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Cawt Yrmanlookin	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:30:00 - [1] We as Celstial Apocalypse would like a public statement from a Xetic representative on the matters of their MDT/NAP with SE, ATUK and other known pirate organizations. I was told in various chats and evemails that they share quite similar goals as Celest and are anti-pirate as we are. We were told will be asked to leave Xetic space if we are seen within its borders. I can't see why any alliance would close their space to Celest. Celest shoots every pirate we see, we don't mine (hence don't use up any resources) and if we NPC, what's the big deal, NPC's are unexhaustable. Closed alliances should welcome Celestial Apocalypse in their space. The preported reason these alliances close their space is for security, we are no threat to upstanding alliances. We were then told that Xetic will fire on us if seen engaging /ATUK/+buddies, yet TSBH (The Smite Brotherhood) and others are in SE space as we speak being provided ammo and other items by Xetic. TSBH has been told that Xetic doesn't have anything to do with it and will not engage them. So the question is, what exactly does your MDT/NAP intale? Only fire on the corps that SE order you to? And isn't firing on a corp that is non-pirate, has done nothing to your alliance and is ridding the universe of people like FOE that you are currently being attaked by, PIRATING? We understand that Xetic thinks our war with SE is prideful and foolish, but they were not there to witness the substantial amount of treachery by SE upon Celest, and you need not be concerned with that. TSBH is there because? is their reason better then ours? We and the rest of Eve are anxiously awaiting your statement Conram/Cyvok............... Cawt Yrmanlookin Diplomatic Dominatrix Officer A warrior's faith in her commander is her best armour and her strongest weapon.
Galavet	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Galavet on 01/03/2005 16:41:37 Alliances close their borders because they can, pirates cross them because they can. If you are saying you think its your right to cross closed borders without a reaction from said alliance your probably mistaken. Look if you want to shoot xetic go for it, But if you cross their closed borders and start shooting people (your enemys or xetics friends who have permission to be there) how are you any diffrent than the before mentioned pirates? Ask the old celest guys what happend when RKK left the NVA. We were told we were KOS if we crossed the NVA borders (and thats when we had good corp standings), so why would you expect the XF to be any diffrent??
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:41:00 - [3] So basically you're saying "Let us use your space or we will declare you a pirate orginization" ------------------------------------------
z danzig	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:43:00 - [4] i know i am :/ .... o well me drools Hiya cawt. Oh and Xetic arn't friends with us....i feel i am being left out
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:46:00 - [5] dude if you need someone to contact please visit www.xetic.org I am sure our people will like to discuss this with you in person rather than posting on these boards. These are our diplomats: Primer Xenius [HC], Australian Duncan [FND], Eastern American lachenlaud [GOI], Western American Lwen [CoRM], European Denmark We also have a president: Conram And Vice President: Cyvok I have cut this from our diplomatic contacts section I hope this helps.
mute	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:50:00 - [6] why dont u guys drop that se are piret bull**! I was there when the war on celes did happend and i know what did happen there. U dont need to lie to me about what happend. This war was not because of any piret act it was because u guys did not follow our rules! We have been warning neutrals not to enter our warzone and warned em they would be shoot u know why ? Because neutrals where shooting on SE pilots everyday for more then half year before SE did take an act and dont allow neutral into our warzone. U really think SE will just let neutrals entering HED to shoot our pilots ? So stop this bull** about se being a pirets it is soooo long way from being true and getting a bit tierd to hear. Do u really think Xetic will let u guys into there space to kill there friends who are helping them ? U dump or something ? Sad to tell u this but xetic and SE are verry close Allias and there will never bee any war between thouse good friends end of story! I hope i will see u guys more in space then here on forums!
Rehen	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:53:00 - [7] But pirate is such a gray area at the moment, a real pirate attacks a enamy for isk and loot ie merc corp and corps that make there isk off enetring other peoples space and killing there reasonably undefended members, for examble what storm elite dose. What happens when a nutral eneters your space and you kill him is that piracy No, it should simply called defending your borders. Unblinded by properganda S-E pirats as much as any other alliance, and xetic heiring mercs against FoE means xetic is just as bad as FoE probaly worse.
