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Clone3424	Posted - 2011.09.02 19:35:00 - [1] We may no longer be trying to burn Jita and Amarr down but 3 months after monoclegate the general forums are still awash with rage. I'm a bit miffed, but not at "The sky is falling" stage....yet. But had a company (any type) with healthy competition (I feel Eve does not have a good competitor) had 3 months of venom on its public pages I feel it would have been damaged more than Eve has at this time. This is temporary CCP, and more luck than skill at this point. I'm aware CCP will only listen to "what we do" but failed expansions and patches have left me less angry and more.........
Salicaz Caldari Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.09.02 19:38:00 - [2] << Main. Why does the forum never remember?
War Kitten Panda McLegion	Posted - 2011.09.02 19:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Clone3424 I'm a bit miffed, but not at "The sky is falling" stage....yet. Can I just have some of your stuff then?
Diondra Reuben	Posted - 2011.09.02 19:38:00 - [4] But there is no competition in this market...so IMO, it's a smart move...coming from a CEO perspective...
Salicaz Caldari Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.09.02 19:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Diondra Reuben But there is no competition in this market...so IMO, it's a smart move...coming from a CEO perspective... It's not really. It's a temporary reprieve. Rats can't leave a sinking ship, but if it gets to port just in time they won't stay on it.
XIRUSPHERE Gallente Deadly Intent.	Posted - 2011.09.02 19:41:00 - [6] Edited by: XIRUSPHERE on 02/09/2011 19:41:08 I believe hate is too strong a word. Metagaming, trolling, general poking and prodding and lulz are abound. Incarna pretty much turned GD into a cesspool that eclipsed caod.
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.09.02 19:43:00 - [7] Originally by: XIRUSPHERE Edited by: XIRUSPHERE on 02/09/2011 19:41:08 I believe hate is too strong a word. Metagaming, trolling, general poking and prodding and lulz are abound. Incarna pretty much turned GD into a cesspool that eclipsed caod. And somehow this isn't considered a bad sign? Originally by: Discrodia For years I said EVE wasn't going to die. I love eating my own words.
Denidil Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Discrodia Originally by: XIRUSPHERE Edited by: XIRUSPHERE on 02/09/2011 19:41:08 I believe hate is too strong a word. Metagaming, trolling, general poking and prodding and lulz are abound. Incarna pretty much turned GD into a cesspool that eclipsed caod. And somehow this isn't considered a bad sign? if it wasn't for the fact that 90% of the noise is a bunch of chicken little bull****. then yeah it would be a bad sign. but most of the noise is a small number of very squeaky wheels talking out of their collective ass. CCP - What are you going to do to make a Commitment To Quality in your patches going forward?
Covert Kitty Amarr SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Covert Kitty on 02/09/2011 20:03:19 Most of it is deserved. It's proper to be fairly p\|ssed off when CCP's priority seems to be spending huge amounts of time developing features that add no gameplay and are designed solely to extract more money from the community. This, in a game that is quite frankly, very unpolished, and has a huge laundry list of things that need to be improved on. So yes, people are p\|ssed when yet another expansion goes by where the fundamentals of the game are ignored for MT cosmetic BS.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Diondra Reuben But there is no competition in this market...so IMO, it's a smart move...coming from a CEO perspective... Not online, but the X series is everything you could wish. I've just been tinkering with my copy of X3 and that game is more amazing than what I remembered (towing asteroids... that was serious fun!) Same species, different breed. But if CCP hasn't got their homework done by either November or the release of X Rebirth, I will go offline for a change. -- I should had never left X3: Reunion...
Solj RichPopolous Amarr Templars of Space Northern Associates.	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Solj RichPopolous on 02/09/2011 20:10:34 Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Originally by: Diondra Reuben But there is no competition in this market...so IMO, it's a smart move...coming from a CEO perspective... Not online, but the X series is everything you could wish. I've just been tinkering with my copy of X3 and that game is more amazing than what I remembered (towing asteroids... that was serious fun!) Same species, different breed. But if CCP hasn't got their homework done by either November or the release of X Rebirth, I will go offline for a change. If only X3 was a MMO. Kinda get that feel that it should be. I love the game my only problem with it is when i realize there's nobody around me but NPCs and I get sad.
