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Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:11:00 - [1] Edited by: Mors Magne on 24/08/2011 11:33:30 I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Serenity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Why does China have a seperate server? Is it because Tranquility would be invaded by hoards of macro miners? Or is it because the language difference would cause wars rather than because of more interesting politics? If it's because the universe is too small, surely the best answer would be to make it bigger?
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:13:00 - [2] Its because of the Chinese Law and a govt "firewall".
Kunming Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Why does China have a seperate server? Is it because Tranquility would be invaded by hoards of macro miners? Or is it because the language difference would cause wars rather than because of more interesting politics? If it's because the universe is too small, surely the best answer would be to make it bigger? Its because the Chinesse government has a strict control on internet access and they dont want chinese to log on to EU servers and "mindwashed" with anti-communistic ideas. Cuba, Iran, China, and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. So Mors praise, that you live in the free part of the world.
Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:21:00 - [4] Edited by: Alissa Solette on 24/08/2011 10:30:08 Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Why does China have a seperate server? Is it because Tranquility would be invaded by hoards of macro miners? Or is it because the language difference would cause wars rather than because of more interesting politics? If it's because the universe is too small, surely the best answer would be to make it bigger? None of the above. It's because the Chinese government are afraid that they won't be able to monitor their citizens properly if there are countless MMOs (that usually use decently encrypted connections) that can be used as a back-door to get past the internet filtering and censorship. Edit: Quote: Cuba, Iran, China, and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. Ever heard of the PATRIOT act?
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:24:00 - [5] I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend?
Sir Hillary	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:25:00 - [6] It's all to do with China's very strict net censorship laws and "The Great Firewall of China". They do the same thing for most online games. World of Warcraft, for example, has separate Chinese servers where besides the extra chat monitoring services etc that the government there requires, they also have different models for all Undead characters and NPCs (they look like slightly odd coloured humans), as displaying bones and rotten flesh "offends decency".
Kunming Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Mors Magne I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend? Are you a troll or what? Naive and ignorant ppl like you really **** me off! this wasnt so hard or?
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Mors Magne I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend? Google is your friend.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:41:00 - [9] Not an urban legend. Totalitarian regimes are obsessed with controlling their citizens lives. China has very strict laws regarding internet. Chines intelligence services tried to hack gmail accounts of those who were suspected in anti-government activity (publishing a blog can also be considered an anti-government activity btw). There are also some laws that we consider bizarre, but apparently there is a reason for those - like you can't play an MMO more than 4h a day. Taking into account that there were cases when ppl in the Far East virtually played themselves to death, or killed over virtual property, those laws make sense.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Mors Magne I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend? China is even more paranoid than Gadaffi and other dictators around the world, so no, im not suprised at all why they bother to block content from Europe. For example, when the chinese dissident got the nobel peace prize last year they firewalled everything that could be firewalled.
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 24/08/2011 10:44:46 Because the Chinese government uses EVE to test their most advanced weapons such as prototype cloaking device (I) and civilian auto-cannons, most of the players in the Singularity server are soldiers from PLA (People's Library Army). Seriously, they have several spaceship launch pad under the West China sea! check the Google map and you will see them and they regularly test their smart bombs and try use them to cause earthquake in Japan.
Lambert Eskel Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:46:00 - [12] Surprisingly you CAN access Tranquility while in China, I was there for a duration in June/July and had no problem playing on Tranquility. And there are a few Chinese based players on Tranquility if you visit the Chinese chat channel, to some of them it's the step up from their out of date home server. Ofcourse I don't doubt China's internet censorship laws have bearings on why we have two servers, but if my experience is still the case, you can choose which server to play on. Also, another reason is perhaps CCP thinks it would be better business in the Asian market if the experience was more lag free. Tranquility was playable in China but with noticeably more lag than say in the U.S. where I normally play.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 10:48:00 - [13] Edited by: Mors Magne on 24/08/2011 10:54:12 deleted
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Lambert Eskel Surprisingly you CAN access Tranquility while in China, I was there for a duration in June/July and had no problem playing on Tranquility. And there are a few Chinese based players on Tranquility if you visit the Chinese chat channel, to some of them it's the step up from their out of date home server. Ofcourse I don't doubt China's internet censorship laws have bearings on why we have two servers, but if my experience is still the case, you can choose which server to play on. Also, another reason is perhaps CCP thinks it would be better business in the Asian market if the experience was more lag free. Tranquility was playable in China but with noticeably more lag than say in the U.S. where I normally play. This seems a well researched and practical explanation. If I was Chinese and I had the option, I'd probably try the Chinese server first because I'd want to be able to communicate with other players. However, I think having one big universe is better because it's a core value of Eve, and it also sends an underlying message of unity, even though war games are the subject.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:12:00 - [15] I also played on Tranquility from China recently. No problem at all. And getting acces to Internet **** is no problem either...
malaire	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Singularity is test server, not china server.
Carola Kessler	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:16:00 - [17] Originally by: malaire Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Singularity is test server, not china server. Correct, Serenity is the China server to complete his post, please first before posting, OP make a better research about what is what
WeirdNoise Caldari tagueuletoi	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:16:00 - [18] Edited by: WeirdNoise on 24/08/2011 11:19:02 Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Originally by: Mors Magne I think having one big universe is better because it's a core value of Eve, and it also sends an underlying message of unity, even though war games are the subject. wtfamireading.jpg 1/ You have NO idea what it's like on the chinese server. 2/ Your idealism is leading you to saying stupid things where reality is concerned. There are chinese players on Tranquility indeed, ask them how life is on the Chinese server side. News we got from one of them years ago : - 2 mega-alliances own everything - CEO of Alliance n¦1 is also CEO of an ISKselling company (a real one, out of game). - players are forced to slave for one of the two alliances - those who try to play independently are "harvested" every day. It's the word he used, he said they call it "the harvest". Every morning, Alliance PKs roam the galaxy in search of non-affiliated players and make short work of them. These Alliance PKs do nothing but PKing, their ships and equipment being provided by their alliance. In short, the Chinese are hyper collectivistic imperialistic slaveminded nutjobs and you do NOT want them over here. Except in that it would surely make for an interesting cultural clash, it might likely ruin 99% of western players' gameplay. Next time, think a little before daydreaming about "the more the merrier" and "unity". You rainbow pony.
