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SilentSkills Gallente Tax Evaders Inc.	Posted - 2011.09.02 01:14:00 - [1] I wonder how the data on this article will change reflecting the Incarna 1.1 fail-cascade EVE24 article about EVE player growth enjoy The Monocle Definition
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.09.02 01:21:00 - [2] 404 - File or directory not found. what data lol -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too.
Indy Rider Amarr Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2011.09.02 01:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Indy Rider on 02/09/2011 01:23:51 Jester's blog its talking about. Considering previous growth in other expansions - a 2.4% growth is not something to be proud of, and CCP should be concerned.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.09.02 01:28:00 - [4] Is it really surprising? Incarna had about 5 minutes of gameplay content, at most. Compare this to the most rapid jump in player base, Apocrypha. Apocrypha had something for everyone. Miners loved the ore, gankers loved local and the miners, corps loved the teamwork required for large groups, ect. Content sells.
Denidil Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn	Posted - 2011.09.02 01:40:00 - [5] Originally by: mechtech Is it really surprising? Incarna had about 5 minutes of gameplay content, at most. Compare this to the most rapid jump in player base, Apocrypha. Apocrypha had something for everyone. Miners loved the ore, gankers loved local and the miners, corps loved the teamwork required for large groups, ect. Content sells. CCP says they won't do anything that size again. and they're not wrong (we don't need new systems.. we need tweaks that make all the existing space get used better). but you're not wrong either - "Content" (aka ** to do) sells. one thing that should also be taken into account - how many people just want to see Sov warfare made something non-****ed (Fix supers, stop the blob-and-bash mechanics) CCP - What are you going to do to make a Commitment To Quality in your patches going forward?
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:14:00 - [6] I'm done with Eve....for now. I'm sure I'll be back so I'll keep my stuff thanks. I'm off to play Rift for awhile I think. Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
fatmanpaul Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:22:00 - [7] I recommend World of Tanks, RIFT and Conan. I just hate WoW graphics. To those that sacrifice, we honor you.... I'm only as strong as my brother, therefore I ensure that my brother is strong. Do the damn thing! At all times. In all places. At all cost... NON C
supersexysucker	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:25:00 - [8] lol I saw someone on my steam frineds list playing "eve online demo" I told em to quit before wasting money. Eve is helping prove my point with a patch, another patch, and a hotfix server take down... rofl TY EVE! NO GROWTH 4 U!
Zirse Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:36:00 - [9] A 2.4% growth rate during an economic recession in a highly competitive market is nothing to scoff at. Unlike Jester's blog, EVE is doing fine. Not great mind you, but its a long ways away from what half of EVE's forum warriors seem to think is a death rattle.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Zirse A 2.4% growth rate during an economic recession in a highly competitive market is nothing to scoff at. Unlike Jester's blog, EVE is doing fine. Not great mind you, but its a long ways away from what half of EVE's forum warriors seem to think is a death rattle. A 2.4% growth over a 30 month period is actually not good at all. Eve for the most part isn't part of the same market as others. Its in a niche market so shouldn't really feel the squeeze so much when it comes to competition. Also using the recession isn't a good excuse either, since people might be justifying staying home and playing a game rather then going out and spending more money for entertainment. What this shows is just what Jester meant. This is not the end but usually a leveling off means the game will begin to steadily decline. The current attitude from CCP and level of devotion(or lack of) when it comes to Eve will only help speed up the process.
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:44:00 - [11] Originally by: supersexysucker Eve is helping prove my point with a patch, another patch, and a hotfix server take down... rofl TY EVE! You don't want patches? Ok. The door is that way ----> <------ Alternatively, jump out of this window
Forum Worrier	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:46:00 - [12] Incarna fail-cascade? The only fail cascade I see around here is when your mothers water broke.
