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WarChiId
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Posted - 2005.03.06 02:17:00 -
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Large barge on my alt char with 3 strip 1's pulls 3000m3 of crokite. With strip 2's and t1 crokite crystals he pulls 3150m3.
OMGWTFRAPAGE Now that wasnt worth all the training time now was it?
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.03.06 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: WarChiId Large barge on my alt char with 3 strip 1's pulls 3000m3 of crokite. With strip 2's and t1 crokite crystals he pulls 3150m3.
OMGWTFRAPAGE Now that wasnt worth all the training time now was it?
Use t2 crystals.
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Lagartija Nick
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Posted - 2005.03.06 05:29:00 -
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Kind of funny how the peanut gallery has changed it's tune from "wait till strip miner II's come out" to "use tech II crystals"
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Mahq Mur
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Posted - 2005.03.06 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: WarChiId Large barge on my alt char with 3 strip 1's pulls 3000m3 of crokite. With strip 2's and t1 crokite crystals he pulls 3150m3.
OMGWTFRAPAGE Now that wasnt worth all the training time now was it?
You should be able to get 1698m3 per SM2, somehow, i guess your crystal is a used one, and it'll get lesser and lesser output as you use it longer. These crystals are consumable item, so you must replace them through time.
Happy minnig.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.03.06 09:37:00 -
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1698 per strip miner 2 compared to 970 for strip miner 1's?
yay, i've just arrived at my deep space POS, gonna go test that now
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.03.06 10:54:00 -
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Hope you weren't too disappointed :/.
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Xylence
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Posted - 2005.03.06 11:29:00 -
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umm yah ... its not worth 40m a peice , thats for sure ....
Standard MSM II = 360 base x 1.75 ( standard t2 crystal mod side of meroxit if my memory serves ) = 630 base , .. + Mining 5 , Ast geo 5 , barge 5 = 1132/cycle, totalling 3396 per cycle. A bit of an improvement however who in thier right mind would hit crokite in lawless space in a barge with 120mil in miners on it ...
Guess if you had the area secure with some tanking op sec, would be ok ..
Xylence
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Dantes Darkheart
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Posted - 2005.03.06 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lagartija Nick Kind of funny how the peanut gallery has changed it's tune from "wait till strip miner II's come out" to "use tech II crystals"
Aye, it is funny. Especially since I was one of them when the SM1 came out and I looked at the stats on the SM2 and mining crystals and because the way CCP wrote up the attributes on the SM2, ALOT of us thought that it was 360m3+(360m3*crystal bonus) when using a crystal. Then we found out that it was just 360m3*crystal bonus, looked at the skill requirements and said "WTF??". I'm really beginning to hate the concept of T2. For some things, the concept works but others such as SM2 and T2 mining crystals is so pointless I want to pull my hair out.
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Hermia
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Posted - 2005.03.06 20:02:00 -
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glad i didnt train for that, that was close
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Menthal
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Posted - 2005.03.07 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Menthal on 07/03/2005 01:14:06 i'm studying it now, i don't consider it a waste of time as i got 100% refining yield thanks to the requirements for the crystals. Only astro and barge lvl 5 are what i find a bit too much. But for me every small increase in ore yield'll be worth it in the long run ^^ pretty yellow beams |
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Chucky
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Posted - 2005.03.09 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: pshepherd 1698 per strip miner 2 compared to 970 for strip miner 1's?
yay, i've just arrived at my deep space POS, gonna go test that now
Well, can u confirm what you get?
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.03.10 01:01:00 -
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I wonder where people get their numbers from...
stated in many older posts already, the numbers are much LOWER.
again, calculated and confirmed yield of a deep core miner2: base x mining skill x astrogeology skill x mining crystal bonus
without xtal and with maxxed out skill this gives: 120 x 1.25 x 1.25 = 187.5 - go check yourself
with tech1 xtal it is: 120 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.62 = 303.75 - my miner says exactly the same when i do "show info"
which simply means, the formula is correct...
so as the base formula for strip miners is: base x mining x astrogeology x barge level, which is: 540 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 = 970.3125, which then means this formula is also correct as that is what you get from it.
combine them and you get: 360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.62 = 1047.xx for tech1, and 360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.75 = 1132.xx for tech2
anyway, all calculations and confirmations in the game showed the same result: mdcm2+tech1 = 8% more yield than a miner2 over time mdcm2+tech2 = 16% more yield than a miner2 over time
strip2+tech1 = 8% more yield than a strip 1 over time strip2+tech2 = 16% more yield than a strip 1 over time
and both miners without any xtal only give you 66% of the yield of the comparable tech1 miners.
