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E man Industries	Posted - 2011.08.04 20:41:00 - [1] Edited by: E man Industries on 04/08/2011 20:41:41 Right now I do NOT load the station as i run dual clients. I can run dual Incarna but it makes a lot of noise(damn fans). I do not mind Incarna but I can't use it. If i want to see a station I need to navigate an escape menu and clic an option then undock and redock...then do the same to turn it off. This is wrong! We should be able to set what we default to..ie default to ship view, or default to station view. With a quick embark/disembark button. Also can we get stats on just what % of active players have turned it off? ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin
Tom Gerard Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.08.04 20:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Tom Gerard on 04/08/2011 20:58:42 I don't load station because I have an older computer. To make up the GHZ difference I do the some of the calculations on paper and punch them in. It really takes a long time to calculate all the different shaders manually. Image Linkage
BehindDOORNEXWhore	Posted - 2011.08.04 21:00:00 - [3] Edited by: BehindDOORNEX**** on 04/08/2011 21:00:50* Isn't that like a "Chad" ? Edit because I splell kile a ratd
Myfanwy Heimdal Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc	Posted - 2011.08.04 21:06:00 - [4] I haven't seen a Hollerith card for decades. Batch processing an MMO, now, that's real programming.
Solosky	Posted - 2011.08.04 21:29:00 - [5] Incarna characters are beautiful (compare with LotRO or Warhammer Online). CCP, please, don't lower graphics - most EVE players aren't in 3rd world countries and can purchase modern computers every other year (or every other month in some cases) + we really don't need the game to be compatible with wrist watch, microwave ovens, fridges and 5-10 year old calculators which some people mistakenly call "computer" while trying to use as game rig for EVE.
E man Industries	Posted - 2011.08.04 21:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Solosky Incarna characters are beautiful (compare with LotRO or Warhammer Online). CCP, please, don't lower graphics - most EVE players aren't in 3rd world countries and can purchase modern computers every other year (or every other month in some cases) + we really don't need the game to be compatible with wrist watch, microwave ovens, fridges and 5-10 year old calculators which some people mistakenly call "computer" while trying to use as game rig for EVE. Not a whine on what it takes to run. A whine on how hard it is to turn on once off. Also the door is terrible. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin
Ava n'Daara	Posted - 2011.08.04 21:51:00 - [7] I left CQ up for a bit initially but, quite frankly, there's no added gameplay experience supplied with CQ and it runs, relatively, like crap despite having a solid system that can run everything on max. I have been shown the door. :(
Telvani Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber	Posted - 2011.08.04 22:43:00 - [8] Yes CCP make your game use up as much resources as possible so only the coolest of the cool can run it, despite it running on pretty much anything pre-incarna. Let the nerd population's overspending on hardware instead of going out and having a life outside the game be justified.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.04 22:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Telvani Yes CCP make your game use up as much resources as possible so only the coolest of the cool can run it, despite it running on pretty much anything pre-incarna. Let the nerd population's overspending on hardware instead of going out and having a life outside the game be justified. That sounds bitter. I remember having the same discussion with players who argued 8bit or 16bit computers were sufficient for gaming. 3D graphics a waste of ressources etc. Upgrades are a neccessary part of PC gaming. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
Selinate Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.04 22:57:00 - [10] I would. I don't bother right now since it doesn't have much functionality and I don't want to wait for it to load every time, and the fact that it does run kind of slow...

Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.08.04 22:58:00 - [11] I have a Q6600, 8GB and a ATI 6800. With dual clients running, having at least one in station sends all 4 cores to 80-90%... Having both in space - maybe 30-40%...
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.04 23:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Selinate I would. I don't bother right now since it doesn't have much functionality and I don't want to wait for it to load every time, and the fact that it does run kind of slow... ^^ That. Even my Air can handle the CQ well enough, but there's simply nothing to gain from turning it on ù it's entirely pointless. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada	Posted - 2011.08.04 23:32:00 - [13] I would if it took far less computer resources so that i saw no dicernable speed dip playing WoT and logged in also to globaly agenda and I could jump up and down and make funny faces in the mirror in the room. and i'm not kidding. I've been trying out global agenda and I quite like chaninging the color of my clothes and bouncing around station, pacing or using my jet pack and pummeting down turing it off and taking damage when i hit ground. Avatars that you can do silly things with are fun.