Caldari Citizen20110707 The Official Hyperdallas Fanclub	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:17:00 - [19] its to counter RTM, in europ we need to work 1,5 hours rl for 1 billion isk, in russia u need to work 10 hours for 1 billion in china u need to work 50 hours for 1 billion. Would u RTM if u can simply make 8 billion a day afk with a bot that compares to 800 hours of rl work?
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Caldari Citizen20110707 its to counter RTM, in europ we need to work 1,5 hours rl for 1 billion isk, in russia u need to work 10 hours for 1 billion in china u need to work 50 hours for 1 billion. Would u RTM if u can simply make 8 billion a day afk with a bot that compares to 800 hours of rl work? Will you reject a $30/hour job if I introduce a $8/hour job to you?
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:39:00 - [21] Originally by: WeirdNoise Edited by: WeirdNoise on 24/08/2011 11:19:02 1/ You have NO idea what it's like on the chinese server. 2/ Your idealism is leading you to saying stupid things where reality is concerned. There are chinese players on Tranquility indeed, ask them how life is on the Chinese server side. News we got from one of them years ago : - 2 mega-alliances own everything - CEO of Alliance n¦1 is also CEO of an ISKselling company (a real one, out of game). - players are forced to slave for one of the two alliances - those who try to play independently are "harvested" every day. It's the word he used, he said they call it "the harvest". Every morning, Alliance PKs roam the galaxy in search of non-affiliated players and make short work of them. These Alliance PKs do nothing but PKing, their ships and equipment being provided by their alliance. In short, the Chinese are hyper collectivistic imperialistic slaveminded nutjobs and you do NOT want them over here. Except in that it would surely make for an interesting cultural clash, it might likely ruin 99% of western players' gameplay. Next time, think a little before daydreaming about "the more the merrier" and "unity". You rainbow pony. Strange - it's Japanese culture to be with a large group rather than be an individual. I wonder if there are large numbers of Japanese on the Chinese server? Personally, I think it would be cool to be on the Chinese server. I would want to be an individual and play cat-and-mouse with the harvesters.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 11:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Caldari Citizen20110707 its to counter RTM, in europ we need to work 1,5 hours rl for 1 billion isk, in russia u need to work 10 hours for 1 billion in china u need to work 50 hours for 1 billion. Would u RTM if u can simply make 8 billion a day afk with a bot that compares to 800 hours of rl work? I think macro miners are a nuisance, but not a game-distroying one. Overall, I think the advantages of having everone on the same server outweigh the disadvantages.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:03:00 - [23] Legal reasons. Only a chinese company is allowed to run a MMO there.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Legal reasons. Only a chinese company is allowed to run a MMO there. I hate red tape, and this is quite literally red tape.
Tom Gerard Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:18:00 - [25] Edited by: Tom Gerard on 24/08/2011 12:20:04 The Easy Answer: FACT: China has a government that cares for its people. FACT: China has difficulty educating everyone. FACT: China's main goals are based in reality. FACT: The Internet has the potential to cause problems. FACT: China does not wish to be distracted from caring for their people. FACT: The "Firewall" compromise is a balance of individual rights and overall good. OPINION: China as a communist state has some pretty flawed thinking and would have much fewer problems as a democracy, that being said they have been doing a pretty good job. Their people are well fed, well housed, and desperate for an improved education system. China is actively working on improving education, but feels the internet knowledge could do more harm than good if not placed in-context. SARCASM: Who ever heard about getting "Bad information" off the internet?
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Mors Magne on 24/08/2011 12:29:15 Originally by: Tom Gerard Edited by: Tom Gerard on 24/08/2011 12:20:04 The Easy Answer: FACT: China has a government that cares for its people. FACT: China has difficulty educating everyone. FACT: China's main goals are based in reality. FACT: The Internet has the potential to cause problems. FACT: China does not wish to be distracted from caring for their people. FACT: The "Firewall" compromise is a balance of individual rights and overall good. OPINION: China as a communist state has some pretty flawed thinking and would have much fewer problems as a democracy, that being said they have been doing a pretty good job. Their people are well fed, well housed, and desperate for an improved education system. China is actively working on improving education, but feels the internet knowledge could do more harm than good if not placed in-context. SARCASM: Who ever heard about getting "Bad information" off the internet? Very interesting answer. I thought it was only selected bits of the internet that were banned - such as p0rn. I didn't realise MMOs were banned in China as well (unless owned by a Chinese company). I can't imagine Eve being used to mount an 'Arab Spring' in China.
Culmen Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Originally by: Mors Magne I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend? Google is your friend. Or in the case of China, your Big Brother.
Cebraio	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:33:00 - [28] Edited by: Cebraio on 24/08/2011 12:33:21 Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Originally by: Mors Magne I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend? Google is your friend. Not if you live in China. (Sorry, I had to) Edit: Damn, Culmen beat me to it.
Facist Monk Caldari East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2011.08.24 12:41:00 - [29] keeps most of the bots on 1 server.... Join KTS www.eastkhanid.co.uk and be who you want to be!
