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Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.09.23 07:25:00 - [1] - Quote Instead of killing off an expensive clone I left in FA space (it was FA when I was there) all the way down the PXF pipe, I decided to fly out my clone in a shuttle for a look-round and a way to fill in my afternoon. ( I used a shuttle because somebody can't be f'd seeding the market with even the simplest of cloakies it seems) So here goes, my dander is up, fingers poised on "warp to something other than a gate" and lo and behold, 28 jumps, manual flyin', gate to gate, with reckless abandon', I made it to Orvolle in quick snappy time. No brrpp brrpp, no ships. NOTHING.... 2 systems had insta-logs (oh dear) Tell me chaps, is that how the entire CFC empire is being run? Empty. Underutilised. Nobody? Is that how 0.0 in general is now? What a total waste of space. It's sad really. Discuss. (Gotta admit, the final lowsec run to Orvolle was pretty busy - FW seems to be having a good effect)
Agent Akari Hobo Industries Inc 62	Posted - 2012.09.23 07:30:00 - [2] - Quote Waste of space? But it's infinite. You just looked not enough around you. There is plenty stuff to find. This isn't sim city. With probing you'll find a lot of stuff in that empty space though.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.09.23 07:36:00 - [3] - Quote Agent Akari wrote: Waste of space? But it's infinite. You just looked not enough around you. There is plenty stuff to find. This isn't sim city. With probing you'll find a lot of stuff in that empty space though. errr.... I know the area very well as a matter of fact. I was talking about the lack of people. The lack of activity - from PXF all the way but the last 3 jumps into Orvolle. Besides, people in shuttles have a terrible time scanning. I've tried. Just can't seem to get the damn stuff online
R0me0 Charl1e Easy A Industries 44	Posted - 2012.09.23 07:39:00 - [4] - Quote I'm pretty sure majority of the CFC pilots are flying in Tribute region fighting with NC. They have something better to do than to blob your shuttle.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.09.23 07:42:00 - [5] - Quote R0me0 Charl1e wrote: I'm pretty sure majority of the CFC pilots are flying in Tribute region fighting with NC. They have something better to do than to blob your shuttle. and just what were they going to blob my shuttle with?
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 332	Posted - 2012.09.23 07:51:00 - [6] - Quote Jump bridges, cynos, jump freighters make logistics so easy any idiot can do it. If a system doesn't have a good moon or station it might as well be deleted.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.09.23 07:57:00 - [7] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: Jump bridges, cynos, jump freighters make logistics so easy any idiot can do it. If a system doesn't have a good moon or station it might as well be deleted. If systems can be left so wide open for so long then maybe 0.0 is just a little too easy to (not even bother to) defend. How 'bout we make POS's go outta reo in an hour, shake up the whole damn system. If ya have to leave a defense force it makes you less "blob the whole team" capable the larger you get. As it stands, I could deploy everyone anywhere and drop back only if my timer goes off and I got 24 hours to do it. A can't lose button for bloated sov alliances.
Merovee Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor 55	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:05:00 - [8] - Quote Maybe you should go claim a system, bring your buddies with you.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:10:00 - [9] - Quote Merovee wrote: Maybe you should go claim a system, bring your buddies with you. And if you read my post you'd see why that's not possible. I don't have to defend it. TIME dear sir, is on my side. I suggested that TIME is retracted, reduced, rescinded as a defense mechanism. Make a defense force a neccessary evil to owning and retaining sov. Find me a nation on Earth that commits EVERY resource into offense with defense allowed to be on a safe little timer? Betcha can't. Any force beng attacked can use this as a mechanism to break the blob by forcing the blob to split to defend its own. At the moment it's all rock-a-bye baby.
Hypercake Mix Magical Rainbow Bakery 49	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:18:00 - [10] - Quote Under-utilized. Because of power projection. Edit: and null indy is terrible.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:21:00 - [11] - Quote Hypercake Mix wrote: Under-utilized. Because of power projection. Edit: and null indy is terrible. yep. A power projection that doesn't even need to be turned on.
knobber Jobbler 207	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:26:00 - [12] - Quote To busy on deployment? I'm sure if you go back and shoot a few towers you'd see a response.