Diomedes Calypso Aetolian Armada	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 02/09/2011 20:26:55 Irritation is more like it. Irritation and frustration. Also a "missgivings about the future of gaming" (i'd use the word fear yet of course its' not fear like losing a job or having your child kidnapped, or dying to cancer....) There is a segment of gamers who want something that this game has had that others do not have. The few other games that i've seen trying to go there are in their infancy and if EVE moves away from showing the niche works, its less likely that others will persist with the model or get funding to do so. I've not been impressed too much with those games comittment to sandboxes either. Eve has retained players at an incredible rate and attracted players in an admirable rate (only eclipsed by maybe 10% of the releases and even there, most with huge huge finacial investments in them) Instead of remaining a moderately growing cash cow, they're leaping for bigger potential by (what many believe) catering to a less intense, level of player who find the complexity not a feature, but daunting. What many find as a joy to dig for details about on third party sites and love the idea there are wide swaths of the game that they haven't seen after years or play that could be available, a lower level gamer expects to see all content with a limited time investment... ok.. all stop with all the detailed speculation with each detailed point subject to certain levels of scrutiny about exactly wide-spread any one point is. (and people start looking for black white answers instead of conceding a point is partly true and influential if some people, not all react that way... ) Bottom line is, not only are we possibly faced with a game less interesting because of goals to work not towards making it more enticing to the gamer wanting it more complex .. but we're also ****ed that a model of finacial success catering to that sort of group is being destroyed, hence less likely to be replicated. That's a meta level but a very important meta level that will keep people complaining instead of moving on, or perhaps out of gaming.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Solj RichPopolous Edited by: Solj RichPopolous on 02/09/2011 20:10:34 Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Originally by: Diondra Reuben But there is no competition in this market...so IMO, it's a smart move...coming from a CEO perspective... Not online, but the X series is everything you could wish. I've just been tinkering with my copy of X3 and that game is more amazing than what I remembered (towing asteroids... that was serious fun!) Same species, different breed. But if CCP hasn't got their homework done by either November or the release of X Rebirth, I will go offline for a change. If only X3 was a MMO. Kinda get that feel that it should be. I love the game my only problem with it is when i realize there's nobody around me but NPCs and I get sad. Yes, but you can't have a MMO like X3. There is no way to "joytick fly" a ship in a MMO. The feel of sailing over a big ship on your tiny fighter at a few m/s is something you can't experience online... my, what memories. I was an expert docking my Battleship, what-was-its-name, and aligning at jumpgates with minimal maneuvering... right in the middle like a thread on the needle. -- I should had never left X3: Reunion...
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:30:00 - [14] It's like my mother used to say: "If you don't have anything nice to say about someone on the internet, then that leaves only bad things to say about someone on the internet. If there aren't any good or bad things to say about someone on the internet, then why are they on the internet in the first place?" ----- CCP's NeX Pricing Tiers Affordable: One PLEX Mid: 3-4 PLEX Deluxe: Only for "flamboyantly rich capsuleers" Exceptional: ??
Digital Messiah Gallente N7 Corporation PandaMonium.	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:43:00 - [15] EVE has always had hate threads on the general forum. The issue now is that OP's and supporters get "fame" or attention for making the same screw this game threads. When in all reality it is doing nothing. Also I imagine toasters have gone up in price with recent sales. You know the long corded ones. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
EI Digin Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:49:00 - [16] Confirming that I do in fact hate the OP
Maiia Arlenne	Posted - 2011.09.02 20:51:00 - [17] It really doesn't matter, because there is new fashion, fast fashion available at CCP's highly acclaimed new NeX store. Discerning capsuleers should buy now so as to show off their sense of style and good taste.
olimacus Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2011.09.02 21:24:00 - [18] Nobody cares. Especially CCP.
Aniete Hetheres	Posted - 2011.09.02 21:24:00 - [19] Edited by: Aniete Hetheres on 02/09/2011 21:24:46 Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Yes, but you can't have a MMO like X3. There is no way to "joytick fly" a ship in a MMO. The feel of sailing over a big ship on your tiny fighter at a few m/s is something you can't experience online... my, what memories. I was an expert docking my Battleship, what-was-its-name, and aligning at jumpgates with minimal maneuvering... right in the middle like a thread on the needle. This is a "joystick fly" game. It is not as refined as Eve, but it is a lot of fun. There is a joystick mode. So it is possible. Video: Linkage Game:http://ace.subagames.com/
Ethan Bejorn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.09.02 21:30:00 - [20] Originally by: olimacus Nobody cares. Especially CCP. Apathy. I can hardly find the drive to post about how much I can't stand CCP these days anymore. Seems pointless. They just keep digging their hole deeper and deeper.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.09.02 21:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Clone3424 We may no longer be trying to burn Jita and Amarr down but 3 months after monoclegate the general forums are still awash with rage. Question: when are they not? -------- CCP knows better than the players whats good for their game. SOE knew what was best for SWG too. Better than all those players that left too.