Morganta	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:03:00 - [14] if you don't load station then how will you know if it gets better?
Selinate Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:07:00 - [15] Edited by: Selinate on 05/08/2011 00:06:53 Originally by: Morganta if you don't load station then how will you know if it gets better? These forums will start ****ting themselves when the station environment gets better.
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Morganta if you don't load station then how will you know if it gets better? you can have CQs turned off on tranquility and have a look at singularity when new stuff appear.
Kijo Rikki Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.08.05 00:53:00 - [17] To me, the new station feature is exactly like the intro screen to a dvd movie. It may be slick looking, but its utterly useless. OFF
Bayard Carpathi	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:16:00 - [18] I kept it on for a few days. I think it's great and I'm looking forward to where they go with it in the future. However, when running two (or three clients)it does unpleasent things to my computer. So it's off and I see no reason to turn it back on until they do something "new" with it, but unless it uses less system resources I cant imagine it staying on long. When the stations get opened up though, that could be worth messing with.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:18:00 - [19] I kept it on at first, just to see what it would be like. After enduring the loading screen several times just to get what I already knew to be soul-crushingly pointless fluff, I turned it off and never looked back. As an added bonus The Door loads instantly. ... Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
Vol Arm'OOO	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Originally by: Telvani Yes CCP make your game use up as much resources as possible so only the coolest of the cool can run it, despite it running on pretty much anything pre-incarna. Let the nerd population's overspending on hardware instead of going out and having a life outside the game be justified. That sounds bitter. I remember having the same discussion with players who argued 8bit or 16bit computers were sufficient for gaming. 3D graphics a waste of ressources etc. Upgrades are a neccessary part of PC gaming. This would be true if cq did something. All you can do is walk around and sit down. Hardly worth it, especially since it lags out the rest of your game. Also it should be pointed out that there are many other mmos where you can actually walk around and do stuff -- kill things, interact with your envior, and they dont seem to cause the problems that cq causes even though cq doesnt have any content. So all in all, if you are playing eve to actaully play the game then turning cq off makes perfect sense.

Blind Man Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:44:00 - [21] I can't run incarna at 60 fps (running @3510x1920). annoys me and does not "feel" like eve. i just want the default hangar view back. but i still don't turn off cq because that would be even worse
Tsukimaru Amarr Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:50:00 - [22] If they make it light enough to run 4+ clients on one machine without lagging, I'll load the station.
Nyio Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.08.05 01:59:00 - [23] I don't load the CQ, at first because my 9800 GT graphics card couldn't handle it well at all. Now I just got this GTX 570 and it can handle it but it still seems to be heavy on resources, and doesn't load nearly as fast as it would have to for me to activate and use the CQ. I can add that I'm mainly a missioner, and even the regular docking process can take too long at times. @CCP: please make us be able to doubleclick the doorÖ to open the active ships cargo.
Tu Ko Predator's Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.05 02:17:00 - [24] " I think it's great and I'm looking forward to where they go with it in the future." Ya'll kill me with this stuff. Obviously its terrible, but with the magic of wishful thinking we can assume that CCP will come in and do something cool with it... Just like PI.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.08.05 03:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Ava n'Daara I left CQ up for a bit initially but, quite frankly, there's no added gameplay experience supplied with CQ and it runs, relatively, like crap despite having a solid system that can run everything on max. I have been shown the door. :( this. CQ is nothing in terms of computer processing but even on the lowest settings is harder to run then starcraft 2 on the lowest settings. if CQ ran as smoothe as eve in space i would use it no problem, though it is 100% pointless and old hanger was better
Selinate Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.05 03:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Herping yourDerp CQ is nothing in terms of computer processing but even on the lowest settings is harder to run then starcraft 2 on the lowest settings. if CQ ran as smoothe as eve in space i would use it no problem, though it is 100% pointless and old hanger was better Considering how games by blizzard are made (to run on machines that are ancient because the graphics in them are most often very simple, nothing extravagant), I don't know if comparing any game that actually makes an attempt at having good graphics is valid...
