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Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance
Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:23:00 -
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Typical trained into my tengu and quite comfortable in it, then read that heavy missiles are getting nerfed. As a casual player who mainly pve's is the nerf actually worth worrying about? if it is then what is the logical choice of ship to aim for next? i have partially trained gunnery skills and battleship skills.
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:26:00 -
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You'll get 25% less range and 20% less damage if the changes remain as the are. If that's not a problem for you, then no, nothing to worry about. If it is a problem, you better make at least 3 posts about how its ruining eve on the General Discussion. |
adopt
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
427
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:26:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:Typical trained into my tengu and quite comfortable in it, then read that heavy missiles are getting nerfed. As a casual player who mainly pve's is the nerf actually worth worrying about? if it is then what is the logical choice of ship to aim for next? i have partially trained gunnery skills and battleship skills.
Your volleys are going to go down from 2500 to 2000, but that's about it.
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
baltec1
Bat Country
2228
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:27:00 -
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HML will get 20% dps nerf and 25% range nerf.
They will still be one of the better long range med weapons. |
Athena Themis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:HML will get 20% dps nerf and 25% range nerf.
They will still be one of the better long range med weapons.
Mainly due to the other options being purely ****.
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Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance
Moon Warriors
52
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:40:00 -
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ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:42:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:Typical trained into my tengu and quite comfortable in it, then read that heavy missiles are getting nerfed. As a casual player who mainly pve's is the nerf actually worth worrying about? if it is then what is the logical choice of ship to aim for next? i have partially trained gunnery skills and battleship skills.
If you get comfortable with anything in Eve you've already made a mistake... |
Athena Themis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:43:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now?
Mostly depends on what specific pve activity you want to do. For example, if a c3/c4 wh, then tengu will most likely still be the best choice despite the nerf. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2228
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:44:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now?
If you are aiming for a drake still go for it and train up HAMs. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
541
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:54:00 -
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Train Amarr or Gallente, CCP has hinted they will be destroying Minmatar after they've implemented the complete annihilation of Caldari.
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Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance
Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? If you are aiming for a drake still go for it and train up HAMs.
already go my drake, am really looking for a complete change ie cross training into another race and different weapon types ie gun/turrets hence why i asked the experts :) i am mainly in amarr space have been thinking loki,machariel or something else, don't want to waste time training into a dead slug lol |
baltec1
Bat Country
2228
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:57:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:Train Amarr or Gallente, CCP has hinted they will be destroying Minmatar after they've implemented the complete annihilation of Caldari.
God I love balance passes! |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
541
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:58:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? If you are aiming for a drake still go for it and train up HAMs. already go my drake, am really looking for a complete change ie cross training into another race and different weapon types ie gun/turrets hence why i asked the experts :) i am mainly in amarr space have been thinking loki,machariel or something else, don't want to waste time training into a dead slug lol
Nothing Minmatar, CCP has hinted they'll obsolete them so they'll be just a sunk as missile users, CCP repeatedly refered to Beam Lasers as the new baseline for all things, so you might as well train a Amarrian ship.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2228
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:09:00 -
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And when he says obsolete, he means they won't be OP anymore |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:10:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? If you are aiming for a drake still go for it and train up HAMs. already go my drake, am really looking for a complete change ie cross training into another race and different weapon types ie gun/turrets hence why i asked the experts :) i am mainly in amarr space have been thinking loki,machariel or something else, don't want to waste time training into a dead slug lol Nothing Minmatar, CCP has hinted they'll obsolete them so they'll be just a sunk as missile users, CCP repeatedly refered to Beam Lasers as the new baseline for all things, so you might as well train a Amarrian ship.
Thats wierd, I can hear a kind of annoying whining noise.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
542
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:11:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Tom Gerard wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now? If you are aiming for a drake still go for it and train up HAMs. already go my drake, am really looking for a complete change ie cross training into another race and different weapon types ie gun/turrets hence why i asked the experts :) i am mainly in amarr space have been thinking loki,machariel or something else, don't want to waste time training into a dead slug lol Nothing Minmatar, CCP has hinted they'll obsolete them so they'll be just a sunk as missile users, CCP repeatedly refered to Beam Lasers as the new baseline for all things, so you might as well train a Amarrian ship. Thats wierd, I can hear a kind of annoying whining noise.
Well I guess it is just time for the Gallente and Amarrians to have their day, Winmatar have been the dominant gods of PVP, and Caldari of the L4 Mission running.
Now they'll feel what it is like to be completely worthless and farmed. =)
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
1053
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:17:00 -
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Minmatar and Caldari will stillbe fine and perfectly viable as both pvp and pve ships. The Cane might not go quite so fast and track so well and the Drake may not hit an battleship ranges, but as battlecruisers go, they will still be fine.
Droneboats have been the kings of cheap pve ships since the dawn of time anyway.
