Minorities are often loud because they are championing diversity against a great deal of prejudice. Try to be respectful of people's right to promote their lifestyles. Of course a lot of rabble rabble is also seen by extremists so it's understandable that most lifestyle pride is met with little tolerance. ~~~
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. It's because we DO exist. Like I said, I don't expect every other character to love teh caulk. All I'm asking for is an honorable mention. If sexuality has no relevance to the story- IE: escaping from a shipwreck, it shouldn't be included. AT ALL. But if it's a club/bar scene, it's expected that the character will notice/be noticed. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert

Doravos	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:57:00 - [31] Just give us the lesbian exotic dancers in our CQs.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.21 21:59:00 - [32] Let's see... Jovians... I don't even think they know what sex is anymore. Heavily Japanese-influenced Caldari honour-bound culture ? If any non-hetero behaviour exists, it's repressed. Pseudo-orthodox christian Amarr ? You just know non-heterosexuality is not tolerated. Tribal Minmatar ? Oh, do I have to go there ? So that leaves only the Gallente. Gallente should be (at least theoretically) pretty laissez-faire as far as sexuality goes. If you get any non-heterosexual stories going, chances are it will be from there. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Bootleg Jack	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:05:00 - [33] Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 21/07/2011 22:05:39 Originally by: Abrazzar EVE is teen rated. Sex does not exist. So that is why the trench coat won't open and I have to wear pants even though I have a trench coat?
Yoa Loother	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:06:00 - [34] Bah, screw this politically correct gayl÷rding! Where¦s the hetero pride? I demand properly simulated boobage! Jiggly a$$ engine better be in the pipe-line. _ .. darn
Information Agent	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. It's because we DO exist. Like I said, I don't expect every other character to love teh caulk. All I'm asking for is an honorable mention. If sexuality has no relevance to the story- IE: escaping from a shipwreck, it shouldn't be included. AT ALL. But if it's a club/bar scene, it's expected that the character will notice/be noticed. Does every single 'alternate lifestyle/sexuality/whatever else' person on the planet suddenly deserve a round of applause and recognition all of a sudden for being different from generic assumptions? I'm having trouble fathoming what all the fuss is about tbh.
Kalle Demos Amarr Helix Protocol	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:09:00 - [36] Edited by: Kalle Demos on 21/07/2011 22:09:18 Jamyl Sarum is actually bisexual and Salvador Serpentis is technically a closet homosexual . LETS POST ON CAOD GANG!
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Kyo Haku It's because we DO exist. It's already been said that gay characters are mentioned in the eve lore, it don't seem reasonable to expect CCP/writers to spend time making detailed descriptions on how every minority group fits in to the eve universe.
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Shiloh Technologies	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:17:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel There are a handful of recorded alternative-sexuality characters within EVE lore. Certain of the chronicles -- In the Electric Museum in particular -- make mention of this. It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied waves at Maiden Hi Twitter person :) Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Shiloh Technologies	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:25:00 - [39] Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. It's because we DO exist. Like I said, I don't expect every other character to love teh caulk. All I'm asking for is an honorable mention. If sexuality has no relevance to the story- IE: escaping from a shipwreck, it shouldn't be included. AT ALL. But if it's a club/bar scene, it's expected that the character will notice/be noticed. It doesn't matter, of course you exist, but what you do in your home has nothing to do with the world around. Are you defined by that one part of you? Is that all you are? Once people get out of that (straight as well as non straight) then I think the world will be a better place. Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:46:00 - [40] Give me a break ffs, lets just give every deviant a podium then. When we gonna get the first story of an amarr who likes to dress up as a slaver hound before he gets his buggery. Or perhaps the androgynous matari who's got DD's but hides a real weapon of mass destruction in it's sporting skin tight nex wear. I think you get the point.

Albetta Gallente Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:51:00 - [41] The existence of LGBT characters in the EVE universe is assumed. As a Bi person myself my mind just automatically fills in that part of the backstory. CCP shouldn't have to make special mention of them.I know what you want is just a small nod of recognition, but if you got it, where would it end? All these different activist groups, vegetarians, vegans, feminists, racial organizations, etc all demanding CCP to put their little slice of objective reality into the lore until it is filled with sloppily thrown together bits of affirmative action drivel. I play EVE to escape reality, and I would hate to have to pick little tendrils of it out just to enjoy the game I love.
Enkidu Uruksen Wakizashi Renaissance	Posted - 2011.07.21 22:55:00 - [42] OK, if they get some lovin' from CCP, I demand more representation for atheist cryptanalyst scuba-diving grandfathers in EVE! Why are we getting dissed!!??!
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:03:00 - [43] Edited by: Digital Messiah on 21/07/2011 23:04:37 I am all for free expression of sexuality. Hell I have supported the movement, been to fund raisers, have many friends "LGBT", but at no point is someone else required to support your life style and choices. If they do so, that is of their own free will. As you would wish to have the free will of your own to have your choices. So don't ask CCP to change their immersion or storyline because you disagree. Instead Role play as you like, and you won't be persecuted. A lot of the storyline in eve, as already pointed out, is hetero. That is just the immersion of the game and its storyline. You wouldn't ask to change the history books to make ** Germany more fabulous would you? And after this they will probably add the tragic story of two forsaken lovers of the amarr empire. Running away from the throne worlds to be in the accepting understanding gallente frontier! I don't understand why we have to have a love story, soft core erotica, or sexual preferences, hetero or otherwise, in the storyline. But it will probably be there to sate the desires of the community. Of course now I want the forbidden love story of an amarrian slaver and minmatar slave in there as well . Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"**
Beat General	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:17:00 - [44] dunno about you, but I find the gaylente pretty homo. -general levy
quigibow	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:27:00 - [45] Originally by: Akita T Let's see... Pseudo-orthodox christian Amarr ? You just know non-heterosexuality is not tolerated. well unless they are clergy right? then its ok with all those alter boys...
Malachor Jankor	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:29:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. Yet another reason I'm glad I chose Gallente and not Caldari.
Winters Chill Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:34:00 - [47] Edited by: Winters Chill on 21/07/2011 23:35:56 Heth likes his butter power tops.
Darkside007	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:40:00 - [48] I will never understand gay men. Or straight women. (But I'm glad the latter exist) (I'm saying dudes are ugly is what I'm saying) Actually on-topic: I demand a Quebecois Gallante origin tree. The Gallante are French in origin, but I only care about some relatively insignificant part of my identity so I DEMAND CCP INCLUDE IT THEY ARE A MINORITY TOO.
Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.07.21 23:41:00 - [49] I never did find anything so abhorrent about straight myself. Signature removed. blah blah whine whine. navigator Funny how you didn't care until you fell for a forum troll and decided to take that out on someone.
Maiia Arlenne	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Abrazzar EVE is teen rated. Sex does not exist. Correct. Here in the US everyone is completely sexless until the age of 18, at which point the skies open and Jesus points his finger down from the heavens and magically bestows upon us the Sacrament of Adulthood, where we can then suddenly vote and watch or participate in ****, but for some reason can't drink alcohol for three more years. Yeah, I don't understand it either.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:09:00 - [51] Originally by: quigibow Originally by: Akita T Let's see... [...] Pseudo-orthodox christian Amarr ? You just know non-heterosexuality is not tolerated. [...] well unless they are clergy right? then its ok with all those alter boys... No, noooo... those are *catholic* christian with those "problems". The orthodox have different rules. No celibacy for the orthodox clergy, they're actually expected to get married before being "put into office" and also have as large of a family as they can manage. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Cipher7	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:23:00 - [52] Edited by: Cipher7 on 22/07/2011 00:23:31 Originally by: Kyo Haku It's because we DO exist. Taking the big one is not an identity and people like you annoy everybody by trying to invent one. Today you like the sausage, maybe tommorrow you like the clam. Love is love, limiting yourself to one body part is stupid, maybe you meet the love of your life and they have vagina, what you gonna say? Identity is individual, not group of loud self-fabricated "minority." Homosexuality began as wanting freedom to love whoever. Now it's just bunch of annoying tards who think sucking pee pee is a race.
Sekhmet Neteret Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:29:00 - [53] check the old fanfests, you will find a skit they did with some agents, one of whom was most certainly not "straight"
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:30:00 - [54] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel There are a handful of recorded alternative-sexuality characters within EVE lore. Certain of the chronicles -- In the Electric Museum in particular -- make mention of this. It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied I hope that at least the writers don't start trying too hard to be "diversive" so much that instead of being part of the story, the diversity elements appear to be something that the story is wrapped around. This ends up in crappy narratives and character backgrounds with damage to the plot, and a reader can tell what the auther was really trying to do. If a character in an Eve chronicle just happens to be GLBT and an element thereof is part of the story, fine. But iif that's the whole story, and it's all about the usual cliches of intolerance, religion, etc (when in fact, most of humanity does have better things to worry and think about), then it's going to make the chronicles start feeling like listening to those narratives on NPR.
Teala Te'Jir Amarr Mr. Benjamin Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:42:00 - [55] In EVE lore Ni-Kunni men can have more than one wife. I believe I also read somewhere that Ni-Kunni do not look down upon bi-sexuality and or same-sex relationships as long as the male can provide for those that he has relationships with. Can't remember where I read this, but I am pretty sure I read it while doing research for my fan novel based on the EVE Universe.
Wyke Mossari Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:45:00 - [56] You are mistaken, you need to pay closer attention to the lore. While rarely explicit there is a lesbian couple, a gay priest, a paedophile, a polyamorous swinger, a debaucher, prostitutes/sex slaves, a gay Gallente politician and a polyandrous Empress.
Woodman2	Posted - 2011.07.22 00:48:00 - [57] What about all the female characters in the game that are controlled by men? I see it as virtual cross dressing...
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:07:00 - [58] Please CCP, keep sexual inuendo's out of your literature! Empyeran Age was great as it is. Still reading Burning Life!
Mors Sanctitatis	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:17:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel There are a handful of recorded alternative-sexuality characters within EVE lore. Certain of the chronicles -- In the Electric Museum in particular -- make mention of this. It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied More hot girl on girl action please. - I'm a pirate trapped in a pirate's body.
Haruki Tekitsu	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:27:00 - [60] Its a game, no need for the poofter stuff. Simples