Meryl SinGarda Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.09.02 21:57:00 - [22] People are afraid of change. So when something like EVE changes as much as it has, and continues to do so, you are witness to an explosion of people that don't "get it." Fly safe, Die hard
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.09.02 22:15:00 - [23] I don't think anyone is scurred of change it's how poorly handled the deployment was, lack of communication and content, deletions, overall being ignored, delayed fixes, and having to deal with melting hardware. Please don't pretend or act like there isn't something wrong here, because there is..
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.09.02 22:23:00 - [24] Edited by: Malcanis on 02/09/2011 22:22:57 Originally by: Clone3424 We may no longer be trying to burn Jita and Amarr down but 3 months after monoclegate the general forums are still awash with rage. Yeah it's almost as if not a whole lot of the problems people are annoyed about have been fixed. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.09.02 22:37:00 - [25] Been here since '08. Been hearing CCP is the devil since '08. Been hearing EvE is dying since '08. Also, everyone that thinks 'monoclegate' is a legit concern, GTFO already. You hate it? Bye. Vote with your dollar, not your tears. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Meryl SinGarda Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.09.02 22:58:00 - [26] Originally by: BLACK-STAR I don't think anyone is scurred of change it's how poorly handled the deployment was, lack of communication and content, deletions, overall being ignored, delayed fixes, and having to deal with melting hardware. Please don't pretend or act like there isn't something wrong here, because there is.. I could walk out into the streets and claim that the world is ending and that it's the governments' fault. I wouldn't be anymore "right" than the people spamming what used to be half decent forums. I'm not pretending or acting as if something isn't wrong because I know that there is nothing wrong. I am simply capable of thinking without blinders. Fly safe, Die hard
Covert Kitty Amarr SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.09.02 23:31:00 - [27] Quote: People are afraid of change. So when something like EVE changes as much as it has, and continues to do so, you are witness to an explosion of people that don't "get it." That isn't it. In fact it's the exact opposite. The reason most of us are angry is because things are not changing, that bug's, gameplay issues, bad interfaces and design that have been around for years are ignored. That feature wishlists, polish, and redesigning parts of the game are bypassed in favor of exploitative crap like the NeX. I love positive change, and applaud it every time it comes. Getting rid of learning skills was great, Apocrypha was great, redoing the browser, mail, and contract windows were all great changes, as was incursions. However there is also "change" that just obviously harms the game.
xxxTRUSTxxx	Posted - 2011.09.02 23:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Clone3424 We may no longer be trying to burn Jita and Amarr down but 3 months after monoclegate the general forums are still awash with rage. I'm a bit miffed, but not at "The sky is falling" stage....yet. But had a company (any type) with healthy competition (I feel Eve does not have a good competitor) had 3 months of venom on its public pages I feel it would have been damaged more than Eve has at this time. This is temporary CCP, and more luck than skill at this point. I'm aware CCP will only listen to "what we do" but failed expansions and patches have left me less angry and more......... post from your main and stop being such a girly man. how long have you actualy played eve ?
BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.09.02 23:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I could walk out into the streets and claim that the world is ending and that it's the governments' fault. I wouldn't be anymore "right" than the people spamming what used to be half decent forums. I don't understand. Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I'm not pretending or acting as if something isn't wrong because I know that there is nothing wrong. I am simply capable of thinking without blinders. huh. things can't be any more obvious? even if you aren't affected doesn't mean the problem isn't there. you should try thinking out of your bubble.
N1gella Laws0n	Posted - 2011.09.03 00:08:00 - [30] GD might well be full of hate, but full is a relative term. A thimble can be full of whiskey, but it won't get you drunk. GD feels like it is missing about half it's normal traffic. Dodixie doesn't have 24/7 jerks outside m20, you can even launch from Jita and not get locked. People are missing in game, people are missing on the forum, way more than the PCU indicates.
Empy Ralt	Posted - 2011.09.03 01:48:00 - [31] It's no surprise. There's nothing "new" in Eve to chat about and no sign they'll do anything about old bugs and irritations anytime soon and the community knows it. COAD is likewise dying because null-sec has pretty much been "won" and the great game is over.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.09.03 01:53:00 - [32] Yeah... when 0.0 is owned by ppl that dont fight each other that kinda defeats the purpose doesnt it?
Denidil Gallente Rape Pillage and Burn	Posted - 2011.09.03 02:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai There is no way to "joytick fly" a ship in a MMO. not from a programming stand point... problem with actually having to rely on flight skill in an MMO is some of us would **** everyone else. plus joystick control is only really appropriate for fighters ala Wing Commander, FreeSpace 2, etc. CCP - What are you going to do to make a Commitment To Quality in your patches going forward?
