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S'Daria
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Posted - 2005.03.10 12:37:00 -
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Seems wierd that a frigate can web a battleship...shouldn't the mass of the ship have something to do with it?
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.03.10 12:38:00 -
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 Originally by: S'Daria
Seems wierd that a frigate can web a battleship...shouldn't the mass of the ship have something to do with it?
because ccp want to throw younger players a bone, would be a bit pointless if all engagements had to involve bs's.
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Grut
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Posted - 2005.03.10 12:58:00 -
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its all about game balance mmmkay
having a fleet composed 100% of bs is really, really, *REALLY* boring their extremely slow to move and the odds of getting a couple of good fights a day are very low. The current bs mechanics mean their vunerable solo/in small groups which leads to them blobbing in large groups which again adds to the boredom factor.
In order to balance this frigs/cruisers need to be overpowered as compared to price/rl.
If you look at price rl you'd need arseloads of cruisers/frigs to take on a bs or do something usefull, if this was the case you wouldnt get 20 ppl jumping into their frigs to go suicide into the side a bs for its amusement, they'd get their own bs instead. The solution used to be that roughly 4-5 friggies would be a threat to a bs, but take a long time to do anything... this makes friggies nice for fast paced ops vs solo bs ie its interesting. For fleet, frigs dont do anywhere near enough damage to be useful so instead they tackle... warp scram/web the fleets target so it cant warpout in addition they intercept other friggies intent on scrambling their own fleets bs.
Hence frigates can scramble/web bs to make the game more interesting.
Unfortunatly the current balance is prettymuch anti frig. The kind of damage setups used in fleet currently means they dont have to scramble, as they take down their targets so fast. In addition the missile intercept thingy means the life expectancy of frigs in pvp is next to 0, combined with the ability of large turrets to bbq frigs given a bit of range you'll see most current fleets are composed of almost totally.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:20:00 -
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What other reason would you have to fly a frigate when frigate couldnt jam a battleship? I dont see what technology/computer engineering by jamming a ships propulsion has to do with mass? What the f* has mass to do with space? but im no rocket scientist, not been out there.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:23:00 -
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Once i suggested to introduce sized webber and scramblers and introduce more resistance ( to web and scrambling )
basicaly my suggestion was to introduce
small scramblers ( -2 )
med scramblers ( -4 )
large scramblers ( -6 )
and to give:
1 warping strenght to frigates
3 warping strenght to cruisers
5 warping strenght to BS's
this way a single frigate can scramble only a frigate, 2 frigates can scramble a cruiser and 3 frigates can scramble a BS, but i was litteraly "eaten alive".
Seems that nobody feel strange that a small ship can stop a bigger ship as easy as a bigger ship, or that a BS have not some more effective warp ability. Imho it's not so odd immagine that engines that move a BS are stronger than a frigate.
Maybe this way big corps will ask for nore noobs for pvp because more frigates will be needed in a fleet, but ai i told above this propasal had not many fans... ^_^
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fras
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:26:00 -
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frigates are suicide ships as it is, webbing and scrambling is the only thing that makes them useful.
I wouldn't like to see them become less effective.
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Grut
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Grut on 10/03/2005 13:27:06
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Once i suggested to introduce sized webber and scramblers and introduce more resistance ( to web and scrambling )
basicaly my suggestion was to introduce
small scramblers ( -2 )
med scramblers ( -4 )
large scramblers ( -6 )
and to give:
1 warping strenght to frigates
3 warping strenght to cruisers
5 warping strenght to BS's
this way a single frigate can scramble only a frigate, 2 frigates can scramble a cruiser and 3 frigates can scramble a BS, but i was litteraly "eaten alive".
Seems that nobody feel strange that a small ship can stop a bigger ship as easy as a bigger ship, or that a BS have not some more effective warp ability. Imho it's not so odd immagine that engines that move a BS are stronger than a frigate.
Maybe this way big corps will ask for nore noobs for pvp because more frigates will be needed in a fleet, but ai i told above this propasal had not many fans... ^_^
erm DID YOU READ MY POST 3 frigs for scrambling.... guess what those 3 players will think hey why on earth are 3 of flying about getting owned by the big bad bs's just to put a scramble on it before we pop, how about we all just jump into bs's ourselfs hell we wont even have to scramble stuff before it pops
IE THERES LESS POINT TO FRIGS THEN THERE IS NOW AND CURRENTLY THATS NOT MUCH NOONE WILL FLY THEM
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:30:00 -
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frigs have a very special role atm, which is gooood.
