Originally by: mechtech

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Is it really surprising? Incarna had about 5 minutes of gameplay content, at most.

Compare this to the most rapid jump in player base, Apocrypha. Apocrypha had something for everyone. Miners loved the ore, gankers loved local and the miners, corps loved the teamwork required for large groups, ect.

Content sells.

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Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz

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null sec sucks dongs.

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Originally by: Zirse

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A 2.4% growth rate during an economic recession in a highly competitive market is nothing to scoff at.

Unlike Jester's blog, EVE is doing fine. Not great mind you, but its a long ways away from what half of EVE's forum warriors seem to think is a death rattle.

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Originally by: supersexysucker

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Eve is helping prove my point with a patch, another patch, and a hotfix server take down... rofl TY EVE!

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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai

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Originally by: Zirse

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A 2.4% growth rate during an economic recession in a highly competitive market is nothing to scoff at.

Unlike Jester's blog, EVE is doing fine. Not great mind you, but its a long ways away from what half of EVE's forum warriors seem to think is a death rattle.

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A 2.4% growth over a 30 month period is actually not good at all. Eve for the most part isn't part of the same market as others. Its in a niche market so shouldn't really feel the squeeze so much when it comes to competition. Also using the recession isn't a good excuse either, since people might be justifying staying home and playing a game rather then going out and spending more money for entertainment. What this shows is just what Jester meant. This is not the end but usually a leveling off means the game will begin to steadily decline. The current attitude from CCP and level of devotion(or lack of) when it comes to Eve will only help speed up the process.

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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet

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Originally by: supersexysucker

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Eve is helping prove my point with a patch, another patch, and a hotfix server take down... rofl TY EVE!

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You don't want patches?
Ok.


The door is that way ---->
<------ Alternatively, jump out of this window

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Originally by: fatmanpaul

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I recommend World of Tanks, RIFT and Conan. I just hate WoW graphics.

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Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz

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null sec sucks dongs.

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Originally by: Zirse

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A 2.4% growth rate during an economic recession in a highly competitive market is nothing to scoff at.

Unlike Jester's blog, EVE is doing fine. Not great mind you, but its a long ways away from what half of EVE's forum warriors seem to think is a death rattle.

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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

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We were given 6 months notice but yet people still refused to upgrade.

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Originally by: fatmanpaul

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I recommend World of Tanks, RIFT and Conan. I just hate WoW graphics.

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"The release of Incarna and later Dust 514 is likely to make EVEÆs subscriber base and revenue generation explode..."

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Originally by: Akita T

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To be honest, I was expecting a much sharper and much faster decline after the :18months: thing.
Mostly just stagnating subscription counts are not THAT bad of a deal.
I'm curious how the things will develop after they allegedly restart developing EVE's "spaceships in space" part more actively//aggressively.

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Originally by: Akita T

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To be honest, I was expecting a much sharper and much faster decline after the :18months: thing.
Mostly just stagnating subscription counts are not THAT bad of a deal.
I'm curious how the things will develop after they allegedly restart developing EVE's "spaceships in space" part more actively//aggressively.

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Its not as bad as the naysayers say.

If there is flat growth because people left...

Then profits for CCP are up because NEX items are selling...

And CPU load is down because bots have been banned.

I get less lag, a better economy, and CCP get enough money to keep everything running.

I think a lot of people are just bitter because they want Dust and WoD to fail so they can say "told you so".

I doubt that will happen.

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Originally by: grootgroot

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When they release a finished Incarna, not the single-player prison cell that they called Incarna 1.0, and we can interact with people (as you do in MMOs) and do stuff it might be quite interesting.

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Originally by: Tomas Sean Connery

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Its not as bad as the naysayers say.

If there is flat growth because people left...

Then profits for CCP are up because NEX items are selling...

And CPU load is down because bots have been banned.

I get less lag, a better economy, and CCP get enough money to keep everything running.

I think a lot of people are just bitter because they want Dust and WoD to fail so they can say "told you so".

I doubt that will happen.

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I just highlighted the parts where you are wrong. First there is no "If", there is no growth. Second if profits were up there would be no need for the plex sale. Third, people have been abusing the bot reporting feature. So in actuality all we're getting is less lag since there is less people on, a stagnate economy, and CCP try to find enough money to keep everything running

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Originally by: Trolls Troll

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Originally by: Tomas Sean Connery

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Its not as bad as the naysayers say.

If there is flat growth because people left...

Then profits for CCP are up because NEX items are selling...

And CPU load is down because bots have been banned.