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.09.03 03:37:00 - [34] For me, it's the fact that CCP is obviously jerking it's customers around. For instance: Asking for player help identifying bugs then patching the game with those same bugs that have been reported repeatedly. Developing content that excludes a majority of the playerbase such as the NeX with it's insane prices. It's not even that I care to play dress up. It's the fact that, even though I could, at those prices I'm not stupid enough to do so. Other players absolutely cannot. I mean, WTF? CCP could have had it both ways, exclusive NeX content and inclusive NeX content. The only hate that would come from that is it all looks like crap anyway. Saying that they care about their customers and then doing the above. Turning 18mos, which was a slap in the face, into 60mos to role out changes to null as if everyone playing doesn't realize that 5 years in the gaming industry is like saying "never" even though Eve is an 8yr MMO. The belittling smack talk, the doublespeak, etc. Lectures on $1,000 pants. Leaked emails stating in no uncertain terms, "We don't give a fu**". Add all the other failures, lies and deceit CCP racks up and it weighs on the customers. The word you guys are looking for isn't hate, fear, misgivings. It's demoralization. CCP is utterly demoralizing it's customers. The uncertainty that CCP's actions/inactions have bred in the community sucks the enthusiasm right out of customers.
Epic DaSoto	Posted - 2011.09.03 04:06:00 - [35] Please leave the game already. You hate CCP - we got it. You think they can't "Communicate" - quit...please. Go populate some "the moonlanding were fake" forums. The fact that you continue to pay money to simply QQ on the forums - is a type of gamestyle that I simply can't comprehend.
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.09.03 04:16:00 - [36] I've noticed a sudden influx of people complaining about all of GD's whining. This is a good thing The whining about whining will stop all whining! Fight fire with fire! Etc!
AnzacPaul the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.09.03 04:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Epic DaSoto Please leave the game already. You hate CCP - we got it. You think they can't "Communicate" - quit...please. Go populate some "the moonlanding were fake" forums. The fact that you continue to pay money to simply QQ on the forums - is a type of gamestyle that I simply can't comprehend. Many of us have 6-12 month subs, hoarded plex etc. There are alot of people hoping that CCP will give just a little and convince them to come back. If for you the game is still perfect. Awesome, more power to you. But there are more and more people saying everyday how quiet space is, and outside of the obvious 0.0 block points and high sec market/mission hubs, the game is empty. For some the release of the nex store, Incarna, removal of simple hanger options, obvious hardware issues (and not just people with low-end, or old cards), lack of communication from ccp, still lack of respect (Emergency summit minutes, return of hanger function, cheaper nex items) from CCP to the very players who have supported them over the years with both money and valuable feedback are now seemingly being ignored in favour of quick money making schemes. It's funny how the CSM/CCP statement after the Iceland visit says the accept that Fearless is just a opinion piece, yet if you read Hilmar's leaked mail, he clearly makes reference to the newsletter as being a way of getting a point across. They are outright bull****ting everyone and those who are still enjoying the game and not being bothered by this good on you. Im spending my remaining game time ratting in 0.0 getting my sec status up. you can see quite clearly from my killboard here I've had 1 kill since Incarna hit. My "immersion" has been broken. http://bl3h-united.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=3313 As I said if things are cherry for you, sweet. But not everyone likes the taste of chilli, or fish sauce, and are just waiting for CCP to remove a bit of the fire before we recommit to the game. ______
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.09.03 04:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Epic DaSoto You hate CCP I hate CCP but I LIKE the game I also love the tears of ppl who snuffle and cry "get out if you dont like it" an have temper tanrtums like you did lol
Zey Nadar Gallente Unknown Soldiers	Posted - 2011.09.03 05:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Mr Kidd For me, it's the fact that CCP is obviously jerking it's customers around. For instance: Asking for player help identifying bugs then patching the game with those same bugs that have been reported repeatedly. Developing content that excludes a majority of the playerbase such as the NeX with it's insane prices. It's not even that I care to play dress up. It's the fact that, even though I could, at those prices I'm not stupid enough to do so. Other players absolutely cannot. I mean, WTF? CCP could have had it both ways, exclusive NeX content and inclusive NeX content. The only hate that would come from that is it all looks like crap anyway. Saying that they care about their customers and then doing the above. Turning 18mos, which was a slap in the face, into 60mos to role out changes to null as if everyone playing doesn't realize that 5 years in the gaming industry is like saying "never" even though Eve is an 8yr MMO. The belittling smack talk, the doublespeak, etc. Lectures on $1,000 pants. Leaked emails stating in no uncertain terms, "We don't give a fu**". Add all the other failures, lies and deceit CCP racks up and it weighs on the customers. The word you guys are looking for isn't hate, fear, misgivings. It's demoralization. CCP is utterly demoralizing it's customers. The uncertainty that CCP's actions/inactions have bred in the community sucks the enthusiasm right out of customers. Excellent post. And for the ones complaining that complainers should leave the game, I have noticed recently that the numbers of people online have gone down considerably. Maybe its the fact that incarna 1.0.1 patch was bugged to hell, maybe not. There is always hate on MMOG's forums, but I feel that in this case, lots of it is justified. CCP has for a while now continually done patches that I don't agree with, nerfed stuff I care about, ignored my bugreports and left those problems in the game, released patches with little to no quality control, made dev posts that reek of disrespect toward players.. Oh and I get the feeling all the manpower is in developing world of darkness or other projects..