I have no idea where people get the other numbers from as this is based on a rather simple formula and can be confirmed ingame, too.
of course you get minor rounding errors as not all mining cycles give exactly the same amount of ore... it varies by a few m3 occasionally, but the amount is too small to be really noticable over a longer period.
Regards... ...he who spends too much time with his calculator...
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.03.10 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mining Maxx I wonder where people get their numbers from...
stated in many older posts already, the numbers are much LOWER.
again, calculated and confirmed yield of a deep core miner2: base x mining skill x astrogeology skill x mining crystal bonus
without xtal and with maxxed out skill this gives: 120 x 1.25 x 1.25 = 187.5 - go check yourself
with tech1 xtal it is: 120 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.62 = 303.75 - my miner says exactly the same when i do "show info"
which simply means, the formula is correct...
so as the base formula for strip miners is: base x mining x astrogeology x barge level, which is: 540 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 = 970.3125, which then means this formula is also correct as that is what you get from it.
combine them and you get: 360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.62 = 1047.xx for tech1, and 360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.75 = 1132.xx for tech2
anyway, all calculations and confirmations in the game showed the same result: mdcm2+tech1 = 8% more yield than a miner2 over time mdcm2+tech2 = 16% more yield than a miner2 over time
strip2+tech1 = 8% more yield than a strip 1 over time strip2+tech2 = 16% more yield than a strip 1 over time
and both miners without any xtal only give you 66% of the yield of the comparable tech1 miners.
I have no idea where people get the other numbers from as this is based on a rather simple formula and can be confirmed ingame, too.
of course you get minor rounding errors as not all mining cycles give exactly the same amount of ore... it varies by a few m3 occasionally, but the amount is too small to be really noticable over a longer period.
Regards... ...he who spends too much time with his calculator...
So what you are saying is that people wasted their time training the barge skill to 5 to get 3 strip miners running, when instead they could have just bolted on 8 deep core miner 2s onto an amarr battleship and done the same thing, but better?
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Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2005.03.10 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mari Y''Tuk on 10/03/2005 11:23:15 SMI + max skills = 970.31 x2 = 2910.93 (Large Barge) MSMII + max skills & t2 cyrtsal = 1132.xx x3 = 3396 (Large Barge) (16.6% extra over above) M2 + max skills = 93.75 x3 = 281.xx x8 = 2250 (Apoc) MDCMII + max skills & t2 cyrtsal = 328.xx x8 = 2625 (Apoc) (16.6% extra over above)
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Y'Tuk Edited by: Mari Y''Tuk on 10/03/2005 11:23:15 SMI + max skills = 970.31 x2 = 2910.93 (Large Barge) MSMII + max skills & t2 cyrtsal = 1132.xx x3 = 3396 (Large Barge) (16.6% extra over above) M2 + max skills = 93.75 x3 = 281.xx x8 = 2250 (Apoc) MDCMII + max skills & t2 cyrtsal = 328.xx x8 = 2625 (Apoc) (16.6% extra over above)
2625m¦ for 80million or 3396m3 for 120million. Also consider ship endurance and Mercoxit..... The ore that reall miners will be mining. --------------------------
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:13:00 -
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Yeah i bought my mod strip miner II's a while back, used them for about a 3-4 hour jaspet op then sold them to someone for twice what i paid, while saying "sucker" under my breath. Then went back to lvl 4 missions.
If ccp increases yeild of the lasers then i might do more mining, until then i have a date with some guristas usurpers.
oh one thing that bugs me though is that raw a miner I does 40 ore units, and a miner II does 60. that was a nice increase when miner II's came out. It pains me to see that with t2 crystals in a msmII can only get 16% over a strip miner I, i mean really...