They are usually as essential as a bs is.
So why hit the frigs with the nerfbat?
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:47:00 -
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How can a Frigate slow a BattleShip?
"Reduces the maximum speed of a ship by employing micro energy streams which effectively entangle the target temporarily, thereby slowing it"
How can s Frigate stop a BattleShip warping.
"Disrupts the target ship's navigation computer which prevents it from warping."
Not meaning to be smart about it, but thats how.
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grut
Edited by: Grut on 10/03/2005 13:27:06
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Once i suggested to introduce sized webber and scramblers and introduce more resistance ( to web and scrambling )
basicaly my suggestion was to introduce
small scramblers ( -2 )
med scramblers ( -4 )
large scramblers ( -6 )
and to give:
1 warping strenght to frigates
3 warping strenght to cruisers
5 warping strenght to BS's
this way a single frigate can scramble only a frigate, 2 frigates can scramble a cruiser and 3 frigates can scramble a BS, but i was litteraly "eaten alive".
Seems that nobody feel strange that a small ship can stop a bigger ship as easy as a bigger ship, or that a BS have not some more effective warp ability. Imho it's not so odd immagine that engines that move a BS are stronger than a frigate.
Maybe this way big corps will ask for nore noobs for pvp because more frigates will be needed in a fleet, but ai i told above this propasal had not many fans... ^_^
erm DID YOU READ MY POST 3 frigs for scrambling.... guess what those 3 players will think hey why on earth are 3 of flying about getting owned by the big bad bs's just to put a scramble on it before we pop, how about we all just jump into bs's ourselfs hell we wont even have to scramble stuff before it pops
IE THERES LESS POINT TO FRIGS THEN THERE IS NOW AND CURRENTLY THATS NOT MUCH NOONE WILL FLY THEM
If scramblers will be nerfed frigates should obviusly be more survivable versus a BS( almost untochable). I undersand your point, but i hope that also u saw gate camping with several BS and a single frigate/interceptor. The reason for this intie was only "lock and stop a BS", but 1 is enough to stop a BS for enough time.
Reduce scrambling strenght for a frigate mean that more frigates ( or inties) are needed, and increasing base speed ( 2 or maybe also 3 times) will probably make impossible for a BS to kill them even if webbed or NOSS'ed, this way it will be fun also fliing a frig, and orbiting bigger ships so fast that a BS is ubable to do anything.
This way a lot of frigates are needed in a fleet, and cruisers are needed because a BS cannot make anything on frigs because they are too fast.
This way also cruisers find hes rule as BS escort and frigate killer.
P.s) I have nothing against frig users, and it's obvius that they must have a role and some fun to using them, but i thing it can be found something more realistic than "a bee that stop an elephant".
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: Grut
Edited by: Grut on 10/03/2005 13:27:06
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Once i suggested to introduce sized webber and scramblers and introduce more resistance ( to web and scrambling )
basicaly my suggestion was to introduce
small scramblers ( -2 )
med scramblers ( -4 )
large scramblers ( -6 )
and to give:
1 warping strenght to frigates
3 warping strenght to cruisers
5 warping strenght to BS's
this way a single frigate can scramble only a frigate, 2 frigates can scramble a cruiser and 3 frigates can scramble a BS, but i was litteraly "eaten alive".
Seems that nobody feel strange that a small ship can stop a bigger ship as easy as a bigger ship, or that a BS have not some more effective warp ability. Imho it's not so odd immagine that engines that move a BS are stronger than a frigate.
Maybe this way big corps will ask for nore noobs for pvp because more frigates will be needed in a fleet, but ai i told above this propasal had not many fans... ^_^
erm DID YOU READ MY POST 3 frigs for scrambling.... guess what those 3 players will think hey why on earth are 3 of flying about getting owned by the big bad bs's just to put a scramble on it before we pop, how about we all just jump into bs's ourselfs hell we wont even have to scramble stuff before it pops
IE THERES LESS POINT TO FRIGS THEN THERE IS NOW AND CURRENTLY THATS NOT MUCH NOONE WILL FLY THEM
If scramblers will be nerfed frigates should obviusly be more survivable versus a BS( almost untochable). I undersand your point, but i hope that also u saw gate camping with several BS and a single frigate/interceptor. The reason for this intie was only "lock and stop a BS", but 1 is enough to stop a BS for enough time.