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 13:00:00 - [30] Edited by: Mors Magne on 24/08/2011 13:03:34 Originally by: Facist Monk keeps most of the bots on 1 server.... Probably, but the measure is too extreme. You could argue that we are 'saving the Chinese from themselves' by having two servers: Perhaps the Chinese Government want their people to not become ISK farmers, and do something more worthwhile? Seems a bit tenuous though.
Telvani Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber	Posted - 2011.08.24 13:06:00 - [31] Originally by: WeirdNoise PKing are you 10? CEVE is actually very similar to eve in about 2006, on a 2010 client (which is nice nicer than what we have atm) There are several large power blocs, and the sov map actually looks similar to TQ. Supercapitals are starting to proliferate but you still see playstyles seen on TQ like 3+ years ago (solo capital gatecamps). People still leeroy around solo and jump industrials through lowsec. 30 days gametime is worth about 1bn isk, T1 items are about 30% expensive. LP store items are far more expensive, they have fewer mission bears. deadspace and officer are often similar prices or cheaper. PVP is a lot like TQ several years ago, people still fit active tanks in fleets, and RR on BS rather than the modern guardian + buffer gangs. TL;DR 2006 eve on a 2010 client with a 2004 population.
Russell Casey	Posted - 2011.08.24 13:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Alissa Solette Ever heard of the PATRIOT act? They were going to find your kiddie **** anyway.
Sgt Blade Caldari Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.24 14:26:00 - [33] I take it no one here has spent a long time in China before? Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 14:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Sgt Blade I take it no one here has spent a long time in China before? I had a Chinese girlfriend for a few years, but didn't visit China. Why? Have you and if so, what was your perception?
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:02:00 - [35] If your government has to ban the Back Street Boys in order to preserve "national cultural security," then there's something wrong with your government. China Blacklists Western Songs Quote: Hits by Lady Gaga, Beyonce and Take That are among 100 songs that have been placed on an internet blacklist by China's culture ministry. Music websites have been given until 15 September to remove the offending tracks, which officials say harm "national cultural security". The list also includes the Backstreet Boys track I Want It That Way, which was released more than a decade ago. ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Eason Carn	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:06:00 - [36] Originally by: stoicfaux If your government has to ban the Back Street Boys in order to preserve "national cultural security," then there's something wrong with your government. China Blacklists Western Songs Quote: Hits by Lady Gaga, Beyonce and Take That are among 100 songs that have been placed on an internet blacklist by China's culture ministry. Music websites have been given until 15 September to remove the offending tracks, which officials say harm "national cultural security". The list also includes the Backstreet Boys track I Want It That Way, which was released more than a decade ago. I now want to relocate to China based entirely on the info you provided.
Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:30:00 - [37] Okay kids, China has a Confucian set of values that value Harmony more than Truth. That might sound weird/awful to some of you but remember, European culture is only recently out of it'd dark ages and is chaotic in comparison. The translation of Coca-Cola had to be reworked because it came out as something like 'new flavor, out with the old' which doesn't go down well with Confucian filial piety. They are also a shame culture, rather than a guilt culture like yours. Try to get your head around these important concepts before you start burping about who is free or totalitarian. I hear US Republicans vilifying people as flawed who disagree with them, a hallmark of totalitarian thought. A nation of over a billion has to be orderly, or the weight of so many atomised individuals would tear the place to shreds in weeks. None of you can trace your family trees back very far, not compared to the Chinese man i met in Singapore who could recite from memory his lineage going back 2000 years.
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.08.24 16:42:00 - [38] China controls everything its citizens see/read on the web. China is not a free country. Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
Command 00	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Kunming and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. hehehe wTF get you this from? im living now in a cyber prison then TRolololololol
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:02:00 - [40] At some point CCP hardware wouldn't be able able to handle the total pilot count fo including the entire world, much less system pilot count overloads that happen now. So, besides the cultural difference (in-game and out-game), there are hardware challenges as well.
Command 00	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:02:00 - [41] also its People's republic of China....where the "people" cant vote...
Enormously Huge Gallente	Posted - 2011.08.24 17:09:00 - [42] Originally by: WeirdNoise - CEO of Alliance n¦1 is also CEO of an ISKselling company (a real one, out of game). - players are forced to slave for one of the two alliances - those who try to play independently are "harvested" every day. It's the word he used, he said they call it "the harvest". These Alliance PKs do nothing but PKing, their ships and equipment being provided by their alliance. In short, the Chinese are hyper collectivistic imperialistic slaveminded nutjobs and you do NOT want them over here. Sounds exactly like the Russians we have now. And I do mean, word for word the exact same
Takamori Maruyama Amarr Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.08.24 18:15:00 - [43] That would be interesting , a great war could emerge from this.
gfldex	Posted - 2011.08.24 18:27:00 - [44] Mainland chinese law does not permit you to play more then 4h (IIRC) per day. That would put them into a rather bad spot in EVE. There are a few other regulation, like you have to run the servers in china and have a local company make (most) of the profit. The chinese government is indeed quite odd but most of their laws make quite a lot of sense. They actually refuse to make the same mistakes then other developing countries (like the US) did. -- IF YOU PLAY WITH SONY YOU PLAY WITH ******!
Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly	Posted - 2011.08.24 18:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Mors Magne Why does China have a seperate server? Because they can afford to. Everybody else has to share.
Morganta	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:01:00 - [46] like most people already said, Government rules they even have a wwiionline server. they like to keep the workers content by providing video games, black tea and electronic cigarettes.
Zarda Sulan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:24:00 - [47] They need their own server as they testing out a stolen stealth bomber and don't want the pirates of tranquillity getting their hands on it!