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 792	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:33:00 - [13] - Quote Most 0.0 systems are useless, hence why most 0.0 systems are empty. Power projection is a problem, but doesn't change the fact that if a system is crap it won't be used
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 1813	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:40:00 - [14] - Quote 22 bil for a station that's crap compared to free highsec stations, +1 bil for i-hub that provides access to l4 mission agent incom also free in highsec, +360m per month for TCU unit, plus gimped industry why arent all nullsec systems being used? we should nerf it that'll open it up to small alliances
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:49:00 - [15] - Quote knobber Jobbler wrote: To busy on deployment? I'm sure if you go back and shoot a few towers you'd see a response. Yes. As stated. You can even ignore what I'm doing for 24 hours yes?
Mars Theran Estel Arador Corp Services 296	Posted - 2012.09.23 09:04:00 - [16] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Agent Akari wrote: Waste of space? But it's infinite. You just looked not enough around you. There is plenty stuff to find. This isn't sim city. With probing you'll find a lot of stuff in that empty space though. errr.... I know the area very well as a matter of fact. I was talking about the lack of people. The lack of activity - from PXF all the way but the last 3 jumps into Orvolle. Besides, people in shuttles have a terrible time scanning. I've tried. Just can't seem to get the damn stuff online I know how you feel about Shuttles and scanning; so limited in capability, and no cargo space it seems. As for the rest, you'll find that anywhere. Most of 0.0 is void of activity until you get near the barrier to entry, or egress it seems. Once you get into that pipeline, you'll find the last system or systems are heavily camped and you're chances of getting through, either way, are rather limited. Lots of Bubbles and cloaked Legions, Interdictors, and whatever else you can imagine that's able and willing to send you back in a rather hasty fashion to wherever you left your last medical clone. There are really only a limited number of ways to get into and out of Nullsec without a Jump capable ship or similar means of entry and egress to bypass those camps. Not that you can't get through, or that all areas are heavily camped. You'll find entry through Molden Heath isn't too bad in my experience, but once you're in... Either way, once you're in, it's quite possible you won't get back out. They seem to like preventing exit more than stopping entry. Probably because you may be coming back with goodies to salvage from your wreck, if you get that far. Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 1350	Posted - 2012.09.23 09:07:00 - [17] - Quote It is a symptom of the incredibly over the top power projection in this game. Why bother using and patrolling systems you own when you can run back to deal with any real threats in a matter of minutes.... from anywhere in the galaxy. Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
Adeleda Adoudel Welp The Monkey 15	Posted - 2012.09.23 09:30:00 - [18] - Quote To be fair most of them are deployed in Tribute atm. Also shuttles are scary.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 756	Posted - 2012.09.23 11:09:00 - [19] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: an expensive clone I left in FA space Yes, indeed drive around in a limousine looking at the poor commoners and tell them how they should be living life. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 69	Posted - 2012.09.23 12:22:00 - [20] - Quote Sov, BlueBlobfest.......boring, and ultimately pointless, NPC small gang warfare is where its at, let the sheep have their Sov and take orders from their masters
Roderick Grey Assisted Genocide Black Legion. 70	Posted - 2012.09.23 12:43:00 - [21] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Hurr Durr wasted space! Have you ever heard of a place called the dronelands? They even have renters and it's x10 more empty.
Luba Cibre Global Song Setup 194	Posted - 2012.09.23 15:10:00 - [22] - Quote The only waste of space is you op. "Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise."-á
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 1813	Posted - 2012.09.23 17:28:00 - [23] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: It is a symptom of the incredibly over the top power projection in this game. Why bother using and patrolling systems you own when you can run back to deal with any real threats in a matter of minutes.... from anywhere in the galaxy. Yeah nerf jump bridges some more, then all those nullsec corridor systems with a sec status of 0.01 will be bumpin with life http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Querious/A-Z7C9,3B-IWE
Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 173	Posted - 2012.09.23 19:36:00 - [24] - Quote Crap when I read the title I thought this was about James 315...
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2012.09.23 20:14:00 - [25] - Quote Xpaulusx wrote: Sov, BlueBlobfest.......boring, and ultimately pointless, NPC small gang warfare is where its at, let the sheep have their Sov and take orders from their masters This is a good point. I have done a few lowsec sorties in recent days just snooping around and FW seems to be working nicely. Low systems that were as good as devoid of life seem to have had a breath of life added. (I have been away for while so it's not something I was expecting nor am I familiar with FW but it looks refreshing) Now for the 0.0 shakeup yeah?