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.09.03 05:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Covert Kitty Edited by: Covert Kitty on 02/09/2011 20:03:19 Most of it is deserved. It's proper to be fairly p\|ssed off when CCP's priority seems to be spending huge amounts of time developing features that add no gameplay and are designed solely to extract more money from the community. This, in a game that is quite frankly, very unpolished, and has a huge laundry list of things that need to be improved on. So yes, people are p\|ssed when yet another expansion goes by where the fundamentals of the game are ignored for MT cosmetic BS. this Eve online next expansion details
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.09.03 06:24:00 - [41] The pot is simmering at the moment and ready to boil again quickly. I think the next eruption will be the winter expansion. That's just based on their content light blogs and then comparing that to their performance in the last 2 years. Anyone that thinks 0.0 will be better after their changes is I'm afraid wrong. (recent anomaly nerf gives you a glimpse where they are going). Anyone that thinks nerfing high sec will fix things is wrong as well.
Real Poison Minmatar Stormlord Battleforce Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.09.03 07:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Denidil Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai There is no way to "joytick fly" a ship in a MMO. not from a programming stand point... problem with actually having to rely on flight skill in an MMO is some of us would **** everyone else. plus joystick control is only really appropriate for fighters ala Wing Commander, FreeSpace 2, etc. I'd guess that even a professional and high skilled USAF pilot with a high-end Flight-Sim joystick would most likely be pwned by the next console kid that plugged in his XBOX 360 controller.
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.09.03 07:32:00 - [43] I propose the opening of a new "The sky is falling" section. All whine threads are automatically moved there by a bot which searches for key words such as "unsub", "dying" and "ccp alt detected".
Trolls Troll	Posted - 2011.09.03 07:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet I propose the opening of a new "The sky is falling" section. All whine posts (like this one) are automatically moved there by a bot which searches for key words such as "troll", "ccpfanboi" and "definite ccp alt". FYP
Thornat	Posted - 2011.09.03 08:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Meryl SinGarda People are afraid of change. So when something like EVE changes as much as it has, and continues to do so, you are witness to an explosion of people that don't "get it." Under normal circumstance I would completetly agree with you. If there is one thing CCP has always done is push the game forward in new directions, leaving a healthy chunk of nay sayers behind without looking back. This has and is one of the most positive aspects of CCP and their handling of Eve. You can't please everyone, nore should you try, what you need to do is follow your vision. The problem right now is that "healthy chunk" is no longer a small vocal minority. The number of people that have stopped logging in is very noticable in game right now. Last night when I logged in at about 9pm Stockholm time (prime time Europe), there was less than 25k people on. I haven't seen numbers that low on a Friday night in about 4 years. I also noticed that in the last week I haven't been on once when the numbers where above 32k which three months ago I would have said the oppossite, aka I had never seen the numbers dip below 32k. So the impact is no longer a small vocal minority being outraged on the forum. There is a major exodus taking place in Eve and to be honest I wouldn't have believed it was possible, in fact somone tried to convince me of that a month ago and I more or less laughed in their face. But without looking at numbers I can see with my own eyes that their is a significant drop in the amount of people playing Eve right now, lower than I have seen it in about 4 years.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.09.03 08:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Meryl SinGarda People are afraid of change. So when something like EVE changes as much as it has, and continues to do so, you are witness to an explosion of people that don't "get it." Actually you're part of the group that don't get it. I and many others are happy with change. We've seen change come for many years, but with one difference, choice. CCP's biggest selling point is that we are in a sandbox and no other game is like this one. This is true. But they just removed my spade, gave me a fork and told me it's better. Now I like the idea of having a fork, but would also like to have kept the spade. Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Iceni	Posted - 2011.09.03 10:35:00 - [47] Once upon a time, CCP loved EVE and was devoted to her. As time went by, their relationship flourished and, whilst they had their fiesty moments, both were happy. After a few years went by, CCP got bored with EVE and her constant nagging, so decided to find a new love. Now CCP has fasllen in love with DUST, and spends most of his time and money on her. But CCP is still married to EVE, because he needs the money that she brings in to the household so that DUST can be wooed. So EVE feels trapped, the unloved partner, wondering what happened to the wonderful relationship that they once had.