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.08.05 03:32:00 - [27] i'm sorry but WOW on lowest detail looks better then CQ... its the ratio of graphics for performance ratio in CQ that is horrid. eve for the longest time has had decent graphics and it performed pretty well on almost all machines... in CQ though, even higher end machines cant handle it and the graphics and everything look worse then games that run better and came out years ago.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.08.05 03:34:00 - [28] I would if there was a compelling reason to. Any reason at all really. I do all my ship spinning in the fitting window these days.
Large Collidable Object morons.	Posted - 2011.08.05 03:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Selinate Considering how games by blizzard are made (to run on machines that are ancient because the graphics in them are most often very simple, nothing extravagant), I don't know if comparing any game that actually makes an attempt at having good graphics is valid... So what? My hooded amarr alt looks like thief III looked 7 years ago, has inferior animations, has more clipping problems, less realistic lighting and takes place in a prison cell that is more confined and offers less interaction than the one that was delivered in the first 2 minutes of Oblivion.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.08.05 03:48:00 - [30] Unless it was made well and loaded as fast as the pre-Incarna hanger, I won't use it. I dock/undock a lot, and the 20 seconds loading time is really a killer on my productivity.

Selinate Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.05 04:21:00 - [31] Originally by: Herping yourDerp i'm sorry but WOW on lowest detail looks better then CQ... its the ratio of graphics for performance ratio in CQ that is horrid. eve for the longest time has had decent graphics and it performed pretty well on almost all machines... in CQ though, even higher end machines cant handle it and the graphics and everything look worse then games that run better and came out years ago. You and I aren't playing the same game then. CQ's graphics are not THAT bad.
Kitsune Tsuki Amarr L'Opaline	Posted - 2011.08.05 04:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 05/08/2011 04:42:02 Edited by: Kitsune Tsuki on 05/08/2011 04:41:43 I'd love to load the CQ, but currently I have to set texture qualities to medium for the game not to crash every time I dock, and that sorta kills it. Also, the load times are a bit long, so I'd want to see that improved, too. And I'd like to be able to lie down on the bed, and for Lifetime to be added to the TV thingy. ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùù Un fol enseigne bien un sage. ùRabelais
Alxea	Posted - 2011.08.05 05:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Herping yourDerp i'm sorry but WOW on lowest detail looks better then CQ... its the ratio of graphics for performance ratio in CQ that is horrid. eve for the longest time has had decent graphics and it performed pretty well on almost all machines... in CQ though, even higher end machines cant handle it and the graphics and everything look worse then games that run better and came out years ago. You and I aren't playing the same game then. CQ's graphics are not THAT bad. People who complain about this feature don't know sheat about how to up the graphics to max or their hardware is soo sheaty they blame it on CQ when their hardware is so antique it would run Doom at 1 FPS. If they have major issues running CQ, they sure as hell can't run a real eye candy game like Crysis 2 on DX11 with max settings. I'll tell ya right now even any modern game couldn't run at decent fps on there hardware. Really sad stuff by far. So they must forum warrior! = Them. Best if they all didn't troll so much. Too many trolls in eve forums, always complain about this and that when they don't really log into Eve, they play Forums Online and this is how they pvp. Text based PVP = real like hardcore and stuff! Gods really... Move along move along... lol CCP is doing just fine without your negative comments. Your not playing the same game as the rest of us. If you don't like the game don't post trollol and quit. Wait, it takes years to quit eve I know, seen all them quitters post every day all around eve. Soo hard to quit eve, takes a long time too.
Valei Khurelem	Posted - 2011.08.05 06:10:00 - [34] Merely having a run button and auto-run button would do wonders for me. That and since it is a private captains quarters you should be able to choose where to spawn, I don't like having to walk to the other side just to access a basic menu if I want to use the quarters as it's meant to be used.
