It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

Because the way they are going about attracting new players is to screw with everything the older players hold dear? Just a thought...

Sad to say but f**king D3 is more enjoyable than eve these days :(

So CCP listens to them when we need new players to sort the market/pvp out?

Do u know how many times ive gone on roams with a fleet and jumped 40+ systems in null n not found a single person in local?

Ouch. I think that's a forum ban nowadays.

Yea well numbers are going down cos CCP is killing gameplay for old players. Sad to say but f**king D3 is more enjoyable than eve these days :(

That player count started declining right around the time that dumbing down the game became CCP's primary agenda. The game will die because it is dumbed down. Do you really think a half-assed chatroom with a mining app built in is somehow going to bring in the bucks?

Farming Simulator 2013 is coming out this month. You can drive a mother-******* truck in that *****. Grow some dope-ass crops, and see the product of your labor that's more than just a number in the neocom. Hell, that game's probably going to have more violence than this one by the end of the year. You get access to huge-ass combiners with massive spinning blades. Have you ever seen what happens when that **** meets a rabbit?

Yea well numbers are going down cos CCP is killing gameplay for old players. Sad to say but f**king D3 is more enjoyable than eve these days :(

the game is slowly dieing

Exactly....

A few hundred old bitter whiners longing for the past who seem to think EVE is a trade union. "I'm here longer so I have seniority, WAAAAA...."

Things change. Life moves on. Adapt or GTFO...

Bunch of children....

30k in hisec and 10k docked

Wrongs questions. Real question is why do MMO gamershumans complain non-stop?

Fixed that for you.

Clearly someone hasn't noticed how during this time of year eve does tend to quieten down then once the colder months set in and people are getting back to work, kids back at school etc the amount of players online increases.

The same pattern happens every year.

I'm going to quit anyway so CBA

It's a fairly simple question...

Dude I can tell you exactly why the numbers aren't going up...and it really has nothing to do with CCP not "dumbing down" High Sec.

It's the playerbase. That's right. You veterans call this game a sandbox and a "player-built" environment, which means you should then be ready to take responsibility, in large part at least, for the success/failure of the game.

1) The attitude on the forums and in game towards new pilots is astounding.
2) The fun activities in this game for the most part are reserved for a few huge Alliances that have ridiculous entry requirements because they are afraid of spies".
3) The one major training corporation (E-Uni) has an unreasonable application process for people with little playing time.
4) The tutorials in this game still suck.
5) New players like myself who take the initiative and do our own research have issues sifting through the dozens of sites that claim to give info. The knowledge bases need to be streamlined. Pick one or two sites and refer THOSE to new players.

As a newbie I can tell you that dumbing down the game is NOT the answer CCP. Making the knowledge more accessible is. Plus, if veterans would stop looking down their noses at new players and reach out to us, everyone would benefit. I guess that could be helped by CCP giving more safeguards against spies. This "VIP, Exclusivity" crap needs to stop. Alliances should be chasing down new players. Offering to teach them the game and take them along on ops to show them what they can look forward to if they stick with the game.

As usual, it's not the game that pushes new players away. It's Elitism, but of course I fully expect E-Snobs to flood this thread and insult me. 'Sall good. Just continue the status quo and let the game die. At this point I'm pretty much just holding out for Planetside 2 anyway.

(made an actual thread responding to this, but some douchebag ISD guy shut it down. Which is ironic as they happen to be another reason why I feel this game is failing. These guys sitting around eating mini-muffins and cheetos all day playing forum gestapo are quite irritating but whatever. People derive their sense of relevancy from diff places I guess).

made an actual thread responding to this, but some douchebag ISD guy shut it down

made an actual thread responding to this, but some douchebag ISD guy shut it down.

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

Which is ironic as they happen to be another reason why I feel this game is failing. These guys sitting around eating mini-muffins and cheetos all day playing forum gestapo are quite irritating but whatever. People derive their sense of relevancy from diff places I guess).

You'd be amazed how often we see these 'eve is dying' threads, and it really really isn't.

It's also pretty amazing how many times eve is cutting things up with a die.

It's also pretty amazing how many times eve is cutting things up with a die.

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

Bittervets are a detriment to this game.
Get over it.

CCP, ban all bittervets or I will unsubscribe my 15 accounts.

Dude I can tell you exactly why the numbers aren't going up...and it really has nothing to do with CCP not "dumbing down" High Sec.

It's the playerbase. That's right. You veterans call this game a sandbox and a "player-built" environment, which means you should then be ready to take responsibility, in large part at least, for the success/failure of the game.

1) The attitude on the forums and in game towards new pilots is astounding.
2) The fun activities in this game for the most part are reserved for a few huge Alliances that have ridiculous entry requirements because they are afraid of spies".
3) The one major training corporation (E-Uni) has an unreasonable application process for people with little playing time.
4) The tutorials in this game still suck.
5) New players like myself who take the initiative and do our own research have issues sifting through the dozens of sites that claim to give info. The knowledge bases need to be streamlined. Pick one or two sites and refer THOSE to new players.

