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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:22:00 -
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Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
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Rubix Khamsi
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:28:00 -
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stay in highsec.
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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:28:00 -
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0/10
Far far too obvious and not nearly amusing enough. ~~~ Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder
You should play a different game, not EVE. Or at least, you should stay in highsec, in a NPC corp. _
Akita T USEFUL EVE LINKS collection |
Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:31:00 -
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The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellend Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
Eve is a PvP centric game.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:44:00 -
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To be honest the best thing to do is stay in Empire, Don't come on the forums (to be trolled) and CCP doesn't tolerate people who try to take advantage of you care bear needs.
there are loop holes in the system so don't shoot someone, if you don't want to be shot back!
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Hwong Jian
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:54:00 -
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Hello, capsuleer.
Welcome to New Eden. It has come to our attention that you have a few questions about this brave new world. Allow me to answer a majority of them with a few short sentences.
This galaxy is broken down into "zones" based on the "security" level assigned to each system by our local policing force, CONCORD. In "high sec", they patrol every system and cover every part of the vacuum within that system. Unwanted and unlawful acts of aggression are responded to with swift and decisive action taken upon the aggressor. In "low sec", CONCORD does not patrol. However, the main areas of travel, specifically stations and jump gates, are watched over by automated sentry guns that will engage unlawful aggressors. Outside of "high sec" and "low sec", the rule of law is simply "might makes right". This is the result of basic human nature and the fact that there are no established laws other than what the current occupants feel they are capable of enforcing.
Should you chose to reside in "high sec", you will be protected to the best of CONCORD's ability. Travelling beyond "high sec" places you at the possible mercy of your fellow capsuleers. Think of it as a lawless frontier.
Should you continue to desire to have your hand held and the snot wiped from your nose as you sniffle about unfair treatment, we recommend that you either return to "high sec", where CONCORD will do their best to baby you and give you a sense of security, in actual secured space. Or, should you wish to continue in null security space with the hopes of being protected from mean, nasty, evil pilots seeking to do you harm, we suggest that you make friends with some very powerful people.
In all of your endeavors, we wish you luck.
-Hwong
Translation: gtfo of null sec if you want to have your hand held and your ass wiped for you.
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011 0/10
Far far too obvious and not nearly amusing enough.
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okst666
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:55:00 -
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A while back, my wife played ryzom... they have something interesting there - a button to opt out pvp. You cannot agress other players or be agressed by them. I think something like that could work in eve too.
Switching between the states of that option given every 24h. Only in highsec of course and maybe only on the main account, to prevent unvulnerable hauler/support alts. If someone wants to pay for an indestructabe transport character..good for ccp. PvP allways on, if wardec.
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Marara Kovacs
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: okst666 A while back, my wife played ryzom... they have something interesting there - a button to opt out pvp. You cannot agress other players or be agressed by them. I think something like that could work in eve too.
Switching between the states of that option given every 24h. Only in highsec of course and maybe only on the main account, to prevent unvulnerable hauler/support alts. If someone wants to pay for an indestructabe transport character..good for ccp. PvP allways on, if wardec.
I have a much much better option that will keep everyone happy; if you dont want to ever pvp, go and play something else.
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okst666
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:08:00 -
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But there is no mmog like eve without pvp.
Ccp might get rich, if they come up with a server where no pvp is possible. As an option. You do not have to like it.
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Ryhss
Caldari The Excecutorans
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.
Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: okst666 A while back, my wife played ryzom... they have something interesting there - a button to opt out pvp. You cannot agress other players or be agressed by them. I think something like that could work in eve too.
No, it would not because PvP in EVE extends so far beyond simple combat, and is so integral to pretty much everything you do in this game, that you'd basically lock yourself out of the game if you did that.
A "no PvP" switch in EVE would have to have at least the following restrictions: + You can obviously no longer lock any player ship. + You can no longer activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. + You can no longer use the market, contracts or the trading window. + You can no longer access or manage POSes and their services. + You can no longer mine. + You can no longer shoot rats. + You can no longer open any kind of container in space. + You can no longer use the on-board scanner or scan probes. + You can no longer be in a fleet. + You can no longer use salvagers. + You can no longer access the industry interface. + You can no longer access player-sovereign systems. + You can no longer access free-floating permanent sites in space. + àand probably many more that I can't think of now.
Without those restrictions, such a switch would be abused to hell and back and would interfere with the PvP portions of the game.
Oh, and as for the OP: no, you should not, because everything you do affects everyone else, and they need to be able to keep you from doing that. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Wu Tarot
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rubix Khamsi stay in highsec.
and away from anywhere with lots (or any really) of people
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:34:00 -
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High sec is dangerous too. Two people in Tempest battle ships blew up my Gila after we argued. They died from the police because they broke the law, so I fell better. I was only fit with low tech modules. I asked them why and they said they did it for the laughs out louds.
Now I don't mind other people from having fun,but when their fun interferes with my fun, then there is an issue.
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Hicksimus
Gallente Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:43:00 -
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Creating a 1 day old alt to say this? GTFO troll.
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malcovas Henderson
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:47:00 -
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If you cannot understand the concept of Eve. Then maybe you should go back to WoW
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard High sec is dangerous too.
Yes. It's not meant to be safe. It's simply a place where aggression comes at a cost.
Quote: Now I don't mind other people from having fun,but when their fun interferes with my fun, then there is an issue.
No, that is not an issue ù it's what happens when you play in a multiplayer sandbox. If you don't want that, then a multiplayer sandbox game is simply not for you. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: KFenn on 20/08/2011 00:01:26
Originally by: Sofia Bellard Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
This post is pure gold. Did you really expect a post like this not to get flamed? EVE is a PvP game. It is based around meaningful player interaction. And for me, violencing people's boats is one of such interactions. If you don't like this then go play something Singleplayer.
Thing is it's fun to hunt and kill people. And pirates stand to profit from it so why would we leave you alone? As for "I've done nothing to you", did you really think some E-Honour would save you?
Silly carebears.
TL;DR version:
Originally by: malcovas Henderson If you cannot understand the concept of Eve. Then maybe you should go back to WoW
---------------------------------------- Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Federation |
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Lord Mudekai
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:09:00 -
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Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP? I think that if someone wants to mine til their head explodes then let them, they shouldnt have to be worried about some dumbass who thinks they should be pvping and not mining to force PvP upon them because they are not playing the game the way that they think they should be. If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP. Let all the PvP'ers pay for the damn game and see how they like it when all the carebears leave(with all of their multiple accounts) and the whole of EvE comes crashing down because now theres no people/targets to shoot at that wont shoot back.
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Azunai TheDefendr
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:12:00 -
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Truth is... you are never safe anywhere in eve. If I were a pirate I would go to high sec and grief any and every miner and hauler I could as long as I had the isk for the ships just for fun :D
The right to safe mining and industry is the same as saying you want double standerds. It is worthless raiding mission runners where they have nothing to loose except they're ships. And poping the ship alone is worthless because they're goal is isk and status with agents.
Miners and haulers have the most to loose and you can be sure to hit them where it will hurt them the most. Without an escort you might as well bend over and kiss your ass good by.
I am not a pirate. but going out of my way to ruin a nouther pilots day is what makes pirateing fun. Causeing others grief makes a pirate feel better lol
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Mariko Musashi Hareka
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:17:00 -
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Well see theres another problem people whos only focus is to get their jollys off by ruining another persons game. It sickened me that an EvE player that had a very serious illness/handicap had posted on the forums to put his experience with EvE out there only to have a bunch of people to rip on him like he was a whining child. He even said that he would love to try to pvp but with his physical limitations could not do so even for a short time, and these people just tore into him just makes me sick how some people get their excitement by terrorizing a handicapped person just because he mines and doesnt pvp because he physical cant.
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nubile slave
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:23:00 -
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4/10 for so many people biting on the Troll....
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Mudekai Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP?
Because they are PvP too.
That is why EVE is a PvP game (and not just "supposed to"): because everything you do in this game is done in competition with other players. If you mine until your head explodes, then someone else will go without ore, because you took it all. Blowing you up to bring that competition to a grinding halt is an entirely valid way of getting you out of the way.
Quote: If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP.
And again, it already has removed everything elseà well, nearly. There are exactly two things in this game that are not subject to PvP: clicking the "request mission" button and clicking the "complete mission" button. And those two activities are there because the biggest PvP arena of them all ù the market ù needs some ISK to grease its wheels.
You cannot play EVE without competing with other players. If you don't want them to compete back, you have to go somewhere else, because this game will not, and cannot provide the peace and quiet you are looking for. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:30:00 -
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High sec is for carebearing, it's that simple. Low and null, and to a greater degree wormholes, are meant to be increasing risk/reward. In other words, not for carebearing.
Monocles are so two weeks ago.
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Zag'mar Jurkar
Minmatar Advent of the Blood Sun
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zag''mar Jurkar on 20/08/2011 00:45:49 And then everyone goes to null/low, grind missions, mine or anything, everyone doing it because it is what's bringing more money to the table, but then as everyone does it, all the loot you got from there start decreasing in price, lowering your incomes to a point where it isn't really much more profitable than hi-sec.
