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Ryu Dubos
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Posted - 2005.03.09 10:47:00 -
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i have now been pirating for about a month, i was completely new to it then and am still enjoying the "heart beating in my throat" feeling of attacking a players ship... but i've been annoying people.... i know it, i get hate mails, hate convo's and just plain abuse sometimes but, my bounty sucks. Now i dont know others opinions on this, but i like my bounty.... its a mark of how well i am doing what i do, so is this why people dont put them on? or is it just that i am annoying the wrong people? do other pirates like having bounties here or am i just a freak? opinions plz :)
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.09 10:53:00 -
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Too easy for pods to get away and the bounty only gets paid on a podding.
Hence, most people don't even bother placing a bounty any more... -- ** All accounts cancelled - have fun guys ** |
Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.03.09 11:09:00 -
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I currently have 15k bounty. 10k was put there by a friend back before I joined CA, and 5k was put there when I wasn't even a pirate (when I was in FU).
I've gotten like 5 hatemails in my whole EVE career (and one of them was a joke), others seem to be getting them all the time.
Having a bounty would be nice, but it's difficult to get one. I suppose ppl aren't very likely to put bounties on their enemy when it's so easy to claim the bounty for yourself.
I suppose it would be easier to get a bounty if there was a way to tell what implants someone had, for example by an agent doing some hacking for you. That way you could make sure that you didn't add more to the bounty than the value of their implants.
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Marconious
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Posted - 2005.03.09 11:33:00 -
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Ryu me old mate
1. wheres my sig still waiting for it
2. You will have a bigger bounty after DT
u's a nasty nasty evil pirate person.. Bad Bad man
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Ryu Dubos
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Posted - 2005.03.09 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Marconious Ryu me old mate
1. wheres my sig still waiting for it
2. You will have a bigger bounty after DT
u's a nasty nasty evil pirate person.. Bad Bad man
k...
1. Working on everyones as we speak
2. i like my bounty as it is, tho i wish there was a way to tell who gave it to me...
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.03.09 11:56:00 -
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LOL Ryu, get a bounty so i can wup yeh ass and claim it :) ----------
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.03.09 12:25:00 -
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Ryu time for you to rejoin us i think
as for bounties ccp needs to work out a system so that pirates mates cant claim them and split it. I`m still waiting on my first hate mail :) but then i`m not half as bad as ryu
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.03.09 12:39:00 -
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Fact is very few peoples bounties are genuine. I would suggest most of the people on the "most wanted" list are all fake.
Sad but true, of course they will all deny this
We are cursed men
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Ryu Dubos
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Posted - 2005.03.09 12:41:00 -
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Jeebus, i make a small post and half of shadow squad jump on my ass O.o
anyways, u guys like having bounties or not?
i agree with the splitting it with mates thang, but like i said, i like my bounty, and unless it ever hit the billions i dont see the point for a few measly mil.
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Ryu Dubos
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Posted - 2005.03.09 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Baconjoe Fact is very few peoples bounties are genuine. I would suggest most of the people on the "most wanted" list are all fake.
Sad but true, of course they will all deny this
as in they put the bounties on themselves? i can see why... kinda makes you look ebil.... but then if anyone ever did get the better of me i sure as hell aint gonna pay them a bs in isk for the privilige....
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Wokka
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Posted - 2005.03.09 12:58:00 -
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kal u got to stop using marma's bio make your own up, i think a bounty is a great idea it shows how good a pirate u realy are
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Wokka
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Posted - 2005.03.09 13:01:00 -
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also just wanna say kick some xetic ass i know u been doing that allready so keep up the good work shadow squadron
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Scerenity
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Posted - 2005.03.09 13:40:00 -
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Basically I think it's because; if you're going to get podded, people will do it whether you have a bounty or not .
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Daiken
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Posted - 2005.03.09 14:44:00 -
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Most of all people with high bountys put it on their head themself...
Like this crafter guy with 1.000.000.000 isk? Never been in a pirate corp...
Or so many people I know who got killed with 20 mio bounty.. 1 day later they have it again... exaclty 20 mio... weird..
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Vicarrah
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Posted - 2005.03.09 16:21:00 -
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Daiken, thats wierd..... I've had the same problem, waaaay back when, someone gave me a 5k (yes... 5 lousy k) bounty.
I got podded by pyr8 a while back, and lo and behold... the damn 5k bounty was back the next time I looked at it. I just wish we could find out who placed a bounty.. that'd stop all the lamers who place bounty on their own heads.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.03.09 16:42:00 -
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The system was really designed for the carebears, they just neglect to use it.