Richard Hammond II	Posted - 2011.09.03 10:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Zey Nadar Originally by: Mr Kidd For me, it's the fact that CCP is obviously jerking it's customers around. For instance: Asking for player help identifying bugs then patching the game with those same bugs that have been reported repeatedly. Developing content that excludes a majority of the playerbase such as the NeX with it's insane prices. It's not even that I care to play dress up. It's the fact that, even though I could, at those prices I'm not stupid enough to do so. Other players absolutely cannot. I mean, WTF? CCP could have had it both ways, exclusive NeX content and inclusive NeX content. The only hate that would come from that is it all looks like crap anyway. Saying that they care about their customers and then doing the above. Turning 18mos, which was a slap in the face, into 60mos to role out changes to null as if everyone playing doesn't realize that 5 years in the gaming industry is like saying "never" even though Eve is an 8yr MMO. The belittling smack talk, the doublespeak, etc. Lectures on $1,000 pants. Leaked emails stating in no uncertain terms, "We don't give a fu**". Add all the other failures, lies and deceit CCP racks up and it weighs on the customers. The word you guys are looking for isn't hate, fear, misgivings. It's demoralization. CCP is utterly demoralizing it's customers. The uncertainty that CCP's actions/inactions have bred in the community sucks the enthusiasm right out of customers. Excellent post. And for the ones complaining that complainers should leave the game, I have noticed recently that the numbers of people online have gone down considerably. Yes, telling ppl "if you dont like it, dont let the door hits ya where the good lord split ya" Is counterproductive in a game that survives BASED ON SUBS --------- Fear the Hamster Long live Top Gear
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.09.03 10:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Denidil Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai There is no way to "joytick fly" a ship in a MMO. not from a programming stand point... problem with actually having to rely on flight skill in an MMO is some of us would **** everyone else. plus joystick control is only really appropriate for fighters ala Wing Commander, FreeSpace 2, etc. One word: Ping. You can have a MO with joystick for, say, 32-64 players, but that's not a MMO. And certainly not a MMO with 1,500 players in a grid. -- I should had never left X3: Reunion...
Richard Hammond II	Posted - 2011.09.03 10:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Real Poison Originally by: Denidil Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai There is no way to "joytick fly" a ship in a MMO. not from a programming stand point... problem with actually having to rely on flight skill in an MMO is some of us would **** everyone else. plus joystick control is only really appropriate for fighters ala Wing Commander, FreeSpace 2, etc. I'd guess that even a professional and high skilled USAF pilot with a high-end Flight-Sim joystick would most likely be pwned by the next console kid that plugged in his XBOX 360 controller. and Black Prophesy as I do believe it has joystick capability --------- Fear the Hamster Long live Top Gear
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.09.03 11:35:00 - [51] CCP's customers are ****ed off. From leaked internal discussions, it's apparent that management thinks only a tiny minority rage on forums while the silent majority are happy beavers playing the game and buying monocles. This is a mistake. The reality in business is the other way around, research shows for every customer who complains there are far many more who say nothing but rather just don't come back. CCP has a problem here, they have a lobby full of angry customers and they try to pretend it doesn't matter. Bottom line.. if the players are mad as hell, CCP is doing something wrong.. we're supposed to be happy, that's what we're paying CCP for right? For a good time?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.09.03 11:38:00 - [52] Logged in to get the ad for the 'EVE Survival Pack'. Found it ironic that the 70 bucks for the pack aren't really for my survival but for EVE's. --------
Ethan Bejorn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.09.03 11:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Iceni Once upon a time, CCP loved EVE and was devoted to her. As time went by, their relationship flourished and, whilst they had their fiesty moments, both were happy. After a few years went by, CCP got bored with EVE and her constant nagging, so decided to find a new love. Now CCP has fasllen in love with DUST, and spends most of his time and money on her. But CCP is still married to EVE, because he needs the money that she brings in to the household so that DUST can be wooed. So EVE feels trapped, the unloved partner, wondering what happened to the wonderful relationship that they once had. Too true. And therefore my rage.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.09.03 11:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Abrazzar Logged in to get the ad for the 'EVE Survival Pack'. Found it ironic that the 70 bucks for the pack aren't really for my survival but for EVE's. So it's the first truthful commercial ever! That's the CCP innovation at work. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Trixie Stardust	Posted - 2011.09.03 11:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Abrazzar Logged in to get the ad for the 'EVE Survival Pack'. Found it ironic that the 70 bucks for the pack aren't really for my survival but for EVE's. I just posted about the "be a winner at industry for $199.99" ad.. what's this survival pack you're talking about?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.09.03 11:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Trixie Stardust Originally by: Abrazzar Logged in to get the ad for the 'EVE Survival Pack'. Found it ironic that the 70 bucks for the pack aren't really for my survival but for EVE's. I just posted about the "be a winner at industry for $199.99" ad.. what's this survival pack you're talking about? ISK guide, maps and some other guides. Just glanced at it before x'ing it. --------