Emiko P'eng Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:38:00 - [48] The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. China, as far as the Chinese government is concerned, has a huge online game addiction problem. They have very strict limits on 'play length' and require the use of the 'National ID card' to register for games to stop players swapping to an alt when 'play time' on their main has run out. Companies who want to officially operate a game in China must apply the Chinese online gaming laws to their servers. Plus with the quixotic & labyrinthine nature of Chinese law it is easier if a dedicated Chinese team in China work on keeping officials happy than trying to work through translators in a foreign country. Finally add the language barrier as most Chinese don't speak a Foreign language. The result it is easier to keep a server limited to Chinese players in China than attempt to apply the laws to an international server and run the risk of upsetting the rest of their player base. BBC News - 04 May 2011: China tightens internet censorship controls BBC News - 08 Apr 2011: Virtual sales provide aid to poorer nations BBC News - 22 Feb 2011: Chinese online gamer dies after three-day session BBC News - 19 Aug 2009: China web addict 'beaten' at camp BBC News - 11 Apr 2007: China seeks to 'limit game hours' BBC News - 25 Aug 2005: China imposes online gaming curbs BBC News - 01 Jun 2004: China censors online video games PC World - 02 Aug 2010: Chinese Online Game Law Requires Real-name Registration The above are just a flavour of what is happening in China. Access to external online games is not 'forbidden' but more 'actively discouraged' by not being allowing to link, advertise or promote external games in China. So most Chinese who play on 'foreign' servers are either in the 'employ' of a 'gold farming' Company or one of the 'nouveau riche' who can speak a foreign language and know someone who has travelled abroad and can provide them with a direct link to a foreign game site.
Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:57:00 - [49] Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? I think you rely too much on the BBC as a source though. They are as equally bias as any news you'd get in China. While the BBC are quite diligent when telling you about all the awful things that happen in places like China, they neglect to point out that all of those things happen in the UK as well. There are moves afoot to require all online services - even personal blogs - to have verified ID at the application layer (it already exists at the network layer), Internet bans for those who P2P or "illegally" download, mandatory data-retention and across-the-board surveillance, censorship in the UK has been alive and well for a long time and has already been introduced to the Internet through a change to the terms of the licensing for ISPs (the change being made after Parliament had specifically voted down "national firewall" legislation), two British guys just got sent to prison for four years after chatting online words to the effect of "let's meet up and see if it kicks off" prior to an expected street disturbance, and a student was recently freed on appeal after having been in prison for over two years after he downloaded a public document from the US Dept of Justice website deemed by UK authorities to be "illegal". Chinese have probably got a faster server than the Brits and pay less for it. Other than that, life in both countries is pretty much the same.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.08.24 19:59:00 - [50] Why ask why? Just be thankful.
Russell Casey	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:04:00 - [51] I don't understand, why would a communist country be so afraid of its citizens liking a game that teaches you capitalism=FUN ?
Listar Jombardo	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:14:00 - [52] In addition do you realy want to be invaded by several thousend new players? The threads about lag aren't counteble ... hard to imagin the server-hardware which would be needed to run it smoth. But it would be interesting to see, what the Chines Boter do with the Rusian Boter
Emiko P'eng Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? Basically I was in a hurry, it was easier to quote the BBC than garner the examples I wanted from the myriad of other sources. Plus as the BBC is always being slated by both the those in power & the opposition in the UK for being biased against them, I find them a bit better than say 'Fox' in the US. Anyway here is a random selection on BBC & UK Internet! BBC News - 23 May 2011: Courts 'could target' Twitter UK BBC News - 30 Sep 2010: EU Commission takes UK to court over web privacy BBC News - 10 Nov 2010: Outdated libel laws 'need reform' BBC News - 29 Jan 2010: Law firm's piracy hunt condemned As for the UK in general. One ranting from the government was to suggest turning off Twitter & Facebook when a riot was threatened As for the prison sentences. UK Law has always operated the 'Deterrent' & 'Contraction' principle. First introduce law, second pick on a few semi-harmless violators and make BIG headlines by throwing the book at them. Result 95% of population go 'Oh! I don't want that to happen to me I will abide by the law' as well as keeping the tabloid newspaper readers happy with a bit of 'Bread & Circus'. Later a law 'review' will quietly reverse the earlier 'harsh' interpretations, while Joe average goes on not breaking the law as its habit now! It is quick, it is simple, it is cheap & it is a crowd pleaser and has worked for hundreds of years!