They get ganked, they should use their 6 hours a day of mining to cover a bounty to get revenge and possibly their stuff back. Instead, they come to the forums and scream "griefer" and petition CCP into oblivion trying to get pirate accounts deleted.
They should use a matching system, like a 401k, on the bounties. 25mil to pod Tank CEO isn't gonna cut it for the 300mil in ships and equipment I'd have to risk in the attempt. If a player put in 25mil and the game added another 25mil for a total of 50, you'd see the bounty system used a bit more. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
M'Ar Duk
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Posted - 2005.03.09 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove The system was really designed for the carebears, they just neglect to use it.
They get ganked, they should use their 6 hours a day of mining to cover a bounty to get revenge and possibly their stuff back. Instead, they come to the forums and scream "griefer" and petition CCP into oblivion trying to get pirate accounts deleted.
They should use a matching system, like a 401k, on the bounties. 25mil to pod Tank CEO isn't gonna cut it for the 300mil in ships and equipment I'd have to risk in the attempt. If a player put in 25mil and the game added another 25mil for a total of 50, you'd see the bounty system used a bit more.
The problem is that if a high-bounty pirate has no implants, then there's no reason why he shouldn't let a fellow corpmate or an alt in a n00b corp pod him and collect, is there? Provided, ofc, that the bounty exceeds clone-vat fees.
So the matching system ultimately would be easily exploited to provide double the money to said ebil p1e-rat, would it not?
imo don't waste your money and time putting bounties on pirates, waste your money and time shooting at them.
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AlphA13
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Posted - 2005.03.09 17:50:00 -
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some ppl are proud on their bounty and won¦t selfpod , well when I had no imps , I had like 1271637 on my head .. there is no no reason to pod urself for that it¦s more like a tag u collect by the time u play..
anyway u r right in these days none will bounty u unless u corp thieve ( well they¦ll hire prolly mercs and don¦t even bother to bounty u)
it¦s would be cooler if u get for every pvp kill like 5k on ur head , then we would see more bounty and more fun .. imho In two days tomorrow will be yesterday |
Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2005.03.09 18:09:00 -
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You just have to annoy that 1 special customer, most dont bother placing bounty's, however if you just mnaged to toast some miner/producer in his expensive hauler kitted with expensive gear, carrying all his worldly goods then manage to also pod him with his rack of implants, that tends to annoy some.
Having a large bounty might look good, but if your a full on pirate its an annoying temptation for other players to want you dead and collect it, if anything it makes some pirates paranoid, i know i dispise the bounty on me, id prefer to be mr incognito.
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Hygelac
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Posted - 2005.03.09 18:12:00 -
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The main reason is that bounties just don't work. A carebear isn't going to put 100m ISK on someone's head when that someone just needs to use an alt to pod him to get the ISK. It's like paying the pirate.
The bounty system needs a serious reform. Seeing a list of people who contributed towards the bounty would be a nice start, but the key issue is making sure that the isk never finds it's way back to the person whose head it rested upon. That's the tricky thing, I doubt it's possible to flag ISK as coming from a specific source, which is what you'd need to do.
One idea would be to make the fee payable on approval from the guy who placed the bounty. I.e. you have to bring a corpse of the ebil pirate to every person who placed the bounty to claim the reward. That would help weed out some of the problems, but not many at all.
A different idea would be to make bounty actually have some sort of in game effect, such as enabling licensed bounty hunters to attack you in 0.5, 0.6 -> 1.0 depending upon the size of the bounty placed. The region authority could take a % of the fee for turning a blind eye to someone being podded in 'secure' space, after all ... the man was a criminal right?
In fact, why not make sec status useful, only people with positive CONCORD standings can register as bounty hunters? Right now there is no advantage to raising your sec status, well none that I can see.
Hell if having a 200m bounty on my head meant that bounty hunters could attack me in 1.0 space when I was least expecting it, I seriously doubt I'd put any money on my head!
Might also start up a 'proper' bounty hunting proffession.
Tbh I've heard loads of great ideas about bounties but what with the EW/Lasers/Missiles/T2 Ammo/T2 Indys/Dreadnaughts/Jumpdrives I suspect that this will remain as always, rock bottom of the list.
Hmm sorry, went off on one there :D
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Judas Jones
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Posted - 2005.03.09 19:08:00 -
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Actually, I put a couple of mil on a pirate's head that destroyed my hauler whilst he was in his Battle Cruiser, Must ofput at least 3-4 mil on. 2 weeks later, me and a corp mate arranged a little party for said pirate, so, in exchange I lost a hauler and he lost a Battle Cruiser but gained a bounty, and you say the system does not work :)Didn't pod him though for the bounty, hell I even gave him back the stuff I got off his 'wreckage', I'll walk with honour even if some walk in ****e.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.03.09 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Masta Killa on 09/03/2005 20:10:24 I just thank god that after the time I went killing enemies (yes celes, -enemies-) in 0.1 - 0.4 space for mean kills and got this bounty I went to stain and npc hunted my ass off
Accuse me all you want (botox? celes? no one else? ) of you know what but I always know the truth.
