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Telvani Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber	Posted - 2011.08.24 13:06:00 - [31] Originally by: WeirdNoise PKing are you 10? CEVE is actually very similar to eve in about 2006, on a 2010 client (which is nice nicer than what we have atm) There are several large power blocs, and the sov map actually looks similar to TQ. Supercapitals are starting to proliferate but you still see playstyles seen on TQ like 3+ years ago (solo capital gatecamps). People still leeroy around solo and jump industrials through lowsec. 30 days gametime is worth about 1bn isk, T1 items are about 30% expensive. LP store items are far more expensive, they have fewer mission bears. deadspace and officer are often similar prices or cheaper. PVP is a lot like TQ several years ago, people still fit active tanks in fleets, and RR on BS rather than the modern guardian + buffer gangs. TL;DR 2006 eve on a 2010 client with a 2004 population.
Russell Casey	Posted - 2011.08.24 13:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Alissa Solette Ever heard of the PATRIOT act? They were going to find your kiddie **** anyway.
Sgt Blade Caldari Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.24 14:26:00 - [33] I take it no one here has spent a long time in China before? Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 14:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Sgt Blade I take it no one here has spent a long time in China before? I had a Chinese girlfriend for a few years, but didn't visit China. Why? Have you and if so, what was your perception?
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:02:00 - [35] If your government has to ban the Back Street Boys in order to preserve "national cultural security," then there's something wrong with your government. China Blacklists Western Songs Quote: Hits by Lady Gaga, Beyonce and Take That are among 100 songs that have been placed on an internet blacklist by China's culture ministry. Music websites have been given until 15 September to remove the offending tracks, which officials say harm "national cultural security". The list also includes the Backstreet Boys track I Want It That Way, which was released more than a decade ago. ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Eason Carn	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:06:00 - [36] Originally by: stoicfaux If your government has to ban the Back Street Boys in order to preserve "national cultural security," then there's something wrong with your government. China Blacklists Western Songs Quote: Hits by Lady Gaga, Beyonce and Take That are among 100 songs that have been placed on an internet blacklist by China's culture ministry. Music websites have been given until 15 September to remove the offending tracks, which officials say harm "national cultural security". The list also includes the Backstreet Boys track I Want It That Way, which was released more than a decade ago. I now want to relocate to China based entirely on the info you provided.
Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:30:00 - [37] Okay kids, China has a Confucian set of values that value Harmony more than Truth. That might sound weird/awful to some of you but remember, European culture is only recently out of it'd dark ages and is chaotic in comparison. The translation of Coca-Cola had to be reworked because it came out as something like 'new flavor, out with the old' which doesn't go down well with Confucian filial piety. They are also a shame culture, rather than a guilt culture like yours. Try to get your head around these important concepts before you start burping about who is free or totalitarian. I hear US Republicans vilifying people as flawed who disagree with them, a hallmark of totalitarian thought. A nation of over a billion has to be orderly, or the weight of so many atomised individuals would tear the place to shreds in weeks. None of you can trace your family trees back very far, not compared to the Chinese man i met in Singapore who could recite from memory his lineage going back 2000 years.
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:42:00 - [38] China controls everything its citizens see/read on the web. China is not a free country. Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
Command 00	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Kunming and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. hehehe wTF get you this from? im living now in a cyber prison then TRolololololol
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:02:00 - [40] At some point CCP hardware wouldn't be able able to handle the total pilot count fo including the entire world, much less system pilot count overloads that happen now. So, besides the cultural difference (in-game and out-game), there are hardware challenges as well.

Command 00	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:02:00 - [41] also its People's republic of China....where the "people" cant vote...
Enormously Huge Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:09:00 - [42] Originally by: WeirdNoise - CEO of Alliance n¦1 is also CEO of an ISKselling company (a real one, out of game). - players are forced to slave for one of the two alliances - those who try to play independently are "harvested" every day. It's the word he used, he said they call it "the harvest". These Alliance PKs do nothing but PKing, their ships and equipment being provided by their alliance. In short, the Chinese are hyper collectivistic imperialistic slaveminded nutjobs and you do NOT want them over here. Sounds exactly like the Russians we have now. And I do mean, word for word the exact same
Takamori Maruyama Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.08.24 18:15:00 - [43] That would be interesting , a great war could emerge from this.
gfldex	Posted - 2011.08.24 18:27:00 - [44] Mainland chinese law does not permit you to play more then 4h (IIRC) per day. That would put them into a rather bad spot in EVE. There are a few other regulation, like you have to run the servers in china and have a local company make (most) of the profit. The chinese government is indeed quite odd but most of their laws make quite a lot of sense. They actually refuse to make the same mistakes then other developing countries (like the US) did. -- IF YOU PLAY WITH SONY YOU PLAY WITH ******!
Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly	Posted - 2011.08.24 18:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Mors Magne Why does China have a seperate server? Because they can afford to. Everybody else has to share.
Morganta	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:01:00 - [46] like most people already said, Government rules they even have a wwiionline server. they like to keep the workers content by providing video games, black tea and electronic cigarettes.
Zarda Sulan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:24:00 - [47] They need their own server as they testing out a stolen stealth bomber and don't want the pirates of tranquillity getting their hands on it!
Emiko P'eng Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:38:00 - [48] The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. China, as far as the Chinese government is concerned, has a huge online game addiction problem. They have very strict limits on 'play length' and require the use of the 'National ID card' to register for games to stop players swapping to an alt when 'play time' on their main has run out. Companies who want to officially operate a game in China must apply the Chinese online gaming laws to their servers. Plus with the quixotic & labyrinthine nature of Chinese law it is easier if a dedicated Chinese team in China work on keeping officials happy than trying to work through translators in a foreign country. Finally add the language barrier as most Chinese don't speak a Foreign language. The result it is easier to keep a server limited to Chinese players in China than attempt to apply the laws to an international server and run the risk of upsetting the rest of their player base. BBC News - 04 May 2011: China tightens internet censorship controls BBC News - 08 Apr 2011: Virtual sales provide aid to poorer nations BBC News - 22 Feb 2011: Chinese online gamer dies after three-day session BBC News - 19 Aug 2009: China web addict 'beaten' at camp BBC News - 11 Apr 2007: China seeks to 'limit game hours' BBC News - 25 Aug 2005: China imposes online gaming curbs BBC News - 01 Jun 2004: China censors online video games PC World - 02 Aug 2010: Chinese Online Game Law Requires Real-name Registration The above are just a flavour of what is happening in China. Access to external online games is not 'forbidden' but more 'actively discouraged' by not being allowing to link, advertise or promote external games in China. So most Chinese who play on 'foreign' servers are either in the 'employ' of a 'gold farming' Company or one of the 'nouveau riche' who can speak a foreign language and know someone who has travelled abroad and can provide them with a direct link to a foreign game site.
Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:57:00 - [49] Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? I think you rely too much on the BBC as a source though. They are as equally bias as any news you'd get in China. While the BBC are quite diligent when telling you about all the awful things that happen in places like China, they neglect to point out that all of those things happen in the UK as well. There are moves afoot to require all online services - even personal blogs - to have verified ID at the application layer (it already exists at the network layer), Internet bans for those who P2P or "illegally" download, mandatory data-retention and across-the-board surveillance, censorship in the UK has been alive and well for a long time and has already been introduced to the Internet through a change to the terms of the licensing for ISPs (the change being made after Parliament had specifically voted down "national firewall" legislation), two British guys just got sent to prison for four years after chatting online words to the effect of "let's meet up and see if it kicks off" prior to an expected street disturbance, and a student was recently freed on appeal after having been in prison for over two years after he downloaded a public document from the US Dept of Justice website deemed by UK authorities to be "illegal". Chinese have probably got a faster server than the Brits and pay less for it. Other than that, life in both countries is pretty much the same.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:59:00 - [50] Why ask why? Just be thankful.

Russell Casey	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:04:00 - [51] I don't understand, why would a communist country be so afraid of its citizens liking a game that teaches you capitalism=FUN ?