Zirse Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.09.02 02:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Originally by: Zirse A 2.4% growth rate during an economic recession in a highly competitive market is nothing to scoff at. Unlike Jester's blog, EVE is doing fine. Not great mind you, but its a long ways away from what half of EVE's forum warriors seem to think is a death rattle. A 2.4% growth over a 30 month period is actually not good at all. Eve for the most part isn't part of the same market as others. Its in a niche market so shouldn't really feel the squeeze so much when it comes to competition. Also using the recession isn't a good excuse either, since people might be justifying staying home and playing a game rather then going out and spending more money for entertainment. What this shows is just what Jester meant. This is not the end but usually a leveling off means the game will begin to steadily decline. The current attitude from CCP and level of devotion(or lack of) when it comes to Eve will only help speed up the process. EVE is a niche game but it is in no way a niche market. EVE is a game. If you think that most EVE players (gamers) only play games within EVEs narrow niche then you are misinformed. (ib4 EVE players are mature adults who hate games!!!1!) When you don't have a job, its hard to justify spending money on a virtual life. Have their been any MMOs in the last year that have seen growth? The entire industry is feeling the pressure right now. For example, see the free2play epidemic. EVE is undergoing a few growing pains at the moment, some necessary and some not. Regardless, EVEs biggest selling point is its potential longevity, something that will come full-circle if CCP can demonstrate a future-proofed game in the next few years. Just relax for now, the EVE of right now is infinitely better than the EVE of four years ago, apart from all the whiners.
supersexysucker	Posted - 2011.09.02 03:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Originally by: supersexysucker Eve is helping prove my point with a patch, another patch, and a hotfix server take down... rofl TY EVE! You don't want patches? Ok. The door is that way ----> <------ Alternatively, jump out of this window Pre patch... undock... ready to go Post patch... undock... may or may not have mods online. Nope... DO NOT WANT. WTF did this first patch today... (wow I gota really say what patch from 1 day) do... other than break ****?
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.09.02 03:24:00 - [15] Does this information take into account the people who want to play eve but cannot because they did not upgrade to a video card that could support shader 3.0? We were given 6 months notice but yet people still refused to upgrade.
Orlacc	Posted - 2011.09.02 03:27:00 - [16] I get so intimidated by the business geniuses here.
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.09.02 03:30:00 - [17] Originally by: fatmanpaul I recommend World of Tanks, RIFT and Conan. I just hate WoW graphics. i was in Rift beta and am playing it now. Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
Tomas Sean Connery	Posted - 2011.09.03 01:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Zirse A 2.4% growth rate during an economic recession in a highly competitive market is nothing to scoff at. Unlike Jester's blog, EVE is doing fine. Not great mind you, but its a long ways away from what half of EVE's forum warriors seem to think is a death rattle. 2.4% over a period of 2 and 1/2 years!!! Here's a quote for the last 2 months- "For those wondering what the percentage in EVE's growth was for +60 days after Incarna's release? Before I normalized it, it was up a bit. After normalization, the true number is -0.2%. The normalized +30 day number changes from the -1.8% I published on July 20 to +0.1%. In short, either there's been no growth from Incarna, or any growth has been neutralized by unsubs caused by this summer's dramas." That looks pretty stagnate to me. At any rate it's a far cry from what our dear leader of the CSM had to say back in April. "The release of Incarna and later Dust 514 is likely to make EVEÆs subscriber base and revenue generation explode..." -source
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.09.03 01:44:00 - [19] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 03/09/2011 01:45:53 Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 03/09/2011 01:44:50 Originally by: Obsidian Hawk We were given 6 months notice but yet people still refused to upgrade. Just cause everyone doesnt live in mommy's basement and play EVE with her credit card... there are poor ppl that play this game too you know lol Originally by: fatmanpaul I recommend World of Tanks, RIFT and Conan. I just hate WoW graphics. which is why you dont wanna suggest SWTOR lol Quote: "The release of Incarna and later Dust 514 is likely to make EVEÆs subscriber base and revenue generation explode..." Hey, they were right. Explode in anger though
Name Family Name	Posted - 2011.09.03 01:51:00 - [20] When it comes to revenue, I think it may be more drastic - I guess there will be a lot of people like me who have a couple of bill left in the game and keep their accounts running with that to continue training and occasionally have a chat with old mates (who are on less and less). Maybe I'll start playing and paying again if CCP eventually decide to change things in the actual game rather than trying to ram their WOD alpha down my throat. Only CCP knows the true numbers, but I guess this plex firesale is a pretty good indicator.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.09.03 01:53:00 - [21] To be honest, I was expecting a much sharper and much faster decline after the :18months: thing. Mostly just stagnating subscription counts are not THAT bad of a deal. I'm curious how the things will develop after they allegedly restart developing EVE's "spaceships in space" part more actively//aggressively. _ Akita T USEFUL EVE LINKS collection
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.09.03 01:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T To be honest, I was expecting a much sharper and much faster decline after the :18months: thing. Mostly just stagnating subscription counts are not THAT bad of a deal. I'm curious how the things will develop after they allegedly restart developing EVE's "spaceships in space" part more actively//aggressively. DUST an WoD gotta come out first, not to mention WiS -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too.