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Lazrim
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Posted - 2011.08.20 01:08:00 -
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Hopefully soon CCP will make a single player Eve game for OP and players like him, sort of like Morrowind. That way other people can't bother him while he's playing his game. Until then though when you walk into a game you play by the rules. If you can't hang you don't change the rules you either get better or you find something more to your skill level/liking. No one has ever burned my crops or looted my farmhouse in Farmville. It's a good alternative for folks who cannot excel at Eve and like the whole building up thingy.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.20 03:52:00 -
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Dear Sofia Bellard, assuming that's even your real main (which I doubt),
You obviously missed the point of what Eve is truly about. It is about survival of the fittest, cut-throat competition (of all levels), and adapting to your environment. You should have gotten that idea when CCP first posted trailers of capsuleers shredding each other to pieces, the Eve chronicles describing the violent nature of New Eden, etc. Now here you are posting your demands on how you like to mission run in piece with no one attacking you for no reason (in low-sec of all places).
If I were you, go play Guild Wars or something. At least there, you can carebear to your hearts content without fear of someone shooting at you. Here in Eve, we all know far too well that we live in the world of New Eden to do whatever it takes to not only survive but to also adapt and prosper. Those who refuse to adapt are left with two undesirable choices: get the hell out of Eve or suffer from the guns of our ships.
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MizoSoop
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:58:00 -
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I think that miners should be allowed to force pvpers to mine. Turnabout is fair play. Then we'd see complaints like "a care bear forced me to abandon my pvp roam and mine for hours!" omg!
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lucifers widow
United Front Alliance renting corp
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Posted - 2011.08.20 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011 0/10
Far far too obvious and not nearly amusing enough.
Yet people still biting, got to upgrade to at least a 4/10 I feel.
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.20 10:16:00 -
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My point is, why bother with the missions at all if the people hiring me, don't bother to show up to defend me?
First rule of investing is to protect your investment.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.20 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard My point is, why bother with the missions at all if the people hiring me, don't bother to show up to defend me?
First rule of investing is to protect your investment.
Because gameplay > RP. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.08.20 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rubix Khamsi stay in highsec.
Stay in 1950's America. WoW is -----> this way. BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
malaire
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Posted - 2011.08.20 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard My point is, why bother with the missions at all if the people hiring me, don't bother to show up to defend me?
First rule of investing is to protect your investment.
The agent who offered you mission thought you could handle it. But just in case the agent was wrong, you only get paid after the mission is finished.
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Galalissa Noban
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Posted - 2011.08.20 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Galalissa Noban on 20/08/2011 11:33:07
Originally by: Marara Kovacs
I have a much much better option that will keep everyone happy; if you dont want to ever pvp, go and play something else.
I've gotta laugh at tards like this .
You do realise that without the " Carebear " population , this game would be dead ? ...... same with virtually every other MMO out there that has PvP in it.
People need to realise , that the Majority of mmo players enjoy PvP " WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO " , they do NOT enjoy having it forced on them .
People who ONLY want ot PvP all the time are in the serious minority and need to get a grip on reality .
This is proven in EvE by the sheer amount of players in NPC corps.
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Kion Clarix
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.08.20 11:37:00 -
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This thread brought warm feelings to my tummy.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.20 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Galalissa Noban People need to realise , that the Majority of mmo players enjoy PvP " WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO " , they do NOT enjoy having it forced on them .
There's a difference between not enjoying having it forced upon you and not accepting that it can happen even though that possibility is purposefully designed into the gameà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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CCP Soundwave
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.20 11:41:00 -
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Nope, sorry.
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Franz Zjivago
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Posted - 2011.08.20 11:55:00 -
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Why to ppl market this game as PvP ? it has ganking.
If you want pvp im very certain WoW would provide you with much better options thb.
The issues this game has with low/nullsec is because of how pvp is not working, high sec might be carebear but its a fully functioning part of EvE.
we dont want concord in low null sec but unfortunately thats the thing which make high sec work.
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Shartifartblast
Minmatar In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.20 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Got to love when the dev's also smacktalk the whiners/trolls ~~~
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.08.20 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
You're not sorry.
Fix Lag! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.20 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai on 20/08/2011 13:25:31
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Translation: this is not about what you pay CCP for, it is about what CCP sells to you.
Like, 20 $ virtual shirts.
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Taedrin
Gallente Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Galalissa Noban Edited by: Galalissa Noban on 20/08/2011 11:33:07
Originally by: Marara Kovacs
I have a much much better option that will keep everyone happy; if you dont want to ever pvp, go and play something else.
I've gotta laugh at tards like this .
You do realise that without the " Carebear " population , this game would be dead ? ...... same with virtually every other MMO out there that has PvP in it.
People need to realise , that the Majority of mmo players enjoy PvP " WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO " , they do NOT enjoy having it forced on them .
People who ONLY want ot PvP all the time are in the serious minority and need to get a grip on reality .
This is proven in EvE by the sheer amount of players in NPC corps.
Virtually everything you do in EVE is about PvP. You say that mining is a carebear activity, yet I can most certainly tell you that this is a PvP activity in it's own right, once you realize that some bastard came and cherry picked all of YOUR ABC ores that you have been working so hard to maintain industry levels for in your system.
Furthermore, EVE has many, many "industrialist PvPers" who would be ALL too happy to pick up the slack in the event that all carebears left the game. After all, driving away the competition is one of the most profitable activities for industrialist PvPers. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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GateScout
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
Fixed your post, Op. Carry on.
Just like the title says; I should be able to kill whoever I want at any time instead of worrying if some pathetic carebear is trying to avoid me.
Killing mission runners in low sec and null demands full attention or you will find yourself in hull. Why should I have to enlist a second person to probe the system because someone wants to protect their carebear alt from me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to avoid a fight?
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Meita Way
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Posted - 2011.08.20 16:06:00 -
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More Soundwave please.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Dock 94
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Posted - 2011.08.20 16:22:00 -
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No, you should not. ____________________
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.20 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai on 20/08/2011 13:25:31
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Translation: this is not about what you pay CCP for, it is about what CCP sells to you.
Like, 20 $ virtual shirts.
It's funny how that works.
Why just the other day I signed up with a new ISP. All I wanted was a connection to game on and go to safe web sites that I was familiar with.
Instead, to my shock, I found that my cable service was providing access to ALL the web... including sites I would "never" go to, viruses, spam, and a whole lot of other things I didn't want.
They had the nerve to tell me that I got what I paid for. I say they are shoving all that other unwanted stuff down my throat.
When I give them money, why can't they provide only what "I" want.
Totally unacceptable. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Lazrim
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Posted - 2011.08.20 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lazrim on 20/08/2011 16:47:32 I think you don't understand the difference between "I want" and "What they are selling"
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fix Lag
Originally by: CaldariCitizen19082011 0/10
Far far too obvious and not nearly amusing enough.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:39:00 -
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Nope.
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Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:40:00 -
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That's cool bro. Just stay in hi sec. But dont expect the rewards for your risk free carebearing that others will receive elsewhere
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia That's cool bro. Just stay in hi sec. But dont expect the rewards for your risk free carebearing that others will receive elsewhere
And remember to keep watching over your shoulder for potential war-targets that might be coming your way.. and be wary of that other player who warped into your mission, who then just had another 9 friends of his on battleships warp as well, and are all locking you..
Yeah, on high-sec i mean. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Anatat
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Posted - 2011.08.20 19:19:00 -
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I'd be interested to know if the power of Concord has increased proportionately with the power of player's ships, alpha ability, and modules. If not that would be something to complain about. Otherwise, I think it's just the game you signed up for. Anyone or CCP know if Concord has progressed?
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.08.20 19:33:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious. --- Drykor - AHARM |
Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2011.08.20 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?
1/10.
Recently I tried buying jeans and keeping the money. Didn't work well, and they weren't even $1000 ones.
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Zelda Wei
Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.08.20 21:30:00 -
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Predictable responses from the same old eunuchs that are so inadequate they need to target unskilled alts and newbies.
Zeros every one of you.
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malcovas Henderson
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Posted - 2011.08.20 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zelda Wei
Predictable responses from the same old eunuchs that are so inadequate they need to target unskilled alts and newbies.
Zeros every one of you.
I'm a high sec carebear atm. I like that fact that going into low/null sec has consequences. When I get there my game will be 100% better. I will still PvE, but I will certainly not cry, because I was not paying attention to what my screen was telling me.
I understand the concept of EvE. Do you?
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Wu Tarot
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:17:00 -
[59]
obvious troll but
Quote:
Carebear: I know there is much to learn from each other if we can make a truce. We can find a way to co-exist. Can there be a peace between us? Everyone else: Peace? NO PEACE! Carebear: What is it you want us to do? Everyone else: Die... Die.
Originally by: K'uata Sayus I now realize the door I see every time I dock is actually a pay toilet, and uses Aurum only.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:27:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Lazrim I think you don't understand the difference between "I want" and "What they are selling"
Succinct and thorough. +1 ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Valentina Valentia
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:37:00 -
[61]
Why are all the female avatars so hideous in this thread!?!? wow... some people need a make-over...