Corvus Dove Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Emiko P'eng Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? Basically I was in a hurry, it was easier to quote the BBC than garner the examples I wanted from the myriad of other sources. Plus as the BBC is always being slated by both the those in power & the opposition in the UK for being biased against them, I find them a bit better than say 'Fox' in the US. Anyway here is a random selection on BBC & UK Internet! BBC News - 23 May 2011: Courts 'could target' Twitter UK BBC News - 30 Sep 2010: EU Commission takes UK to court over web privacy BBC News - 10 Nov 2010: Outdated libel laws 'need reform' BBC News - 29 Jan 2010: Law firm's piracy hunt condemned As for the UK in general. One ranting from the government was to suggest turning off Twitter & Facebook when a riot was threatened As for the prison sentences. UK Law has always operated the 'Deterrent' & 'Contraction' principle. First introduce law, second pick on a few semi-harmless violators and make BIG headlines by throwing the book at them. Result 95% of population go 'Oh! I don't want that to happen to me I will abide by the law' as well as keeping the tabloid newspaper readers happy with a bit of 'Bread & Circus'. Later a law 'review' will quietly reverse the earlier 'harsh' interpretations, while Joe average goes on not breaking the law as its habit now! It is quick, it is simple, it is cheap & it is a crowd pleaser and has worked for hundreds of years! Until some stinkin colonials do the math and split, creating a similar (though more confused and haphazard) system to do the exact same thing. This message was authored and endorsed by a stinkin colonial. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Warzon3 Perkone	Posted - 2011.08.24 20:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Telvani Originally by: WeirdNoise PKing are you 10? CEVE is actually very similar to eve in about 2006, on a 2010 client (which is nice nicer than what we have atm) There are several large power blocs, and the sov map actually looks similar to TQ. Supercapitals are starting to proliferate but you still see playstyles seen on TQ like 3+ years ago (solo capital gatecamps). People still leeroy around solo and jump industrials through lowsec. 30 days gametime is worth about 1bn isk, T1 items are about 30% expensive. LP store items are far more expensive, they have fewer mission bears. deadspace and officer are often similar prices or cheaper. PVP is a lot like TQ several years ago, people still fit active tanks in fleets, and RR on BS rather than the modern guardian + buffer gangs. TL;DR 2006 eve on a 2010 client with a 2004 population. so far this is the only information about the chinese server that is correct. I have played on the chinese server for about 1 month (got bored with eve as a whole so stopped) we were with about 200 western players on the chinese server and were able to inflict massive damage with only frigs (fully CN fit CNRs concording themselves to save there buddy ) now why can't the chinese play on our server? Main reason is that a MMO can only be run by a company that belongs to the government. To play an MMO you need a chinese citizen ID and if you are underaged you can only play a few hours a day (don't ask me where we got our citizen ID's ) And simply merging the servers would not work for a few reasons: 1. Sov? who would keep there systems? 2. markets: CEVE got no markets exept for jita. (T1 is cheaper in 0.0 then jita as they have localized production) 3. contracts: The whole market for deadspace is strange on CEVE some items are dirt cheap while others you can hardly even find. Heck I own a gold AND silver magnate on the chinese server bought them for 200 mil each on contracts. ---- Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Downtime is now extended to 19:00 for patch file verification. This is a very important step that must be done to make sure clients are being corrupted.
Zenith Intaki Gallente Zenith Intaki Tech	Posted - 2011.08.24 21:22:00 - [56] Edited by: Zenith Intaki on 24/08/2011 21:22:38 Originally by: Kunming Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Why does China have a seperate server? Is it because Tranquility would be invaded by hoards of macro miners? Or is it because the language difference would cause wars rather than because of more interesting politics? If it's because the universe is too small, surely the best answer would be to make it bigger? Its because the Chinesse government has a strict control on internet access and they dont want chinese to log on to EU servers and "mindwashed" with anti-communistic ideas. Cuba, Iran, China, and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. So Mors praise, that you live in the free part of the world. Actually, Sweden is scanning all internet traffic that is going pass their country.
andeira	Posted - 2011.08.24 21:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Zenith Intaki Edited by: Zenith Intaki on 24/08/2011 21:22:38 Originally by: Kunming Originally by: Mors Magne I feel that both servers (Tranquility and Singularity) should be merged because "the more the merrier". Why does China have a seperate server? Is it because Tranquility would be invaded by hoards of macro miners? Or is it because the language difference would cause wars rather than because of more interesting politics? If it's because the universe is too small, surely the best answer would be to make it bigger? Its because the Chinesse government has a strict control on internet access and they dont want chinese to log on to EU servers and "mindwashed" with anti-communistic ideas. Cuba, Iran, China, and after 22nd november Turkey, are the only countries in the world that monitor and control personal information flow over the internet and have criminal laws and punishment for breaking these control mechanisms with the use of DNS, html, etc proxies. So Mors praise, that you live in the free part of the world. Actually, Sweden is scanning all internet traffic that is going pass their country. scanning is something else then controlling the USA also scan all there data traffic (note data so also phones not just internet) ------------- Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.24 22:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly Edited by: Oh''Freddled Gruntbuggly on 24/08/2011 19:58:11 Originally by: Emiko P'eng The main reason that the Chinese have their own 'official' server is very straight forward. Somebody that talks sense? Don't you feel, like, real out of place? I think you rely too much on the BBC as a source though. They are as equally bias as any news you'd get in China. While the BBC are quite diligent when telling you about all the awful things that happen in places like China, they neglect to point out that all of those things happen in the UK as well. There are moves afoot to require all online services - even personal blogs - to have verified ID at the application layer (it already exists at the network layer), Internet bans for those who P2P or "illegally" download, mandatory data-retention and across-the-board surveillance, censorship in the UK has been alive and well for a long time and has already been introduced to the Internet through a change to the terms of the licensing for ISPs (the change being made after Parliament had specifically voted down "national firewall" legislation), two British guys just got sent to prison for four years after chatting online words to the effect of "let's meet up and see if it kicks off" prior to an expected street disturbance, and a student was recently freed on appeal after having been in prison for over two years after he downloaded a public document from the US Dept of Justice website deemed by UK authorities to be "illegal". Chinese have probably got a faster server than the Brits and pay less for it. Other than that, life in both countries is pretty much the same. As a Brit myself, I totally agree with this assessment of the BBC - the BBC say they are neutral, but are actually rather left-wing. Also, they lean towards the environmental lobby, so they completely believe in global warming (even when it's bloody freezing and raining, like it normally is in the UK in summer).