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.03.01 16:57:00 - [8] I see that you are posting with little relevant knowledge of the EVE universe political situation, nor of the mechanics which governs Stain or Xetic. I shall perhaps give you some enlightenment. The first item is the sentence proclaiming Stain and ATUK to be pirates. This is far from a commonly accepted stance, and as per the definition of pirate ATUK is most doubtfully a pirate organisation. And per the definition of sovereignity of EVE organisations, Stain cannot be pirates at all as they completely fail in the respect that they are a sovereign nation and can thus not pirate. Acting badly or shooting at the wrong targets is far from pirating. By the same coin, I shall leave it to you to examine what your own organisation falls under. It is not my place to do that, but I will tell you that it is far from glorious a definition. Moving onwards, I see that you naturally assume that any organisation is allowed within Xetic space as long as they share similar goals. This is absolutely propostrous, and is in fact the reason for me reacting enough to write this rather arrogant post. Xetic has, since the founding of the alliance, never allowed any other individuals, organisations, or alliances inside their territory. The exception was Immensea, but with the declaration of the united Federation, that allowance was revoked. In fact, Immensea has been closed even from the start due to hostilities between Stain and former Curse Alliance. As a rule of thumb, unless you are extremely well traversed in diplomatic conversations, you will not be allowed inside alliance space. The reason for this is that you may be cooperating with the numerous enemies the alliance has, with pirates, terrorists, or trying to exploit the territory financially. Another example, which strongly aply here, is that they may also exploit the territory to traverse into an ally's space and there cause havoc. Continuing, I feel it necessary to remind you that you are also asking for detail information about a diplomatic treaty between two organisations as if it were yours to know and read. While I appreciate that you are concerned and may also not be adverse to obtain the details through use of force, I must also remind you of your organisations claimed possition as protecting the lawful you are treading dangerously close to what is defined as terrorism. The rhethoric of engaging those who engage pirates make someone a pirate themselves, should be re-examined. If you have read thus far, I wish to excuse my harsh and arrogant tone. In either case, what was your question again? Xetic's connection to TSBH? Or was it their stance towards CELES? Oh, and I should await a response from Primer Xenius primarily. Ithildin Former Xetic minister. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Cawt Yrmanlookin	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:02:00 - [9] Thank you alts and people that this doesn't concern for responding. We are asking a simple question and as usual, people read and see the parts they want. Xetic is asked where exactly they stand and exactly what your "MDT/NAP" with ATUK and co/SE intales and what your stance is on piracy while being npped with a whole group of them. Pretty simple question to answer. I think all the people involved with Xetic deserve at least that so we know EXACTLY where we all stand. Killing one corp in a defensive treaty and not another is quite confusing for both sides. A warrior's faith in her commander is her best armour and her strongest weapon.
mute	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:04:00 - [10] This is just celes way to get more target.

Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Shin Ra on 01/03/2005 17:08:23 You want to drive a wedge between Stain and Xetic? Well several Xetic corporations are supplying the pirate corporations operating in Stain with ammo and often ships too. Baisically every single Xetic corporation member I have seen in the Stain region, with the notible exception of Celestial Horizon, have been supplying pirates. AS all of them either took too long or started messing us about, BURN EDEN decided to kill them all too. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Plim	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:11:00 - [12] Originally by: mute This is just celes way to get more target. Asking for Xetics official position is a way to get more targets? Im sure there is logic in that somewhere... if I look really really hard... Still looking... -----------------
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:14:00 - [13] Cawt, an eve-mail would of gained you the answers you seek, I believe, why was a post required? fwiw, however, Pirate is an outdated term. There are no pirates in eve. If there were, you'd be fighting them - instead you're running an empire war against people who associate with other people you claim to be pirates, aka an alliance. I find the assertion that any alliance that closes it's borders to CELES to be "pirate" quite laughable, tbh.
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Cawt Yrmanlookin Thank you alts and people that this doesn't concern for responding. We are asking a simple question and as usual, people read and see the parts they want. Xetic is asked where exactly they stand and exactly what your "MDT/NAP" with ATUK and co/SE intales and what your stance is on piracy while being npped with a whole group of them. Pretty simple question to answer. I think all the people involved with Xetic deserve at least that so we know EXACTLY where we all stand. Killing one corp in a defensive treaty and not another is quite confusing for both sides. Please try to contact the diplomatic people mentioned in my post above and review our humble website. I am sure they will be able to answer your questions directly. It would be easier for you and them as opposed to wading through several pages of trolling by 3rd parties. I am sorry if our response does not match your timescale. Try contacting those folks in game Lwen might be on already.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Dianabolic There are no pirates in eve. Were we supposed to turn the lights out on the way out? ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dianabolic There are no pirates in eve. Were we supposed to turn the lights out on the way out? CCP pulled the plug on that one, unfortunately, no light turnage required.
Sochin	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Cawt Yrmanlookin We as Celstial Apocalypse would like a public statement from a Xetic representative on the matters of their MDT/NAP with SE, ATUK and other known pirate organizations. I was told in various chats and evemails that they share quite similar goals as Celest and are anti-pirate as we are. We were told will be asked to leave Xetic space if we are seen within its borders. I can't see why any alliance would close their space to Celest. Celest shoots every pirate we see, we don't mine (hence don't use up any resources) and if we NPC, what's the big deal, NPC's are unexhaustable. Closed alliances should welcome Celestial Apocalypse in their space. The preported reason these alliances close their space is for security, we are no threat to upstanding alliances. We were then told that Xetic will fire on us if seen engaging /ATUK/+buddies, yet TSBH (The Smite Brotherhood) and others are in SE space as we speak being provided ammo and other items by Xetic. TSBH has been told that Xetic doesn't have anything to do with it and will not engage them. So the question is, what exactly does your MDT/NAP intale? Only fire on the corps that SE order you to? And isn't firing on a corp that is non-pirate, has done nothing to your alliance and is ridding the universe of people like FOE that you are currently being attaked by, PIRATING? We understand that Xetic thinks our war with SE is prideful and foolish, but they were not there to witness the substantial amount of treachery by SE upon Celest, and you need not be concerned with that. TSBH is there because? is their reason better then ours? We and the rest of Eve are anxiously awaiting your statement Conram/Cyvok............... Cawt Yrmanlookin Diplomatic Dominatrix Officer hahahahahahahaha Nemo me impune lacessit
Cawt Yrmanlookin	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:29:00 - [18] I have evemailed and chatted and I get 2 stories from the same alliance. I never said they were pirates because they closed their borders to us, god people read before posting sheesh. I will not reply again. If Xetic is the upstanding alliance they claim to be, it will be simple to clear this up. The reason for the public post is so there is no acusations of edited chatlogs and he said she said. We would just like it from the horse's mouths. Thank you again, Cawt Yrmanlookin Diplomatic Dominatrix Officer A warrior's faith in her commander is her best armour and her strongest weapon.