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Roxy Mitchell
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:42:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Drykor Obvious troll is obvious.
Overused meme is overused.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:44:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Roxy Mitchell
Originally by: Drykor Obvious troll is obvious.
Overused meme is overused.
yet no less true -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
Komen
Gallente Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:47:00 -
[64]
Can't tell if serious or not; whatever.
Too lazy to bother reading if someone's already said it, so: You consent to PvP when you start an account. If you wish a spaceship game with a deep economy and optional PvP, I suggest you hit the books and get on with developing that. Hell, if it's good, I might come play.
This game's too soft on PvP already, for a supposed PvP-centric affair (See: The hue and cry over local chat, where wormholes have shown that it is possible to operate without, and yet OH GOD ITS SO DANGEROUS OH I MIGHT LOSE MY SHINY SHINY SHIP AND THEN ID CRY AND TEAR OUT MY HAIR...).
The fact that you have local chat, and directional scan, and these two things will reveal your danger almost instantly is not enough, shows that you really haven't been paying attention to what Eve is supposed to be about.
CCP Soundwave's reply above is heartening. I could wish it more strongly worded, but it'll do.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.20 23:26:00 -
[65]
want a game where you fly spaceships an dont lose yer ship? Go play STO -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
Jacob Stiller
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Posted - 2011.08.20 23:29:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Komen If you wish a spaceship game with a deep economy and optional PvP, I suggest you hit the books and get on with developing that. Hell, if it's good, I might come play.
There is the single player game that inspired Eve, Elite. Problem is that game and its 2 sequels are 16-25 years old. Elite 4 began development in 2000 as a MMORPG but it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome. But for all I know, Elite 4 could very well wind up PvP centric as well.
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Wu Tarot
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Posted - 2011.08.20 23:43:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Jacob Stiller it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome.
Itll get bought by Gearbox and suck?
Originally by: K'uata Sayus I now realize the door I see every time I dock is actually a pay toilet, and uses Aurum only.
Remember CCP SOE knew better than us what was best for SWG too |
Because Of Door
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Posted - 2011.08.21 00:14:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard Now I don't mind other people from having fun,but when their fun interferes with my fun, then there is an issue.
Just keep it legal. Draw the curtains when you next get the turnips out...
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Wu Tarot
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Posted - 2011.08.21 00:47:00 -
[69]
Hey Door, you hidin from the same ppl I am?
Originally by: K'uata Sayus I now realize the door I see every time I dock is actually a pay toilet, and uses Aurum only.
Remember CCP SOE knew better than us what was best for SWG too |
Jacob Stiller
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Posted - 2011.08.21 01:15:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Wu Tarot
Originally by: Jacob Stiller it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome.
Itll get bought by Gearbox and suck?
Rather, it will stay in development for so long that if it is released, its game design will be hopelessly outdated. Duke Nukem Forever would've been received a lot differently if it was actually released in the late 1990's.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.08.21 01:25:00 -
[71]
I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.21 02:20:00 -
[72]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Why not? Every time I hire someone or a group to protect me, it is in fact THEM that kill me! So I should be allowed to have some NPC protection. At least they won't stab me in the back.
Originally by: BrundleMeth I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....
Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?
Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.21 02:22:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Tippia on 21/08/2011 02:24:49
Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Why not?
For the same reason you can't raise chickens and grow crops in CS_Italy: because it's not that kind of game.
Quote: Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?
No. It's because you don't want to play in the sandbox, period. Because that's what you're asking for: a way to not be in the same universe as everyone else; you don't want to be affected by the world around you. The sandbox doesn't work that way ù quite the opposite.
Quote: Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.
Get some friends. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.21 02:24:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Sofia Bellard on 21/08/2011 02:24:12
Originally by: Tippia Get some friends.
Tried that. They killed me. Got any other genius ideas?
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.21 02:25:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: Tippia Get some friends.
Tried that. They killed me. Got any other genius ideas?
Get some actual friends. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Etoche
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Posted - 2011.08.21 02:29:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?
easy.....risk versus reward
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.08.21 02:33:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: BrundleMeth I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....
Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?
No starting a stupid threa like this makes you an idiot. The whole point of your whine is to tell others they should play YOUR way doofus. What is happening to you is prefectly predictable and absolutely allowed. Are you that clueless?
Quote: Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.
No !!! Bottome line is you are clearly in the wrong game. We don't adapt to your needs. We play as we see fit. Adapt or get out...
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Ildryn
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Posted - 2011.08.21 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Mudekai Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP? I think that if someone wants to mine til their head explodes then let them, they shouldnt have to be worried about some dumbass who thinks they should be pvping and not mining to force PvP upon them because they are not playing the game the way that they think they should be. If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP. Let all the PvP'ers pay for the damn game and see how they like it when all the carebears leave(with all of their multiple accounts) and the whole of EvE comes crashing down because now theres no people/targets to shoot at that wont shoot back.
They have those other professions for things to do other than shoot people. It is still pvp. You sell to someone you buy from someone you interact with something and it is a player trying to buy low and sell high. PVP Seriously this argument was dead over 7 years ago. Shut up.
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Toshiroma McDiesel
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Posted - 2011.08.21 04:42:00 -
[79]
Sightly off topic, but brought up by someone else in this thread, if mining is to be considered a form of PVP, I vote for a way to challenge a Corp that war decs you to a mine off
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Jacob Stiller
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Posted - 2011.08.21 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiroma McDiesel Sightly off topic, but brought up by someone else in this thread, if mining is to be considered a form of PVP, I vote for a way to challenge a Corp that war decs you to a mine off
Its because of people like you that we have such lame things as "dance offs."
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Wu Tarot
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Posted - 2011.08.21 07:03:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Wu Tarot on 21/08/2011 07:07:40
Originally by: Jacob Stiller
Originally by: Wu Tarot
Originally by: Jacob Stiller it seems to be suffering from Duke Nukem Forever syndrome.
Itll get bought by Gearbox and suck?
Rather, it will stay in development for so long that if it is released, its game design will be hopelessly outdated. Duke Nukem Forever would've been received a lot differently if it was actually released in the late 1990's.
It would also have been better off if not made.
Have to agree http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3581-Duke-Nukem-Forever-for-real-this-time an for ****s n giggles: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1968-Viewers-Choice-Duke-Nukem-Forever
Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Why not? Every time I hire someone or a group to protect me, it is in fact THEM that kill me! So I should be allowed to have some NPC protection. At least they won't stab me in the back.
Originally by: BrundleMeth I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....
Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?
Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.
Originally by: Sullen Skoung want a game where you fly spaceships an dont lose yer ship? Go play STO
Thats Star Trek Online an (never thought Id say this)its right up your alley
Originally by: Toshiroma McDiesel Sightly off topic, but brought up by someone else in this thread, if mining is to be considered a form of PVP, I vote for a way to challenge a Corp that war decs you to a mine off
I swear I remember a dev blog where the DEV said everything is PVP in this game, from mining to marketting
It is funny to see a CCP representative saying "no" to this question tho
Originally by: K'uata Sayus I now realize the door I see every time I dock is actually a pay toilet, and uses Aurum only.
Remember CCP SOE knew better than us what was best for SWG too |
carrottyphoid
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Posted - 2011.08.21 10:01:00 -
[82]
It's much more fun when you are on the other side...muhaahahahhahaha
ehm..mauahahahahahahahaha h
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.21 11:06:00 -
[83]
So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?
Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?!
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.08.21 11:15:00 -
[84]
He mad.
He sounds mad.
Also.
I think he might be.
Jelly.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.21 11:15:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?
Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?!
Get back to work slave.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.08.21 11:24:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?
Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?!
The census is that whiny players that are unable to adapt and want to change the very nature of the game (sandbox) should rather play a different game.
You have lots of options to avoid what you would call "griefing". This is not one of those "single-player" mmos you might have played before.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.08.21 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Solstice Project on 21/08/2011 11:27:23 You guys still are talking about this ?
This topic is the perfect troll-topic.
It's obvious that there's no reason to talk about this, because the game is as it is ...
... and still, as soon as somebody comes up and demands the game changes, "everybody and their mother" starts posting. *lol*
Funny. Give it a rest. Hunt him down. If he's an alt, try to find out who he really is and show him how the game works ... ... and ... the door. ^^
Peace ! :)
Edit: No, wait. Scratch the peace.
War ! :)
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Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.21 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?
It makes you a target. The fact that you take issue with that makes you an idiot. It's amusing that you're not taking all this as a learning experience that you've been earning isk the hard way instead of earning it the smart way. -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.08.21 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia For the same reason you can't raise chickens and grow crops in CS_Italy: because it's not that kind of game.
There actually are chickens in CS_Italy though. So it could be possible, so long as someone didn't knife them.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.21 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 21/08/2011 12:16:47 Right from its inception EVE has had this thing where it's a pretty darn good s-f simulator - it's got great lore, a beautifully designed universe, spaceships and matTriel, great naming of things, and everything is nice and deep and takes ages to "finish".