Reduce scrambling strenght for a frigate mean that more frigates ( or inties) are needed, and increasing base speed ( 2 or maybe also 3 times) will probably make impossible for a BS to kill them even if webbed or NOSS'ed, this way it will be fun also fliing a frig, and orbiting bigger ships so fast that a BS is ubable to do anything.
This way a lot of frigates are needed in a fleet, and cruisers are needed because a BS cannot make anything on frigs because they are too fast.
This way also cruisers find hes rule as BS escort and frigate killer.
P.s) I have nothing against frig users, and it's obvius that they must have a role and some fun to using them, but i thing it can be found something more realistic than "a bee that stop an elephant".
Your understanding of PvP is minimal at best.
Your change would ruin the game.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 10/03/2005 14:26:08
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
P.s) I have nothing against frig users, and it's obvius that they must have a role and some fun to using them, but i thing it can be found something more realistic than "a bee that stop an elephant".
The "bee" is using the same sophisticated piece of equipment that the "elephant" is using to jam propulsion... It's not as if the frigates in eve have some sort of grappler arms that grab on the BS ass to hold it down. Nor are they using gigantic fishnets which the pilots hurl at the BS.
We have techonology for a reason.
That's why your mobile phone doesn't resemble a brick anymore, why your Video Camera isn't the size of a bazooka... with technology size is irrelevant as you can be small and efficient.
I am sure General Tarkin wrote to George Lukas after his Death Star was destroyed by a single fighter to petition for a reimbursement.
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Plague Black
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:30:00 -
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I don't see the problem there. Its webing, and not 'massing' the ship. What is next complaint, why are there jumpgates since they are not realistic?
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
Your understanding of PvP is minimal at best.
Your change would ruin the game.
May be yes, maybe not.
Maybe is not this the right way to go, but still i find strange that a BS cannot have some more anti-scramble defence. Keeping apart all sort of flaming and cutting off this discussion ( i'm not so arrogant to think that "i know all"), ballance is realy more important than realism. If there is some other solution i hope CPP will consider it, if there is not any, patience.
p.s) For who make "star wars" example. This movies with "laser sound" in deep space its not realy a good example of realism. 
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
May be yes, maybe not.
Maybe is not this the right way to go, but still i find strange that a BS cannot have some more anti-scramble defence.
It has more anti scramble defence... it has more low slots hence more anti scramble strength.
Quote:
Keeping apart all sort of flaming and cutting off this discussion ( i'm not so arrogant to think that "i know all"), ballance is realy more important than realism. If there is some other solution i hope CPP will consider it, if there is not any, patience.
Apart from being already balanced it's also quite realistic as i explained and you ignored.
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p.s) For who make "star wars" example. This movies with "laser sound" in deep space its not realy a good example of realism.
While your bee vs elephant example was smack on.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:53:00 -
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web a battleship... rofl
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Heelay Ashrum
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
It has more anti scramble defence... it has more low slots hence more anti scramble strength.
A BS fitted for pvp (expecially for armour tanked ships) with 2-4 WCS ... ???
Yeah.. a realy good setup!
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RicoLees
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:00:00 -
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ok ok lets try this one and put the gun in me mouth while im at it.
Fleets are comprised of multiple classes of ships fitted to suit certain roles are they not?
BS = The big slow Punch
Frigs = Fast recon and electronic warfair
Cruisers = Frig fraggers
If u take away the Frigs ability to do its job then y wud u need the Cruisers as there no point to fly a frig.
Then if its only BS battles are fought on fleet size not tatics. If u want realism I wud keep the Frigs to there Fracking roles.
sorry ehum..
There u have it my run down of a fleet <-> Roles
Ill go to a quiet corner now and pull the trigger.
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Honor - To Glory And Loyalty
Loyalty - To My Friends Of Wisdom
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:02:00 -
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I haven't read this entire thread, but replying to the original question...