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.24 22:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Tom Gerard Edited by: Tom Gerard on 24/08/2011 12:20:04 The Easy Answer: FACT: China has a government that doesn't give a rats *** about its people. FACT: China has difficulty educating everyone, because they wont build schools in rural areas. FACT: China's main goals are based in their distorted view of reality. FACT: The Internet has the potential to cause problems ... for the Chinese regime. FACT: China does not wish to be distracted from repressing their people. FACT: The "Firewall" compromise is a balance of individual rights and ensuring that chinese people aren't exposed to "poisonous" western ideas like democracy and human rights. OPINION: China as a communist state has some pretty flawed thinking and would have much fewer problems as a democracy, that being said they have been doing a pretty good job. Their people are well fed (unless you live in rural china then you have nothing), well housed (but nobody can afford to live in any of said housing), and desperate for an improved education system. China is actively working on improving education (but only if you live in a city, if your an ethnic minority or live in the country the govt pretends that you dont exist), but feels the internet knowledge could do more harm than good if not placed in-context (without extensive thought control the chinese regime would collapse). SARCASM: Who ever heard about getting "Bad information" off the internet? Fixt that for you (and yes I know you were being sarcastic). The other reason why MMOs have to have seperate chinese servers is because the chinese govt does not want the chinese people to have any contact with the outside world. If the chinese were allowed to freely associate with the rest of the world over the internet then chinese propaganda would not work, the chinese govt goes to great lengths to demonize the west in order to control its population.
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.08.24 23:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Mors Magne As a Brit myself, I totally agree with this assessment of the BBC. The BBC say they are neutral, but are reasonably left-wing. Also, they lean towards the environmental lobby - there is a rumor that BBC employees can't believe in alternatives to global warming (re-named 'climate change'), and don't report alternative evidence or opinions. I would definitely say the UK is only a few steps away from being china in terms of censorship and survaillance of its population, though they do it for mostly the same reasons, its easier to repress a population than to fix the domestic issues that cause people to protest the govt.
Sgt Blade Caldari Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.24 23:19:00 - [61] Edited by: Sgt Blade on 24/08/2011 23:23:14 Originally by: Mors Magne Edited by: Mors Magne on 24/08/2011 14:44:22 Originally by: Sgt Blade I take it no one here has spent a long time in China before? I had a Chinese girlfriend for a few years, but didn't visit China. Why? Have you, and if so, what was your perception? I am Chinese but was born in the UK, live here all my life but I have gone back many times and tbh Mainland China isn't as bad as what some people say it is Originally by: stoicfaux If your government has to ban the Back Street Boys in order to preserve "national cultural security," then there's something wrong with your government. China Blacklists Western Songs Quote: Hits by Lady Gaga, Beyonce and Take That are among 100 songs that have been placed on an internet blacklist by China's culture ministry. Music websites have been given until 15 September to remove the offending tracks, which officials say harm "national cultural security". The list also includes the Backstreet Boys track I Want It That Way, which was released more than a decade ago. lol? I recently was on holiday in Mainland China and I'm pretty sure China MTV played many western songs that I would expect them to play. They even have a vast collection of old and modern western music for you to sing in the many Karaoke clubs. Originally by: gfldex Mainland chinese law does not permit you to play more then 4h (IIRC) per day. That would put them into a rather bad spot in EVE. There are a few other regulation, like you have to run the servers in china and have a local company make (most) of the profit. The chinese government is indeed quite odd but most of their laws make quite a lot of sense. They actually refuse to make the same mistakes then other developing countries (like the US) did. Not sure 100% if this is actual law or not but even if it is nothing is being done about it if you go over your limit. I know of friends and family who game and they sometimes do more then 4 hours a day if they are off from work/school. The only limits I have seen on gaming is at arcades which are still popular over there, but the only rule is that 16 and under are not allowed into arcades during school hours which tbh is sensible I am not completely defending the Chinese government because there are many things that are wrong that they can improve/fix etc but it seems that a lot of people seem to make Chine look a lot worse then it actually is. Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Coonditioner	Posted - 2011.08.24 23:49:00 - [62] ITT people Defame our glorious leaders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_gaming_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.08.25 01:43:00 - [63] If they merged the servers, it would be "China versus Russia Online" Or The Great Bot Wars
Caren Patriach	Posted - 2011.08.25 04:02:00 - [64] one thing i'm assure : 1. Most of chinnese child live in tight budget, (no money to play at internet games cafe )so they do subjudged by adult to gain money such as in WOW ( gaining gold ) to change into RMT or something like for gameplay. 2. some adult works this child of poor family to play and paying them in so little money, but the child is satisfied cause they think : " i play i get money " win win solution between RMT and this children. 3. Some money well gained by using child rather like bot ( in wow they kind of group of hunter ) they tends to get as many as possible money to cover their expenses. 4. if serenity merged there will be a blob alliance of chinese that are doing gaining null sec in super blob to gain more money in null sec. you'll see
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.25 04:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Caren Patriach 4. if serenity merged there will be a blob alliance of chinese that are doing gaining null sec in super blob to gain more money in null sec. you'll see Not really. The Serenity is very much behind the curve when it comes to fleet setups, ship types, etc. Supers are rare on Serenity and even t2 fleets are rare. If anything the people from Serenity would be at a great disadvantage and really won't be able to compete for sometime.
Ehdward Caldari Nex Exercitus Raiden.	Posted - 2011.08.25 05:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Originally by: Caren Patriach 4. if serenity merged there will be a blob alliance of chinese that are doing gaining null sec in super blob to gain more money in null sec. you'll see Not really. The Serenity is very much behind the curve when it comes to fleet setups, ship types, etc. Supers are rare on Serenity and even t2 fleets are rare. If anything the people from Serenity would be at a great disadvantage and really won't be able to compete for sometime. Communist hegemony and stagnation? Unsurprising.