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Xlander
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Posted - 2005.03.09 22:37:00 -
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I think you must just be annoying the poor players. In a short time my bounty went to over 1.2 Million. And a lot of my corp mates are even higher than that.
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Ryu Dubos
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Posted - 2005.03.09 22:58:00 -
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well i spose comparably my bounty is reasonable then, i'm up to about 6.6mil, i just see loadsa people with much higher bounties around, and for a -9.1 sec pirate who makes at least 3-4 kills a day i'd like to think i was doing a bit better than that.
but hey, life goes on.
i dont think there are any fundamental flaws in the bounty systema apart from the old "getting a mate to pod you" trick. But like i said, for the majority of decent pirate players such as myself, its a mark of our skill, and as such i aint gonna give it up without a decent fight :)
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.03.09 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 09/03/2005 23:24:11 ITs a reward to those who best us...
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.03.09 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ryu Dubos well i spose comparably my bounty is reasonable then, i'm up to about 6.6mil, i just see loadsa people with much higher bounties around, and for a -9.1 sec pirate who makes at least 3-4 kills a day i'd like to think i was doing a bit better than that.
but hey, life goes on.
i dont think there are any fundamental flaws in the bounty systema apart from the old "getting a mate to pod you" trick. But like i said, for the majority of decent pirate players such as myself, its a mark of our skill, and as such i aint gonna give it up without a decent fight :)
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Amicus
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Posted - 2005.03.10 01:28:00 -
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One proposal to jump-start bounties that has been supported by pirates and carebears alike is to limit the amount of the payout on a killed target to the value of the possessions destroyed during the kill (i.e., ship, implants, modules, cargo). That way the target never has any reason to collect his own bounty, because he has to lose as much isk as he gains from collection. Without the potential for bounty fraud, you will see bounties skyrocket. Some of the Devs appeared receptive to reform along this line. See discussions at Bounty Reform - Chapt 3: Solutions and Bounty Reform - Consensus?.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.10 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa Edited by: Masta Killa on 09/03/2005 20:10:24 I just thank god that after the time I went killing enemies (yes celes, -enemies-) in 0.1 - 0.4 space for mean kills and got this bounty I went to stain and npc hunted my ass off
Accuse me all you want (botox? celes? no one else? ) of you know what but I always know the truth.
-edit, spelling
how about i just dispel your lie right away?
Masta Killa's participation
now that shows exactly what you ahve taken part in against celest. 2 entrys are for one 2 on 2 fight in Solar System: SV5-8N, thats no .1-.4 system. second entry is for when your raven got smoked in Keberz, sorry no sec hit there either as we had a empire war then. so who were you shooting in .1-.4 again?, not celes as ive proven otherwise could it have something to do with the threads about you pirating?
if you are going to lie about things then pls lie about something we cannot verify 100% then as your post was just full of lies, again....
have a nice day and dont burst a vein again due to being pwnd both ingame and on the forums....again....
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Ryu Dubos
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Posted - 2005.03.10 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Amicus One proposal to jump-start bounties that has been supported by pirates and carebears alike is to limit the amount of the payout on a killed target to the value of the possessions destroyed during the kill (i.e., ship, implants, modules, cargo). That way the target never has any reason to collect his own bounty, because he has to lose as much isk as he gains from collection. Without the potential for bounty fraud, you will see bounties skyrocket. Some of the Devs appeared receptive to reform along this line. See discussions at Bounty Reform - Chapt 3: Solutions and Bounty Reform - Consensus?.
now thats a damn fine idea, only drawback is if i get taken down in a shuttle with no implants, guy who killed me only gets 5-7k :) (not that he would deserve more doing such a dispicable act).
make it happen game makery people, and quick!
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.03.10 08:33:00 -
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1. bounties are more practical after the uber insane implant price rise 2. you have to find the right person to annoy 3. be evil ... real evil.. and i dont just mean IG stuff like blowing up ships .. i mean lie, cheat .. whatever you want. if your a pirate you play it.(within the rules ofc) 4. luck (or lack of it) Despite what people say *some* people DO add bounties.. the stupidly rich ones etc.. some people may hate you but find there's no other way to get back at you. there are downsides to having a bounty ofc... its basically a big red KILL ME sign .. and a flashing arrow pointing at your ship saying primary target ------------------
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