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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.03.11 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker Whoever said frigs are an integral part in pvp is wrong...
The game is about focus fire now, you get 5 tempests each on a bs and it insta dies... no need for frigates here...
You can do that in armageddons too... ~~ Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.03.11 06:47:00 -
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Could technically do that in any ship, but it would require more of them.........
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Cerebies
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:26:00 -
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Why should frigs be important in PvP? IMHO, they should be noob ships to get you throw lvl 1 missions and such. I mean, they are far cheaper than any other class of ships.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:34:00 -
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Frigs are good in certain situations. Like small gangs or having two or three in every large blob as scouts.
But in any gang more then 10 people or so, the majority of the players should be in BS's. Who needs to scramble when you can kill something before it warps.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:35:00 -
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Thread necromancy ftl. This is so old that I read it as if 'twere new, until I got to my own reply from one YEAR, ten days, ago. The I went "heyyyy... wait. This is no new thread!" ---:::---
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Cerebies
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:46:00 -
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oh, i didn't realize it was that old, I found it in a search and thought it was only a week or so old.
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gron alt
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:47:00 -
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frigs are only good at tackling?
let me introduce you to mr taranis who does 4k mps, 250 DPS, and near enough insta warps, has a sig so low you got to be stupid to get hit by BS sized guns at ANY RANGE, has such a cap recharge that he can run a webber/mwd/guns/scram constantly. guns do that damage to any size ship.
most versitile ships in game are frigs FFS not to mention you have more choice of frigs than crusiers or bs and that.
if a dev puts up a message ingame saying sytem X there is a unknow ship carrying a T3 bpo, 10 people in your corp. are you telling me that you would not take 10 frigs of various kinds? ofcourse you would since the target might be a frig/cruiser/bs/hauler or a carrier in which case cepters/af are ideal against ANY ONE OF THOSE. frigs atm overpowered, specially the high dmg frigs, no frig should pass 100dps.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker Whoever said frigs are an integral part in pvp is wrong...
The game is about focus fire now, you get 5 tempests each on a bs and it insta dies... no need for frigates here...
Wow, I didn' know that tempests prevented other ships from warping away while they locked them, that must be an amazing new feature for it. Any idiot who isn't aligned and ready to warp in PvP deserves to lose a BS. ---- I <3 Taranis
Cake > Pie - Imaran
Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.03.20 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria Seems wierd that a frigate can web a battleship...shouldn't the mass of the ship have something to do with it?
Actually, I think this question where taken up in Las Vegas with the Devs, from what I could remember from the 3 hours of mp3 conversations Ive been listening on today.
IF I am correct, the case resolved around this: Yes they agreed that 1 Frigate should maybe not be able to webbify a battlecruiser, but 2 or 3 or more frigates should/could. The problem seems to be how to implement it groups to webbify one target. (?) So for the time being, frigates can webbify battleships, which aint too unreasonable, specially since its not the same as beating them.
If anyone can correct me, I would really appreciate it. This is what I can remember in passing from a 3 hour conversation... Can be wrong tho
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:32:00 -
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asking this is like asking why can the USS Enterprise use its tractorbeam on an Astroid 100x larger and nudge it off course from hitting a planet. its best left to "it just does"
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Aika Kamigawa
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum For who make "star wars" example. This movies with "laser sound" in deep space its not realy a good example of realism. 
You mean the way EVE has "laser sound" in space? 
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Aseoph
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:53:00 -
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Ok... maybe I'm just missing something, but why would anyone want to web a BS? I mean it's not like the damn things are 1. hard to hit or 2. Fast... Webbing is mainly for smaller ships.
Yes I know someone is gonna flame me and bring up MWDs and AB, but still! put a MWD or an AB on a frig compared to a BS... and it'll do laps around the damn BS!
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AcheLone
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Posted - 2006.03.20 04:08:00 -
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well according to eve short story, the sound recreated from the pod since human love to use all its senses. the story is the jovian wetgraves or something. well back for the title. in small engagement its very crucial to have frigs so the opponent can't run and adding with a scorp. its nasty!!
Originally by: Aika Kamigawa
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum For who make "star wars" example. This movies with "laser sound" in deep space its not realy a good example of realism. 
You mean the way EVE has "laser sound" in space? 
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.03.20 04:41:00 -
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The post about not having all BS's making PvP boring is the only explaination that makes sense. Sure it's the future and everything, but a vanilla frigate no matter how hi-tech can't possibly put out enough power or have thick enough armor to hold its own against a BS.
How would you be able to fit a module powerful enough to do the job much less power it? If frigates can have armor as thick as a cruiser, why the heck do they make cruisers? But on the other hand the big guns in this game do look small so maybe the cricket gun defense from Men In Black does work here.
You can't scientifically make a case for this. The only answer is pure gameplay reasons. "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?"
--Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy |

Bunneh Killa
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Posted - 2006.03.20 05:13:00 -
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How about like in Star Wars V where an ion cannon knocks out the star destroyer's propulsion allowing the rebel ships to get past?
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.03.20 07:23:00 -
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That Ion cannon was stolen from Kuat Drive Yards. It was supposed to be fitted to a star destroyer. "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?"
--Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy |

Hayabusa Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.20 07:29:00 -
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Well in the real world the BS went the way of the Dodo. Frigates and cruisers could fit larger guns and eventually missles, no need for the high cost BS. Plus with aircraft carriers being able to dish out so much damage, it became silly to run BSs after WW II.
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Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:10:00 -
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As for the OP.
how a frig can scramble a BS: You know the story of the Bismarck (or however it is spelled). The big and badass German battleship that destroyed many Allied Forces during WWII?
Got 'scrambled' by a small fighter by torpedoing its rudder. And the rest of the Bismarck is, as they say, history. So why shouldn't a frigate be able to scramble a bs? Just a matter of the right technological toys.
--- 49. Fares Hrym from the east / holding his shield the Mithgard-Worm / in mighty rage scatters the waves / screams the eagle his nib tears the dead / Naglfar loosens.
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Exuscon
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:19:00 -
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Neither the Frig or BS bother me.
Im compfortable in my cruisers or BS.
I will start training my short range weaps soon. 
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Necroth
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:19:00 -
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anyway solo BSs should be always fitted with some anti frigs mods I just remember my mate in a bombadomi chainpoping crazy goons :p at each smartbomb he was firing, the system was loosing 2 active pilots :p poped and poded instantly, so laughty -------- Necroth |
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Kovalsky
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:29:00 -
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Quote: how a frig can scramble a BS: You know the story of the Bismarck (or however it is spelled). The big and badass German battleship that destroyed many Allied Forces during WWII?
I'm sorry but that analogy is possibly one of the most irrelevant I ever seen. What does the webbing of a BS using a Frigate (in a game) have to do with a torpedo hitting the rudders of a WW2 Battleship? ... Apart from the fact that the word Battleship is used.
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Dark Eulogy
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:50:00 -
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I've got an idea! Let's make it so nobody has any role in PvP unless they have been training skills, emphasis on training skills not actually having any RL playing skills, for 4 years! Awesome! We could even make it more based on who has the higher skillcount that who is faster and more accurate at flying their ship! Hell yeah!
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AcheLone
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe As for the OP.
how a frig can scramble a BS: You know the story of the Bismarck (or however it is spelled). The big and badass German battleship that destroyed many Allied Forces during WWII?
Got 'scrambled' by a small fighter by torpedoing its rudder. And the rest of the Bismarck is, as they say, history. So why shouldn't a frigate be able to scramble a bs? Just a matter of the right technological toys.
you're so true. i almost forgot about this event. he's actually mentioning about a small insignificant aircraft able to disable the propulsion of a very large ship. but another question from me, ain't this event happen in WW1. ------------------------------------------------
Why ppl look down at my raven. Its cool to have mining laser fitted. |

Dr Smacktalk
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:11:00 -
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Fly a Titan. I hear its uber and cant be scrambled or jammed. BS is already obsolete.
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AcheLone
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: AcheLone on 20/03/2006 12:11:48 Edited by: AcheLone on 20/03/2006 12:11:21 dang double post....  ------------------------------------------------
Why ppl look down at my raven. Its cool to have mining laser fitted. |

Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: AcheLone
Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe
bla di bla
you're so true. i almost forgot about this event. he's actually mentioning about a small insignificant aircraft able to disable the propulsion of a very large ship. but another question from me, ain't this event happen in WW1.
No, was WW2. Bismarck sank May 1941.
@Kovalsky: Not irrelevent to this topic, AcheLone already said why.
--- 49. Fares Hrym from the east / holding his shield the Mithgard-Worm / in mighty rage scatters the waves / screams the eagle his nib tears the dead / Naglfar loosens.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:33:00 -
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if anyone did listnen to the feed from las vegas the Dev(TomB/Oveur?) talked about 10 frigs or something, and they agreed to that 1 frig shouldnt be able to do it dont know if it was the beer but it realy makes sence to me. 1 frig shouldnt be able to do some of the things they can now, where do the frig get power to slow down a battleship anyway? i would believe a battleships would outpower a frig kinda heavy, so i dont get how they can warp scramble them either. and nos is fine, its a BATTLESHIP! if it uses a giant energy draining beam on you, and you have extremely little cap to begin with, no wonder it gets empty?! i dont want WoW in this game lol, so nos is fine, everythings fine, except ECM, and the stuff their fixing thats not fine.. hehe
frigates are great in teams, and will still be great in teams if they change scrambling and webbing, and ECM. and thats 50083745642% more realistic.
also instas getting fixed it sounds like, so that might be why their changing(or talked about it) the scrambling and webbing. makes sence actualy! lol
i realy recommend downloading the 3 mp3 files from the event and listening, they said a great deal of nice stuff 
i was against changing nos and always will be, i was against changing wsc n scrambling but after listening to the las vegas event im all for it if they change it the right way 
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Dr Smacktalk
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:39:00 -
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Add space bazookas then. One shot weapons on frigs that when launched they blow a hole in the BS and cause it to be unable to tank or use a specific module.
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.03.20 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Livia Tarquina That Ion cannon was stolen from Kuat Drive Yards. It was supposed to be fitted to a star destroyer.
No, the cannon is a Kuat Drive Yards v-150 Planet Defender, it is made to be used for planetary defense.
Desc: The v-150 consists of a spherical permacite shell, and its power is supplied by a massive reactor that is normally buried nearly forty meters below ground level. When it is activated, it takes several minutes to maneuver the ion cannon into position on its rotating base, while the blast shield retracts, exposing the cannon. A crew of twenty-seven soldiers is needed to operate the weapon and handle its targeting computers.
Also, whomever refered to Tarkin as a General, the title is "Grand Moff", which is granted to a regional governer, kinda like being the military dictator for an area. General is an army title which wouldn't apply.
Now that I've geeked all over the thread, I'll go abck ot lurking.
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Doc Extropy
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Posted - 2006.03.20 13:07:00 -
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Reading this thread I'm becoming hungry for a frigatte. I want to wreck some bs with that as well, sounds like A LOT of fun. 
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