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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.03.10 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 10/03/2005 15:03:49 Revised :
Maybe a third ship bonus would be in order to round out some problems we have with BS fighting.
Scorpion gets 5% powergrid saved for hybrids -------------------------------------------- 4 x 425mm Is = 8800 4 x 425mm IIs = 9241.6
cap use on hybrids keep ewar honest and still leaves enuff room for other items like MWD, Shield booster, Shield extenders, etc --------------------------------------------
Raven gets 7% powergrid saved for hybrids -------------------------------------------- 4 x 425mm Is = 7150 4 x 425mm IIs = 7508.8
cap use on hybrids keep shield tanking honest for rails. and leaves room for BS sized launchers, Shield equipment, MWD, etc. --------------------------------------------
Megathron gets 4% MWD bonus -------------------------------------------- I don't even have to explain this --------------------------------------------
Dominix gets 5% drone damage bonus -------------------------------------------- No need for this to be explained. --------------------------------------------
Typhoon gets 5% damage for Explosive missiles -------------------------------------------- This makes the harsh hi slot config less of a hassel. It will also specialize minnies to use a certain kind of missile just like em/therm and kin/therm do for amarr and gallente, repsectively. ---------------------------------------------
Tempest gets 5% increase to max targetting range --------------------------------------------- Quite frankly this should be added to teh ship stats but by making this a bonus it gives a brather to younger minnie pilots and at the same time gives meaning to having 1400mm guns. It gives back shield tanking a slot that might/would be used for a sensor booster and at the same time doesn't encourage instalock setups as much. ----------------------------------------------
armageddon gets 3% increase to scan resolution ---------------------------------------------- This ship is built for quick damage dealing so why not give it a bonus that will fill this role. It also stimulates leadership training skills for fleet to get the advantage in targeting locks. -----------------------------------------------
apoc gets 5% bonus to Beam Damage ----------------------------------------------- Get this back to being the royal navy defender? This will allow it to be a damage dealer using the best of the best from the amarrian fleet. It also will encourage less tank setups using pulses. ----------------------------------------------- -----
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 10/03/2005 14:02:13 Edited by: mahhy on 10/03/2005 14:01:09 And the Arma and Apoc?
nm: edited the post JUST as replied
Quote: armageddon gets 5% damage increase to thermal damage w/ lasers apoc gets 5% damage increase to em w/ lasers
Perhaps the other way around? I would geuss that Thermal is the more damaging type overall (guess!) so give that to the Apoc?
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 10/03/2005 15:35:04 kill this post plz :D -----
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:04:00 -
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Quote: Megathron gets 5% MWD bonus Dominix gets 5% agaility bonus
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Muad 'dib
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:04:00 -
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GREAT IDEA! (Signed)
A big ass BS must have more technology in than a frig, but they have the same amount of bonuses.
Not sure about the extra bonuses that you have detailed, but its still a good idea (tempest one looks bang on!!)
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:07:00 -
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Another damage mod for the geddon might not be such a good idea but overall i would love to see this. It would give each battleship a more specialised role. If you wanna snipe use a tempest or close range with the mega. Mabey the geddon could have some sort of cap or tracking bonus.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylona Tso
armageddon gets 5% damage increase to thermal damage w/ lasers
On second thought, much as I love my Amarr BS, I really don't think the Arma needs another damage bonus, even if it is limited to a specific type of damage from a specific turret.
How about a CPU or grid bonus? Or something to do with Armor Tanking?
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Kaylona Tso
armageddon gets 5% damage increase to thermal damage w/ lasers
On second thought, much as I love my Amarr BS, I really don't think the Arma needs another damage bonus, even if it is limited to a specific type of damage from a specific turret.
How about a CPU or grid bonus? Or something to do with Armor Tanking?
Actually... how about a 3% boost to scan resolution? It is a gankship right? -------------------- The Nest
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Plague Black
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:30:00 -
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How about only 1 bonus? Everyone wants a BS anyway, why fuel the hype any more?
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:32:00 -
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The apoc bonus sucks.
Lasers Falloff is minor and irrelevant.
Give the Apoc a dmg bonus.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:35:00 -
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Tbh I think it's much easier to balance the ships whith many bonuses so I'm all for it
Except Dominix 5% agility bonus, feels pretty weak tbh __________ Capacitor research |
Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:42:00 -
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So, if we give these ships 3 bonuses, will we then see tech 2 BS's with 6 bonuses + improved resistances ?
We don't need extra bonuses for tech 1 ships. Atm all the bs's have there strengths and weaknesses, so leave them as they are.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:48:00 -
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bah..Ic you dont like caldari BS's...thats *** bonuses..
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylona Tso Megathron gets 5% MWD bonus Dominix gets 5% agaility bonus apoc gets 5% bonus to falloff for largelasers
These 3 I'd change.
- Mega - 4% MWD Bonus. At level 5 you still have a SMALL penalty by fitting an MWD. - Domi - 5% drone damage bonus. (maybe 3%?) - Apoc - 3% Large Beam damage. Not Pulse.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:51:00 -
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APOC -5% uglyness
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy bah..Ic you dont like caldari BS's...thats *** bonuses..
I do like Cald. BS, but tbh why whould it get any other bonus other than to move them away from missiles only configs. They already tank better than ever ship in the game and missiles, even after changes, will be good. -------------------- The Nest
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy APOC -5% uglyness
Sure you don't need that bonus applied to yourself there Bad?
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:07:00 -
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New revisions out... I been up for about 24 hours... so your suggestions have been very good and much better than my own for ships I don't really care about.
Added drone damage to domi - why didn't i think of that.