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.08.25 07:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Mors Magne I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend? Then your girlfriend was: A: Not chinese B: Working for the Peoples republic of China to brainwash you. C: Not real - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.25 08:47:00 - [68] Edited by: Mors Magne on 25/08/2011 08:48:05 Originally by: Ciar Meara Originally by: Mors Magne I used to have a Chinese girlfriend - I'm really surprised the Chinese Government would be bothered by a harmless game. Are you sure this isn't an urban legend? Then your girlfriend was: A: Not chinese B: Working for the Peoples republic of China to brainwash you. C: Not real It's an interesting idea that she could have been a spy from China! It's a bit far-fetched! For your interest, I still don't feel comfortable with the high numbers of executions for crimes that occur in China. So if I was brainwashed, it wasn't a total success. Having said that, I am fond of Chinese in general. For your interest, we met because we lived nearby at the same university in England. Close proximity literally brings people together. The relationship succeeded because it had all three important components: 1) We shared similar values, such as hard work and ethics. 2) We had differences that appealed to each other, such as different cultural backgrounds. 3) There was 'chemistry'.
Ejit Amarr STD contractors	Posted - 2011.08.25 09:18:00 - [69] Whilst on Serenity. If you type the magic word "Tiananmen Square" you will demolecularize and get sucked into the game Tron style.
Constantine Arcanum Bad Company DBD Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.08.25 10:57:00 - [70] Originally by: Chopper Rollins The translation of Coca-Cola had to be reworked because it came out as something like 'new flavor, out with the old' which doesn't go down well with Confucian filial piety. It's now 'kou ke ke le' (if i remember correctly) which means 'it's delicious, you'll smile'
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.08.25 11:17:00 - [71] There is a lot of willful ignorance for the sake of political correctness and fear of being called racist in this thread. Fact is, Chinese nationals ruin gameplay and economics on MMOs where ever they are allowed to play in large numbers. Their way of playing MMOs is not compatible with the way most of the rest of the world plays, and is the real reason they have their own server. That's not racism - that is reality. To pretend it isn't, and to pretend we don't all know it, is mass self delusion.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.08.25 11:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Mors Magne 3) There was 'chemistry'. Translation: "I used an ether rag."
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.25 12:02:00 - [73] Originally by: Jada Maroo There is a lot of willful ignorance for the sake of political correctness and fear of being called racist in this thread. Fact is, Chinese nationals ruin gameplay and economics on MMOs where ever they are allowed to play in large numbers. Their way of playing MMOs is not compatible with the way most of the rest of the world plays, and is the real reason they have their own server. That's not racism - that is reality. To pretend it isn't, and to pretend we don't all know it, is mass self delusion. Well, my ignorance isn't willful - it's genuine - I've never played on a server with Chinese people. However, in our Eve, many people make a career out of griefing others - Should we fear the Chinese, or should the Chinese fear us?
Optic Chiasm	Posted - 2011.08.25 12:48:00 - [74] Edited by: Optic Chiasm on 25/08/2011 12:49:02 Originally by: Jada Maroo There is a lot of willful ignorance for the sake of political correctness and fear of being called racist in this thread. Fact is, Chinese nationals ruin gameplay and economics on MMOs where ever they are allowed to play in large numbers. Their way of playing MMOs is not compatible with the way most of the rest of the world plays, and is the real reason they have their own server. That's not racism - that is reality. To pretend it isn't, and to pretend we don't all know it, is mass self delusion. True. Although i am not a Chinese, but i am pretty sure that the Chinese government does not prohibit their people from connecting to foreign servers at all, so the government censorship is the LAST explanation for the existence of Chinese server. Basically they abuse gameplay mechanisms, imagine a EVE world that 50% of the players are can flippers or ninja salvagers. Imagine getting private chat spams in mission hubs, "You doing Lv4s? can u fleet me up so i can share your isk and standings?", but only shows up when salvaging your wrecks, without asking you in advance. Of course these behaviors are totally legal in game, but that can ruin other players' gaming experience. When the Chinese players in other online games want to bypass the well-known censorship, they go to Taiwanese (a small democratic country right next to China) servers, because they speak almost the same language. I know Chinese players caused lots of unpleasants in games such as WOW's Taiwan server because of their behaviors. In order to keep the gaming environment healthy, the Chines IP is banned by many popular online games in Asia. If the game company still wants the huge Chinese market, they just make a special Chinese server for them. If u can read Chinese, here are some reading materials for u to get more understandings on this issue. http://home.donews.com/donews/article/6/61869.html http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_48ec437801000axc.html http://www.51t.com/news/52Bd99YuBc9FAfF9/ All the articles are written in Chinese and by Chinese, discussing why Chinese players are not welcomed by online games around the world. Yes, there is a Chinese version of EVE, but the internet censorship is the LAST explanation for its existence, since the Chinese government dosent prohibit their people from playing on foreign severs (such as TQ) AT ALL. Originally by: Constantine Arcanum It's now 'kou ke ke le' (if i remember correctly) which means 'it's delicious, you'll smile' Coca-Cola = 可口可樂 = 可口可乐 = "ke kou ke le" not "kou ke ke le" Your translation is a little bit weird, but i cant say its wrong :P