It has nothing to do with ship mass. The webber/warp scrambler 'broadcasts' a signal that disrupts the ships propulsion system. Like sugar in a gas tank or cutting off the air intake on a jet engine or something. *shrug*
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redfield
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:16:00 -
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Description of statis webifier I
"Reduces the maximum speed of a ship by employing micro energy streams which effectively entangle the target temporarily, thereby slowing it down."
got nothing to with size. its all bout the module, dont changes this.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:22:00 -
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Oh yea PLEASE SCREW with frigates more. AS it is now they are hard enough to survive in, please make them even more useless by having to use them in packs of 50. Sounds good huh?
Scram and Web changes are VERY dodgy to change right now, I personally think they work fine. Webbers have nothing to do with mass mmkay?
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I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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RicoLees
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:44:00 -
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Y mess around anyway? It seems to me its balanced. As i sed u take away the Scrams and Webs to just get BS and I think sum one alreay sed this that 'going up against a fleet of BS is boring'?
I think that wud be to true as newish players in there frigs have to run all the time cus there being craploadsa BS around.
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Honor - To Glory And Loyalty
Loyalty - To My Friends Of Wisdom
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xaioguai
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Posted - 2005.03.10 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Seems wierd that a frigate can web a battleship...shouldn't the mass of the ship have something to do with it?
I webbed a ruin stargate in deadspace once with a wolf while waiting for my corpmate and it sucked all my caps in a blink of eyes. silly, i know 
I tested on other objected again, only use about 20% of my caps.
so i guess mass does have something to do with web.
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Minyon
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Posted - 2005.03.10 18:55:00 -
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Are you saying battleships need to be more over powered ?
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2005.03.10 19:12:00 -
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Quote:
May be yes, maybe not.
No.
Just 'yes'.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.03.10 19:56:00 -
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Just look at the module stats, as two people have pointed out.
Its got no "link" to the frig, its not a net. The idea is that its entangling it in energy strands, which can be effectively moored to warp-space, or to local gravity fields, or whatever sci-fi concept you imagine that fits with energy strings interacting with matter to stop it moving.
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Grut
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: RicoLees
Y mess around anyway? It seems to me its balanced. As i sed u take away the Scrams and Webs to just get BS and I think sum one alreay sed this that 'going up against a fleet of BS is boring'?
I think that wud be to true as newish players in there frigs have to run all the time cus there being craploadsa BS around.
its not about giving new players something to do.
Take bob, a few months ago we had lots of vets who liked zooming about in frigs zooming about in frigs, by the same token we had had lots vets flying about in bs who liked piloting a big moon and blowing the crap out of other moon sized ships. Our fleets used to be 50/50 to 2/3 bs/support now their 95/5 bs/support all the frig guys have either been forced into bs as their frigs are now useless or left.
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.03.10 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
I am sure General Tarkin wrote to George Lukas after his Death Star was destroyed by a single fighter to petition for a reimbursement.
Even when I dont agree with him, Juan's posts entertain me. (although in this case, hes right)
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Hiccup
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:16:00 -
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Totally thinking luke skywalker vs. deathstar here. Turbo-lasers just don't track an Xwing like they should ya know?
BS needs a vulnerability to frigs.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.03.11 00:26:00 -
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Whoever said frigs are an integral part in pvp is wrong...
The game is about focus fire now, you get 5 tempests each on a bs and it insta dies... no need for frigates here...
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.03.11 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker
Whoever said frigs are an integral part in pvp is wrong...
The game is about focus fire now, you get 5 tempests each on a bs and it insta dies... no need for frigates here...
You can do that in armageddons too...
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I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.03.11 06:47:00 -
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Could technically do that in any ship, but it would require more of them.........
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Cerebies
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:26:00 -
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Why should frigs be important in PvP?
IMHO, they should be noob ships to get you throw lvl 1 missions and such. I mean, they are far cheaper than any other class of ships.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:34:00 -
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Frigs are good in certain situations. Like small gangs or having two or three in every large blob as scouts.
But in any gang more then 10 people or so, the majority of the players should be in BS's. Who needs to scramble when you can kill something before it warps.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:35:00 -
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Thread necromancy ftl. This is so old that I read it as if 'twere new, until I got to my own reply from one YEAR, ten days, ago. The I went "heyyyy... wait. This is no new thread!"
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Cerebies
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:46:00 -
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oh, i didn't realize it was that old, I found it in a search and thought it was only a week or so old.