Ethan Bejorn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.09.03 11:51:00 - [23] Wasting millions of dollars, thousands of man hours, and for what? No increase in revenue, and a very ****ed of player base. GG CCP, GG.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.09.03 17:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T To be honest, I was expecting a much sharper and much faster decline after the :18months: thing. Mostly just stagnating subscription counts are not THAT bad of a deal. I'm curious how the things will develop after they allegedly restart developing EVE's "spaceships in space" part more actively//aggressively. plex I suspect their income is dropping. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Nin Kimrov Minmatar Kenzi Arms and Munitions	Posted - 2011.09.03 17:29:00 - [25] That explain why the plex price didn't drop. It's not because of that nex store, but because people switched to plex subscription, with a mix of speculation in this.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.09.03 17:33:00 - [26] Its not as bad as the naysayers say. If there is flat growth because people left... Then profits for CCP are up because NEX items are selling... And CPU load is down because bots have been banned. I get less lag, a better economy, and CCP get enough money to keep everything running. I think a lot of people are just bitter because they want Dust and WoD to fail so they can say "told you so". I doubt that will happen. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
grootgroot	Posted - 2011.09.03 17:44:00 - [27] When they release a finished Incarna, not the single-player prison cell that they called Incarna 1.0, and we can interact with people (as you do in MMOs) and do stuff it might be quite interesting.
Tomas Sean Connery	Posted - 2011.09.03 19:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Cipher Jones Its not as bad as the naysayers say. If there is flat growth because people left... Then profits for CCP are up because NEX items are selling... And CPU load is down because bots have been banned. I get less lag, a better economy, and CCP get enough money to keep everything running. I think a lot of people are just bitter because they want Dust and WoD to fail so they can say "told you so". I doubt that will happen. I just highlighted the parts where you are wrong. First there is no "If", there is no growth. Second if profits were up there would be no need for the plex sale. Third, people have been abusing the bot reporting feature. So in actuality all we're getting is less lag since there is less people on, a stagnate economy, and CCP try to find enough money to keep everything running
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.09.03 19:35:00 - [29] Originally by: grootgroot When they release a finished Incarna, not the single-player prison cell that they called Incarna 1.0, and we can interact with people (as you do in MMOs) and do stuff it might be quite interesting. Will it be as interesting as the main Horde town in WoW? Orgimar I think it is? Where people stand around and /dance? Interesting like that? Man, I can't f-ing wait.
Trolls Troll	Posted - 2011.09.03 19:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Tomas Sean Connery Originally by: Cipher Jones Its not as bad as the naysayers say. If there is flat growth because people left... Then profits for CCP are up because NEX items are selling... And CPU load is down because bots have been banned. I get less lag, a better economy, and CCP get enough money to keep everything running. I think a lot of people are just bitter because they want Dust and WoD to fail so they can say "told you so". I doubt that will happen. I just highlighted the parts where you are wrong. First there is no "If", there is no growth. Second if profits were up there would be no need for the plex sale. Third, people have been abusing the bot reporting feature. So in actuality all we're getting is less lag since there is less people on, a stagnate economy, and CCP try to find enough money to keep everything running Don't feed Cipher, he's a known Monocotroll

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