quigibow	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:31:00 - [61] Originally by: Haruki Tekitsu Its a game, no need for the poofter stuff. Simples you sir are a JACKA$$
Le Sabre Gallente Air Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.22 01:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: quigibow Originally by: Akita T Let's see... [...] Pseudo-orthodox christian Amarr ? You just know non-heterosexuality is not tolerated. [...] well unless they are clergy right? then its ok with all those alter boys... No, noooo... those are *catholic* christian with those "problems". The orthodox have different rules. No celibacy for the orthodox clergy, they're actually expected to get married before being "put into office" and also have as large of a family as they can manage. Also, its not what it appears to be, in fact its apparently the only way to 'tune' the choir, no tuning fork required. Proud participant in the great "Trade hub lock down" of 24th june 2011. We control OUR game CCP!!!
nahtoh Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.22 02:06:00 - [63] Edited by: nahtoh on 22/07/2011 02:12:54 Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. It's because we DO exist. Like I said, I don't expect every other character to love teh caulk. All I'm asking for is an honorable mention. If sexuality has no relevance to the story- IE: escaping from a shipwreck, it shouldn't be included. AT ALL. But if it's a club/bar scene, it's expected that the character will notice/be noticed. Why? Or to put it in words that at least one gay person I know uses "flamming queens annoy the crap out of me". Granted he got rafts of crap about it and a fair amount of that was from me... Nobody needs to take notice your sexual prefs (within reason before any buddy jumps in on this), hell we don't need to notice you exist. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.07.22 03:51:00 - [64] Edited by: Raid''En on 22/07/2011 03:53:14 Originally by: nahtoh Or to put it in words that at least one gay person I know uses "flamming queens annoy the crap out of me". not the same thing. he's asking for a little sign. not for some clichT gays it could be a guy on a bar checking girls and seeing a man looking him a bit too much for example. it's just 1-2 lines on the big story. and it's enough.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.22 03:57:00 - [65] I guess I'm just a little confused. I didn't need to have it expressly written in the lore to assume that homosexuals exist in such a large and diverse galaxy as what EvE is portrayed in. Sometimes I wonder if the call for such 'pandering' of either race, creed, sexuality or social status, even in fiction such as this, isn't more about a persons own fear of not being important that it truly is about equality. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:11:00 - [66] Edited by: Alpheias on 22/07/2011 04:17:27 The LGBT debate has really turned into looking a little extra at the kid in class because he or she is special, wearing a special helmet, and making special gurgling noises through that special mouth of theirs. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
Love hammer	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:12:00 - [67] So who is having sex exactly. I'm not seeing any sort of avatar interaction on the screen. Sure I've seen a couple of drakes bump into each other, (is that what you're talking about?) This game isn't straight, it isn't gay. It isn't islam, it isn't christian, it isn't jewish, it isn't republican, it isn't democrat, it isn't communist, it isn't fascist. It's an internet spaceship game. Stop trying to bend my game to your own personal and political interests. Find another soap box.
BeastlyRage The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:20:00 - [68] PLZ NO GAY! OH GOD NO! Also I think this is the only time in the world I can LEGITIMATELY say OP IS A F*G
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:25:00 - [69] Originally by: BeastlyRage PLZ NO GAY! OH GOD NO! Also I think this is the only time in the world I can LEGITIMATELY say OP IS A F*G Everything about you, your face, your name, is Gay. A song that explains everything to you. ♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:27:00 - [70] Originally by: BeastlyRage PLZ NO GAY! OH GOD NO! Also I think this is the only time in the world I can LEGITIMATELY say OP IS A F*G you look pretty gay perhaps in denial.