Holy One SniggWaffe	Posted - 2011.09.03 12:01:00 - [57] Edited by: Holy One on 03/09/2011 12:01:16 I think a lot of people left or just returned to playing the game not the forum .. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.09.03 12:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Holy One Edited by: Holy One on 03/09/2011 12:01:16 I think a lot of people left or just returned to playing the game not the forum .. Yes cause all those ppl not on the forum are gonna negatively impact the log in stats for the game ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.09.03 12:48:00 - [59] Originally by: Trolls Troll Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet I propose the opening of a new "The sky is falling" section. All whine posts (like this one) are automatically moved there by a bot which searches for key words such as "troll", "ccpfanboi" and "definite ccp alt". FYP Someone who's name is "Trolls Troll" hardly has the right to label others as trolls. Besides, I'm the type of poster who only trolls half the time. It keeps people on their feet.
Harbinger Kyr	Posted - 2011.09.03 14:54:00 - [60] Wow... I just... words... Quoting all of you is too much of a hassle. 1. OP, that is your opinion. Can you provide some relative information as to how you think CCP still maintaining an active playerbase is composed of luck at this point in time? Also... you started this thread... there are easily 3+ threads on the first 2 pages that relate fairly well with this one. I understand you have to put in your bid, but there wasn't much to go off of... you simply provided nothing to work with... 4k character limit. 2. Nothing to say on the X subject, other than the fact that the lack of a real subject to this topic could lead to such a topic being brought up. 3. As for CCP caring or not... You do realize that they are a bussiness, right? It is their job to care, but they have to weight money vs. happiness at all times for us all. The forums you use are in place for them, show some respect, even if you feel like you are getting ths shaft. They try. 4. Someone mentioned here also that they pay to be happy. No... you pay to play the game. difference. As everyone else says, if you don't like it, just don't play it, but usually the explanation is left out... the explanation is as simple as I've already stated. Because you pay to play the game, that is the only this CCP has to technically worry about for that month (to clarify, your game has to be playable (everything works on CCP's end)). CCP doesn't exactly HAVE to do anything. They choose to try to keep the playerbase happy because it benefits them. So they slipped up in some people's opinions... doesn't matter if they still play, but CCP can't be held responsible for an untimely failure to release game content that you dislike. They promise to release content, content gets released. You keep playing, good. you don't, that's the risk CCP takes. Apologies if there are any incorrect statements in the above, This is what I interpret, not entirely what would or would not be part of CCP's mission statement or anything along the lines of such. 5. Do people read devblogs? 6. 4. 7. 4. 8. people are stupid... complaining won't get you anywhere,... drop subs if you're that frustrated. If you keep playing, or keep running on your "excess of plex," the stats don't show up as poorly to ccp, thus they would find that what they are doing isn't so bad, assuming minimal losses. 9. In a post(will edit for link when I find it), CCP noted that, since the expansion started, they had to finish that expansion. Two thoughts come from this. One: They are aware enough that a portion of players hate this expansion that they might make a comeback in the next expansion (if not, whatever... CCP would be risking the playerbase currently, for a larger one. part of the gaming industry). Two: They are commited to their promise. 2 expansions per year. They seemingly don't want to halfass it (subject to opinion), even if the playerbase wants something else entirely. Am I done yet? I enjoyed Mag's post about the selling point and spade-fork. Sorry, I'm typing as I read... Richard Hammond II... you do know that the game surviving on subs will have to adapt to a loss of subs. thus causing subs to go back up (unless they fail to adapt). Telling people to unsub can be both productive and counterproductive. In a sense, the only thing people are failing to do is unsub after complaining. then they can resub when the game fits their liking. the counter to this is that if the player wants to be playing the game in the future, they have to stay subbed to train skills. I don't see a work around... they will just have to man up and risk 1-6 months of game time/sp gains :P I feel like half of what I said was ******ed... by all means, rip me apart, I do enjoy a good thrashing to keep me in check. I haven't slept in a long while... so I expect I was not the most coherent being P.S. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean 1+ people won't replace you if that something comes to pass.
