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Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:35:00 - [1] The minutes from the last csm summit took a very long time to get published because they had to double check for nda stuff. How is it even possible that certain null sec alliance know more about the upcoming changes than everyone else, yet this isn't an advantage? I mean sure the csm may not know with certainty what ccp is going to do, but they know allot better than everyone else. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Sader Rykane Amarr The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:39:00 - [2] Run for CSM or stop whining.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:48:00 - [3] Because the last guy who tried to take advantage of his NDA knowledge was thrown out, banned, roflstomped, and got his balls put in a viceà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Empy Ralt	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:49:00 - [4] Since CCP's plans are vague and unlikely to happen anytime soon, and they will put out a blog long before anything actually happens, it's not much of an advantage.
Fix Lag	Posted - 2011.08.17 01:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Tippia Because the last guy who tried to take advantage of his NDA knowledge was thrown out, banned, roflstomped, and got his balls put in a viceà Gal, actually. Fix Lag!
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.17 02:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Tippia Because the last guy who tried to take advantage of his NDA knowledge was thrown out, banned, roflstomped, and got his balls put in a viceà Well 1) he did the action directly not have an alliance mate do it for him or even just give instuctions to his alliance. 2) he was at least honest enough to admit it. Lets say they would have another anomoly nerf. Certain alliances just didn't upgrade them. Well what could possibly happen? The alliances that are upgrading are not acting optimally. Those with the inside scoop are acting optimally. What is going to possibly get nerfed and what definitely won't get nerfed. Of the players the csm knows best. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.08.17 02:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Cearain What is going to possibly get nerfed and what definitely won't get nerfed. Of the players the csm knows best. Actually, the CCP developers themselves know best. Newsflash, they play EVE too. ---
Judge Ment BOOM BOOM POW	Posted - 2011.08.17 02:55:00 - [8] Most the people in BOB were CCP ------------------------------------- We judge others by actions We judge ourselves by intentions.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.17 03:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Originally by: Cearain What is going to possibly get nerfed and what definitely won't get nerfed. Of the players the csm knows best. Actually, the CCP developers themselves know best. Newsflash, they play EVE too. Ok so they know best but csm still has and advantage over every other alliance leader. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Nezumiiro Noneko	Posted - 2011.08.17 03:48:00 - [10] don't worry...even with advanced knowledge, things still get messed up lol. The csm that got sneak peak into the dominion sov changes had PL members on it as I recall. PL allianced with SOT...called splot by many after. The pl reps did not bring back very good info. IT's foothold a ways back in 0.0 started with PL's BFF's SOT messing up sov mechanics. Quite funny that...thye had info from the devs mouths...and didn't pass it to their boys, or pass it very well. Now markets and such....yeah you have some justified fears. It wouldn't be a csm if one of them didn;t come back and speculate on the markets. Been away for a bit...not sure how this one faired. Most prior csm's....yeah, alwasy one member kicked for insider trading or something along those lines.

Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.17 04:10:00 - [11] Well they are doing more of a balance release in winter than with dominion. But here is the thing: Would you rather A) Run an alliance with all the information in the nda about the null sec winter release or B) Run an alliance without all the information in the nda about null sec winter release? Not a very hard question to answer is it? -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Naradius DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2011.08.17 05:21:00 - [12] To the OP - Your assumption is flawed, in that, CCP have yet to fulfill any plans...ever. You also assume that CCP actually know what they are doing!!
Stitcher Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.17 07:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Stitcher on 17/08/2011 07:06:15 Originally by: Naradius To the OP - Your assumption is flawed, in that, CCP have yet to fulfill any plans...ever. They released the game didn't they? And we've got updated graphics and walking in stations (technically. In that we have characters who can walk, while in stations). - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.08.17 07:13:00 - [14] Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 17/08/2011 07:18:10 Originally by: Sader Rykane Run for CSM or stop whining. This Originally by: Judge Ment Most the people in BOB were CCP I can still remember this guy since he's keep showing the bottom line of human being's intelligence so well throughout the forum.... Originally by: Cearain Well they are doing more of a balance release in winter than with dominion. But here is the thing: Would you rather A) Run an alliance with all the information in the nda about the null sec winter release or B) Run an alliance without all the information in the nda about null sec winter release? Not a very hard question to answer is it? Obviously, as far as being a CSM could get access to the information which is not available to ordinary players, then there will have these advantages. Solution? No information being hided from CCP or CSM. or No CSM. or Let's find out that people whining about this are just minimum that we do not really have to care
Aelius Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2011.08.17 08:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia Because the last guy who tried to take advantage of his NDA knowledge was thrown out, banned, roflstomped, and got his balls put in a viceà WOW... the things CCP are able to do... trans-gender genetics FTW ___________________________________________ Hilmar in his childhood Please ensure your signature is within the allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24,000 bytes. Navigator
Digital Messiah Gallente Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.08.17 09:24:00 - [16] I think it is good to have that inside scoop running around. Most of the time it only effects a small minority and later allows a majority to specialize. Though I doubt to much info is getting leaked. Plus it grants insight to ccp from the player base on which changes will be most popular. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Dub Step Minmatar Death To Everyone But Us	Posted - 2011.08.17 09:31:00 - [17] Adam Ridgway
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.17 09:32:00 - [18] Imagine being CSM with prior knowledge about what CCP was planning on doing NPC sold consumer products around the Tyrannis expansion. Please point out how that knowledge would be an advantage, not a disadvantage. Basically everyone with a brain got stinking rich, and if the CSM had known more (such as to fall under NDA) they wouldn't personally have been able to profit from it despite how obvious the ramifications were of PI.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.17 13:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Imagine being CSM with prior knowledge about what CCP was planning on doing NPC sold consumer products around the Tyrannis expansion. Please point out how that knowledge would be an advantage, not a disadvantage. Basically everyone with a brain got stinking rich, and if the CSM had known more (such as to fall under NDA) they wouldn't personally have been able to profit from it despite how obvious the ramifications were of PI. Once its public knowledge then csm can act on it like every other player. So being on csm and knowing the nda material is never a disadvantage. But your point is a good one because they will likely have knowledge like this that players don't have. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.17 13:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Kogh Ayon Originally by: Cearain Well they are doing more of a balance release in winter than with dominion. But here is the thing: Would you rather A) Run an alliance with all the information in the nda about the null sec winter release or B) Run an alliance without all the information in the nda about null sec winter release? Not a very hard question to answer is it? Obviously, as far as being a CSM could get access to the information which is not available to ordinary players, then there will have these advantages. Solution? No information being hided from CCP or CSM. or No CSM. or Let's find out that people whining about this are just minimum that we do not really have to care IMO CSM seems to have very little good impact on the game to warrant any unfair treatment to certain players. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1

Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:07:00 - [21] Giving a person a heads up on how to make a guaranteed fortune makes no sense. On CCP it does. CCP: Not even once.
E man Industries	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:07:00 - [22] Well goons are shifting away from a dependency on moon goo to fund there ship replacment program... Make of that what you will. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin

CCP Xhagen	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Cearain The minutes from the last csm summit took a very long time to get published because they had to double check for nda stuff. How is it even possible that certain null sec alliance know more about the upcoming changes than everyone else, yet this isn't an advantage? I mean sure the csm may not know with certainty what ccp is going to do, but they know allot better than everyone else. This question falls under my purview. The answer is that all CSM members do sign an NDA (with their real names) - which is a certain deterrent when it comes to disclosure of and/or acting on information the normal player doesn't have. Furthermore, we (CCP) monitor what the CSM is up to, so they under more scrutiny than the normal player. And the CSM is adamant on upholding the NDA - on numerous occasions they contact us before posting just to make sure that they are not revealing anything. But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to make EVE better for all parties. We have a very good working relationship with the CSM and we trust that they don't abuse it. That is the core of the CSM. I hope this addresses your concerns. ____________________________ CSM Project Manager EVE Online CCP Games