Storm X4	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Abrazzar EVE is teen rated. Sex does not exist. Eve is a online mmo, the teen rating goes out the window with the online experience as said in the rating. lol Ratings mean nothing on a MMO. If it makes money they will do it. They could even bump up the rating when walking in stations is social. Besides nobody under 18 who play's eve that I even know. And I been playing eve for years and years. WoW is teen rated but can be very suggestive with themes. I am talked to suggestively now and then around friends. I'm in my 20's, all my corp mates are in their 20's. The things that go on in the chat window makes this game rated "M". :P LMAO Local is always rated M too. Guess you been in a box or something or are anti social. Because this game is more mature then its rated for. Its a petty dark evil game too. Very dark for a teen rated game and for all of its market items such as drugs and beer and prostitutes and violence in the game with a lot of death and corpses in space... If you really think about it eve is a pretty mature game for a teen rated game. Rating doesn't mean nothing on a online game.
Utremi Fasolasi Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.07.22 04:48:00 - [72] Originally by: ovenproofjet Did you forget about... This is genius.
Inara 5	Posted - 2011.07.22 05:45:00 - [73] Uh, the 10 ton elephant in the room: ... Maybe LGBT was some kind of disorder and they "fixed" it?
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2011.07.22 05:58:00 - [74] Originally by: Kyo Haku but I do ask for at least an acknowledgement of gay/lesbian/bi/trans people existing in the universe. ... I am curious if anyone else has noticed the same thing, or if there's a reason for it. Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. I don't care who they sleep with, and I don't even care if they get married, but continuously professing pride in sexuality is just as annoying as "latino pride" or "white pride." Originally by: Lady Spank Minorities are often loud because they are championing diversity against a great deal of prejudice. Try to be respectful of people's right to promote their lifestyles. Of course a lot of rabble rabble is also seen by extremists so it's understandable that most lifestyle pride is met with little tolerance. How about just live your lifestyle and quit trying to promote it to people that don't care either way? You wanna be proud of yourself? Fine whatever getting in someone's and/or trying to force something upon someone else is just going to **** people off.
Uuali	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:00:00 - [75] Edited by: Uuali on 22/07/2011 06:01:17 Why oh why do we need to stick gay stuff into a game or book? If gay et al is put in a story or game it therefore becomes gay fiction/cinema aimed at gay et al people. Nobody but gay et al people want to read about those kind of relationships. Straight people can't identify with it. Just because the norm, by nature, is male/female doesn't mean gay et al people are counted out. If you are turned off by hetro chic too bad. Maybe among capsuleers it is don't ask, don't tell? The black thing is a problem but hey, I think the only reason they made the Brutor black for real instead of just a vaguely hispanic skin tone is because CCP opened an office right here in the epicenter of black America ù Atlanta, Georgia (and especially the Stone Mountain area). It's the same reason they did the asian races when they opened an office in China.
Ryder Maximous	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:01:00 - [76] Please come to dantan so we may prey away the gay
Kerrio DiSantis	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:24:00 - [77] I hestitated to even read a thread with a title like this, and my first thought after reading the OP's posting was 'Oh no, not another one!'. My personal opinion is that homosexuality may exist or may not. I don't care if whatever they do is behind closed doors and not in front of me. If, let's say, a chronicle depicts a male Caldari CEO or some other higher-up being into men and facing repercussions, so be it. It may be the base for something worthwile to read, but, that's about the extent I'd want to read. Ingame, Gallente may be the most open minded, maybe followed by Minmatar. On the other hand, Caldari may frown upon such things just because they don't fit into their orderly worldview and Amarr may just detest everything concerning sexuality. That's as far as I want to know. But before delving into 'paths less traveled' concerning sexuality, so to speak, I think it would be interesting to explore how the life(-cycle) of a capsuleer influences such a basic biological function? Easiest thing to say would be that the pod goo contains some hormones which eradicate feeling such urges, but even that may be the cause for other problems. ... but somehow I get the feeling that it wouldn't be that easy. And on a side note, I just can't imagine a female capsuleer taking a few months/years of maternity leave... :)
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 06:27:00 - [78] Originally by: Inara 5 Uh, the 10 ton elephant in the room: ... Maybe LGBT was some kind of disorder and they "fixed" it? Sup Revrend. Didn't expect to see you here.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.22 07:12:00 - [79] I've read quite a few of the short stories posted on eveonline.com, and i've never seen any stories involving straight relations. Why should gay/lesbioan/etc people be 'represented' when straight people arnt? For all you know, every character in eve lore was gay. I don't think a videogame company should be expected to 'represent' the gay community. Its a videogame, and they're focusing on spaceships and guns, not frotting. Its not a matter of 'hiding the fact theres gay people out there" or worrying that we're going to turn our kids gay... its just the fact its a spaceship game and not a space opera/drama.
Heroltior Ghedonia	Posted - 2011.07.22 08:13:00 - [80] Edited by: Heroltior Ghedonia on 22/07/2011 08:14:03 Why does there have to be "sexuality" in this GAME. You are a space ship. Some look like p34ises and flying potatos... Other than that, who gives a ****?

James Moroci	Posted - 2011.07.22 08:18:00 - [81] Ghey people allready take fare to much space. i dont get why they want so much exposure.. i as hetero dont go around sayinng heyyyy look at me im all streight!!! and proud.. i find it doll and lame..
Gerald Taric	Posted - 2011.07.22 11:52:00 - [82] First of all .. we are playing a game. A game somehow based on gaining and loosing territorial and/or economy power/influence. Sexuality does not matter, if someone needs to blow up a hostile spaceship :). It (usually) doesn't matter either, if someone is trading goods against ISK. A lack of mention of gay people - in my humble optinion - is no discrimination, as long as is is not done with bad intention. And it has already been stated, that they obviously are some non-straight story NPCs. I'm 100% sure, that there are many gay people playing Eve. Round about 7% of mankind are gay. Where ever you go - the 7% are present. We can assume, that also in a fictional universe like EVE there are these 7%. It is not very likely, that every new embryo in the universe of EVE is scanned for possible genetic distinctiveness. If someone want's to play a charackter being homosexual, /he/she/it it free to do so. He is able to claim having a beloved boyfriend, and she is able to claim having a beloved girlfriend. "It" is also free to claim being sexless/undefined. All is good. The only thing remaining is the fact, that when creating your Avatar, a male avatar could neither paint his face like a woman nor could he wear a dress. But please keep three things in mind: Being gay does not imply the necessity of acting like the other gender. A biological man, feeling themselfs mentaly being a woman is a transgender ... an other case. When CCP creates a dress, they would have to test, if it also fit's to male avatars -> "double work to be done". And Unfortunatelly there are still countries with ultraconservative people, who would attack anything, which has something to to with homosexuality Therefore in my humble opionion it it okay and enough, that there are some story NPCs at last mentioning homosexuality in a (hopefully) not negative context.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.22 13:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. It's because we DO exist. Like I said, I don't expect every other character to love teh caulk. All I'm asking for is an honorable mention. If sexuality has no relevance to the story- IE: escaping from a shipwreck, it shouldn't be included. AT ALL. But if it's a club/bar scene, it's expected that the character will notice/be noticed. Something i dont understand about gays and leads me to believe its a disease: 1) the necessity of being noticed 2) the necessity of putting sexual comments/behavior above anything else 3) acing as the opposite sex If you are gay, its ok, go live your life. Do you see hetero players demanding sex content in game? I would like to know why gay people speech is about sex and only sex. Don't you guys think of anything else in this world besides someones rear?
Oceanic Symphony	Posted - 2011.07.22 13:08:00 - [84] Edited by: Oceanic Symphony on 22/07/2011 13:08:25 Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. Not every form of media, just those interested in presenting a credible version of reality. If you're happier denying the existence of inconvenient realities, and believing in whatever made-up nonsense you profess faith in, then you're welcome to it. I wonder - is there a market for The Bible RPG? Can't see it personally, but then I'm disturbingly sane.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.22 14:02:00 - [85] Thread cleaned of inappropriate posts. Please discuss the subject without being insulting. Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

De'Veldrin Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.22 14:07:00 - [86] Originally by: Abrazzar EVE is teen rated. Sex does not exist. Which just goes to show that teens are sorely misunderstand by the people who make ratings. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Niklas III	Posted - 2011.07.22 14:27:00 - [87] I demand my furry lifestyle be included in the eve lore.
Crasniya	Posted - 2011.07.22 14:29:00 - [88] Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Kyo Haku but I do ask for at least an acknowledgement of gay/lesbian/bi/trans people existing in the universe. ... I am curious if anyone else has noticed the same thing, or if there's a reason for it. I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. I don't care who they sleep with, and I don't even care if they get married, but continuously professing pride in sexuality is just as annoying as "latino pride" or "white pride." This. I have many GBLT friends, my ex was bi. But to be frank, there's like 3.5% of society that is gay, yet due to whining if they're not a gay character in a show, there's like 30% of characters on TV are now gay. Characters that are NOT gay (Captain Jack Harkness, Torchwood), are suddenly being used expressly for gay scenes. I'm not homophobic, just feel that people take things way too far.
Nehmen Geld	Posted - 2011.07.22 14:47:00 - [89] There are no people of G/L/B/T persuasion in EVE. They all paid a few Aurum to buy a body that fits their sexual orientation. :)
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.07.22 14:56:00 - [90] wouldnt it make some sort of storyline sense if the jove were all gay?