Leona Elum Save Jita	Posted - 2011.08.05 06:16:00 - [35] /me has CQ disabled Ok so when I make a website I tend to try keep it pretty simple, and as browser friendly as possible. Sometimes I have been starting to add some really neat features and stuff, only to find out it looks like crap on Internet Explorer older versions etc. And would also be a pain for those with slow Internet connections. Should I make the next site according to the latest available features and make it look/function really good only for visitors with Chrome and a good highspeed connection, or perhaps compromise with some of the "cool stuff" and make it functional to most browsers? Hm, this is something that I would like to compare to with what CCP is doing with EVE right now. I bet they have had alot of discussions internally about things like this, and apparently came to the conclusion it's time to move on.. That also means it's time for the "older" playerbase to get better hardware I guess, or leave. As for myself, I'm working on getting better hardware. This rant brought to you by Caffeine LtdÖ [a subdivision of Quafe]. Internet Speed Test - How fast are you? IGB: www.savejita.evezone.org
Arghle Barghle	Posted - 2011.08.05 09:28:00 - [36] I turn it off. What's the point of it anyway, except for some WASD itch. If only they added a "hub" for each station with communal areas for people to interact. Like an "auction house", which is really the Market, and people would enter it to purchase their crap. Think WoW in Orgrimmar.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.08.05 09:57:00 - [37] The incarna we saw long time in fanfest was totally different than the one they implemented. Most EvE players couldn't care less if their characters were running with some older gfx engine with same quality/performance what for example half life 2 or counter strike:source offers. The current solution is too _way way_ too heavy, way too focused on "barbies able to dress nex clothes" and way too force fed. Lighter solution, with more content, with less RMT - done 5 years faster than current crap. I don't see incarna going anywhere before we get space -> hangar -> cq feature and walking in stations gets own graphics settings what can be tuned to _ultralow_. Hell I would play with wireframe graphics if that is what it takes to keep computer more cooler and more quiet. Incarna in its current form is pain in at least my butt and haven't been loading it at all since first couple weeks. If someday the option to keep it unloaded will be lifted and no 3rd party :excellence: hack to disable it doesn't show up, it is time to unsub again. ~25 fps in CQ - 60 in space... Nice work on syncing the gfx settings :ccp: - there is only 140% tolerance. Isn't it kewl to get such positive feedback from the :excellence: every day? Assembly Hall is that way --> I suggest some research before failcarna bubble bursts to your faces. --- This is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change
Devai Starchild Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.05 11:18:00 - [38] CQ is fine. If you can't run it, then don't, but better and better graphics are kind of a "thing" in computer gaming and developers shouldn't be forced to not provide the best looking product they can to those that can take advantage of it. Eventually, you won't be able to turn off station environments. If you can't run it, then the answer is to upgrade your pc, not whine until CCP is strangled into providing an inferior product to accommodate you being cheap. -------------------------------------------
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2011.08.05 11:35:00 - [39] I look at the door. Whats the point of CQ...? All it is at the moment is a UI where you have to run around to activate different parts. Plus, despite all the hype about how graphicly intensive and cool liiking it it... my characters look like a cheap waxwork modle of my bio pic. --- Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum I can tell you that this is one of the moments when we look at what those at CCP will do and less of what they say.
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.05 12:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Jint Hikaru I look at the door. Whats the point of CQ...? All it is at the moment is a UI where you have to run around to activate different parts. Plus, despite all the hype about how graphicly intensive and cool liiking it it... my characters look like a cheap waxwork modle of my bio pic. Actually for me (on full settings) sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Most times it actually looks very good, but under certain kinds of lighting, it looks like a hideous waxwork. Weird - something to do with shaders perhaps? ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding

Devai Starchild Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.05 12:15:00 - [41] Yes, the shaders on the character models seem the weakest point and is one of the hardest things to do. The rest looks pretty amazing. -------------------------------------------
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.08.05 12:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Razin I kept it on at first, just to see what it would be like. After enduring the loading screen several times just to get what I already knew to be soul-crushingly pointless fluff, I turned it off and never looked back. As an added bonus The Door loads instantly. This pretty much sums it up. When there's something to do (other than buy surreally over-priced pixelbarbie clothes ) I'll consider switching it back on. Until then, I dont care if it can run on a Z80. At the moment, the CQ reminds me of nothing so much as being stuck on a Travel Lodge on the M3 (I'm specifically thinking of the one just North of Southampton, where there is no access to any bars or anything else except the petrol station where I used to have to stay 4 nights a week for weeks on end. God I hated that prison.) Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.08.05 12:20:00 - [43] WTB ship spinning -


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