I get less lag, a better economy, and CCP get enough money to keep everything running.

I think a lot of people are just bitter because they want Dust and WoD to fail so they can say "told you so".

I doubt that will happen.

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I just highlighted the parts where you are wrong. First there is no "If", there is no growth. Second if profits were up there would be no need for the plex sale. Third, people have been abusing the bot reporting feature. So in actuality all we're getting is less lag since there is less people on, a stagnate economy, and CCP try to find enough money to keep everything running

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Don't feed Cipher, he's a known Monocotroll

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Originally by: grootgroot

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When they release a finished Incarna, not the single-player prison cell that they called Incarna 1.0, and we can interact with people (as you do in MMOs) and do stuff it might be quite interesting.

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Originally by: Trolls Troll

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Edited by: Trolls Troll on 03/09/2011 20:42:52
Where does it say profits for CCP are up over the last 3 months?

Your really suggesting that the amount of nex items sold outweigh the levelling of growth over the last 2 years (2.4% is good growth over 30 months? LOL), and dropping of subs over the last three months? The nex store is a horrible failure, and you continue to troll people that bash ccp by making up poor theories about how well ccp are doing (subs are down means profits are up? wtf?????? 1 monocle is 4 plex? so 1000 monocles= 4000 plex. thats only 1000 subs for 4 months to make that up. Oh and add on the actual cost of developing the whole nex store. Yep ccp are raking it in.)

Your a misinformed troll and a bad one at that, go read the you owe ccp nothing thread before you come and defend them.

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Originally by: Slater

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Quality, not quantity, man.

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Originally by: Melkath Bandrom

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Edited by: Melkath Bandrom on 03/09/2011 20:50:07

Originally by: grootgroot

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When they release a finished Incarna, not the single-player prison cell that they called Incarna 1.0, and we can interact with people (as you do in MMOs) and do stuff it might be quite interesting.

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It will be interesting in 2nd Life sort of way maybe...

*gag/shudder*

If i wanted to play 2nd life, I'd go PLAY 2ND LIFE!!

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Originally by: Trolls Troll

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Edited by: Trolls Troll on 03/09/2011 20:42:52
Where does it say profits for CCP are up over the last 3 months?

Your really suggesting that the amount of nex items sold outweigh the levelling of growth over the last 2 years (2.4% is good growth over 30 months? LOL), and dropping of subs over the last three months? The nex store is a horrible failure, and you continue to troll people that bash ccp by making up poor theories about how well ccp are doing (subs are down means profits are up? wtf?????? 1 monocle is 4 plex? so 1000 monocles= 4000 plex. thats only 1000 subs for 4 months to make that up. Oh and add on the actual cost of developing the whole nex store. Yep ccp are raking it in.)

Your a misinformed troll and a bad one at that, go read the you owe ccp nothing thread before you come and defend them.

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You're quite the armchair theory-crafting-economist there. Also using arbitrary numbers to prove that I am "trolling" is classy. OFC people that fabricate information have 'more' of it.

Originally by: Slater

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Quality, not quantity, man.

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Originally by: Trolls Troll

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You forget that your monocle gives your arguments no weight.

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Originally by: SilentSkills

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I wonder how the data on this article will change reflecting the Incarna 1.1 fail-cascade
EVE24 article about EVE player growth
enjoy

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Originally by: Ghoest

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Originally by: Akita T

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To be honest, I was expecting a much sharper and much faster decline after the :18months: thing.
Mostly just stagnating subscription counts are not THAT bad of a deal.
I'm curious how the things will develop after they allegedly restart developing EVE's "spaceships in space" part more actively//aggressively.

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plex

I suspect their income is dropping.

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Originally by: Forum Worrier

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Peasants should not partake in economic debates.

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Originally by: LittleTerror

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This happens to almost all games every summer...

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Originally by: Trolls Troll

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Originally by: Tomas Sean Connery

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Its not as bad as the naysayers say.

If there is flat growth because people left...

Then profits for CCP are up because NEX items are selling...

And CPU load is down because bots have been banned.

I get less lag, a better economy, and CCP get enough money to keep everything running.

I think a lot of people are just bitter because they want Dust and WoD to fail so they can say "told you so".

I doubt that will happen.

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I just highlighted the parts where you are wrong. First there is no "If", there is no growth. Second if profits were up there would be no need for the plex sale. Third, people have been abusing the bot reporting feature. So in actuality all we're getting is less lag since there is less people on, a stagnate economy, and CCP try to find enough money to keep everything running

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Don't feed Cipher, he's a known Monocotroll

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Yet you cant rebute what I say as the above poster cannot either.