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gron alt
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:47:00 -
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frigs are only good at tackling?
let me introduce you to mr taranis who does 4k mps, 250 DPS, and near enough insta warps, has a sig so low you got to be stupid to get hit by BS sized guns at ANY RANGE, has such a cap recharge that he can run a webber/mwd/guns/scram constantly. guns do that damage to any size ship.
most versitile ships in game are frigs FFS not to mention you have more choice of frigs than crusiers or bs and that.
if a dev puts up a message ingame saying sytem X there is a unknow ship carrying a T3 bpo, 10 people in your corp. are you telling me that you would not take 10 frigs of various kinds? ofcourse you would since the target might be a frig/cruiser/bs/hauler or a carrier in which case cepters/af are ideal against ANY ONE OF THOSE. frigs atm overpowered, specially the high dmg frigs, no frig should pass 100dps.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.20 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker
Whoever said frigs are an integral part in pvp is wrong...
The game is about focus fire now, you get 5 tempests each on a bs and it insta dies... no need for frigates here...
Wow, I didn' know that tempests prevented other ships from warping away while they locked them, that must be an amazing new feature for it. Any idiot who isn't aligned and ready to warp in PvP deserves to lose a BS.
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.03.20 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Seems wierd that a frigate can web a battleship...shouldn't the mass of the ship have something to do with it?
Actually, I think this question where taken up in Las Vegas with the Devs, from what I could remember from the 3 hours of mp3 conversations Ive been listening on today.
IF I am correct, the case resolved around this: Yes they agreed that 1 Frigate should maybe not be able to webbify a battlecruiser, but 2 or 3 or more frigates should/could. The problem seems to be how to implement it groups to webbify one target. (?) So for the time being, frigates can webbify battleships, which aint too unreasonable, specially since its not the same as beating them.
If anyone can correct me, I would really appreciate it. This is what I can remember in passing from a 3 hour conversation... Can be wrong tho
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:32:00 -
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asking this is like asking why can the USS Enterprise use its tractorbeam on an Astroid 100x larger and nudge it off course from hitting a planet. its best left to "it just does"
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Aika Kamigawa
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
For who make "star wars" example. This movies with "laser sound" in deep space its not realy a good example of realism.
You mean the way EVE has "laser sound" in space?
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Aseoph
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Posted - 2006.03.20 02:53:00 -
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Ok... maybe I'm just missing something, but why would anyone want to web a BS? I mean it's not like the damn things are 1. hard to hit or 2. Fast... Webbing is mainly for smaller ships.
Yes I know someone is gonna flame me and bring up MWDs and AB, but still! put a MWD or an AB on a frig compared to a BS... and it'll do laps around the damn BS!
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AcheLone
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Posted - 2006.03.20 04:08:00 -
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well according to eve short story, the sound recreated from the pod since human love to use all its senses. the story is the jovian wetgraves or something. well back for the title. in small engagement its very crucial to have frigs so the opponent can't run and adding with a scorp. its nasty!!
Originally by: Aika Kamigawa
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
For who make "star wars" example. This movies with "laser sound" in deep space its not realy a good example of realism.
You mean the way EVE has "laser sound" in space?
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.03.20 04:41:00 -
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The post about not having all BS's making PvP boring is the only explaination that makes sense. Sure it's the future and everything, but a vanilla frigate no matter how hi-tech can't possibly put out enough power or have thick enough armor to hold its own against a BS.
How would you be able to fit a module powerful enough to do the job much less power it? If frigates can have armor as thick as a cruiser, why the heck do they make cruisers? But on the other hand the big guns in this game do look small so maybe the cricket gun defense from Men In Black does work here.
You can't scientifically make a case for this. The only answer is pure gameplay reasons.
"Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?"
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Bunneh Killa
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Posted - 2006.03.20 05:13:00 -
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How about like in Star Wars V where an ion cannon knocks out the star destroyer's propulsion allowing the rebel ships to get past?
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.03.20 07:23:00 -
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That Ion cannon was stolen from Kuat Drive Yards. It was supposed to be fitted to a star destroyer.
"Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?"
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Hayabusa Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.20 07:29:00 -
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Well in the real world the BS went the way of the Dodo. Frigates and cruisers could fit larger guns and eventually missles, no need for the high cost BS. Plus with aircraft carriers being able to dish out so much damage, it became silly to run BSs after WW II.