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Phades on 10/03/2005 23:32:37
Originally by: Harisdrop
Originally by: Mari Y'Tuk Edited by: Mari Y''Tuk on 10/03/2005 11:23:15 SMI + max skills = 970.31 x2 = 2910.93 (Large Barge) MSMII + max skills & t2 cyrtsal = 1132.xx x3 = 3396 (Large Barge) (16.6% extra over above) M2 + max skills = 93.75 x3 = 281.xx x8 = 2250 (Apoc) MDCMII + max skills & t2 cyrtsal = 328.xx x8 = 2625 (Apoc) (16.6% extra over above)
2625m¦ for 80million or 3396m3 for 120million. Also consider ship endurance and Mercoxit..... The ore that reall miners will be mining.
In addition to about a month of training and a different ship.
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Namarus
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Posted - 2005.03.13 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mining Maxx I wonder where people get their numbers from...
stated in many older posts already, the numbers are much LOWER.
again, calculated and confirmed yield of a deep core miner2: base x mining skill x astrogeology skill x mining crystal bonus
without xtal and with maxxed out skill this gives: 120 x 1.25 x 1.25 = 187.5 - go check yourself
with tech1 xtal it is: 120 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.62 = 303.75 - my miner says exactly the same when i do "show info"
which simply means, the formula is correct...
so as the base formula for strip miners is: base x mining x astrogeology x barge level, which is: 540 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 = 970.3125, which then means this formula is also correct as that is what you get from it.
combine them and you get: 360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.62 = 1047.xx for tech1, and 360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.75 = 1132.xx for tech2
anyway, all calculations and confirmations in the game showed the same result: mdcm2+tech1 = 8% more yield than a miner2 over time mdcm2+tech2 = 16% more yield than a miner2 over time
strip2+tech1 = 8% more yield than a strip 1 over time strip2+tech2 = 16% more yield than a strip 1 over time
and both miners without any xtal only give you 66% of the yield of the comparable tech1 miners.
I have no idea where people get the other numbers from as this is based on a rather simple formula and can be confirmed ingame, too.
of course you get minor rounding errors as not all mining cycles give exactly the same amount of ore... it varies by a few m3 occasionally, but the amount is too small to be really noticable over a longer period.
Regards... ...he who spends too much time with his calculator...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but currently all those modulated mining lasers only mine the crystal amount, and not the base amount stated.
With a mDCM II I mine only 3040 units of veld with a t1 crystal.
The same thing applies to the mStrip miners.
So basically atm your training up a load of refining and reprocessing skills, along with paying obscene amounts of money for SLIGHTLY better mining.
It's no wonder the T@ mining crystal market is down teh toilet. Nothing to see here .... move along. |
David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.03.13 20:07:00 -
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Mining Maxx, remember, not all crystals are the same! The ones that're actually worth getting have a bigger difference. Consider the tech2 Arkonor crystal:
Strip Miner I: (540 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15) / 16 (round down) = 60 units ore/minute on large barge, or a 50% increase over 8miner IIs
Strip Miner II: (360 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.75) / 16 (round down) = 70 units ore/minute on large barge, or 77% increase over 8 miner IIs.
Now, I don't know about you, but 70 units of crokite, bistot, or arkonor a minute doesn't sound all that bad to me. Sure, you'd need someone to tank the spawn - which sucks, since myself and my corp prefer killing whatever comes our way, all the way up to multiple battleship spawns with seraphim - but I calculated that that much bistot+10% is about 54mil ISK/hr. Well that's not so bad, now, is it?
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Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2005.03.13 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Namarus
Sorry to burst your bubble, but currently all those modulated mining lasers only mine the crystal amount, and not the base amount stated.
With a mDCM II I mine only 3040 units of veld with a t1 crystal.
The same thing applies to the mStrip miners.
So basically atm your training up a load of refining and reprocessing skills, along with paying obscene amounts of money for SLIGHTLY better mining.
It's no wonder the T@ mining crystal market is down teh toilet.
You mis-understand, the base amount is the amount mined without a cyrstal and the crystal amount is the amount mined with the FITTED crystal. All the numbers you quoted are 100% correct, which you imply are not.
As for the T2 crystal market, its down the toliet simply because the crystals are bugged and DO NOT BREAK, add in the fact that you can make ~200 a day and the average player needs 2 or 3 of them only (bear in mind that only 7 strip miners can be made per day) means you flood out your own market. if the average player got through 30 a week things would be alot better.
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