Flat subscription growth + Additional Income = Increased revenues.

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Originally by: Razin

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Another thing to consider are the cancelled subs that haven't run out yet. Time will tell.

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Originally by: baltec1

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Meanwhile WoW has lost 900k subs over the same amount of time. There cannot possibly be a connection, can there?

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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai

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Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 04/09/2011 14:11:04

Originally by: baltec1

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Meanwhile WoW has lost 900k subs over the same amount of time. There cannot possibly be a connection, can there?

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Not really. Two different games two different player bases.

Though I'm more curious on what your sources are for the 900k drop in WoW subs.

Not like it really matters though, because recently WoW went f2p for people below a certain level. So you would assume that some of that loss of subs where people switching to the f2p until reaching the level in which they have to resub. So not really a complete loss.

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Originally by: Discrodia

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For years I said EVE wasn't going to die. I love eating my own words.

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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai

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Depending on what you want to do possibly. Some will take the time to level multiple characters to max f2p level, use them as low level BG(and arena?) alts, or try and grind low level instances. So pretty much milking the f2p as long as possible. Not saying its the main cause but could account for many of the drop accounts. Though I still doubt the OPs claim until he can provide some sort of source.

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On the World of Warcraft side, we experienced a slight decrease in subscribership during Q2, closing the quarter at 11.1 million subscribers worldwide. Since that time, we launched Cataclysm in China and have seen an increase in concurrency within the region. WeÆre very excited to have delivered the latest expansion to Chinese players, and we look forward to working with our local partner NetEase to continue improving the rate at which we are able to release new content to our players there. In addition to the China launch, we also just announced that we will be releasing a Portuguese version of World of Warcraft in Brazil later this year.

Aside from promoting World of Warcraft in other regions, we're taking other steps to bring more players into the community. With the new World of Warcraft's Starter Edition, players are now able to play the game for free until level 20 with no time restrictions. Since the launch of this program, we've seen a significant increase in new account creations, which we hope will allow us to continue attracting new players.

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Finally, our partners at NetEase began operating Wrath of the Lich King in China back in August. Players in that region have flocked to the game and as a result we've seen our active global player base for the World of Warcraft top 12 million.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: LittleTerror

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This happens to almost all games every summer...

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àexcept EVE, where summers usually increase the numbers, due to people having more free time, and further boosted by a summer patch release. Instead, EVE numbers go down at the end of summer/early autumn, as people go back to work/school.

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1. New avatars, one of the core features of Incarna, was released as part of the Incursion expansion.
2. Captain's Quarters was released on Singularity (the test server) weeks prior to the official expansion, so players got to experience that aspect of the game well before patch date.
3. Captain's Quarters itself has few real features for existing players, and is more of a test for new technology before the winter expansion.

Originally by: LittleTerror

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: LittleTerror

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This happens to almost all games every summer...

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àexcept EVE, where summers usually increase the numbers, due to people having more free time, and further boosted by a summer patch release. Instead, EVE numbers go down at the end of summer/early autumn, as people go back to work/school.

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Nope, unless you like to sit inside when the weather is nice. People come home from school/work and like to play eve for a few hours and winter people often stay indoors because its dark and cold.

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Originally by: Alice Katsuko

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Keep in mind that Peak Concurrent Users (PCU) is not the same thing as the number of subscribed accounts. Historically the accounts subscribed have increased steadily despite drops in PCU, but never increasing as rapidly as PCU, either. PCU has been strongly affected by expansions: PCU starts increasing approximately one to two months before an expansion, and crests approximately one to two months after an expansion. This is because expansions result not only in new subscriptions, but cause increased activity from existing subscribers and subscribers who are dormant in-game.

Incarna is the first expansion where there has been no pre-expansion growth in PCU. However, keep in mind that Incarna is also unlike any other EVE expansion which has been released so far:

1. New avatars, one of the core features of Incarna, was released as part of the Incursion expansion.
2. Captain's Quarters was released on Singularity (the test server) weeks prior to the official expansion, so players got to experience that aspect of the game well before patch date.
3. Captain's Quarters itself has few real features for existing players, and is more of a test for new technology before the winter expansion.

Altogether, Incarna was not a real expansion in that most of its core features were made available prior to patch date, and most of those core features did not have significant gameplay elements. Consequently, Incarna should not be considered a real expansion in its effect on PCU. If we ignore Incarna, then PCU numbers closely track the prior pattern of expansion peak and post-expansion slump. So there is nothing really alarming about Incarna numbers.

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