As a newbie I can tell you that dumbing down the game is NOT the answer CCP. Making the knowledge more accessible is. Plus, if veterans would stop looking down their noses at new players and reach out to us, everyone would benefit. I guess that could be helped by CCP giving more safeguards against spies. This "VIP, Exclusivity" crap needs to stop. Alliances should be chasing down new players. Offering to teach them the game and take them along on ops to show them what they can look forward to if they stick with the game.

As usual, it's not the game that pushes new players away. It's Elitism, but of course I fully expect E-Snobs to flood this thread and insult me. 'Sall good. Just continue the status quo and let the game die. At this point I'm pretty much just holding out for Planetside 2 anyway.

(made an actual thread responding to this, but some douchebag ISD guy shut it down. Which is ironic as they happen to be another reason why I feel this game is failing. These guys sitting around eating mini-muffins and cheetos all day playing forum gestapo are quite irritating but whatever. People derive their sense of relevancy from diff places I guess).

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

barley topping 30k

barley

Oh the irony!!

I'll think you will find it's those couple of hundred old whiners that keep EVE in a perpetual state of fear by utilizing Chicken Little tactics, from Eve becoming Hello Kitty in space, to how there is nothing but risk in nulsec and no reward while hisec is a quaint stroll in the verdant gardens of the french countryside that results in 100 million isk checks at the end.

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

posting in whining thread about whining

Gotta love that irony... right?

Because we don't enjoy seeing the game we love slowly turned in to a safe, fluffy, carebear wonderland just so CCP can have more money in the short term. A steady long term income is better for EVE.

errr.... cough.....

Hey Mallak, there's these guys out west and north (and soon to be the south and east) - you might even know them - who have blobbed fought their way and smashed all likely opposition.

The guys they are smashing are sooooo sick of it they are flooding into that soft, cuddly, safe environment because there's nowhere else to go.

You can only punch people in the head for so long.

For all I can tell eve online has decreased player base since 2010, sure there have been spikes here and there but a lot of people are playing other games like GW2 for example. I know half my ex alliance does.

http://i.imgur.com/QcLw0l.jpg

~18K pilots online currently at 5am my time, but this goes back 24 hours. Interesting how many ships have been killed in Highsec compared to other secs.

I'm sorry that you're unable to believe anything other than your own delusions, I really am.

You mad that we aren't buying into yours?

There are complainers in every single game.

If you think this is bad you should go to the BF3 and MW3 forums.

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

The economy is f**ked up , people are loosing their jobs they can no longer afford to pay monthly to play this game...

its as simple as that...

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

Oh the irony!!

I'll think you will find it's those couple of hundred old whiners that keep EVE from becoming Hello Kitty in space.

Are you really surprised that those old Vets are getting bitter,

And if this developement of whiny little cunts flooding in from other games...

Insults, badly typed posts, arguments based on "everybody knows" unsupported by hard facts, proposals based on narrow self-interest with no appreciation or interest in how the proposal will affect other aspects of the game, rampant tin-foil hattery... all these are the marks of the poster who wants to complain much more than he wants to be responsible for seeing anything actually change.

Dunno which days you play on, I see far more than that in my prime. And since early 2007 when I joined the game the numbers online have steadily risen, there was a dip when teh incarna thing hit but it rose again and will continue to rise.

Stop complaining.

Their wives/girlfriends/husbands/boyfriends don't listen to them, because the time they could spend listening to their wives/girlfriends/husbands/boyfriends is expended by playing eve.

If you don't have a partner, wtf are you doing reading this post?

[quote=Signal11th][quote=Taranius De Consolville]It's a fairly simple question



Do u know how many times ive gone on roams with a fleet and jumped 40+ systems in null n not found a single person in local?

Sad to say but true, Eve is a bit boring at the moment (last 18months)

No not surprised, they think EVE is just about them...



Of course no one else has the right to come here and become a customer because "you" don't approve. "Flooding in from other games" LOL You can't make this **** up. No one is allowed to play more then one game I guess and when people see ads for EVE they should understand that the "real" whiners are already playing...

I never said that we do not need new players at all. I said its the whiny type of ppl we do not need, the ones who want high sec to be 100% safe, the ones who just joined the game, train the fotm ship and whine when it gets balanced. The ones who whine when they get suicide and complain about how unfair the game is and want to get the game mechanics changed in their favour, without taking a look at the bigger picture and just ragequit when they do not get what they want anyway.

Yes, don't you just hate it when null sec people whine about the new AI and then CCP rolls backs the new AI changes so they don't affect plex structures.

Personally, I like all the complaining!

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

Proper English is dying.

Confirming this will happen if you can't or don't accept evolution witch is part of living languages. Latin on the other hand...