And while the PvE is sort of meh in terms of engaging gameplay, it's an entertaining enough minigame to try and make one's PvE isk earning as efficient as possible.
IOW, despite some flaws, it's by far the best s-f space sim in town. So it attracts people who would like to just play a nice PvE multiplayer s-f simulator.
But unfortunately for them, it has this PvP carbuncle, in that it's designed as a PvP game from the ground up, with the PvE being an adjunct to that.
So, a fellow who just wants a nice space sim to relax with after work has two choices: either they can work around the PvP, find some way to tolerate it and still carve their own little bit of quiet s-f sim for themselves, or GTFO.
I think the bears who have settled into EVE have chosen the former route - we get to grips with the game, and how to avoid trouble as much as possible - and/or, if trouble comes, find the best ways of coping with it.
Plus also, we eventually come to understand that even though it's annoying sometimes, the PvP basis of the game actually makes it feel much more alive than a merely PvE game could ever do. The fact that you're constantly at risk in this game gives it a spice and flavour you couldn't get if you had guaranteed safety to just float about in your own little la la land.
I suggest the OP think of it that way - and eventually they will "get" it. And also, they'll get the bear's quiet satisfaction of avoiding being ganked. Gankbear tears of frustration are tears of the same colour and consistency as any other, and using the tools CCP have given you to avoid trouble is, in itself ... PvP. *****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
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Mokokan
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Posted - 2011.08.21 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?
Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?!
You're not paying attention. You're the only one saying that mission runners are outcasts and at a disadvantage. This game is a very complicated, expanded version of rock, paper scissors. Sometimes scissors can beat rock, but it isn't easy and nothing gets handed to you. And it still might be true that this isn't the game for you. Especially if you give up this easily.
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Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.21 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Velicitia on 21/08/2011 12:33:53
Originally by: Sofia Bellard So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that miners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?
Why do you even have mining if you hate miners so damn much?!
FYP
Also, I happen to be a carebear miner/indy pilot...
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Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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sg1jack
Caldari The Omega Particle
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Posted - 2011.08.21 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: GateScout
Originally by: Sofia Bellard Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Fixed your post, Op. Carry on.
Just like the title says; I should be able to kill whoever I want at any time instead of worrying if some pathetic carebear is trying to avoid me.
Killing mission runners in low sec and null demands full attention or you will find yourself in hull. Why should I have to enlist a second person to probe the system because someone wants to protect their carebear alt from me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to avoid a fight?
I think this might be part of the problem, this kind of thinking that someone who wants pvp and someone that wants to carebear should be forced together or apart because one of the 2 wants it. I have seen an overriding trend in just about ever mmo out there to force combat between players but the sucsessful ones offer something for both. Eve offers something for both but greys the lines between the two. I think this is a good thing but I think it would destroy Eve is pvp focused players could kill who the like where they like.
Eve has a great sepperation for carebears and pvpers but allows interaction between the 2. CCP what ever you do I hthink that keeping the pvp / carebear parts of Eve as they are that way both types of player get something they want as opposed to no combat or full combat
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Komen
Gallente Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.08.21 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard Edited by: Sofia Bellard on 21/08/2011 02:24:12
Originally by: Tippia Get some friends.
Tried that. They killed me. Got any other genius ideas?
Try not being a whiny carebear and understanding what the game is about before you go off spewing your ideas of what you think it ought to be? It's only been a PvP-centric affair for, oh, 8 years, and most of the media coverage is about the scams, the piracy, and the grand battles (and lag, and protests, etc.). And a dev has come along and said as much; if you don't like what's on offer here, don't play. Or go grab you some Star Trek Online. Or that Star Wars Old Republic thing. Really, you seem to be failing to grasp that you have consented to PvP by creating an account within the game.
Again, if you don't want that, go make your own spaceship game with a deep economy. Because in this one, the economy is in service of the PvP (or at least, that's the ideal, I realize it is not always the case, before you get out your flamethrower, you there who's already hammering at your keyboard).
To the person who mentioned Elite 4 - yeah, I know of it, and it's as vaporware as any other legacy project at this point: I'll believe it when I see it and even then, I'll treat it with wary interest. Also, you should know that Ultima Online was as much an inspiration for Eve as Elite.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard So it is the consensus of the players and even CCP that mission runners should always be the outcast and always at a disadvantage?
Why do you even have mission running if you hate them so damn much?!
No, the consensus is that mission runners have to play within the game world, just like everyone else. Again: this is a multiplayer sandbox, which doesn't mean that you are free to do what you want ù it means that everyone is free to do what they want, which includes blowing you up for no apparent reason, whether you want them to or not. If you choose to play like an outcast, then yes, that choice puts you at a disadvantage, since there is significant safety to be found in numbers and in having some kind of ôhome groundö. None of that is inherent in running missions, though, just in how you choose to run them.
Choose to do it differently, and your problems go away.
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Tippia For the same reason you can't raise chickens and grow crops in CS_Italy: because it's not that kind of game.
There actually are chickens in CS_Italy though. So it could be possible, so long as someone didn't knife them.
That's why I use it as an example: while there was a chicken in CS_Italy, it still wasn't farmville. The purpose of the game was to shoot each other in the fact, and there was absolutely nothing you could do to raise that chicken ù the game simply did not support that kind of gameplay (nor was there any need for it to do so, since other games filled that purpose just fine). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Omniwing
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Posted - 2011.08.21 17:16:00 -
[96]
Originally by: nubile slave 4/10 for so many people biting on the Troll....
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Jacob Stiller
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Posted - 2011.08.21 20:08:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 21/08/2011 12:16:47 Right from its inception EVE has had this thing where it's a pretty darn good s-f simulator - it's got great lore, a beautifully designed universe, spaceships and matTriel, great naming of things, and everything is nice and deep and takes ages to "finish".
And while the PvE is sort of meh in terms of engaging gameplay, it's an entertaining enough minigame to try and make one's PvE isk earning as efficient as possible.
IOW, despite some flaws, it's by far the best s-f space sim in town. So it attracts people who would like to just play a nice PvE multiplayer s-f simulator.
But unfortunately for them, it has this PvP carbuncle, in that it's designed as a PvP game from the ground up, with the PvE being an adjunct to that.
So, a fellow who just wants a nice space sim to relax with after work has two choices: either they can work around the PvP, find some way to tolerate it and still carve their own little bit of quiet s-f sim for themselves, or GTFO.
And here we have the reason why people who have zero interest in PvP try to pick up EvE. EvE is the only good space MMORPG out there. All of the good PVE games are of the swords and sorcery genre.
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Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:35:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
Looking over your shoulder is part of being a "carebear". Heck, station gaming wardeccers are just as much carebears as any high sec indy corp in my way of thinking. It's part of the game.. get used to it..because it's not going to change.
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Kirana Si
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:59:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Kirana Si on 21/08/2011 22:00:41 What I don`t get every time threads like this come up:
Were did you that want EVE-Online as a single player space simulation, saw any kind of CCP EVE advertisement that promotes this kind of gameplay ? You dont! So please stop trying now to change it the way it suits your piecelovin carebearism.
tnx bye
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.22 03:12:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Jacob Stiller
And here we have the reason why people who have zero interest in PvP try to pick up EvE. EvE is the only good space MMORPG out there. All of the good PVE games are of the swords and sorcery genre.
Yah, and CCP are obviously aware of that, and try to accommodate it to some degree (e.g. exploration and missioning are obviously concessions to solo PvE-ers, to some extent).
But one can't expect CCP to totally re-jig the heart and soul of the game to have areas where you can't be affected by other players' actions. It's never going to happen.
Even in my own personal worst case scenario for EVE's future - sandbox becomes legacy, game becomes mainly a P2W PvP arena - it's still going to be essentially a PvP game with PvE adjuncts. *****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.22 06:46:00 -
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You know some people just don't get Eve, I've come to the realization that their is not much that can be said to these people to get them to understand. I personally don't think its so complicated, but.... just for the record.
You can be a carebear, avoid PvP and live in low sec and Null sec. Its all about running smart ops, knowing and understanding how players think and what tactics they use. I run a corp with my alt filled with under 1 million ISK skill point characters, we have been in 1 PvP fight which we won in low since we started 10 days ago and we are making ISK hand over foot (about 40-100 million a night) running a variety of ops.
Its not hard. Play it smart, use wormholes, read and understand the map data. Use scouts, use local, use directional scanners. I understand that I have an advantage over newbies running a newbie alt because I understand the game mechanics which my corp of newbs benefits from but that illustrates a key point that knowledge of the game is far more powerful and useful than skill points. You also need to grow a pair.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.08.22 07:50:00 -
[102]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.08.22 08:01:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Plus also, we eventually come to understand that even though it's annoying sometimes, the PvP basis of the game actually makes it feel much more alive than a merely PvE game could ever do. The fact that you're constantly at risk in this game gives it a spice and flavour you couldn't get if you had guaranteed safety to just float about in your own little la la land.