Cage Shadownsun Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.22 15:08:00 - [91] How many of you knew Dumbledore was actually gay? It IS possible to have an LGBT character in a book/story/lore without expressly mentioning it (in my opinion, if they make a bit deal out of it, it turns it more into a "LOOK AT ME!" kind of category instead of actually being true to the character). This might well be the case in EVE!
Ingvar Angst Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United	Posted - 2011.07.22 15:16:00 - [92] Wow... CCP ignores the chats concerning the insanity of removing ABC ores from wormholes, something gamebreaking for many, yet jump right into threads about this. There is no monocle.
Albetta Gallente Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.07.22 15:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Dr Fighter wouldnt it make some sort of storyline sense if the jove were all gay? You ever read The Forever War? To control population growth, all humans are genetically altered at birth to be homosexual, and babies are grown in test tubes.That isn't the whole plot of the book, just a small detail, but it actually sounds like it could work.
Homo Erectus Evolution The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.07.22 15:38:00 - [94] I APPROVE OF THIS THREAD
Youth Mentor Bear	Posted - 2011.07.22 15:42:00 - [95] Hi, I'm 12 and what is this?
Gerald Taric	Posted - 2011.07.22 15:59:00 - [96] Originally by: Maverick2011 Something i dont understand about gays and leads me to believe its a disease: 1) the necessity of being noticed 2) the necessity of putting sexual comments/behavior above anything else 3) acing as the opposite sex This three issues only applies to a fractional amount of them. For example i know a guy for many years now, and get knowledge of his being homosexual (he told me) as recently as one year. There was no clue the time before. If you read something in the press or see something on TV about gay people, be aware, that this news shown there are shown because of being a kind of sensation, something extraordinary besides the daily "usualness". The fewest want to watch "usualness" on TV. You will most probably see the "exotic individuals" on TV - for example dressed with extraordinarily colored "clothes" with feather boa, speaking with high-pitched voices (got i all prejudices ? ) and so on, but ... they do NOT represent the majority of the homosexual people, which you will rarely recognize at your daily walk through any town.
Simetraz	Posted - 2011.07.22 16:01:00 - [97] If writers have the freedom to write as they choose, and develop the characters as they choose then there are no issues. Which is what they have. Now if you start telling them they need to have so many women and so many men and so many with this type of preference and so many of that, then flat out that is wrong.
Ladie Scarlet GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.22 19:07:00 - [98] It's nice that all the bigots feel so free to post their bile.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.22 19:34:00 - [99] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 22/07/2011 19:36:56 Originally by: Information Agent Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Jada Maroo I don't understand why every form of media has to acknowledge a certain loud, politically active 3-5% of the population. It's because we DO exist. Like I said, I don't expect every other character to love teh caulk. All I'm asking for is an honorable mention. If sexuality has no relevance to the story- IE: escaping from a shipwreck, it shouldn't be included. AT ALL. But if it's a club/bar scene, it's expected that the character will notice/be noticed. Does every single 'alternate lifestyle/sexuality/whatever else' person on the planet suddenly deserve a round of applause and recognition all of a sudden for being different from generic assumptions? I'm having trouble fathoming what all the fuss is about tbh. The fact that they can not get equal access to the benefits that a civil union allows for is primarily their biggest complaint, in the US at least. If they had access to that then I would bet most of the hoopla would all of a sudden be turned down more then a few notches. If you do not know what a civil union allows for then you do not really understand the situation. EDIT: Also if you have ever kissed a person of the opposite sex in public, or committed any other PDA, then you have not room to complain about flamboyant homosexuals or other sexual minority groups. Exhibition is exhibition no matter which way you slice it. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
De'Veldrin Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.22 19:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Ladie Scarlet It's nice that all the bigots feel so free to post their bile. Hey hey, good men died so they could post that bile you know. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.

Ivana Twinkle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.07.22 20:12:00 - [101] My alliance is full of ***gots, that should be enough.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2011.07.22 20:41:00 - [102] Originally by: Ladie Scarlet It's nice that all the bigots feel so free to post their bile. Bigots come in all flavors. What's your point? Just because it works, doesn't mean it's not stupid.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:12:00 - [103] Why is that topic important? And Eve is rated T so it's completely irrelevant. What's next? Someone complains that none of the avatars looks like an Indian tribesman from Amazonas delta and screams "DISCRIMINATION!111!!!!1"
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:25:00 - [104] As a 46 year old middle-aged fg living 2 blocks from San Francisco's City Hall where Harvey Milk was assassinated (one can not get much gayer than THAT), I have this to say: The EVE Universe OBVIOUSLY has gay citizens everywhere. It is assumed. Even in the game's races that forbid it or whatever in the storyline....IT EXISTS. There is ABSOLUTELY no need to specifically nail down EVERY sub-group within a society for the sake of a storyline. Not necessary here. Hell, I don't really care at all that I am not 'represented' in ways that some may want to be. Just be careful what you ask for because: THIS IS HOW WE GOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN VULCANS !!!* Again, be careful what you ask for. ************ "I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:32:00 - [105] Everyone knows that the Gallente are all a bunch of rampaging sexual deviants. Everyone knows that the Amarr probably practice extensive paedophilia especially in their places of worship. It says a lot about the players that play those races and you should all be ashamed.
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:38:00 - [106] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Everyone knows that the Gallente are all a bunch of rampaging sexual deviants. Everyone knows that the Amarr probably practice extensive paedophilia especially in their places of worship. It says a lot about the players that play those races and you should all be ashamed. Please delete this crap. ************ "I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein
Nimrod Nemesis Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:41:00 - [107] Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor THIS IS HOW WE GOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN VULCANS !!! Tuvok, the jar-jar binks of ST?
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:44:00 - [108] Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 22/07/2011 21:45:19 Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor. Do the Bukkake parties become too much for your skin Caldari?
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:48:00 - [109] These are the people that play EVE. Why is there any sex in this game? It's creepy and lame. We had a guy in FNA who did nothing but 'cyber' constantly in chat. Yes, there are sexual deviant weirdos on the Internet. No, CCP shouldn't cater its game to them. Want to buy a monocle?
Teehee Imagurl	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:54:00 - [110] looking forward to the next chronicle being a detailed description of an inter-factional orgy with every possible flavour of sexual activity taking place.

Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:56:00 - [111] Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor Originally by: Hannibal Ord Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 22/07/2011 21:45:19 Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor. Do the Bukkake parties become too much for your skin Caldari? Reported. Look man, what you do behind close doors is fine...and possibly too long we have not gone into detail about the sexual tendencies of each race. It's time to break some Taboo's and I know you Caldari are very uptight to the rest of us races but I've been to Jita dude and I've bought Holoreels and seen that Caldari **** stuff and you guys are into some serious group dirty sexy time. Don't be offended so much by the truth. We all know Caldari love the Bukkake, it's an offshoot from all being once Gallente so it's understandable you share some of their "unusual" practices.
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order	Posted - 2011.07.22 21:57:00 - [112] If your deviant nature defines the whole of your being to such an extent you need a head check period. The game does not need to cater and should not cater to such things or risk losing it's identity in the first place. There is quite a bit of irony over being butt hurt when you're a master of colonic disaster.
CptConorado Amarr Vengeance Imperium The Remnant Legion	Posted - 2011.07.22 22:45:00 - [113] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Everyone knows that the Gallente are all a bunch of rampaging sexual deviants. Everyone knows that the Amarr probably practice extensive paedophilia especially in their places of worship. It says a lot about the players that play those races and you should all be ashamed. Confirming I am an extensive pedophile. ________________________________________________ Some say the universe is almost full of honest people, well I say the universe is full of almost honest people. -Unknown
SilentSkills Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.22 22:48:00 - [114] Who cares that the stories and the characters are straight or not? Though lesbian sex stories should appear in chronicles imo The Monocle Definition CCP - Originally by: Imuran Cannot code properly
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.07.22 22:53:00 - [115] Originally by: SilentSkills Who cares that the stories and the characters are straight or not? Though lesbian sex stories should appear in chronicles imo sounds like you care...
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.22 22:58:00 - [116] Originally by: CptConorado Originally by: Hannibal Ord Everyone knows that the Gallente are all a bunch of rampaging sexual deviants. Everyone knows that the Amarr probably practice extensive paedophilia especially in their places of worship. It says a lot about the players that play those races and you should all be ashamed. Confirming I am an extensive pedophile. You filthy bastard.
Xenuria Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.07.22 23:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Akita T Let's see... Jovians... I don't even think they know what sex is anymore. Heavily Japanese-influenced Caldari honour-bound culture ? If any non-hetero behaviour exists, it's repressed. Pseudo-orthodox christian Amarr ? You just know non-heterosexuality is not tolerated. Tribal Minmatar ? Oh, do I have to go there ? So that leaves only the Gallente. Gallente should be (at least theoretically) pretty laissez-faire as far as sexuality goes. If you get any non-heterosexual stories going, chances are it will be from there. Correct. The gallente would be probably the only source of this sort of stuff. Gallente are into body modification and gender augmentation. So according to the lore its common for gallente to be trans or even hermaphroditic. This is normal for gallente. Which is one of the reasons the amarr and caldari hate them so much. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.23 01:45:00 - [118] This is stupid. I for one am tired of gays everywhere i turn. Next thing it will be a hate crime to kill them in game. Just keep the gay 5h!t to yourself and fly internet spaceships.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.07.23 01:51:00 - [119] Originally by: Abrazzar EVE is teen rated. Sex does not exist. i r sad :(
Zarah Jade	Posted - 2011.07.23 03:13:00 - [120] Edited by: Zarah Jade on 23/07/2011 03:14:46 Originally by: stoicfaux Turns out homosexuality really was genetic after all and those genes were/are removed in utero via Eve's Uber-Cloning, Genetics, and/or Brain-Manipulation (implants) technology? OTOH, if that were true, men in eve wouldn't be follicly challenged. they are not follicly challenged. they are being retro.

Vaarkk Caldari Caldari Provisions - PvP Division	Posted - 2011.07.23 04:23:00 - [121] So how about we worry about something that matters, like the fact we cant fit smartbombs to our pods?
Max Keitt Keitt Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.07.23 04:57:00 - [122] Originally by: Feligast It's okay to be Takei. Gold. ~+=+~ TQ Power Supplies Learning to PVP
Adonis Peverell	Posted - 2011.07.23 05:24:00 - [123] Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor THIS IS HOW WE GOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN VULCANS !!! Again, be careful what you ask for. Oh come on, Tuvok was a beast. Voyager isn't half as bad as people assume...Just my two cents on this very relevant debate :D
Boom Boom Longtime	Posted - 2011.07.23 05:30:00 - [124] Posting to say I am beautiful and in two days the doctor says I am able to have unprotected sex again without risks to my partner
BunNie0fthelaw	Posted - 2011.07.23 07:06:00 - [125] Originally by: CCP Maiden Steel There are a handful of recorded alternative-sexuality characters within EVE lore. Certain of the chronicles -- In the Electric Museum in particular -- make mention of this. It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; Gallente culture is said to be far more openminded to it. If you're referring to a lack of characters used in fiction pieces who are anything other than straight... you're right, we don't use them very much, and this should be remedied
Ehdward Caldari Nex Exercitus Raiden.	Posted - 2011.07.23 08:43:00 - [126] Quotas are stupid. And who cares about sex? More spaceships and lasers please.
Nat'han Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.07.23 08:48:00 - [127] there are ppl in eve cos ive seen there chat channel cant remember wat is called might be somethink like GLBT room. And ofc you have the Fat man and his slave boys.
Haruki Tekitsu	Posted - 2011.07.23 09:39:00 - [128] Edited by: Haruki Tekitsu on 23/07/2011 09:39:26 "Yeah EVE I know that game. It's the one with with gay bars and trannies walking around space stations wearing monocles. Wasnt it about space ships once?"
Assaj Ventress	Posted - 2011.07.23 15:00:00 - [129] Gays are great, CCP put promotions of the gay way of life on the login screen. -----------------
Kira Bellum Amarr Schwarzwald Homeland	Posted - 2011.07.23 15:11:00 - [130] Just look at the geddon design..... dont tell me the old amarr religious fanatics arent secretly obsessed with the *****.