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 266	Posted - 2012.09.23 20:37:00 - [26] - Quote You people keep spewing out "power projection" as if it's the reason those systems are empty. Strange how smaller alliances have issues with "wasted" systems. Instead of bleetng on with the same lame "power projection" complaint, how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it? It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them? I understand that the "power projection" sperg is really just another way of saying "make the game harder for goons CCP." Because obviously if a 10k man coalition can't hold a system, your **** little 100 man alliance will be able to. If you can't find a reason to take the system for your own, or if you can't manage to take the system while we're already engaged in a war with someone else, then how do you think "making it harder for goons" is going to be easier for you? If it's harder for 1000 guys to do something, it'll be harder for 100 guys to do the same thing. Funny how Goons were able to do exactly what you people are constantly bitching that you can't, under pretty much the same circumstances, minus developer help. As if you don't have the exact same mechanics to work with that the guys who built goons up to where we are had. You guys keep crying. CCP isn't going to change ** so that you can have some sort of imaginary advantage with smaller numbers over a group 10x larger then you. By all means, help us help you. What do we need to do to motivate you whiny, lazy, self entitled little btiches, with zero politicing skills to actually do something other then cry to CCP to do it for you. Because insulting, scamming, ganking, market manipulation, and just general shitting you doesn't seem to doing the job. Or maybe we're not as disliked as you people pretend Props to NC. Real EVE players, with real balls. Unlike the rest of you.
Doc Severide Caldari Provisions Caldari State 174	Posted - 2012.09.23 20:41:00 - [27] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: By all means, help us help you. What do we need to do to motivate you whiny, lazy, self entitled little btiches, with zero politicing skills to actually do something other then cry to CCP to do it for you. Because insulting, scamming, ganking, market manipulation, and just general shitting you doesn't seem to doing the job. Well said, that's hilarious... Quote: Or maybe we're not as disliked as you people pretend You're not disliked by me... Not at all... Quote: Props to NC. Real EVE players, with real balls. Unlike the rest of you. I'm a real player. Just not very good. But I don't blame anyone else...
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2012.09.23 20:49:00 - [28] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: spurge..... how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it? It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them? cough. Sorry Mr. Goon sir. I think I WAS actually asking that? And I take it your (rather angry and lengthy) post (did you just lose a ship to NC or sumthin') was an invite to all of Eve to come use all that wasted and empty space? If Goons were so egalitarian, perhaps you could blue everyone so we can all enjoy your lovely home Sir. No sorry, what was that, you're away getting MOAR territory. Ok fine. later then....
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 267	Posted - 2012.09.23 20:52:00 - [29] - Quote Doc Severide wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: By all means, help us help you. What do we need to do to motivate you whiny, lazy, self entitled little btiches, with zero politicing skills to actually do something other then cry to CCP to do it for you. Because insulting, scamming, ganking, market manipulation, and just general shitting you doesn't seem to doing the job. Well said, that's hilarious... Quote: Or maybe we're not as disliked as you people pretend You're not disliked by me... Not at all... Quote: Props to NC. Real EVE players, with real balls. Unlike the rest of you. I'm a real player. Just not very good. But I don't blame anyone else... Congrats to you good sir for getting it!
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 267	Posted - 2012.09.23 20:56:00 - [30] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: spurge..... how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it? It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them? cough. Sorry Mr. Goon sir. I think I WAS actually asking that? And I take it your (rather angry and lengthy) post (did you just lose a ship to NC or sumthin') was an invite to all of Eve to come use all that wasted and empty space? If Goons were so egalitarian, perhaps you could blue everyone so we can all enjoy your lovely home Sir. No sorry, what was that, you're away getting MOAR territory. Ok fine. later then.... Did you harp on the "force projection" as if somehow having far fewer numbers then us will, regardless of what CCP does, make taking and holding territory harder for us while easier for you? You know that, for those poeple who seem to have this idiotic notion that if space was harder for us to hold it would be easier for everyone else, that organizing and politicing would actually be considerably more helpful to their causing then crying about goons is. MOAR territory. That's funny, not as funny as my post though. You would think we didn't just give territory away. You just keep on posting, it's cute. Edit: I say this with the sincerest of honesty. Some of you people come up with the most moronic of excuses for incompetence. Stay away from the butter knives, you might hurt yourselves. Actually, eat with your fingers, I dont' trust you people with spoons.

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