I suggest the OP think of it that way - and eventually they will "get" it. And also, they'll get the bear's quiet satisfaction of avoiding being ganked. Gankbear tears of frustration are tears of the same colour and consistency as any other, and using the tools CCP have given you to avoid trouble is, in itself ... PvP.
I must say that I'm extremely gratified to see you post this after the debate we had about suicide ganking a couple of years ago.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Alissa Solette
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Posted - 2011.08.22 08:40:00 -
[104]
@OP: if you're not capable of watching local and shooting a few rats at the same time then you have no future in this game whatsoever.
Also, what the hell makes you think that you should be safe in lowsec?
I'd go back to WOW before you waste anymore money and time on a game that you are obviously terrible at.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.22 09:04:00 -
[105]
You know what? Fine. Everyone just jump on the "Make Fun of Missioners!" bandwagon already!
Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?
I'm going to make a **** ton of ISK and there is not jack **** your going to do about it. NOTHING! How do you like them apples SUPER LEET PEE VEE PEERERS!!!! So while you all fight over scraps over some poor hauler who took a wrong turn, I will be sitting back and enjoying my ISK flow.
Go on, fight for those table scraps, DO IT.
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Monstress
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Posted - 2011.08.22 09:35:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Tippia while there was a chicken in CS_Italy, it still wasn't farmville. The purpose of the game was to shoot each other
You mean I wasn't supposed to shoot the chicken!?
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Alissa Solette
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Posted - 2011.08.22 09:47:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard You know what? Fine. Everyone just jump on the "Make Fun of Missioners!" bandwagon already!
Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?
I'm going to make a **** ton of ISK and there is not jack **** your going to do about it. NOTHING! How do you like them apples SUPER LEET PEE VEE PEERERS!!!! So while you all fight over scraps over some poor hauler who took a wrong turn, I will be sitting back and enjoying my ISK flow.
Go on, fight for those table scraps, DO IT.
Now you're starting to sound more like an EVE player. Well besides all the chest beating over the mediocre income of dismally boring missions you plan to run.
Now just hope I won't come and park my neutral cloaky cyno alt in your ratting system or you'll be sitting cloaked at a safe spot while I earn ISK with my main from all those "worthless scraps" the hauler wrecks leave behind.
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Internet Knight
The Kobayashi Maru
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Posted - 2011.08.22 10:15:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard Now I don't mind other people from having fun,but when their fun interferes with my fun, then there is an issue.
Welcome to EVE, good sir.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.08.22 10:58:00 -
[109]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Agreeing with Soundwave. OP is being sneaked up on as we speak. - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.22 11:17:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Plus also, we eventually come to understand that even though it's annoying sometimes, the PvP basis of the game actually makes it feel much more alive than a merely PvE game could ever do. The fact that you're constantly at risk in this game gives it a spice and flavour you couldn't get if you had guaranteed safety to just float about in your own little la la land.
I suggest the OP think of it that way - and eventually they will "get" it. And also, they'll get the bear's quiet satisfaction of avoiding being ganked. Gankbear tears of frustration are tears of the same colour and consistency as any other, and using the tools CCP have given you to avoid trouble is, in itself ... PvP.
I must say that I'm extremely gratified to see you post this after the debate we had about suicide ganking a couple of years ago.
Christ, you must have the memory of an elephant!
I still think suicide ganking is silly and unrealistic from the point of view of the virtual world mechanic allowing it, but I do recognise that there has to be a balance struck between simulator and fun gameplay.
At the end of the day, a game like EVE cannot ever be fully a sim, simply because of the anonymity involved. In the real world, unless we make an effort to get "off the grid", and swallow the inconvenience thereof, our identity is constant and trackable and we (usually) have to answer to the consequences of our actions; in a game there is no responsibility of that kind, anonymity is the default. That sets a limit to how "realistic" NPC policing actions (for example) can be.
*****
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Asymoney
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Posted - 2011.08.22 11:21:00 -
[111]
PVP - main engine of EVE economy
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White Tree
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Posted - 2011.08.22 11:45:00 -
[112]
I RAT IN A CARRIER YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH _______________________________________
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Because Of Door
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Posted - 2011.08.22 11:53:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Wu Tarot Hey Door, you hidin from the same ppl I am?
Don't look now. They're behind you mate.
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2011.08.22 11:57:00 -
[114]
I'm upgrading this to 5/10 because he got CCP blue bars and 4 pages.
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Komen
Gallente Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.08.22 16:45:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard You know what? Fine. Everyone just jump on the "Make Fun of Missioners!" bandwagon already!
Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?
I'm going to make a **** ton of ISK and there is not jack **** your going to do about it. NOTHING! How do you like them apples SUPER LEET PEE VEE PEERERS!!!! So while you all fight over scraps over some poor hauler who took a wrong turn, I will be sitting back and enjoying my ISK flow.
Go on, fight for those table scraps, DO IT.
There, see? You've just realized that Eve is meant to be a challenge, and that if all you do is solo mission rats, you're paying $15/month, or whatever, for a subpar grind-game. Doing that while dodging the 1337ness, on the other hand, is more in the spirit of the game.
Good luck and have fun! (or else, why are you even playing the game?)
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LoneCrow Crendraven
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:04:00 -
[116]
I have to agree with the OP. I've played many many pvp games out there and I think pvp is extremely fun. But being new to this game, I have given this my third and final try. The first two tries I got extremely frustrated within a month at the fact some dork who played for a few years before me could just sit at a gate and kill me for doing nothing. This game FORCES you into a play style of grouping with people, and corporations and playing a certain way.
Some of us just want to be privateers and explore and risk the high sec but not for the element of PVP.
There is no moral compass in this game. It is a game and there is no moral penalty for killing people really that is anything significant. Possibly a digit in a computer.
That is not realistic and the penalty is not harsh enough to deter people from arbitrarily murdering people for no reason. Especially when it is probably some teen aged kid with no job living in his parents basement playing two accounts and has trained 24/7 for 3 years. How can any new players really come into this game and just play and have fun?
I mean there is no way to privateer in lowsec or in the more profitable parts of space at all. So staying limited to highsec .. whats the use?
Some of us don't want to join mega corporations or want to be forced into making friends and allies. Some of us want to go about our own business and not have to worry about being MURDERED by some 12 year old for kicks when all I carry is like some small mods. Where is the reality in that?
Ganking is for the low moral compass people. There are plenty of them here. There has to be some defense against it... We should be able to choose to pvp or not, and have a timer for like a month or something.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:16:00 -
[117]
Originally by: LoneCrow Crendraven
I mean there is no way to privateer in lowsec or in the more profitable parts of space at all. So staying limited to highsec .. whats the use?
Man, I've been a solo player for most of my (albeit intermittent) EVE career, and a lot of that time recently I've spent playing cat and mouse with pirates and such, trying to mission in low sec. It's a lot of fun - try it!
It really is possible to be a "privateer" type of character, it's totally up to you. You can rat, you can explore (which is designed with the solo player in mind), you can do missions - and you can do all these things in high sec, low sec or null sec.
You just have to be much, much more careful and get to know the ways of avoiding trouble. You can never be foolproofly safe, but you can cut down your chances of being "pointlessly" killed by quite a lot, even in low sec. It just requires more concentration, is all - and sometimes that's fun. OTOH, sure, sometimes you just want to relax more in Empire (hooray for jump clones!).
Think, plan ahead, use intel, etc., etc.
That's partly what the game is all about - getting to know the game by talking to people and asking questions (e.g. in your NPC corp, if you're a soloer). It's a social game, so be social, learn all the tips and tricks from people. Pirates, or ex-pirates and the like, are sometimes quite happy to give tips and tricks to carebears on how to avoid trouble - it spices the game up for them, too, to know the people they're hunting are acting intelligently, and not just like stupid, inert bricks. Then it's a tense game where one slip-up on either "side" can result in tears either way. |
LoneCrow Crendraven
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:21:00 -
[118]
I'm not saying I never want to PVP - in fact it adds a bunch of excitement to the game. I understand planning trips but its just the behavior of people sometimes is totally irrational.
There are times you just dont feel up to the cheap dirty tricks of people and don't feel like pvp and are not looking for a fight. We should have a choice, and there should be more drastic repercussions for attacking someone who isn't affiliated with an enemy corp.. for attacking neutral type cargo runners etc.
If I'm the dork and I fire first of course they have every right to jump me. But if I go about my business and I'm not at war with them in any way they should pay a major major penalty for killing an innocent. |
Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:26:00 -
[119]
Originally by: LoneCrow Crendraven I have to agree with the OP. I've played many many pvp games out there and I think pvp is extremely fun. But being new to this game, I have given this my third and final try. The first two tries I got extremely frustrated within a month at the fact some dork who played for a few years before me could just sit at a gate and kill me for doing nothing. This game FORCES you into a play style of grouping with people, and corporations and playing a certain way.
Some of us just want to be privateers and explore and risk the high sec but not for the element of PVP.
There is no moral compass in this game. It is a game and there is no moral penalty for killing people really that is anything significant. Possibly a digit in a computer.