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Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:10:00 -
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As for the OP.
how a frig can scramble a BS: You know the story of the Bismarck (or however it is spelled). The big and badass German battleship that destroyed many Allied Forces during WWII?
Got 'scrambled' by a small fighter by torpedoing its rudder. And the rest of the Bismarck is, as they say, history.
So why shouldn't a frigate be able to scramble a bs? Just a matter of the right technological toys.
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Exuscon
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:19:00 -
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Neither the Frig or BS bother me.
Im compfortable in my cruisers or BS.
I will start training my short range weaps soon.
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Necroth
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:19:00 -
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anyway solo BSs should be always fitted with some anti frigs mods
I just remember my mate in a bombadomi chainpoping crazy goons :p
at each smartbomb he was firing, the system was loosing 2 active pilots :p
poped and poded instantly, so laughty
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Kovalsky
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:29:00 -
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Quote:
how a frig can scramble a BS: You know the story of the Bismarck (or however it is spelled). The big and badass German battleship that destroyed many Allied Forces during WWII?
I'm sorry but that analogy is possibly one of the most irrelevant I ever seen. What does the webbing of a BS using a Frigate (in a game) have to do with a torpedo hitting the rudders of a WW2 Battleship? ... Apart from the fact that the word Battleship is used.
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Dark Eulogy
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:50:00 -
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I've got an idea! Let's make it so nobody has any role in PvP unless they have been training skills, emphasis on training skills not actually having any RL playing skills, for 4 years! Awesome! We could even make it more based on who has the higher skillcount that who is faster and more accurate at flying their ship! Hell yeah!
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AcheLone
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe
As for the OP.
how a frig can scramble a BS: You know the story of the Bismarck (or however it is spelled). The big and badass German battleship that destroyed many Allied Forces during WWII?
Got 'scrambled' by a small fighter by torpedoing its rudder. And the rest of the Bismarck is, as they say, history.
So why shouldn't a frigate be able to scramble a bs? Just a matter of the right technological toys.
you're so true. i almost forgot about this event. he's actually mentioning about a small insignificant aircraft able to disable the propulsion of a very large ship. but another question from me, ain't this event happen in WW1.
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Dr Smacktalk
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:11:00 -
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Fly a Titan. I hear its uber and cant be scrambled or jammed. BS is already obsolete.
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AcheLone
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: AcheLone on 20/03/2006 12:11:48
Edited by: AcheLone on 20/03/2006 12:11:21
dang double post.... 
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Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: AcheLone
Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe
bla di bla
you're so true. i almost forgot about this event. he's actually mentioning about a small insignificant aircraft able to disable the propulsion of a very large ship. but another question from me, ain't this event happen in WW1.
No, was WW2. Bismarck sank May 1941.
@Kovalsky: Not irrelevent to this topic, AcheLone already said why.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:33:00 -
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if anyone did listnen to the feed from las vegas the Dev(TomB/Oveur?) talked about 10 frigs or something, and they agreed to that 1 frig shouldnt be able to do it  dont know if it was the beer but it realy makes sence to me. 1 frig shouldnt be able to do some of the things they can now, where do the frig get power to slow down a battleship anyway? i would believe a battleships would outpower a frig kinda heavy, so i dont get how they can warp scramble them either. and nos is fine, its a BATTLESHIP! if it uses a giant energy draining beam on you, and you have extremely little cap to begin with, no wonder it gets empty?! i dont want WoW in this game lol, so nos is fine, everythings fine, except ECM, and the stuff their fixing thats not fine.. hehe
frigates are great in teams, and will still be great in teams if they change scrambling and webbing, and ECM. and thats 50083745642% more realistic.
also instas getting fixed it sounds like, so that might be why their changing(or talked about it) the scrambling and webbing. makes sence actualy! lol
i realy recommend downloading the 3 mp3 files from the event and listening, they said a great deal of nice stuff 
i was against changing nos and always will be, i was against changing wsc n scrambling but after listening to the las vegas event im all for it if they change it the right way 
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Dr Smacktalk
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Posted - 2006.03.20 12:39:00 -
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Add space bazookas then. One shot weapons on frigs that when launched they blow a hole in the BS and cause it to be unable to tank or use a specific module.
