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xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing 82	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:43:00 - [31] - Quote when a writer creates a universe for his characters to exsist in, it will have it's limits. CCP found a way around this, it's called the nerf. so when things begin to become a little boring or limited, all CCP do is change the rules of this universe they created. is this a sign that the EVE universe is in trouble ? is it a sign that the client base is mostly vets ? is it a sign that the client base has become a litle bored with the current universe ? it's more than likely a way to keep us all here and training new skills. it's also CCP saying **,, we got it wrong the first time around. i just wonder how but ***** around with the game will it take to break it. change can be a good thing, change can also be a bad thing. which side are you on ?
Methesda Apparently Suicidal Alpha Strike 37	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:50:00 - [32] - Quote Kinet wrote: Caldari = Slowest ships + Least damage weapons = Awesome! Far and away the best damage projection in the game. Reductiveness FTL. Eve is about the journey.-á If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Ensign X 286	Posted - 2012.09.20 21:52:00 - [33] - Quote Methesda wrote: Kinet wrote: Caldari = Slowest ships + Least damage weapons = Awesome! Far and away the best damage projection in the game. Reductiveness FTL. Over-reaching FTW.
Destru Kaneda CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 55	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:01:00 - [34] - Quote Kinet wrote: You dont see most PvPers running around in Drakes Not sure if serious. Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds. Nerdiest homepage on the internet?
zodkiel Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 1	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:08:00 - [35] - Quote Destru Kaneda wrote: Kinet wrote: You dont see most good PvPers running around in Drakes Not sure if serious. Fixed. Case in point; my killboard.
Selinate 998	Posted - 2012.09.20 22:59:00 - [36] - Quote Welcome to the rest of the race's cruiser-class long range (LOL) guns. All other medium long range weapons needed a boost instead of this imo, but I'm still willing to take it...
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 769	Posted - 2012.09.20 23:10:00 - [37] - Quote This is why I'm glad I have every race's subcaps trained. Though was never a real big missile person, only have 7m SP in missiles.
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 204	Posted - 2012.09.20 23:42:00 - [38] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: Brooks Puuntai wrote: The sky isn't falling as some would want you to believe. HM boats just won't be as OP as they use to be when it comes to PvE. They will still however dominate over the other races when it comes to PVE for other reasons. Really? I can hardly see the Drake as being a viable pve boat with a 20% damage nerf. It wasn't all that great to begin with.... They are and will still be the most practical sub bs t1 ship for pve, especially if ccp continue to turn caldari kin missile bonus into general ones. And they will still have the easiest train to be so. So really is just crying about a loss of opness. Same goes for tengu, it will still be better for general pve than any other sub bs t2 or t3. Quite apart from anything else this is pre sisi changes, they are far from final (in fact they are the starting point). I would expect to see the nerf reigned back a bit. Personally i think a 10% damage nerf would have been fine.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 613	Posted - 2012.09.21 00:33:00 - [39] - Quote reamau wrote: Did I misread those dev notes? You'd think the entire race was being removed. I thought it was only HEAVY missiles getting nerfed... other than the TD part, but the OP here specifically said he PVE's. I'd think HAM tengu would fine, if you like the tengu- sure, the range would be less but by the time these (currenly only proposed) changes go into effect HAMs might have even more damage seperation. You may want to think about upsizing to battleship and using cruise missiles, especially if you have all the other various missile related skills trained. Would probably be a lot quicker than training lots of gun skills, plus would likely be similar to what you are already doing.... if you are doing C1/C2 then I realize you couldn't bring in a BS, but mission running should be fine. The problem with this is Cruise missiles are garbage.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 732	Posted - 2012.09.21 00:36:00 - [40] - Quote Missiles are viable, yes. HMs are being brought into line with the other medium sized long-range weapons. Which is to say, they're being made just as useless as medium beams, rails, and arty. (Yes medium arty and rails do have some very niche application, but not as much as they should) http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem

Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.09.21 00:42:00 - [41] - Quote Eventually we'll all be flying nerf guns with different color schemes, so just stick with the Tengu. Amarr will have gold-plated nerf guns, Minmatar nerf guns will fall apart after every 3 shots, etc..
Selinate 998	Posted - 2012.09.21 00:47:00 - [42] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Missiles are viable, yes. HMs are being brought into line with the other medium sized long-range weapons. Which is to say, they're being made just as useless as medium beams, rails, and arty. (Yes medium arty and rails do have some very niche application, but not as much as they should) What about medium beams??? Oh right, they do the DPS of a toe nail clipper and have the range of one too...
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2431	Posted - 2012.09.21 01:11:00 - [43] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: baltec1 wrote: And when he says obsolete, he means they won't be OP anymore Yep. Interestingly, if you think about it, the nerf is actually going to be to the tanks of those boats. I say that because if people find the range and/or damage insufficient to meet their desires they can easily get them back up to pre-nerf levels or beyond by sacrificing a bit of tank for the newly buffed Tracking Computers/Enhancers. Totally going to be fine... 25% less tank 20% less gank 25% less range but a 11% bonus to range via a tracking enhancer is TOTALLY going to make up for it. Completely ignoring obvious things like tracking "computers" and a damage bonus that will likely apply to all damage types (if the Caracal is any indication) instead of just Kinetic are not going to win you much support. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 993	Posted - 2012.09.21 01:53:00 - [44] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: Totally going to be fine... 25% less tank 20% less gank 25% less range but a 11% bonus to range via a tracking enhancer is TOTALLY going to make up for it. I hope the Drake and Tengu (and others) are getting an extra slot for that.