That is not realistic and the penalty is not harsh enough to deter people from arbitrarily murdering people for no reason. Especially when it is probably some teen aged kid with no job living in his parents basement playing two accounts and has trained 24/7 for 3 years. How can any new players really come into this game and just play and have fun?
I mean there is no way to privateer in lowsec or in the more profitable parts of space at all. So staying limited to highsec .. whats the use?
Some of us don't want to join mega corporations or want to be forced into making friends and allies. Some of us want to go about our own business and not have to worry about being MURDERED by some 12 year old for kicks when all I carry is like some small mods. Where is the reality in that?
Ganking is for the low moral compass people. There are plenty of them here. There has to be some defense against it... We should be able to choose to pvp or not, and have a timer for like a month or something.
As has been said, you can be quite safe in this game, even solo and even as a new player. I've lived solo in both lowsec and 0.0. Heck, I spent about 6 months primarily solo missioning in lowsec without ever losing a single ship. I've ninja mined for the fun of it. These things honestly are better if you are in a good corp (it doesn't have to be a big one), but can be done solo.
But it takes forethought. Planning. Strategy. This is why I've always felt WoW players and FPS pvp'ers generally cannot make the transition to Eve. They are just inculcated into a different 'culture' if you will, and can only see games through that prism, missing the point of Eve.
Some unsolicited advice. You are not your ship. Expect to get blown up. It happens. |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:35:00 -
[120]
THIS GAME IS MADE TO SELL AND BUY MONOCLES. WHY DON'T YOU SIT ALL THE DAY IN A LOW SEC STATION AND WORK IN PEACE ON YOUR MONOCLE COLLECTION?
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:47:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?
because it's safer _
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2011.08.22 17:57:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Sofia Bellard The mission rewards are better in low and null sec. Why would I decide to make less money?
because it's safer
mind you, that's "safer", not "safe" _
BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.22 18:11:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lord Mudekai Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP?
Because they are PvP too.
That is why EVE is a PvP game (and not just "supposed to"): because everything you do in this game is done in competition with other players. If you mine until your head explodes, then someone else will go without ore, because you took it all. Blowing you up to bring that competition to a grinding halt is an entirely valid way of getting you out of the way.
Quote: If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP.
And again, it already has removed everything elseà well, nearly. There are exactly two things in this game that are not subject to PvP: clicking the "request mission" button and clicking the "complete mission" button. And those two activities are there because the biggest PvP arena of them all ù the market ù needs some ISK to grease its wheels.
You cannot play EVE without competing with other players. If you don't want them to compete back, you have to go somewhere else, because this game will not, and cannot provide the peace and quiet you are looking for.
Actually I argue that placing a command center on a planet is not a form of PvP (yet). once you start extracting resources, however, you're affecting other players (to a greater or lesser extent). --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.23 15:43:00 -
[124]
Originally by: LoneCrow Crendraven
There are times you just dont feel up to the cheap dirty tricks of people and don't feel like pvp and are not looking for a fight. We should have a choice, and there should be more drastic repercussions for attacking someone who isn't affiliated with an enemy corp.. for attacking neutral type cargo runners etc.
That's what I meant by "hurrah for jump clones". Sure, sometimes you want to have a "safer" time playing the game. There are plenty places in Empire that are pretty safe. As people have said, you're never absolutely guaranteed safety anywhere in EVE, but generally speaking you can relax in Empire most of the time.
So train up that Infomorph Psychology, get good standing with your favourite corp (that has good Agents in both hi and low sec) and get yourself a few JCs, so you can take a vacation when you get bored being on the alert all the time, and get back into the thick of it when you get bored being relatively safe all the time. Have a few well-stocked "home" stations, one in safe Empire, and one or two out on the wild fringes for your daredevil forays into Pirate space! *****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.23 15:48:00 -
[125]
lol why are this convo still going...
A.) the GM said no - figure it out kids
B.) Look at the ships killed in the past 24 hrs on the map an scroll out so you can see empire. Yes I realize theres more ppl in Empire than not but thats my point. Where there are more people in EVE its MORE dangerous even IF you have the CONCORD safety blanket -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
Justified Cause
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Posted - 2011.08.23 20:50:00 -
[126]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
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Reeper 2435
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Posted - 2011.08.23 21:06:00 -
[127]
Fear my assault hulk! I shall warp into your mission and beat the sweet bejeweled devil out of you! I scoff at your Alpha Mael!
All hail the Hulk as the most profecient, potent, sadistic weapon of ultimate mass destruction.
BOO That's right, look startled.
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Lady Zarrina
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Posted - 2011.08.23 21:37:00 -
[128]
Nothing sweeter than seeing little pathetic jack russel terrier gankers get their panties in a bunch. So much whining from these folks lately.
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Kilrath Uskarl
Caldari Advent Chaos Theory KRYSIS.
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Posted - 2011.08.24 01:01:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
Why not? Every time I hire someone or a group to protect me, it is in fact THEM that kill me! So I should be allowed to have some NPC protection. At least they won't stab me in the back.
Originally by: BrundleMeth I can't believe someone would be so stupid as to start a thread like this. What an idiot stick....
Because I don't play in the sandbox YOUR way it makes me an idiot?
Bottom line is mission runners need more protection in null and low sec.
Step 1. Join a nullsec alliance Step 2. Go do your mindless carebearing in 0.0 --if your own alliance kills you leave and join another Step 3. Monitor your alliance intel channels and watch local --it's not like mission running and mining are so mentally tasking you can't multitask Step 4. If neutral or enemy players enter the system dock or cloak Step 5. Grow up |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.24 01:18:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Sullen Skoung lol why are this convo still going...
A.) the GM said no - figure it out kids
B.) Look at the ships killed in the past 24 hrs on the map an scroll out so you can see empire. Yes I realize theres more ppl in Empire than not but thats my point. Where there are more people in EVE its MORE dangerous even IF you have the CONCORD safety blanket
Quoting myself ftw see A.) -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
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Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.08.24 03:53:00 -
[131]
Quote: Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?
After 5 pages, I just KNEW he'd work it out.
+1 Sofia \o/
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.24 04:29:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Si Omega
Quote: Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?
After 5 pages, I just KNEW he'd work it out.
+1 Sofia \o/
Enjoying the massive tears so far as PvPPPPPPPPP hopefuls rage in local saying I must be a bot because I am long safe and cloaked before they even pull up the directional scanner.
Cry more noobs!!!!
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Zela Kahn
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Posted - 2011.08.24 04:36:00 -
[133]
job related hazard.
its tax deductible.
fight on.
CAre you not about the bear, let the bears care about thee. and all will be right.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.24 05:16:00 -
[134]
see A.) lol -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
Mr Plack
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Posted - 2011.08.24 08:49:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard Enjoying the massive tears so far as PvPPPPPPPPP hopefuls rage in local saying I must be a bot because I am long safe and cloaked before they even pull up the directional scanner.
Cry more noobs!!!!
So what you're saying is that you let every shuttle that enters local disrupt your ISK making until such a time as they decide to move on?
Sounds like you're really in control of your game...
Cya in local.
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thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.24 09:49:00 -
[136]
Quote: Ccp might get rich, if they come up with a server where no pvp is possible
i thought about this for a while.
(1) in a server with no pvp- there would be no sinkhole in the markets for pvp ships or victims of pvp i.e freighters, mining barges (i would take a guestimation and say that around 90% of ships in eve are lost due to other players killing them.
(2) this in turn would make it almost pointless for traders to exist- there would be no need for traders since virtually no one would need to replace ships, item ect
(3) mining would be pointless, most of the minerals in eve are mined to meet the demands of a pvp orientated makret- therefore no pvp- no need for much minerals- kiss whatever isk you make on mining goodbye.
(4) even moon mining, wh sites and lowsec sites would be rendered pointless- as i said above ANYTHING that is used to build ships/items within eve would be more a less useless and you would see tech 3 sell for 10-20 mil (complete guess)
(5) the only thing worthwhile doing would be missions for the bounty.
Eve is built for pvp- without pvp, the market would crash as well as all ship prices and items
peacetime= depression economy for traders war= booming economy for trader (world war 2 taught us that)
what i think would be a good idea is a temporary no pvp server for new players for a week or so (of course they can leave anytime they want- and bring their assests with them onto tranquility) but limit availability of mining ships on that server so as to prevent people taking advantage of the no pvp rule.
In conclusion i would think that the existence of a no pvp server would not work- and virtually no one would use the server. If you dont like pvp then look at some guides to assist you in protecting your assets and STAY IN HIGHSEC.
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Kunming
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.08.24 09:53:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
Sorry but this is a pvp game!
Even when you run lvl4 missions in empire, you are actually pvping with everyone else in the universe. Stopping you from generating ISK will only make my ISK worth more, so yes HI-sec secure income should be removed since there is no way to counter the ISK-war these folks are waging against the rest of us.