Richard Hammond II	Posted - 2011.09.03 15:15:00 - [61] Originally by: Harbinger Kyr Richard Hammond II... you do know that the game surviving on subs will have to adapt to a loss of subs. thus causing subs to go back up (unless they fail to adapt). Telling people to unsub can be both productive and counterproductive. In a sense, the only thing people are failing to do is unsub after complaining. then they can resub when the game fits their liking. the counter to this is that if the player wants to be playing the game in the future, they have to stay subbed to train skills. I don't see a work around... they will just have to man up and risk 1-6 months of game time/sp gains :P or theres enough of a drop they either kill the game to focus on vampire barbies OR let EVE stagnate and only use it for alpha testing vampire barbie tech while they "stay the course" --------- Fear the Hamster Long live Top Gear
Tuggboat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.09.03 15:32:00 - [62] Edited by: Tuggboat on 03/09/2011 15:36:19 Im actually pretty hopeful for the winter expansion. I noticed a cycle in all products developed on Microsoft platforms similar to ours. If nothing else, I've developed a faith in the cycle. It takes time. It looks like we are steering toward the mach larger social app customer base instead of the MMO base. This could be quite fun for us. Have you seen the numbers on the social sites? Imagine hundreds of thousands of noobs from farmville attacking null sec alliances in ignorance. Incursion like teams of strangers gathered at the bookstore on their ipads looking for ratters and such. Defending ourselves from invading hoards of Rifters. Thousands of them:) Us against them instead of each other. Bitter vets squashing noobs like farmville cow dung.
Harbinger Kyr	Posted - 2011.09.03 15:35:00 - [63] I have to ask... Why uMad? cuz... you sound mad. Because disgruntled people really unsub when told to. Because droping eve entirely would be a good decision in any way shape or form? yea, no. dropping eve would be cataclysmic to CCP. It would be like blizzard dropping WoW just because they lost huge chunks (reports of over 1/3 playerbase) of subs. because the people who have invested time into the game would be too disgruntled at the drop of the game to ever try any other products from the same company. why would we want eve to stagnate with the people complaining? seriously... why refrain from asking them to just not play, they are likely already contributing enough by complaining on the forums. some idiots are bound to just follow like sheep. I've seen it IRL... people generally don't think for themselves... induce an idea that seems well placed, and people will follow, no matter how bad the idea. bottom line, CCP can't drop eve. Also note... they are attempting to integrate their "vampire barbies" into eve. if they drop eve, they drop ... i hate calling them vampire barbies... sounds... iffy... PS - have you ever cooked food? yes, let Eve stagnate... in the poor setting of people *****ing about every little detail of a game that they don't like. instead of telling them the truth... the game is not for them if they can't understand what the base idea of eve is all about.
Epic DaSoto	Posted - 2011.09.03 15:51:00 - [64] Originally by: Real Poison Originally by: Denidil Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai There is no way to "joytick fly" a ship in a MMO. not from a programming stand point... problem with actually having to rely on flight skill in an MMO is some of us would **** everyone else. plus joystick control is only really appropriate for fighters ala Wing Commander, FreeSpace 2, etc. I'd guess that even a professional and high skilled USAF pilot with a high-end Flight-Sim joystick would most likely be pwned by the next console kid that plugged in his XBOX 360 controller. That's a jet, not a ship. Try to joystick control an aircraft carrier and see how far that gets you.
Uriel Orestes	Posted - 2011.09.03 15:53:00 - [65] Incarnage is basically CCP's NGE. Welcome to teh end of days.
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.09.03 16:06:00 - [66] Edited by: pr0spect on 03/09/2011 16:06:44 It's not like the hate is just here as well. I've noticed on massively.com, anytime they post an article about Eve the comments are just filled with vitriol spewing forth about how CCP has destroyed Eve and disenfranchised their core player base. I really hope they turn it around, at this point they can NOT defend against assessments that what they've done has been a significant (but not ultimate.... yet) failure.
Harbinger Kyr	Posted - 2011.09.03 16:15:00 - [67] Anyone who has worked in guest relations in the past knows... the majority of people who will comment will be the disgruntled populace. Attention *****s imo. I actually haven't heard very much in-game complaining besides myself being a terrible PvP pilot :P

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