Added beam/tach damage to apoc - that is actually great idea
4% MWD bonus to Megathron - since upcoming ammo changes might bring cap use on hybrids back in line... but if RoF geddon bonus isn't changed then the blasterthron needs a reason to exist. -----
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:10:00 -
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looks very promising, like the idea of giving the apoc a beam bonus
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Bad'Boy APOC -5% uglyness
Sure you don't need that bonus applied to yourself there Bad?
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:28:00 -
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Raven should get 5% to knetic missle damage instad of less PG for hybrids (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Plague Black How about only 1 bonus? Everyone wants a BS anyway, why fuel the hype any more?
Getting a BS doesn't mean you can fly it better. BSs by name alone, will always attract unwise decisions to fly it. These bonuses would specialize the ships even more. People will always use mods to get around weeknesses but instead of nerfing lets just enhance. Medium Guns just don't suck. None of them. The only problem we find in EVE is that Large ones are grossly unbalanced.
Example :
We know Tempest is the ultimate long range ship. Its its only real purpose since its the only minmatar ship to use 1400s effectively. Why, however, should we use 1400s with no tank or a pathetic shield tank, when we can armor tank with dual 650s and do a decent job at it. A longer targeting bonus says to the pilot... use me use me! We know the 1200mm is the typhoons best friend not the Tempests. This bonus is giving the ship the ability to use the gun the way it was meant. The fact most people need a tracking comp or two on the pest means that you have an increase in optimum. Thus, longer range ammo will go well outside your locking distance. Sound right to you? Should the limitations of the ship actually negate certain ammo in the game?
What about the Raven pilot who is tired of speneding money on missiles that never hit before the target warps out? Rails are Caldari's children. Ranged weapons to be exact. But the power grid is pathetic for rails. With no damage or tracking bonus you are sacrificing a lot to have hybrids on the ship. Killing the entire pgrid for 4 guns is not right. Giving the ship enough pgrid is just like saying "please use projectiles on me and supersize your tanking abilities at the same time please!" Adding a 3rd bonus for hybrids and hybrids only makes complete sense. You get an instant damage gun and you leave room for cruise lauchers and/or siege with power grid enhancements... just like the pilot who has to fit a cpu to cram neutrons or ions into a mega or 6 1400s into a tempest.
Get my drift. Lets stop calling for over balance and get on the specialization kick. BSs are flawed because 1) there are less of them 2) there is a big diversity gap that doesn't appear in cruisers/frigs 3) their guns are on the top of the food chain and need roles more thank small/mediums do. -------------------- The Nest
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 10/03/2005 15:39:23
Originally by: Blind Man Raven should get 5% to knetic missle damage instad of less PG for hybrids
I disagree. Caldari need Hybrids more than it needs a new missile bonus. They do have turret slots u know It also pushes Caldari Pilots into GUNNERY SKILL TRAINING.
Edit : think in the terms of Minmatar having to train missile skills... then it all makes perfect sense unless you just want the easy out so you can put training effort into mining barges -----
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man Raven should get 5% to knetic missle damage instad of less PG for hybrids
NO! it needs 5%damage to all missiles, not ONLY Kinetic!
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Omatje on 10/03/2005 15:58:39 Sry but i will pas for that bonus on my Tempest because it will mean a longer locking time.
There are lots of good bonusses of which some are currently already applied to other ships and which are much more usefull for the Tempest.
- tracking bonus (wishfull thinking) - cap bonus (faster recharge or increased capacity) - opt bonus - falloff bonus - MWD cap bonus
Well there are a lot more of these, but pse don't touch the locking time of Minnie ships
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:59:00 -
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Give battleships a third bonus?
Very bad idea in my opinion.
They're all powerful enough already when you compare them to other classes of ships, ie cruisers.
Any problems with balance are between the different types of BS, and making all of them better would not only not make the Megathron able to compete with a Tempest, but it would also make balancing things in the future even more difficult than it already is.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.03.10 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Blind Man Raven should get 5% to knetic missle damage instad of less PG for hybrids
NO! it needs 5%damage to all missiles, not ONLY Kinetic!
So they can nerf missiles into total oblivion? No thanks give people an opt out like minmatar have from proj w/ missiles. They used to be hyrbrid boats... but your probably not old enuff to remember that. Back when Hybrids were broke and NOONE flew Ravens at all. Hybrids are ok and are far from broke. And with this bonus there is room for enhancements on both the raven and scorp to make them better. Us Phoon and Pest users have been doing this since the beginning... why do Caldari have a hard time undestanding this. -----
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylona Tso
Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Blind Man Raven should get 5% to knetic missle damage instad of less PG for hybrids
NO! it needs 5%damage to all missiles, not ONLY Kinetic!
So they can nerf missiles into total oblivion? No thanks give people an opt out like minmatar have from proj w/ missiles. They used to be hyrbrid boats... but your probably not old enuff to remember that. Back when Hybrids were broke and NOONE flew Ravens at all. Hybrids are ok and are far from broke. And with this bonus there is room for enhancements on both the raven and scorp to make them better. Us Phoon and Pest users have been doing this since the beginning... why do Caldari have a hard time undestanding this.
I dont want Hybrids....I WANT misSiles, if I wanted Hybrids I could just fly mega....I Like missiles....screw hybrids....
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Omatje Edited by: Omatje on 10/03/2005 15:58:39 Sry but i will pas for that bonus on my Tempest because it will mean a longer locking time.
What does increased locking range have to do with increased locking time?
Nothing btw.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2005.03.10 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Shocky on 10/03/2005 16:24:14 How about the tempest gets a 5% tracking bonus for large projectiles? would be allot more useful.
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