Funnily enough I have flown almost entirely Minnie and Caldari boats for the last year and more, yet this round of changes doesnt worry me.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
543
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:21:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Minmatar and Caldari will stillbe fine and perfectly viable as both pvp and pve ships. The Cane might not go quite so fast and track so well and the Drake may not hit an battleship ranges, but as battlecruisers go, they will still be fine.
Droneboats have been the kings of cheap pve ships since the dawn of time anyway.
Funnily enough I have flown almost entirely Minnie and Caldari boats for the last year and more, yet this round of changes doesnt worry me.
Fine to shoot at? lol =)
Lucky for me I have 40m+ SP not invested in missiles, so I'll have no problem killing the poor low SP losers who spent their first year in EVE on a training goal that just got nerfed into the ground.
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Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
760
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:34:00 -
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The sky isn't falling as some would want you to believe. HM boats just won't be as OP as they use to be when it comes to PvE. They will still however dominate over the other races when it comes to PVE for other reasons. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:And when he says obsolete, he means they won't be OP anymore
Yep. 
Interestingly, if you think about it, the nerf is actually going to be to the tanks of those boats. I say that because if people find the range and/or damage insufficient to meet their desires they can easily get them back up to pre-nerf levels or beyond by sacrificing a bit of tank for the newly buffed Tracking Computers/Enhancers.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
547
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:47:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:baltec1 wrote:And when he says obsolete, he means they won't be OP anymore Yep. Interestingly, if you think about it, the nerf is actually going to be to the tanks of those boats. I say that because if people find the range and/or damage insufficient to meet their desires they can easily get them back up to pre-nerf levels or beyond by sacrificing a bit of tank for the newly buffed Tracking Computers/Enhancers.
Totally going to be fine...
25% less tank
20% less gank
25% less range
but a 11% bonus to range via a tracking enhancer is TOTALLY going to make up for it.
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Riot Girl
Riot Club
119
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:49:00 -
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T2 HMs having no velocity/sig radius penalties will make it worth it. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2229
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:49:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:
Totally going to be fine...
25% less tank
20% less gank
25% less range
but a 11% bonus to range via a tracking enhancer is TOTALLY going to make up for it.
The drake is now a BC and not a poor mans battleship. OP success. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3297
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:53:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:Typical trained into my tengu and quite comfortable in it, then read that heavy missiles are getting nerfed. Brutix doesn't care...
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
reamau
Galactic Alta Imperata
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:55:00 -
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Did I misread those dev notes? You'd think the entire race was being removed.
I thought it was only HEAVY missiles getting nerfed... other than the TD part, but the OP here specifically said he PVE's.
I'd think HAM tengu would fine, if you like the tengu- sure, the range would be less but by the time these (currenly only proposed) changes go into effect HAMs might have even more damage seperation.
You may want to think about upsizing to battleship and using cruise missiles, especially if you have all the other various missile related skills trained. Would probably be a lot quicker than training lots of gun skills, plus would likely be similar to what you are already doing.... if you are doing C1/C2 then I realize you couldn't bring in a BS, but mission running should be fine.
Inferno: almost as fun as chewing used medical syringes. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
259
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:02:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:The sky isn't falling as some would want you to believe. HM boats just won't be as OP as they use to be when it comes to PvE. They will still however dominate over the other races when it comes to PVE for other reasons.
Really? I can hardly see the Drake as being a viable pve boat with a 20% damage nerf. It wasn't all that great to begin with....
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Kinet
Frog Steamers
10
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:47:00 -
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While some may feel the Drake is OP, I dont feel it is 20% damage and 25% range OP. You dont see most PvPers running around in Drakes. In fact, most people associate missile ships with noobs. I know my industry toon will be selling off any drake/caracal BPOs before the nerf hits.
Caldari = Slowest ships + Least damage weapons = Awesome!
And did you see the changes coming to the Thorax? 4th mid slot, better tracking and more speed? Guess what everyone will be training for now if they dont have Gall cruiser to 5 already? |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
618
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Posted - 2012.09.20 20:22:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now?
You have to train them all. You never know what's getting buffed/nerfed this month. Besides if you ever get into PVP/Alliance stuff you'll be required to fly ships from all races. So just set training and come back in a couple years. You only need around 50mil sp to survive in this magical world of Eve online where nothing works the same from week to week.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me.
Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Nerf it cause I can't fly it.
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.09.20 21:31:00 -
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Until all ships are crap CCP will never be happy, guess ill use the eagle |
Ensign X
286
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Posted - 2012.09.20 21:37:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:ok thanks for the replies, so as a backup what would be the best ship type to train up for now?
None. Just get ready to fly a HAM Tengu. You'll lose range, but the buff to Tracking Enhancers and the removal of T2 missile penalties will make HAMs a lot better than they currently are. Compared to a current HML Tengu with 4x Ballistic Control, you'll end up doing about the same DPS with a HAM Tengu using 3x Ballistic Control and 1 Tracking Enhancer with less range. |
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