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Aramatheia
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Posted - 2011.08.24 11:22:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Aramatheia on 24/08/2011 11:34:15 hmm i think the best pvp game i've played was halo, least you respawn with a gun and some ammo straight up! lol
Quote: war= booming economy for trader (world war 2 taught us that)
war actually creates debt, USA vs iraq is teaching us that, 8+ years and counting. |
Junky Juke
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.24 11:34:00 -
[139]
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WeirdNoise
Caldari tagueuletoi
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Posted - 2011.08.24 11:47:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Sofia Bellard High sec is dangerous too. Two people in Tempest battle ships blew up my Gila after we argued. They died from the police because they broke the law, so I fell better. I was only fit with low tech modules. I asked them why and they said they did it for the laughs out louds.
Now I don't mind other people from having fun,but when their fun interferes with my fun, then there is an issue.
5+/10 thx for the lulz |
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Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.24 12:46:00 -
[141]
Originally by: thekiller2002us
what i think would be a good idea is a temporary no pvp server for new players for a week or so
was with you right up to here. doing this would be "bad". the NPE needs to reinforce that everything is PVP, and go from there... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.24 12:53:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Tippia on 24/08/2011 12:53:59
Originally by: Aramatheia
Quote: war= booming economy for trader (world war 2 taught us that)
war actually creates debt, USA vs iraq is teaching us that, 8+ years and counting.
àfor the nation, not for the PMCs, manufacturers and logistics companies (legal or otherwise).
So yeah, war = booming economy for the cliques the capsuleers belong to. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Epic Fail Troll
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Posted - 2011.08.24 18:13:00 -
[143]
Originally by: okst666 A while back, my wife played ryzom... they have something interesting there - a button to opt out pvp. You cannot agress other players or be agressed by them. I think something like that could work in eve too.
EVE has that; it's called the undock button. If you don't want to PVP, don't undock; it's that simple.
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Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.24 18:16:00 -
[144]
Wow, can't believe so many got trolled into a 5-page "highsec isn't safe enough" whine thread.
Impressive.
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Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
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Posted - 2011.08.24 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard You know what? Fine. Everyone just jump on the "Make Fun of Missioners!" bandwagon already!
Just to shove it directly in your face I am going to mission even more. Going to make local go from top to bottom of my screen, fit a cloak and always be aligned to a safe spot. Happy?
I'm going to make a **** ton of ISK and there is not jack **** your going to do about it. NOTHING! How do you like them apples SUPER LEET PEE VEE PEERERS!!!! So while you all fight over scraps over some poor hauler who took a wrong turn, I will be sitting back and enjoying my ISK flow.
Go on, fight for those table scraps, DO IT.
Couple of things to help you here but first. I want to make you light up on a specific subject. Did you ever ever hear (type or cry in local) that a pirate, pvper or some dumbnut didn't catch you cried about it ? did he ever yelled, cries, qq'ed or say anything thats not fair...well just like you do right now ? I never did. ever.
No that wasn't an insult. That's what eve is. harsh and hard. People here don't like it when others cry. Well they do cause they will take advantage of them but...you know what I mean by now.
Also, if you tried to get friends to do missions in low sec and they killed you, change friends or corp. Seriously, they suck and those are not friends. Getting your entire corp in low sec and learn pvp will help you a lot in this. If you know how pvp works and you start thinking like them it might be easier for you in the end.
Oddly enough, it's easier to missions in nullsec than low sec but that could be my views when I was there. Thats the only thing I could tell you to help. You could also change agent in low sec since now every agent pays the same and are not in relation to their security. A quality 0 will pay the same as quality 20 now. --------------------------------------------------
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.08.24 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lord Mudekai Honestly I think if EvE is supposed to be a PvP game then why do they have all these other activities/professions you can do instead of PvP?
Because they are PvP too.
That is why EVE is a PvP game (and not just "supposed to"): because everything you do in this game is done in competition with other players. If you mine until your head explodes, then someone else will go without ore, because you took it all. Blowing you up to bring that competition to a grinding halt is an entirely valid way of getting you out of the way.
Quote: If EvE is supposed to be a PvP only game then they need to remove everything else, mining, missioning, industry etc and just leave PvP.
And again, it already has removed everything elseà well, nearly. There are exactly two things in this game that are not subject to PvP: clicking the "request mission" button and clicking the "complete mission" button. And those two activities are there because the biggest PvP arena of them all ù the market ù needs some ISK to grease its wheels.
You cannot play EVE without competing with other players. If you don't want them to compete back, you have to go somewhere else, because this game will not, and cannot provide the peace and quiet you are looking for.
Actually I argue that placing a command center on a planet is not a form of PvP (yet). once you start extracting resources, however, you're affecting other players (to a greater or lesser extent).
I cannot place an extractor where you placed a command center, you cannot put extractors down on that juicy pile I have decided to mine out, but you can put some extractors around mine and run short cycles to attempt to deplete the resources I have access to, but the whole thing is not exactly worth it...
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Doyouevenlift Khagah
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Posted - 2011.08.24 20:35:00 -
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do you guys remember de ccp video of butterfly effect? some random guy is flying in low sec, then see a poor hulk being ****d by pirates, he needs to have a choice, save him, or just shoot at him -then be ****d by the pirates-
in the reality, a miner or poor man carebear in low, is just, FRESH MEAT. There are no hero's here... only a few local pirates or just random guys who want to shoot something at.
If this were a true sandbox, you should see more people fighting these ****ers too, that leads to: more fun in low sec, more pvp, more traffic.
Maybe that carebear is making profit, but at least is moving supplies to other system who needs it too.
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.24 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Doyouevenlift Khagah do you guys remember de ccp video of butterfly effect? some random guy is flying in low sec, then see a poor hulk being ****d by pirates, he needs to have a choice, save him, or just shoot at him -then be ****d by the pirates-
in the reality, a miner or poor man carebear in low, is just, FRESH MEAT. There are no hero's here... only a few local pirates or just random guys who want to shoot something at.
If this were a true sandbox, you should see more people fighting these ****ers too, that leads to: more fun in low sec, more pvp, more traffic.
Maybe that carebear is making profit, but at least is moving supplies to other system who needs it too.
I completly disagree. I have seen a lot of heroics, intervention and have had my own ass saved by strangers on many occassions. There are far more people in low sec especially trying to avoid PvP than there are people looking for it. In null sec their are far more people ratting and other PvE type stuff than their are wars, PvP battles etc.. Its just a perception people get wrong because they don't actually go out their. In truth there really isn't as much fighting in low and null sec as people think. You will see more death in Jita on any given day than you will see in entire regions of low sec or null sec.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.24 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming since there is no way to counter the ISK-war these folks are waging against the rest of us.
Yeah there is, scan em down an get a suicide bomb fleet together and/or kill them. Its called PVP -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
zeberath
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Posted - 2011.08.25 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat I completly disagree. I have seen a lot of heroics, intervention and have had my own ass saved by strangers on many occassions. There are far more people in low sec especially trying to avoid PvP than there are people looking for it. In null sec their are far more people ratting and other PvE type stuff than their are wars, PvP battles etc.. Its just a perception people get wrong because they don't actually go out their. In truth there really isn't as much fighting in low and null sec as people think. You will see more death in Jita on any given day than you will see in entire regions of low sec or null sec.
Move your ass carebears! i want my supplies in low sec systems.
btw i want facts, more experiences to believe that. To me, low and null smells death. Last time i moved to null for fun, i was trapped in those anti-warp bubbles, there was one in every jump trayectory to the low sec gate. Luckilly i killed the bastards in their shiny ships. While firing the bubble, 4 ships popped out from the gate (80km distance) every military ship locked me and tried to open fire, only scout and probe did not.
So , my experience in null is little, but that little was full of death and evilness everywhere. Low is just either boring for no action, or deathly by piracy actions.
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Toshiroma McDiesel
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Posted - 2011.08.25 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Doyouevenlift Khagah do you guys remember de ccp video of butterfly effect? some random guy is flying in low sec, then see a poor hulk being ****d by pirates, he needs to have a choice, save him, or just shoot at him -then be ****d by the pirates-
in the reality, a miner or poor man carebear in low, is just, FRESH MEAT. There are no hero's here... only a few local pirates or just random guys who want to shoot something at.
If this were a true sandbox, you should see more people fighting these ****ers too, that leads to: more fun in low sec, more pvp, more traffic.
Maybe that carebear is making profit, but at least is moving supplies to other system who needs it too.
People using this video in this way annoy me. They don't seem to actually watch the end of it. The video gives you 3 choices....the hero, the pirate.......or you can just fly on by, never be a part of it.
That is part of the problem with new people watching that video, it pretty clearly states at the end that you don't have be involved.
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Kraazyfuu
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Posted - 2011.08.25 03:14:00 -
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In regards to the OP. This is the same mentality that ruined Ultima Online. |
Sloppy Podfarts
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Posted - 2011.08.25 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kraazyfuu In regards to the OP. This is the same mentality that ruined Ultima Online.
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Gottii
Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.08.25 03:28:00 -
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Man, how did this obvious and fairly lame troll get 6 pages of responses?
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Vicious Cell
Amarr Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.08.25 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: White Tree I RAT IN A CARRIER YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
This made me LOL.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 25/08/2011 05:05:14
Originally by: Kraazyfuu In regards to the OP. This is the same mentality that ruined Ultima Online.
