cruisers getting a 25% velocity buff and mostly a fourth midslot. And you want to armortank them?

blasters on caldari

All the cool kids are doing it.

Question about cap. It looks like average cap per second is just total cap divided by recharge rate. After applying skills it seems that this just makes all the average cap per seconds get to 5 per second.

The question, does the formula that gives you peak recharge around 33% mean that the Maller has a higher peak recharge than the other ships or that all ships in this class have the same peak to?

That sixth high still has issues fitting anything but a small nuet.

STOP trying to put LSE's on everything.

It's funny, then, that the Rupture has more PG than the Moa, despite ACs needing less PG than blasters.

Yep, and it made sense back in 2009 when ACs weren't great, but were so easy to fit that an AC ship made up DPS deficiencies in neuts, mobility etc. Then in 2009ish people complained about ACs without looking at ships as a complete package, CCP hit the power-creep button and we ended up with people genuinely expecting to be able to fit top-tier guns, MWD, dual med neuts and an 1600 plate on a Hurricane or Rupture...

project its damage to a respectable range via drones

I like how instead of making medium rails good, they're simply making all Caldari gunboats blasterboats.

Woo homogeneity

The new Merlin doesn't have the utility high so probably Moa shouldn't either. Another mid would allow for ridiculous shield tank which would be awesome.

Rupture(and Minmatar in general). CCP thinks 40 m/s is not so much. Well yeah... probably... until you multiply it by 6 and then 1.094 on top of the best agility in the class.

Kinda agree on the Maller. It still lacks the soul or purpose.

Rifter? The old AC Punisher was nice too.

Given that the current Moa has the same bonuses as the Rokh doesn't that kind of imply that the bonuses are not the issue so much as other stats and/or issues with medium hybrids (specifically rails) in general? Granted the 25% dmg boost helps medium rails but its not a buff its a tradeoff for range.

Seems to me like the bonuses should have stayed the same but with an extra turret/high slot or a buff to medium rails.

Just look what's happened to faction frigs

and, thanks to that damage bonus there, maybe they'll actually hurt when using railguns, who knows.

@ CCP Fozzie how about a EHP boost to help close the gap a little to bc's?

So are things going to ship as is? Did CCP Fozzie burn himself out?

Hey everyone. I'm still alive, but have been in Austin for GDC for the last week. I spent a lot of time there mulling over the feedback you all have been giving us and I'm working on getting some numbers together at the moment for a 2nd iteration of these changes.

I expect to get it to the CSM later today and then on to you once they have had a chance to provide some feedback and catch any stupid mistakes on my part

This thread has some pretty uniform complaints, I trust Fozzie has read the same complaints a hundred times and is going to do something about it, he seems to be on top of things. We just need to be patient, Winter is still quite abit away.

Uniform complaints or not. The same was done with regard to the Minmatar and TE BOOST. Which I was against and stated as much in those threads back then. Other than myself and 7 other players who were in that thread. Every TERRIBUBBLE pilot ingame who flew Minmatar were on about how they SUCKED. When infact they were just TERRIBUBBLE pilots.


The Moa shouldn't get another mid slot and I've outlined why that's the case. I agreed about the Maller, but alot of that is regarding our current enviroment (meta). The Rupture should be left as is because everything else has multiple ships that outclass a Rupture in a certain engagement range; a Moa is an example of a ship that will outclass the Rupture in warp scrambler range. The other issue is that the attack cruisers are p much on the same level as combat cruisers. While being faster, so for a Thorax not to completely overshadow a Rupture. The Ruptures velocity should be maintained because it's weak in everyarea. It's only advantage is it's velocity and it's a minute one @ that. I doubt I'd be able to keep range against a competent Thorax pilot after these changes as it is. I also know that in a Rupture I would get my face ripped off by the changed Caracal and Omen @ range. Trying to catch them before they do ALOT more significant damage to me than I can to them is going to be an issue.


If the Moa gains another mid slot or not I'll still benifit. I've been a long time Caldari advocate and done so threw pvp and have complete understanding of every caldari ships viablity, in terms of pvp. I also like Minmatar ships (not as much as caldari though), but unlike the sheep. I was flying them when they were considered the worse and wining with them.

I know for a fact Caldari has made it threw all these changes on TOP. Time for Gallente to have it with the Vexor. Every other t1 cruiser will be more than capable of esploding a Rupture. It's time of having a near complete advatange, along with the Vexor, is over. The Vexor is clearly the best and when it comes to nanoing the Thorax is on par with a Rupture, but with a flight of ecm and warheroes.

The Omen and Caracal will become top dog in terms of nanoing. I've almost completely replaced my Hurricane with a Talos and Drake. Sooner or later it will be the same for the Rupture by choosing a Caracal, Omen, Bellicose, Thorax and Vexor over it. I'm p sure I'll be using the Caracal or Bellicose the most. The Moa isn't in there because even if it did get another mid slot. I would choose a Vexor over it. However, in fleets they would become cheap battlecruisers and I would use them as such (only in fleets).

So far I have wanted the Maller to have a full drone bay, the Rupture to have a real role instead of a double DPS bonus and the Moa to actually be an effective Opt bonused Rail Boat, that leaves the Vexor.

Vexor:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
Slot layout: 3 H (-2), 4 M (+1), 6 L (+2), 3 turrets
Fittings: 800 PWG (+125), 300 CPU (+30)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1100(-73) / 2000(+515) / 2000(+515)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1450(+200) / 482.5s(+36.25s) / 3 (+0.2)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 215(+46) / 0.6(+0.03) / 10310000 / 5.8s (+0.3)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 100
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km / 280(+4) / 6(+1)
Sensor strength: 16 Magnetometric (+2)
Signature radius: 145 (-5)
Cargo capacity: 480

Give her guns the Tristan treatment and an extra low for a second DDA. With the turrets losing so much DPS double stacking MFS's and DDA's on a shield tank will be less effective to which is a plus in my book. It would push the Vexor more towards Armor and Drones while making Guns a Secondary weapon like drones are on other ships.

Are you applying that their is absolute equivalence between a ship with a Drone Dmg bonus and room for 2 DDA's and one that has neither?

But yes I think the Tristan will be pretty good as is, although I would like to see 1 high slot dropped for a low and 2 Grid / 20 CPU added.

I have ideas, but no specific release plans attached to them yet.

Well, hate them or love them. but I am pretty sure these are the stats we are going to get Dec 4th. There hasn't been a blue tagged post in the attack or combat cruiser threads for some time. And with their focus now turned towards BC's and BB's they seem satisfied with the changes they have made to these cruisers.

I wonder some what how these ship changes will affect the ecosystem of Eve, of what we see flying around and how it will be used. Which ships will rise in popularity and which ones will now collect dust in hangers and on market shelves. I guess time will tell.

Have people actually given hard tests to some of these on test? I hear tell about how viscous and op the Maller is on EFT, but I also notice it is very slow, TERRIBLY cap inefficient, and does not have enough mid slots to try and make up for it, on that same EFT.

What I am looking for is how this, the Stabber, the Vexor, etc., are performing on test vs other cruisers, frigates, and dessies.

Any feedback available would be appreciated. Between the Maller, and the new Amarr dessie, I am starting to see a trend of Amarr ships that look like they will not be able to play solo or small group overly well without very heavy support (again, looking at it from an outside perspective, as I can not get on to test and get my greedy little fingers into them in person).

~Z

maller with blasters.