Aerethir Gallente Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.23 15:19:00 - [131] Confirming being a flaming hot Gallente :P http://aerethir.wordpress.com/
KaarBaak Minmatar No Option Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.23 15:39:00 - [132] Originally by: Boom Boom Longtime Posting to say I am beautiful and in two days the doctor says I am able to have unprotected sex again without risks to my partner Looking at your avatar pic, all I can think of is that Austin Powers line: "She's a man, man!" Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
Ische Qou Amarr Ische Shipbuilding Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.23 16:16:00 - [133] Fat guy in Empyrian age is a pretty cool guy, he's my r(le model now.
Speaker4 theDead Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.23 17:54:00 - [134] Seriously, I really don't care who or what you do in your spare time, but I really see no reason to inject it into a GAME. I don't require my avatar to get a big sausage everytime he sees a hot pic on another avatar, I prefer to leave that in my REAL LIFE. Current Subscription6 Months- Canceled Account Expires09 August 2011 - 4:04 am (in 18 days)
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.23 18:23:00 - [135] Originally by: Speaker4 theDead Seriously, I really don't care who or what you do in your spare time, but I really see no reason to inject it into a GAME. I don't require my avatar to get a big sausage everytime he sees a hot pic on another avatar, I prefer to leave that in my REAL LIFE. problem is gays seem to belive is if they arent in a constant state of "out" screaming it at the top of their lungs they arent gay enough. there is no need for it in eve.
Hira Nataka	Posted - 2011.07.23 18:35:00 - [136] Just a personal observation, but I find it interesting how minorities get mad because they are discriminated against and treated as "abnormal" yet they insist upon shoving their differences right in everyone's face. If you wish to be "accepted" into society, why the hell would you try to draw everyone's attention to those things which make you different on an hourly basis? I am not saying you should hide what you are, but why would you scream about how you are being discriminated against because the latest sitcom on tv doesn't have a token gay or a token asian or a token black? Do whites (other than neo **s or ) get ***ed because on BET they have tv shows with all blacks and no whites? Why not just be a member of society and stop looking for everyone to incorporate what you feel to be the defining points of your sub culture into every goddam aspect of society? That being said, I support gay rights, my sister is a lesbian and I have no issues with the thought of her getting married even if I don't agree with homosexuality on a personal level. But she isn't a lesbian who runs around dressed like a man, or waving rainbow streamers around screaming about how she loves being gay. She lives her life with her life partner, and doesn't force herself on anyone else while at the same time not hiding who she is either. THAT is how it should be in my opinion.
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2011.07.23 18:53:00 - [137] fun fact: Kaikka Peunato (guristas officer) is gay. _ Got Item? \| EVE API? \| Cache?
Protogem Sol	Posted - 2011.07.23 19:02:00 - [138] Edited by: Protogem Sol on 23/07/2011 19:02:50 If this isnt a BIG deal for you then stfu, why do you gays always insist on injecting your filth into every aspect of our lives? THIS IS WHY WE HATE YOU, you cant leave ANYTHING ALONE!!!!! Tired of this bull****
Marshiro	Posted - 2011.07.23 20:08:00 - [139] Edited by: Marshiro on 23/07/2011 20:09:47 SEX IS ABSURD in a world of brainjacked immortals. It is unnecessary for reproduction (hits the cloning tanks), nor for pleasure (my pod have been modified to enhance pleasure far beyond what biology allows). With that kind of technology, sex is just outdated and utterly irrelevant behavior only fit for low class people. Frankly, you don't know what you are missing until you've felt, with every nerve in your body, a microwarpdriving stabber ramming you while hitting you in all the right places with well place placed 220mm emp shots.
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.07.23 20:13:00 - [140] Originally by: Marshiro With that kind of technology, sex is just outdated and utterly irrelevant behavior only fit for low class people. wow, you are a true romantic :)

gargars	Posted - 2011.07.23 20:28:00 - [141] Originally by: Protogem Sol Edited by: Protogem Sol on 23/07/2011 19:02:50 If this isnt a BIG deal for you then stfu, why do you gays always insist on injecting your filth into every aspect of our lives? THIS IS WHY WE HATE YOU, you cant leave ANYTHING ALONE!!!!! Tired of this bull**** Wow you have issues don't you? The op just asked about simple representation in Eve lore at some point. How this became his trying to 'inject his filth into every aspect of your life' is beyond me.
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.23 20:39:00 - [142] Originally by: Protogem Sol Edited by: Protogem Sol on 23/07/2011 19:02:50 If this isnt a BIG deal for you then stfu, why do you gays always insist on injecting your filth into every aspect of our lives? THIS IS WHY WE HATE YOU,........YADDA YADDA YADDA YADDA YADDA YADDA You KNOW what they say about those who 'doeth protest too much', do you not ? You're a sad one that's for sure. Fling that door open. Come on.....that's right, just give that knob a little twist........ ************ "I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein
Tautut The Union Of The Snake	Posted - 2011.07.23 23:05:00 - [143] Originally by: Akita T Let's see... Pseudo-orthodox christian Amarr ? You just know non-heterosexuality is not tolerated. /RP-ON Neither is hetrosexuality. It's usual during the 'coming of age' ceremony for young Amarrians to be handed a small plastic beaker and a turkey baster. You're not encouraged to get close. /RP-OFF The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
Sgt Maru Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.07.24 03:16:00 - [144] I'm sure there's a popular Caldari holoreel called "Guristas Girls Only" or something along those lines. Space lesbians (or even better space pirate lesbians) is such a big market there's no way it could be left untapped. Hmm, might have to start writing about some sort of forbidden romance between my Minmatar industrial pilot and this one. Societies bound by traditions, laws, and standards, caught on opposite sides of war that neither wanted, etc. etc. etc.
Tuggboat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.24 05:43:00 - [145] Sex in a sandbox and gay sex to boot, what will they think of next. Everybody here is gay, wives were left behind, GF's were booted out of the ships. Female clones were engineered for nostalgia. Ask in any alliance chat and they will tell you your gay, you just didn't know yet. All along you been livin lies. Only lady avatars have a real grip on things. Eve is all about gayness. Pirates are gay too GM said so: Quote: It's been suggested that non-straight behaviour is strongly discouraged within the Caldari State, hence a notable proportion of pirate-faction Caldari NPCs with alternative sexualities; See not only are caldari gay but pirates especially. But we knew that. We just need a GM to tell us things are working as intended.
Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.24 05:57:00 - [146] Jovians... beyond that unstable, regressive behaviour Heavily Japanese-influenced Caldari honour-bound culture ? Completely uncontrolled by society, as a safety valve due to control being so strong in every other area of life. Pseudo-orthodox christian Amarr ? Ostensibly forbidden, actually just hidden and twisted up by that. Tribal Minmatar ? Tell me, soldier, do you eat oysters? Allow me to oil your biceps. Gallente? So open and permissive that making an issue of it would look strange. Just quietly, in matriarchies, there is no open homosexuality. An individual is as perverse as their society makes them feel, this is because the only unbreakable taboo is that the social group regulates sexuality. A hermit cannot be either decent or indecent, until s/he makes contact with others.
Ku Feym	Posted - 2011.07.24 06:16:00 - [147] Well, I hate to say it but Incarna is the new GAY. Those new adverts are just FABULOUS! Check out those fashions! And those shoes! Forget those nasty spaceships. Time to get with it and walk that CQ runway!
Celestia Alland	Posted - 2011.07.24 06:39:00 - [148] This is one of the most stupid posts on the forums ever. Who cares if you like to suck ****? This is a friggin game, stop pushing your screwed up lifestyle on those of us who don't like it. You obviously have nothing bettter to do.
Minghau	Posted - 2011.07.24 06:42:00 - [149] Originally by: Celestia Alland This is one of the most stupid posts on the forums ever. Who cares if you like to suck ****? This is a friggin game, stop pushing your screwed up lifestyle on those of us who don't like it. You obviously have nothing bettter to do. +1
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.07.24 07:18:00 - [150] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 24/07/2011 07:21:56 Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 24/07/2011 07:21:13 Heterosexual relationships are mentioned as a matter of course everywhere. You people asking the OP "why" and flaming the subject of this thread...are hypocrites. Why are you not asking CCP and the world in general to stop shoving heterosexuality in your face? Why are you not asking yourselves, is your heterosexuality the one thing that defines you? Why are you such a loud majority? On-topic: Quote: I can sorta understand the caldari not liking non-hetero relationships (no new members of society). I don't understand this, unless the impression I'm under--that many of the State's citizens are tube children--is false. P.S. ITT: A lot of homophobia and heterosexism... P.P.S. If this thread had been started by someone with a female character, you would all be cracking jokes about fapping to lesbians. _____________________________ [Sebiestor and Intaki: still stripped of their visual identities.]

Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2011.07.24 07:33:00 - [151] Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 24/07/2011 07:34:45 Heterosexuality is the norm. Most people don't "push" it, they just take it for granted. If you want to be abnormal that's your right, but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Edit- Leaving important words out FTW. -Just because something works, doesn't mean it's not stupid.
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.07.24 07:36:00 - [152] why the **** is this thread still on page one. stop bumping this bickering, just drop it. who cares.
spiked amarr Hysera.	Posted - 2011.07.24 07:52:00 - [153] What about this? Eve def needs this added in the Lore.
Dalloway Jones	Posted - 2011.07.24 08:16:00 - [154] These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins.
Sirius Sagesinger	Posted - 2011.07.24 08:53:00 - [155] Oh,for God's sake! Where are Back Door Bandit and the Minmatar Gay Rights League when needed for comment. Huh! The young kids these days! SS ------------------------- Vade retro Satana!
Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.24 08:55:00 - [156] Originally by: Dalloway Jones These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins. Wouldn't be any fun any other way.
Warboss Rotgrub	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:07:00 - [157] Originally by: Entity Kaikka Peunato (guristas officer) is gay. And killing and looting Kaikka offensive to gay community
A Little Girl	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:37:00 - [158] Originally by: Dalloway Jones These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins. And then you have the people who don't like gays! I kid I kid, but seriously why does it even matter? This is a computer game. Why do people feel the need to bring RL issues into a computer game? But since that is what is going on I am outraged that Jedis can't be represented in this computer game. It is an affront to my legally recognised religion. In some places.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.07.24 09:39:00 - [159] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 24/07/2011 09:42:10 Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 24/07/2011 07:34:45 Heterosexuality is the norm. Most people don't "push" it, they just take it for granted. If you want to be abnormal that's your right, but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Edit- Leaving important words out FTW. I don't expect everyone to agree with me when I choose unusual hobbies or take controversial stances of opinion. I want people who "disagree" with a basic fact of another person's being, something they do not choose, such as sexual orientation, to realize that by mature, reasonable standards their opinion on that particular subject has no respectability. I do not expect them to do so, however, because I expect nothing good from a forum populated primarily by insecure young heterosexual males (at least, they hope they're heterosexual; they would never want to be on the receiving end of the way they treat non-heterosexual persons). Originally by: A Little Girl Why do people feel the need to bring RL issues into a computer game? RL issues exist everywhere people interact, sadly. _____________________________ [Sebiestor and Intaki: still stripped of their visual identities.]
ghengis khan2 Shad0wtech	Posted - 2011.07.24 10:47:00 - [160] i dont understand why this is even an issue to anyone...were all here playing a computer game, why on earth does sexuality even pop into your heads. wtf people get a life, surely there is more to do than ponder on the sexuality of fictional characters. if everyone had their way every character in every book would be a mix of all races, and would sleep with anything it came across, while worshipping a god that was a mixture of allah/buddah/jesus and the tooth fairy.. /em rant over lol braces self

Kehro Urgus Gallente Ab Obice Saevior	Posted - 2011.07.24 10:54:00 - [161] Originally by: Kyo Haku The only mention of sexuality/gender identity I've seen is in the chronicle Faces, where the rich Caldari chick is disgusted by the thought that some people would want to get the face of the other gender. Something to note...http://eveboard.com/statistics
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.24 13:09:00 - [162] Interesting how people are completely missing the point and intention of this thread. Maybe if I had used the word "lesbian" instead of "gay" the response would have been different. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Lenore Leelu	Posted - 2011.07.24 14:18:00 - [163] Originally by: Lady Spank There needs to be more vegans in space. but then you would need vegan police.
ABig Sodd	Posted - 2011.07.24 14:22:00 - [164] Evey single Pod Pilot in EVE is in the closet. We were all put there in the last patch. There is no way of knowing who is gay,straight or asexual cause CCP wont let us open the fraking Door.
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.24 22:11:00 - [165] Originally by: Dalloway Jones These threads always devolve into a mess because of a few unevolved, backwards thinking, socially conservative thugs and cretins. funny thing about evolution. it doesnt happen in the gay community because they are unable to reproduce with sex. the only kind of evolution they do is the evolution of our souls rotting from the core. this game is about internet space ships. its not about sex. like i said earlier, if it is allowed in the next thing will be HATE CRIMES AGAINST THE GAYS IF I PK AND LAUGH. seriously can you *****s not keep your sickness to yourself. i dont care what you do with who. i dont want myself or my kids to have to deal with it.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.07.24 22:40:00 - [166] I RP gay ingame. But I blame the Empyrean Age novel, where that fat Amarr-secretery-standin-for-the-god-dude was enjoying his minmatar slaves. It made me feel like a catholic, kinda inspired my character. -
Bane Loppknow Pel Industries	Posted - 2011.07.24 22:44:00 - [167] Edited by: Bane Loppknow on 24/07/2011 22:45:19 @OP: Did you read the same Empyrean Age I did? I seem to remember some fat Amarr zealot manhandling young slave boys.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.07.24 23:15:00 - [168] Originally by: Bane Loppknow Edited by: Bane Loppknow on 24/07/2011 22:45:19 @OP: Did you read the same Empyrean Age I did? I seem to remember some fat Amarr zealot manhandling young slave boys. Originally by: Misanth I RP gay ingame. But I blame the Empyrean Age novel, where that fat Amarr-secretery-standin-for-the-god-dude was enjoying his minmatar slaves. It made me feel like a catholic, kinda inspired my character. -
Marshiro	Posted - 2011.07.24 23:42:00 - [169] I'm totally cloning myself so I can finally find someone worthy to have sex with.
Darveses Fantastulousification Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.24 23:51:00 - [170] Mhh this thread pops up on every MMO forum at some point. And I mean this very thread, with these very answers. Always goes the same way, sadly.