Gripen	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:35:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Xhagen But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to make EVE better for all parties. We have a very good working relationship with the CSM and we trust that they don't abuse it. That is the core of the CSM. Cool story, bro.
Lilith Ishanoya Lai Dai Shipments	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:39:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Xhagen Originally by: Cearain The minutes from the last csm summit took a very long time to get published because they had to double check for nda stuff. How is it even possible that certain null sec alliance know more about the upcoming changes than everyone else, yet this isn't an advantage? I mean sure the csm may not know with certainty what ccp is going to do, but they know allot better than everyone else. This question falls under my purview. The answer is that all CSM members do sign an NDA (with their real names) - which is a certain deterrent when it comes to disclosure of and/or acting on information the normal player doesn't have. Furthermore, we (CCP) monitor what the CSM is up to, so they under more scrutiny than the normal player. And the CSM is adamant on upholding the NDA - on numerous occasions they contact us before posting just to make sure that they are not revealing anything. But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to make EVE better for all parties. We have a very good working relationship with the CSM and we trust that they don't abuse it. That is the core of the CSM. I hope this addresses your concerns. That is a very optimistic and quite possibly unrealistic view. __ Friendliness goes a long way
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:41:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Xhagen But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to make EVE better for all parties. We have a very good working relationship with the CSM and we trust that they don't abuse it. That is the core of the CSM. Did you keep a straight face when you typed that? Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:51:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Xhagen But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to get a free trip to Iceland and play golf under the midnight sun. And drink beer. I hope this addresses your concerns. I fixed your post for you. Seems your keyboard rearranged some of the letters spontaneously into nonsense while you were typing. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.08.17 14:56:00 - [28] CCP plants spais in corps/alliances to watch people privy to sensitive information. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Killer Gandry Caldari Shadow of the Pain	Posted - 2011.08.17 15:00:00 - [29] Edited by: Killer Gandry on 17/08/2011 15:00:31 Originally by: CCP Xhagen This question falls under my purview. The answer is that all CSM members do sign an NDA (with their real names) - which is a certain deterrent when it comes to disclosure of and/or acting on information the normal player doesn't have. Furthermore, we (CCP) monitor what the CSM is up to, so they under more scrutiny than the normal player. And the CSM is adamant on upholding the NDA - on numerous occasions they contact us before posting just to make sure that they are not revealing anything. But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to make EVE better for all parties. We have a very good working relationship with the CSM and we trust that they don't abuse it. That is the core of the CSM. I hope this addresses your concerns. And we have a winner for the EVE Fiction writing contest. Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.17 15:05:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Xhagen .... And the CSM is adamant on upholding the NDA - on numerous occasions they contact us before posting just to make sure that they are not revealing anything.... ...But I think you perhaps misunderstand why people run for the CSM. It is not to get information on what is coming to EVE and potentially gain from it, it is to make EVE better for all parties. .... Thanks for the response. But this is very little help. You say you monitor them, but they can talk out of game. Plus many things would be very hard to identify as a specific fraud. I realize one csm in the past got drunk and purchased billions of isk worth of something. That was a pretty blatant misuse of information. But not everyone will be so obvious. @ the first quoted sentence: The fact that CSM is adamant in keeping what they know from the rest of the players is actually not helpful to this particular concern. Sure they want to be the only ones with information. That is how they get the advantage. If they publicly released what they knew they would blow any advantage they had. @ the second quoted sentence: You know mittani explicitly said he isn't there to make the game better for all players, just those who elected him. Goons. Although I will agree Mittani is generally not to be trusted, I think I believe him on this. He has said numerous times he doesn't care about many different groups opinions. So I think you may misunderstand why people are running for csm. I am not reassured that you get along so well with certain people who I don't trust a bit. And it seems ccp is specifically marketing eve to people who would like to put up false pretenses in order to cheat others. So I'm not sure csm is a good match for the game. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1



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