slip66	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Cawt Yrmanlookin I was told in various chats and evemails that they share quite similar goals as Celest and are anti-pirate as we are. We were told will be asked to leave Xetic space if we are seen within its borders. I can't see why any alliance would close their space to Celest. Celest shoots every pirate we see, we don't mine (hence don't use up any resources) and if we NPC, what's the big deal, NPC's are unexhaustable. Closed alliances should welcome Celestial Apocalypse in their space. The preported reason these alliances close their space is for security, we are no threat to upstanding alliances. Cawt Yrmanlookin Diplomatic Dominatrix Officer Your ideas of who is a pirate and who isnt has gotten you alot of enemys to the point now, where your seen as a pirate group in some corners. Your at odds with nearly every major pvp group. Its not allways black and white theres a crap load of grey. Maybe you need to adjust your perception of "pirate".
Shylan	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:33:00 - [20] lol you CELEST pilots think you have the right to go whereever you want to just because your so called "Anti-Pirate". If an alliance closes its borders to you then entering their space is an act of piracy against that alliance. Cawt you slammed people who this thread doesnt affect for responding, if you didnt want people to respond why post the thread in the first place, as Dianabolic said you should have just sent an eve-mail.

Shamad Conde	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:40:00 - [21] This is supposed to be a diplomatic post? Can we please go back to posting with Celestial Voice, this clown here is rather silly to negotiate with.
Malken	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Shylan lol you CELEST pilots think you have the right to go whereever you want to just because your so called "Anti-Pirate". If an alliance closes its borders to you then entering their space is an act of piracy against that alliance. Cawt you slammed people who this thread doesnt affect for responding, if you didnt want people to respond why post the thread in the first place, as Dianabolic said you should have just sent an eve-mail. and as cawt just posted, she has done that and gotten several differnet and contradicting versions and would like a official version that is clear enough for even you to understand. maybe you should read before you open your mouth. Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:42:00 - [23] lol at celest.. cawt will remo advise you on who to call from the can if you start shooting those that dont respond.? STAN FACTA NON VERBA
Lodhi	Posted - 2005.03.01 17:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Shamad Conde This is supposed to be a diplomatic post? Can we please go back to posting with Celestial Voice, this clown here is rather silly to negotiate with. Ok if a bid u some stfu and next time if u want to post some jibberish **** leave the personal insults out of it, kthx Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace
Plim	Posted - 2005.03.01 18:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Lodhi Originally by: Shamad Conde This is supposed to be a diplomatic post? Can we please go back to posting with Celestial Voice, this clown here is rather silly to negotiate with. Ok if a bid u some stfu and next time if u want to post some jibberish **** leave the personal insults out of it, kthx I lub you Lodhi =) And when were m0o negotiating with Cawt? Cawt makes a perfectly rational post, and all these angry kids come on and make themselves look stupid. In CS there is an angry kid on every server, on the EVE-O forums there are a few angry kids in every thread -----------------
Damith	Posted - 2005.03.01 18:04:00 - [26] People are posting because its obvious where this is leading (xetic empire war), and the smokescreen your trying to put up is not near thick enough (Do you lub ATUK check yes or no). So Has the war dec been cycled already, or are you going to wait till xetic post before you start it?
Balistic Void	Posted - 2005.03.01 18:09:00 - [27] We at Force of Evil alliance pledge to stand by our CELEST brethren. Together we will defeat these evil harborers of pirates!
Plim	Posted - 2005.03.01 18:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Damith People are posting because its obvious where this is leading (xetic empire war), and the smokescreen your trying to put up is not near thick enough (Do you lub ATUK check yes or no). So Has the war dec been cycled already, or are you going to wait till xetic post before you start it? Is your hair green under that hood troll? I say again, how does asking for Xetics official position mean that we are going to end up fighting them? If anything, clearing things up could stop any potential antaginism. -----------------
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.03.01 18:15:00 - [29] Agen im a forced to ask Celest WHAT HAS IT GOT TO DO WITH U??
Lodhi	Posted - 2005.03.01 18:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Balistic Void We at Force of Evil alliance pledge to stand by our CELEST brethren. Together we will defeat these evil harborers of pirates! Best post so far, atleast u got some humor Cowboy > Mal you stay and daddy CB will buy you a new white and pink dress with lace



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