Nikolai Dostoyevski Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2012.09.21 02:05:00 - [45] - Quote Viable? Yes Good? No Switch to projectiles for alpha. Switch to laser for dps. Or switch to HAMs, blasters or autocannons if you want to brawl. Frankly, I don't think the CCP person responsible for this nerf has thought it through very well. Ignoring a lot of practical deficiencies associated with missiles (firewalls, travel time, damage application, outrunning missiles). I do agree with a range nerf for HMLs, though.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 296	Posted - 2012.09.21 02:16:00 - [46] - Quote Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote: Viable? Yes Good? No Switch to projectiles for alpha. Switch to laser for dps. Or switch to HAMs, blasters or autocannons if you want to brawl. Frankly, I don't think the CCP person responsible for this nerf has thought it through very well. Ignoring a lot of practical deficiencies associated with missiles (firewalls, travel time, damage application, outrunning missiles). I do agree with a range nerf for HMLs, though. If you are outrunning missiles chances are long range medium turrets aren't going to do you any better. Also is firewalling really that common?
Selinate 999	Posted - 2012.09.21 02:20:00 - [47] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote: Viable? Yes Good? No Switch to projectiles for alpha. Switch to laser for dps. Or switch to HAMs, blasters or autocannons if you want to brawl. Frankly, I don't think the CCP person responsible for this nerf has thought it through very well. Ignoring a lot of practical deficiencies associated with missiles (firewalls, travel time, damage application, outrunning missiles). I do agree with a range nerf for HMLs, though. If you are outrunning missiles chances are long range medium turrets aren't going to do you any better. Also is firewalling really that common? Was going to say that outrunning missiles rarely happens any more and large fleets are typically needed for firewalling in addition to the fleet knowing they're going to go up against a missile fleet without any doubt, even though it's a common point in GD to prove that missiles suck in PvP, but meh...
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 204	Posted - 2012.09.21 02:26:00 - [48] - Quote Been playing this game since forever and i have seen firewalling pulled off precisely once. Its also something that works only against a pure missile fleet, and that such things exist tell you all you need to know.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1739	Posted - 2012.09.21 03:06:00 - [49] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: The problem with this is Cruise missiles are garbage. Finally, someone said it.
Pipa Porto 978	Posted - 2012.09.21 03:54:00 - [50] - Quote Mr Chili Palmer wrote: ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? Put HAMs on it and some tracking enhancers. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1507	Posted - 2012.09.21 04:10:00 - [51] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Tom Gerard wrote: Totally going to be fine... 25% less tank 20% less gank 25% less range but a 11% bonus to range via a tracking enhancer is TOTALLY going to make up for it. I hope the Drake and Tengu (and others) are getting an extra slot for that. That would negate all of it's DPS nerfs. Maybe they'll reduce the powergrid so you can have 8 launchers, if only you put 2 lowslots towards reactor cores Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 293	Posted - 2012.09.21 04:20:00 - [52] - Quote http://www.dust514.org/item-database/tag/item-database/Heavy%20Weapon
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 67	Posted - 2012.09.21 04:25:00 - [53] - Quote Mr Chili Palmer wrote: ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? Train everything, thats what most of us do anyways
knobber Jobbler 207	Posted - 2012.09.21 05:43:00 - [54] - Quote They should have nerfed/changed individual ships, not a whole weapon system to calm down the use of Drakes and Tengus.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 184	Posted - 2012.09.21 06:36:00 - [55] - Quote knobber Jobbler wrote: They should have nerfed/changed individual ships, not a whole weapon system to calm down the use of Drakes and Tengus. Were they going to put s negative bonus on Drakes the? Now ask yourself why HML, Tengus need a nerf but not HAM, Tengu, Arty Loki, Beam Legion, or Rail Proteus.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 1348	Posted - 2012.09.21 08:21:00 - [56] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Mr Chili Palmer wrote: ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? Put HAMs on it and some tracking enhancers. But, but, but... his precious tank! How dare you ask him to use a mid slot for something other than the mwd and tank. Hang your head in shame! Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
William Walker House Aratus Fatal Ascension 91	Posted - 2012.09.21 08:25:00 - [57] - Quote Death to tengus! And drakes! And tengus!
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2012.09.21 08:50:00 - [58] - Quote Why do people call "25% range nerf"? It's 25% flight time nerf and 8% flight speed buff, resulting in 19% range nerf. And that before factoring in improved missile dynamics CCP promised. Just to be precise.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2698	Posted - 2012.09.21 08:57:00 - [59] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Why do people call "25% range nerf"? It's 25% flight time nerf and 8% flight speed buff, resulting in 19% range nerf. And that before factoring in improved missile dynamics CCP promised. Just to be precise. This thread is about emotional reactions, hysteria and hyperbole. Please take your sensible attitude elsewhere.
Arkon Olacar Imperial Guardians Tribal Band 118	Posted - 2012.09.21 08:59:00 - [60] - Quote So much mad. CCP have once again proven themselves master tear extractors, I salute you good sirs. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012 Umad forum warriors?



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