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.03.20 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Livia Tarquina
That Ion cannon was stolen from Kuat Drive Yards. It was supposed to be fitted to a star destroyer.
No, the cannon is a Kuat Drive Yards v-150 Planet Defender, it is made to be used for planetary defense.
Desc: The v-150 consists of a spherical permacite shell, and its power is supplied by a massive reactor that is normally buried nearly forty meters below ground level. When it is activated, it takes several minutes to maneuver the ion cannon into position on its rotating base, while the blast shield retracts, exposing the cannon. A crew of twenty-seven soldiers is needed to operate the weapon and handle its targeting computers.
Also, whomever refered to Tarkin as a General, the title is "Grand Moff", which is granted to a regional governer, kinda like being the military dictator for an area. General is an army title which wouldn't apply.
Now that I've geeked all over the thread, I'll go abck ot lurking.
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Doc Extropy
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Posted - 2006.03.20 13:07:00 -
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Reading this thread I'm becoming hungry for a frigatte. I want to wreck some bs with that as well, sounds like A LOT of fun. 
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Kovalsky
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Posted - 2006.03.20 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe
Originally by: AcheLone
Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe
bla di bla
you're so true. i almost forgot about this event. he's actually mentioning about a small insignificant aircraft able to disable the propulsion of a very large ship. but another question from me, ain't this event happen in WW1.
No, was WW2. Bismarck sank May 1941.
@Kovalsky: Not irrelevent to this topic, AcheLone already said why.
Your point being what? I'm not saying Frigates shouldn't be able to disable battleships propulsion capabilities, but that analogy doesn't actually mean anything or have any relevance to EVE. I mean it proves what? That in real life little ships can beat big ships and that it can be done in EVE as well, but does that justify why Frigates should be able to disable battleship propulsion systems? I think not seeing as the rest of EVE is hardly based on real life.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.03.20 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Seems wierd that a frigate can web a battleship...shouldn't the mass of the ship have something to do with it?
If you want a fluff (a sort of roleplay semi-scientific explanation or some such) sort of explanation, then I shall provide.
In order to enter warp, a warp field needs to be established. This is a sort of exception-space where normal newtonian physics is... altered. The amount of energy needed to create this field is more than squared compared to a smaller mass ship, not to mention that the stability fluctuates significantly when larger masses enter this field. Due to this it is actually much easier to destabilize a larger ship's core stability to a degree where warping would be so dangerous that even regular clone signals would be disrupted, thus causing permantent death.
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Arkanor
Gallente missileboat might be cool.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.03.20 13:39:00 -
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Don't you damn go girly girl whining about the propulsion system now. It has worked excellent for the past 3 years without any problem at all.
Look what happend when the devs listened to the people who whined about the ECM system. Now it is completely ****** up and stupid.
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Morgana Janan
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Posted - 2006.03.20 14:06:00 -
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I just think frigates should be kept as viable combat options. It's stupid with the idea that if you want to play with the veterans players, you've got to drive one of maybe six ships. All huge, all slow. Frigates are fun.
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Necroth
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Posted - 2006.03.20 14:14:00 -
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You want the death of the tackling role ?
a good single frig pilot should be able to stop a BS.
BS are supposed to have anti tacklers modules if they hunt solo...
on the other hand they are not supposed to fly alone
everything is fine with that, DONT CHANGE ANYTHING!
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.20 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 20/03/2006 14:55:12
Originally by: Necroth
You want the death of the tackling role ?
a good single frig pilot should be able to stop a BS.
BS are supposed to have anti tacklers modules if they hunt solo...
on the other hand they are not supposed to fly alone
everything is fine with that, DONT CHANGE ANYTHING!
with the devs agreeing to that 1 frig shouldnt be able to stop a bs i think they mean that frigs shouldnt be solo wtfpwn mobiles, their group hunters and very affective at it
if they changed the stuff, you would enjoy better fleet battles not only made of snipers with tacklers, you would get in to the battle not 200km away from it. i think thats something they want more of too. so what if you cant stop a bs? your bs friends will be right by you in battle anyway and stopping the enemy anyway.
its not that bad.. frigs shouldnt be able to take on everything anyway, thats what battleships are for j/k
im realy looking forward for better battles and pvp without 8 wsc or 1 frig completely disabling you while waiting for the blob to arive...
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