Listar Jombardo	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:14:00 - [52] In addition do you realy want to be invaded by several thousend new players? The threads about lag aren't counteble ... hard to imagin the server-hardware which would be needed to run it smoth. But it would be interesting to see, what the Chines Boter do with the Rusian Boter
Emiko P'eng Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? Basically I was in a hurry, it was easier to quote the BBC than garner the examples I wanted from the myriad of other sources. Plus as the BBC is always being slated by both the those in power & the opposition in the UK for being biased against them, I find them a bit better than say 'Fox' in the US. Anyway here is a random selection on BBC & UK Internet! BBC News - 23 May 2011: Courts 'could target' Twitter UK BBC News - 30 Sep 2010: EU Commission takes UK to court over web privacy BBC News - 10 Nov 2010: Outdated libel laws 'need reform' BBC News - 29 Jan 2010: Law firm's piracy hunt condemned As for the UK in general. One ranting from the government was to suggest turning off Twitter & Facebook when a riot was threatened As for the prison sentences. UK Law has always operated the 'Deterrent' & 'Contraction' principle. First introduce law, second pick on a few semi-harmless violators and make BIG headlines by throwing the book at them. Result 95% of population go 'Oh! I don't want that to happen to me I will abide by the law' as well as keeping the tabloid newspaper readers happy with a bit of 'Bread & Circus'. Later a law 'review' will quietly reverse the earlier 'harsh' interpretations, while Joe average goes on not breaking the law as its habit now! It is quick, it is simple, it is cheap & it is a crowd pleaser and has worked for hundreds of years!
Corvus Dove Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Emiko P'eng Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? Basically I was in a hurry, it was easier to quote the BBC than garner the examples I wanted from the myriad of other sources. Plus as the BBC is always being slated by both the those in power & the opposition in the UK for being biased against them, I find them a bit better than say 'Fox' in the US. Anyway here is a random selection on BBC & UK Internet! BBC News - 23 May 2011: Courts 'could target' Twitter UK BBC News - 30 Sep 2010: EU Commission takes UK to court over web privacy BBC News - 10 Nov 2010: Outdated libel laws 'need reform' BBC News - 29 Jan 2010: Law firm's piracy hunt condemned As for the UK in general. One ranting from the government was to suggest turning off Twitter & Facebook when a riot was threatened As for the prison sentences. UK Law has always operated the 'Deterrent' & 'Contraction' principle. First introduce law, second pick on a few semi-harmless violators and make BIG headlines by throwing the book at them. Result 95% of population go 'Oh! I don't want that to happen to me I will abide by the law' as well as keeping the tabloid newspaper readers happy with a bit of 'Bread & Circus'. Later a law 'review' will quietly reverse the earlier 'harsh' interpretations, while Joe average goes on not breaking the law as its habit now! It is quick, it is simple, it is cheap & it is a crowd pleaser and has worked for hundreds of years! Until some stinkin colonials do the math and split, creating a similar (though more confused and haphazard) system to do the exact same thing. This message was authored and endorsed by a stinkin colonial. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Warzon3 Perkone	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Telvani Originally by: WeirdNoise PKing are you 10? CEVE is actually very similar to eve in about 2006, on a 2010 client (which is nice nicer than what we have atm) There are several large power blocs, and the sov map actually looks similar to TQ. Supercapitals are starting to proliferate but you still see playstyles seen on TQ like 3+ years ago (solo capital gatecamps). People still leeroy around solo and jump industrials through lowsec. 30 days gametime is worth about 1bn isk, T1 items are about 30% expensive. LP store items are far more expensive, they have fewer mission bears. deadspace and officer are often similar prices or cheaper. PVP is a lot like TQ several years ago, people still fit active tanks in fleets, and RR on BS rather than the modern guardian + buffer gangs. TL;DR 2006 eve on a 2010 client with a 2004 population. so far this is the only information about the chinese server that is correct. I have played on the chinese server for about 1 month (got bored with eve as a whole so stopped) we were with about 200 western players on the chinese server and were able to inflict massive damage with only frigs (fully CN fit CNRs concording themselves to save there buddy ) now why can't the chinese play on our server? Main reason is that a MMO can only be run by a company that belongs to the government. To play an MMO you need a chinese citizen ID and if you are underaged you can only play a few hours a day (don't ask me where we got our citizen ID's ) And simply merging the servers would not work for a few reasons: 1. Sov? who would keep there systems? 2. markets: CEVE got no markets exept for jita. (T1 is cheaper in 0.0 then jita as they have localized production) 3. contracts: The whole market for deadspace is strange on CEVE some items are dirt cheap while others you can hardly even find. Heck I own a gold AND silver magnate on the chinese server bought them for 200 mil each on contracts. ---- Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Downtime is now extended to 19:00 for patch file verification. This is a very important step that must be done to make sure clients are being corrupted.