For those that don't know, they split the Ultima Online servers into PvE-only Trammel and PvP Felucca facets, they killed UO virtually overnight.
Before the split, I was a PvE-only blacksmith/miner. I was well known by the player-killers (PKs) for my deadly poisoned weapons. I got Great Lord title by killing dragons in Shame L2, while PKs protected me from those that didn't know me as well. My own volunteer bodyguard brigade.
My favorite comment from a PK I didn't know and thought was gonna kill me: "Hey I know you! One of your poisoned swords killed me today! Can I buy one?"
PvE and PvP works fine together if you leave people alone.
I wonder if Markee Dragon of Shattered Crystal would accept my UO stuff in trade for EVE plexes. Markee was a BIG TIME collector/trader. I have a ton of rares and years of veteran rewards piling up (I still have 2 active accts I can't figure out how to cancel). I bet my plants are dead after all these years without water.
Corp Por!
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Thornat
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 25/08/2011 05:05:14
Originally by: Kraazyfuu In regards to the OP. This is the same mentality that ruined Ultima Online.
For those that don't know, they split the Ultima Online servers into PvE-only Trammel and PvP Felucca facets, they killed UO virtually overnight.
Before the split, I was a PvE-only blacksmith/miner. I was well known by the player-killers (PKs) for my deadly poisoned weapons. I got Great Lord title by killing dragons in Shame L2, while PKs protected me from those that didn't know me as well. My own volunteer bodyguard brigade.
My favorite comment from a PK I didn't know and thought was gonna kill me: "Hey I know you! One of your poisoned swords killed me today! Can I buy one?"
PvE and PvP works fine together if you leave people alone.
I wonder if Markee Dragon of Shattered Crystal would accept my UO stuff in trade for EVE plexes. Markee was a BIG TIME collector/trader. I have a ton of rares and years of veteran rewards piling up (I still have 2 active accts I can't figure out how to cancel). I bet my plants are dead after all these years without water.
Corp Por!
Agreed and thanks for bringing up bad memories.
Ya this was an awful move for more than one reason, but at the end of the day what CCP hopefully learns from lessons such as this and other game changing decesions (NGE anyone) is that once you make a game, you build a community up the time for design decesions is over, you are committed. You can patch and tweak, nerf and buff, but if you change the founding principles on which the game is based you are ****ed. No one has ever been successful in doing something like that and no one ever will. |
Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:09:00 -
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In all honesty, the server being split into a PvP only and PvE only server would do this game a world of good.
Ultra bitter ehard pee vee peers get to do their thing, while us more sane and not living in our moms basement get to do ours. Everyone is happy.
What is wrong with that? |
Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard In all honesty, the server being split into a PvP only and PvE only server would do this game a world of good.
Ultra bitter ehard pee vee peers get to do their thing, while us more sane and not living in our moms basement get to do ours. Everyone is happy.
What is wrong with that?
You are not listening! Silly rabbit... - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
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Kunming
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard In all honesty, the server being split into a PvP only and PvE only server would do this game a world of good.
Ultra bitter ehard pee vee peers get to do their thing, while us more sane and not living in our moms basement get to do ours. Everyone is happy.
What is wrong with that?
You need a chill pill; you sound really butthurt.
Im an engaged man, most folks in my corp are either married or already have kids and their own family. We enjoy exclusively PvP, since the PvE content in EVE is pants, and only an authistic would enjoy doing the same mundane and repetetive tasks over and over. The basement nerd is a myth I have yet to meet in EVE...
Although, I have mild sympathy for your anger, since the introduction of PLEX industrialists are not needed in corps anymore you can make a pure pvper corp and just buy PLEX for replacements (admitted most of our corp does that). You are an exposed target I get it. But dont blame the players blame CCP for introducing legal RMT years ago.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.25 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard In all honesty, the server being split into a PvP only and PvE only server would do this game a world of good.
Well, it would certainly remove all the PvE:ers, since they would no longer be able to play the game, and a week later, that hardware could go back to the normal EVE server. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.25 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sofia Bellard In all honesty, the server being split into a PvP only and PvE only server would do this game a world of good.
Well, it would certainly remove all the PvE:ers, since they would no longer be able to play the game, and a week later, that hardware could go back to the normal EVE server.
point of interest --> isn't Sisi essentially "PVE Only"? (reasoning "hey asshats, we need to test this")
anyway, Tippia's right; get rid of PVP, and there's no reason to play the game (they'd have to take everything out, except missioning) =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Ranger 1
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:01:00 -
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Few, if any, PVE players play the game simply to watch piles of ore/loot/whatever grow larger in their hanger.
If they were truly honest with themselves, what gives them satisfaction is watching those piles grow larger DESPITE the efforts of PVP players to stop them.
Every "hero" needs a "villian" to give his actions meaning. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Velicitia point of interest --> isn't Sisi essentially "PVE Only"? (reasoning "hey asshats, we need to test this")
Not really. I'd even argue the opposite: Sisi is essentially PvP-only since none of the (supposed) PvE is even remotely required. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gottii Man, how did this obvious and fairly lame troll get 6 pages of responses?
and a blue response that answers the question yet it kept on going -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too. |
Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 Few, if any, PVE players play the game simply to watch piles of ore/loot/whatever grow larger in their hanger.
If they were truly honest with themselves, what gives them satisfaction is watching those piles grow larger DESPITE the efforts of PVP players to stop them.
Every "hero" needs a "villian" to give his actions meaning.
Exactamundo. The bears of EVE are made of stern stuff. If you manage to stick through the painful early months, and make a go of it in EVE as a PvE-er, then you have to have embraced the above concept and come to view your PvE in a somewhat PvP-ish light. *****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
Velicitia
Gallente Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.08.25 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Velicitia point of interest --> isn't Sisi essentially "PVE Only"? (reasoning "hey asshats, we need to test this")
Not really. I'd even argue the opposite: Sisi is essentially PvP-only since none of the (supposed) PvE is even remotely required.
ah crap...
I meant "limited combat" -- i.e. i thought there was only one or two regions that allowed the ganking (everything else ... don't be an ass)...
then again, i could be thinking of some other game =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Komen
Gallente Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.08.25 18:13:00 -
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Troll thread on the verge of epic. Bump.
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Sofia Bellard
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Posted - 2011.08.29 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Velicitia point of interest --> isn't Sisi essentially "PVE Only"? (reasoning "hey asshats, we need to test this")
Not really. I'd even argue the opposite: Sisi is essentially PvP-only since none of the (supposed) PvE is even remotely required.
Actually expanding upon SiSi to be a battleground area is not a bad idea. Players could explore and mission on Tranquility for money. Then when in their captains quarters, plug in to this area to settle disputes. No one really dies or loses a lot, so everyone is ok.
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Crystal Liche
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Posted - 2011.08.29 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Bellard Just like the title says; I should be able to focus on the task at hand instead of watching over my shoulder to see if there is some pathetic trying to sneak up on me.
Doing missions in low sec and null demand full attention or you will find yourself in hull from the mission rats. Why should I have to enlist a second person to watch local and spam the directional scanner because someone wants to push their PvP on me?
I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to start a fight?
In some games there are PvP instances, if you join one, you agree to PvP.
In some games there are PvP zones, if you join one, you agree to PvP.
In some games there are PvP servers, if you join one, you agree to PvP.
This is a PvP game, when you joined, you agreed to PvP.
There could be PvP in stations one day, it is a game wide activity.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.08.30 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 30/08/2011 00:15:16
Originally by: MizoSoop I think that miners should be allowed to force pvpers to mine. Turnabout is fair play. Then we'd see complaints like "a care bear forced me to abandon my pvp roam and mine for hours!" omg!
lol that would be epic fun.... hulk locks pvp'er and activates carebear module.... pvp'er's ship targets roid and begins firing only his guns have been hijacked and reconfigured to mine veldspar. Pvp'er's ship jets can and begins to fill it with veldspar. hulk pilot laughs when chribba shows up in a hauler and steals the veldspar from the pvp'er
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DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.08.30 01:10:00 -
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Eve is made by a bunch of crazy a** guys, descendents of bat sh**crazy guys called Vikings, living in a bat sh** crazy place where nature itself tries to kill off its inhabitants every now and then(this and this, being the most recent examples), or guys sufficiently crazy enough to actually go there to work and live with those crazy a** guys, and you want a game made by them to leave you alone peacefully? -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Zulu It is CCPæs plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only.
...... We'll see. |
Nehmen Geld
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Posted - 2011.08.30 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: okst666 A while back, my wife played ryzom... they have something interesting there - a button to opt out pvp. You cannot agress other players or be agressed by them. I think something like that could work in eve too.
This feature already exists.
To opt out of PVP, select a station in your overview and click the DOCK button. To opt back into PVP simply click the UNDOCK button.
Problem solved. :) |
What Isdees
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Posted - 2011.08.30 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave Nope, sorry.
bwa haa haa why is this 6 pages?
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