Nth Ares	Posted - 2011.07.25 00:56:00 - [171] Originally by: Darveses Mhh this thread pops up on every MMO forum at some point. And I mean this very thread, with these very answers. Always goes the same way, sadly. It always goes this way because a lot of the people who get vocal about it one way or the other, are emotionally children. It's hard for them to come to terms with a world that isn't black/white, that has no regard for justice or karma, does not enforce their ideals. Truth is if you want something to happen, you have to make it happen; and if you don't like what others are doing, don't associate with them. This is advice for both the pro-*** and anti-* voices. Best thing for those who want to see more LGBT representation in the game's fiction should WRITE SOME FICTION! Those who oppose expressions of alternative sexuality should STFU and just not read said fiction**. As they say, the game itself has ZERO sexual content or need of it.
Flamespar	Posted - 2011.07.25 01:04:00 - [172] Edited by: Flamespar on 25/07/2011 01:07:51 Firstly I want to thank the OP for providing me with a handy dandy list of homophobic ftards that I can now hunt down and obliterate. Secondly, sadly whenever someone brings up the word 'Gay' on EVE it always serves to remind me just how toxic and immature many players are. The counter arguements against gay characters in EVE reflect the same arguements that are used (and still used) against gay people in real life. We (yes, me included) still have to put up with this in real life. Straight men don't have to deal with this cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. We have to stand up against homophobia where-ever it occurs, even in EVE. Because if we don't, you narrow minded f**ktards will continue to harm those men and women who are gay, simply because you are deluded enough and enraptured with your own sense of entitlement to think you are right in doing so. Posted with my main, cause I'm not the one who should be afraid.
nahtoh Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.25 01:23:00 - [173] Originally by: Flamespar Edited by: Flamespar on 25/07/2011 01:07:51 Firstly I want to thank the OP for providing me with a handy dandy list of homophobic ftards that I can now hunt down and obliterate. Secondly, sadly whenever someone brings up the word 'Gay' on EVE it always serves to remind me just how toxic and immature many players are. The counter arguements against gay characters in EVE reflect the same arguements that are used (and still used) against gay people in real life. We (yes, me included) still have to put up with this in real life. Straight men don't have to deal with this cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. We have to stand up against homophobia where-ever it occurs, even in EVE. Because if we don't, you narrow minded f*ktards will continue to harm those men and women who are gay, simply because you are deluded enough and enraptured with your own sense of entitlement to think you are right in doing so. Posted with my main, cause I'm not the one who should be afraid. Yeah only gay people get picked on don't they fuktard? Self entitled dipsh!ts like you are the reason this type of crap kicks off. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
nahtoh Caldari Brotherhood of The Saltire EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.07.25 01:26:00 - [174] Originally by: Kyo Haku Interesting how people are completely missing the point and intention of this thread. Maybe if I had used the word "lesbian" instead of "gay" the response would have been different. Mine would not have been... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
GeoBlue	Posted - 2011.07.25 02:17:00 - [175] Why must there always be one gay F@#$tard who starts stupid crap? And why is this post not locked?
Le Sabre Gallente Air Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.07.25 02:31:00 - [176] Originally by: Flamespar Straight men don't have to deal with this ** cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. Um pretty sure a lot of straight guys, myself included have been spat on, threatened (oh countless times) and kicked out of home, just not for the same reasons as you. So fk you right back tbh. I know I know, its such a hard life being gay and no one else has ever had to deal with the same hardships as you, you poor hard done by person you. Its prolly not the right thing to say, and bearing in mind one of my most trusted friends in this game is also gay, but I think he would also say this: Stop being such a friggin pansy!! Posted with main also. Proud participant in the great "Trade hub lock down" of 24th june 2011. We control OUR** game CCP!!!
Martinez T-Cells Moar Tears	Posted - 2011.07.25 03:36:00 - [177] Originally by: Flamespar Edited by: Flamespar on 25/07/2011 01:07:51 Firstly I want to thank the OP for providing me with a handy dandy list of homophobic ftards that I can now hunt down and obliterate. Secondly, sadly whenever someone brings up the word 'Gay' on EVE it always serves to remind me just how toxic and immature many players are. The counter arguements against gay characters in EVE reflect the same arguements that are used (and still used) against gay people in real life. We (yes, me included) still have to put up with this in real life. Straight men don't have to deal with this cause they are the accepted 'norm', they've never been spat on, threatened, kicked out of home, because of their sexuality. So fk you. We have to stand up against homophobia where-ever it occurs, even in EVE. Because if we don't, you narrow minded f**ktards will continue to harm those men and women who are gay, simply because you are deluded enough and enraptured with your own sense of entitlement to think you are right in doing so. Posted with my main, cause I'm not the one who should be afraid. lol i live in empire. i welcome you coming to find me. just dont come from the rear. when i destroy your ship, kill your pod, then shoot your corpse because i dont want to bring it aboard my ship for health reasons. is that going to be a hate crime?
Valentina Valentia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.25 04:07:00 - [178] Edited by: Valentina Valentia on 25/07/2011 04:08:02 Teen-Rated, Don't care, TMI on the personal info... etc... Why do people feel a need to point out these things - practically no one cares what people do or who or what anymore, if you are looking for a shock-value or something you're in the wrong game/community - try joining ar religion or something where people still count the animal entails or believe in some make-believe deity... EVE is SO totally NOT about sexuality it's not even a point of discussion. I DON'T CARE IF THAT "DOOR" EVER GOES ANYWHERE - and raise prices on NeX, bleed the foppish idiots dry!
The Offerer Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.25 04:45:00 - [179] Originally by: Darveses Mhh this thread pops up on every MMO forum at some point. And I mean this very thread, with these very answers. Always goes the same way, sadly. That's why this is the first time I've opened it on this forum to see what's written (after a couple of days of it hanging on the first page of GD). At this point, I can safely say that the thread is derailed enough to be locked, but anyway... here's my opinion (as an amateur fiction writer) on the subject: EVE Chronicles (haven't read the books yet) are pretty much very good written. Any good writer knows that if you write too much about things that are irrelevant for the whole story, you end up with boring stuff. If you write too much about the whole point of the story, you'll reveal too much to the reader and that's not good - you want your readers to be slightly confused and investigative if you want them to think about your piece of work and appreciate it. Now, to the subject of sexual orientation in fiction... You can't just use sexuality (in general) in the story about a spaceship game as something that's only mentioned to fill the story. You need a reason for mentioning it. In the storyline where we are guided to reveal the secret about ancient races and analyze politics of huge empires that spread through hundreds of solar systems, you can't just expect that sexuality will pop up for no reason at all. It's just not relevant enough. Now, to make it relevant, you'll have to use it somehow. Like setting the tone of some location (as mentioned earlier - gay bar) that is important for the story. When you are writing fiction that is as mysterious as EVE's (great job CCP Dropbear and the fiction team) every single description that is used in the story is on its place and has been put there for a reason. You can't just mention a gay bar if you don't want to connect it to something that couldn't happen anywhere else except in a gay bar. Otherwise, you are just throwing irrelevant information to your readers that can serve to confuse them and take the charm of searching for meaning of the descriptions in the story from them. I mean, what's the point of a mysterious fiction if you are using locations, characters or their behavior as something that is in no way connected to the story and can lead your readers to think that you have started to put info that is irrelevant. It takes the charm out of solving the mystery if something as big as a location or character behavior is set up without a reason. Now, there could be stories that can use sexual properties of a location or characters, but try to look at it this way. I'm not saying that I know the sexual orientation of CCP's fiction writers, but if we have fiction that is avoiding to mention sexual orientation, then there's probably a good reason: 1) Fiction writers are straight and when they write, they think about the storyline and work for which they are paid for, not about sexual orientation of the characters in stories. They simply focus on presenting the information to the readers and transfer some properties of their everyday life into the story as something that is taken for granted or not relevant enough to mention. They are not afraid to use alternative preferences in their story... they simply haven't really thought about sexuality in science fiction series about internet spaceships. 2) Fiction writers haven't found a suitable situation that could use sexual orientation of the characters as an important part of the story. It happens all the time: even if you want to use something in your story you simply don't get good enough inspiration to actually write something about it. So, sit back and relax about sexuality in an SF about internet spaceships, or if you really need an answer, take some time to do a little research on theories of fiction writing and basics of human psychology. Oh,... and to practice relations between what's (not)mentioned in the story and why, I recommend Dostoyevsky.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2011.07.25 05:38:00 - [180] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane I don't expect everyone to agree with me when I choose unusual hobbies or take controversial stances of opinion. I want people who "disagree" with a basic fact of another person's being, something they do not choose, such as sexual orientation, to realize that by mature, reasonable standards their opinion on that particular subject has no respectability. Everyone has opinions. People are entitled to them. If you don't want someones opinion on your sexuality, don't bring it up by demanding it be recognized. I don't demand people recognize and respect my sexuality, I just go pick up who I want to sleep with. I don't advertise my pref in a video game either. -Just because something works, doesn't mean it's not stupid.


CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.25 09:55:00 - [181] This thread has now run its course. It is going way off topic and is littered with inappropriate references despite being moderated multiple times. Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online



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