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:13:00 - [75] Originally by: Optic Chiasm Edited by: Optic Chiasm on 25/08/2011 12:49:02 Originally by: Jada Maroo There is a lot of willful ignorance for the sake of political correctness and fear of being called racist in this thread. Fact is, Chinese nationals ruin gameplay and economics on MMOs where ever they are allowed to play in large numbers. Their way of playing MMOs is not compatible with the way most of the rest of the world plays, and is the real reason they have their own server. That's not racism - that is reality. To pretend it isn't, and to pretend we don't all know it, is mass self delusion. True. Although i am not a Chinese, but i am pretty sure that the Chinese government does not prohibit their people from connecting to foreign servers at all, so the government censorship is the LAST explanation for the existence of Chinese server. Basically they abuse gameplay mechanisms, imagine a EVE world that 50% of the players are can flippers or ninja salvagers. Imagine getting private chat spams in mission hubs, "You doing Lv4s? can u fleet me up so i can share your isk and standings?", but only shows up when salvaging your wrecks, without asking you in advance. Of course these behaviors are totally legal in game, but that can ruin other players' gaming experience. When the Chinese players in other online games want to bypass the well-known censorship, they go to Taiwanese (a small democratic country right next to China) servers, because they speak almost the same language. I know Chinese players caused lots of unpleasants in games such as WOW's Taiwan server because of their behaviors. In order to keep the gaming environment healthy, the Chines IP is banned by many popular online games in Asia. If the game company still wants the huge Chinese market, they just make a special Chinese server for them. If u can read Chinese, here are some reading materials for u to get more understandings on this issue. http://home.donews.com/donews/article/6/61869.html http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_48ec437801000axc.html http://www.51t.com/news/52Bd99YuBc9FAfF9/ All the articles are written in Chinese and by Chinese, discussing why Chinese players are not welcomed by online games around the world. Yes, there is a Chinese version of EVE, but the internet censorship is the LAST explanation for its existence, since the Chinese government dosent prohibit their people from playing on foreign severs (such as TQ) AT ALL. Originally by: Constantine Arcanum It's now 'kou ke ke le' (if i remember correctly) which means 'it's delicious, you'll smile' Coca-Cola = 可口可樂 = 可口可乐 = "ke kou ke le" not "kou ke ke le" Your translation is a little bit weird, but i cant say its wrong :P Actually, I think this behaviour would be quite welcome - It would make mission running / carebearing much more interesting. Perhaps Eve is different because greifing is a way of life for us. Maybe the Chinese might fit in rather well?
mishkof Caldari Dirty Denizens	Posted - 2011.08.25 13:54:00 - [76] Originally by: Chopper Rollins Okay kids, China has a Confucian set of values that value Harmony more than Truth. That might sound weird/awful to some of you but remember, European culture is only recently out of it'd dark ages and is chaotic in comparison. The translation of Coca-Cola had to be reworked because it came out as something like 'new flavor, out with the old' which doesn't go down well with Confucian filial piety. They are also a shame culture, rather than a guilt culture like yours. Try to get your head around these important concepts before you start burping about who is free or totalitarian. I hear US Republicans vilifying people as flawed who disagree with them, a hallmark of totalitarian thought. A nation of over a billion has to be orderly, or the weight of so many atomised individuals would tear the place to shreds in weeks. None of you can trace your family trees back very far, not compared to the Chinese man i met in Singapore who could recite from memory his lineage going back 2000 years. That is funnny that you think the governmental contorol in China has anything to do with religion...I have a bridge I would love to sell to someone like you.
Ranger 1 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:09:00 - [77] Chinese legalities may not forbid their people from playing on our server, but it was the determining factor for CCP's decision to make a seperate server available to them. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:16:00 - [78] Originally by: mishkof Originally by: Chopper Rollins Okay kids, China has a Confucian set of values that value Harmony more than Truth. That might sound weird/awful to some of you but remember, European culture is only recently out of it'd dark ages and is chaotic in comparison. The translation of Coca-Cola had to be reworked because it came out as something like 'new flavor, out with the old' which doesn't go down well with Confucian filial piety. They are also a shame culture, rather than a guilt culture like yours. Try to get your head around these important concepts before you start burping about who is free or totalitarian. I hear US Republicans vilifying people as flawed who disagree with them, a hallmark of totalitarian thought. A nation of over a billion has to be orderly, or the weight of so many atomised individuals would tear the place to shreds in weeks. None of you can trace your family trees back very far, not compared to the Chinese man i met in Singapore who could recite from memory his lineage going back 2000 years. That is funnny that you think the governmental contorol in China has anything to do with religion...I have a bridge I would love to sell to someone like you. I think what he is getting at is that Confucianism (the philosophy of Confucias) is a philosophical ideal in China. It's not a religion. For example (from my personal experience) if you can demonstrate to someone in China that you live by the themes of Confucian thought, you are much admired. They are: humanity, ritual, loyalty, filial piety, relationships, and being a gentleman. However, people do fall short of these ideals in China - it happens, but they are not so respected as people who can live their lives by them. I hope this makes sense. Confucianism
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.08.25 14:43:00 - [79] Originally by: Mors Magne Actually, I think this behaviour would be quite welcome - It would make mission running / carebearing much more interesting. Perhaps Eve is different because greifing is a way of life for us. Maybe the Chinese might fit in rather well? Even more spam than is already endured and massive amounts more botting, RMT, and exploitation is "quite welcome" to you? Only thing I can suggest is try playing another MMO where the China isn't put on its own server and let me know if you still welcome them flooding Tranquility.
Mors Magne Astral Adventure	Posted - 2011.08.25 15:08:00 - [80] Originally by: Jada Maroo Even more spam than is already endured and massive amounts more botting, RMT, and exploitation is "quite welcome" to you? Only thing I can suggest is try playing another MMO where the China isn't put on its own server and let me know if you still welcome them flooding Tranquility. I think CCP are making a good effort to reduce botting and spam (plus RMT and exploitation). Although they will probably always be there, my perception is that they are more of a nuisance than a game-distroying thing. I think the main problem of merging the two servers is that the universe would have to be significantly enlarged. At the end of the day though, I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. For example, some people say that the Chinese do more can flipping, and hassle mission runners more. As a mission runner myself, I would actually welcome this because it would make things more interesting and varied.

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