Zenith Intaki Gallente Zenith Intaki Tech	Posted - 2011.08.24 21:22:00 - [56] Edited by: Zenith Intaki on 24/08/2011 21:22:38 Originally by: Kunming Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Why does China have a seperate server? Is it because Tranquility would be invaded by hoards of macro miners? Or is it because the language difference would cause wars rather than because of more interesting politics? If it's because the universe is too small, surely the best answer would be to make it bigger? Its because the Chinesse government has a strict control on internet access and they dont want chinese to log on to EU servers and "mindwashed" with anti-communistic ideas. Cuba, Iran, China, and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. So Mors praise, that you live in the free part of the world. Actually, Sweden is scanning all internet traffic that is going pass their country.
andeira	Posted - 2011.08.24 21:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Zenith Intaki Edited by: Zenith Intaki on 24/08/2011 21:22:38 Originally by: Kunming Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Why does China have a seperate server? Is it because Tranquility would be invaded by hoards of macro miners? Or is it because the language difference would cause wars rather than because of more interesting politics? If it's because the universe is too small, surely the best answer would be to make it bigger? Its because the Chinesse government has a strict control on internet access and they dont want chinese to log on to EU servers and "mindwashed" with anti-communistic ideas. Cuba, Iran, China, and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. So Mors praise, that you live in the free part of the world. Actually, Sweden is scanning all internet traffic that is going pass their country. scanning is something else then controlling the USA also scan all there data traffic (note data so also phones not just internet) ------------- Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 22:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? I think you rely too much on the BBC as a source though. They are as equally bias as any news you'd get in China. While the BBC are quite diligent when telling you about all the awful things that happen in places like China, they neglect to point out that all of those things happen in the UK as well. There are moves afoot to require all online services - even personal blogs - to have verified ID at the application layer (it already exists at the network layer), Internet bans for those who P2P or "illegally" download, mandatory data-retention and across-the-board surveillance, censorship in the UK has been alive and well for a long time and has already been introduced to the Internet through a change to the terms of the licensing for ISPs (the change being made after Parliament had specifically voted down "national firewall" legislation), two British guys just got sent to prison for four years after chatting online words to the effect of "let's meet up and see if it kicks off" prior to an expected street disturbance, and a student was recently freed on appeal after having been in prison for over two years after he downloaded a public document from the US Dept of Justice website deemed by UK authorities to be "illegal". Chinese have probably got a faster server than the Brits and pay less for it. Other than that, life in both countries is pretty much the same. As a Brit myself, I totally agree with this assessment of the BBC - the BBC say they are neutral, but are actually rather left-wing. Also, they lean towards the environmental lobby, so they completely believe in global warming (even when it's bloody freezing and raining, like it normally is in the UK in summer).
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.24 22:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Tom Gerard Edited by: Tom Gerard on 24/08/2011 12:20:04 The Easy Answer: FACT: China has a government that doesn't give a rats *** about its people. FACT: China has difficulty educating everyone, because they wont build schools in rural areas. FACT: China's main goals are based in their distorted view of reality. FACT: The Internet has the potential to cause problems ... for the Chinese regime. FACT: China does not wish to be distracted from repressing their people. FACT: The "Firewall" compromise is a balance of individual rights and ensuring that chinese people aren't exposed to "poisonous" western ideas like democracy and human rights. OPINION: China as a communist state has some pretty flawed thinking and would have much fewer problems as a democracy, that being said they have been doing a pretty good job. Their people are well fed (unless you live in rural china then you have nothing), well housed (but nobody can afford to live in any of said housing), and desperate for an improved education system. China is actively working on improving education (but only if you live in a city, if your an ethnic minority or live in the country the govt pretends that you dont exist), but feels the internet knowledge could do more harm than good if not placed in-context (without extensive thought control the chinese regime would collapse). SARCASM: Who ever heard about getting "Bad information" off the internet? Fixt that for you (and yes I know you were being sarcastic). The other reason why MMOs have to have seperate chinese servers is because the chinese govt does not want the chinese people to have any contact with the outside world. If the chinese were allowed to freely associate with the rest of the world over the internet then chinese propaganda would not work, the chinese govt goes to great lengths to demonize the west in order to control its population.
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.24 23:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Mors Magne As a Brit myself, I totally agree with this assessment of the BBC. The BBC say they are neutral, but are reasonably left-wing. Also, they lean towards the environmental lobby - there is a rumor that BBC employees can't believe in alternatives to global warming (re-named 'climate change'), and don't report alternative evidence or opinions. I would definitely say the UK is only a few steps away from being china in terms of censorship and survaillance of its population, though they do it for mostly the same reasons, its easier to repress a population than to fix the domestic issues that cause people to protest the govt.



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