Just don't read the eve online forums, too many Americans and other various assorted slime who wouldn't understand intelligence if it hit them.

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

..The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players..

EvE is dying because it's a 9 year old game that, minus the minor graphics updates, still has essentially the same content it did 9 years ago.
No major PvE content overhauls, no major world content added.
Incursions were just the same thing...blow up red x's.
WH's were just more blow up red x's with the addition of you might get blown up by red boxes.
PvE is boring and uninspiring.

PvP...is the same, boring and uninspiring.
Null: Blobs, ISK Moguls hiding behind endless resources and more blobs.
Low sec: is a waste of space.

Ship re-balancing should be a precursor to major content additions , but it wont be. It's all there is.
For more endless, pointless combat. 9 years....9 years of stagnating game design and dwindling player subs.
What is the answer to all this?

Does CCP buckle down, and start devoting time and effort into polishing up EvE? Re-texturing and remodeling the endless amounts of ancient world props that are outright butt ugly? Populate the world with strange and beautiful celestial phenomena?
Make the NPCs come alive with npc faction ai near stations and gates...doing npc stuff? Blinking ads on gates encouraging players to join faction warfare..or to try new spicy protein delicacies? Fix the damn hit boxes? Give more ships unique hulls so they aren't just re-textures? And that's just part of the graphics/world design...to go into other categories...would take ages. So anyways, is this what CCP does?

Nope.

They dump millions into DUST.
A unknown IP into a already crowded and aging FPS market.
Is DUST going to unseat Call of Doody? No.
Is DUST going to unseat all the other FPS games that are well known and have a dedicated player base? No.
Go look at the search habits on Google...here I'll do it for you.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22DUST%20514%22%20,%20%22Call%20of%20Duty%22,%20%22Halo%22,%20%22Team%20Fortress%202%22,%20%22Quake%22

The link says more about it than I ever could.

The player base is the only thing that keeps EvE interesting.
EvE itself is nothing more than a machine to endlessly make and explode ships.

I complain because EvE could easily be a attractive world filled with eye candy and rich content to attract new players and keep old players entertained and encouraged by the loving care their game is getting...instead of 6 month development times to add 4 ships and 1 re-model and change some of the numbers around.
Other MMOs add entire new worlds to their game in 6 months...what could have happened to EvE with focused development...and all of the cash that went into DUST?

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

Panicking over cyclical numbers is nothing new.

I'd only start worrying if CCP was announcing a 'Free to Play' plan.

I joined eve a little more than a year ago and so much has changed in the past 12 months xD

oh god .. no


thats not even nice to just think about happening

1) The attitude on the forums and in game towards new pilots is astounding.

2) The fun activities in this game for the most part are reserved for a few huge Alliances that have ridiculous entry requirements because they are afraid of spies".

3) The one major training corporation (E-Uni) has an unreasonable application process for people with little playing time.

Plus, if veterans would stop looking down their noses at new players and reach out to us, everyone would benefit. I guess that could be helped by CCP giving more safeguards against spies. This "VIP, Exclusivity" crap needs to stop. Alliances should be chasing down new players. Offering to teach them the game and take them along on ops to show them what they can look forward to if they stick with the game.

Why do MmO Players complain non stop ?

Fixed that for you.

Do u know how many times ive gone on roams with a fleet and jumped 40+ systems in null n not found a single person in local?

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

"A vet is not someone from 2007 or 2006.... a vet is one of the guys who started back in 2003.. someone who has been there the whole time while EvE has been growing and tagged along in the process."

Can't resist....this is my favorite type of people. If you aren't here at the beginning of the game, you will NEVER be a vet. LOL Talk about bitter old vets gone wild!!

It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning

I know, in the spirit of the thread I am supposed to argue with you but I agree. As an '05 EVE player I consider myself to be a Vet. Not a beta player but in many ways we have been playing Dust 514 beta since Dominion so there are plenty of Vets. (It's when the Sov stopped being about moons and started being about planets, in preparation for our free to play over lords)

'03 Vets have no experience with Capitals I don't have, They weren't in the game.
They knew EVE when it didn't have Concord. That should prove useful.
Even a lot of my Vet experience is useless. I knew how to avoid an AoE doomsday. So?
I know how to get around warp to 15km off the gate. And that helps me how?

To the OP, the question isn't really why we complain but why are we so bitter?
Get back to me in 5 or 6 years if you are still here.

Eve's system actually makes it so older players drive away newer players, instead of attracting. Where newer players are more of the "product" instead of the "consumer".

Now a few players stay, probably, but most of the new players will cancel their subscriptions and leave without a second thought. this makes the subscription base less volatile, but also MUCH smaller.

Is this a good or bad business model?

Agreed. Something needs to be done about these guys who just sit forever in NPC corps and tell new players that they can never succeed by taking any risks. They're a cancer.

Gee, wonder why.
When most of null is blue to one another. Yes, I know you are fighting PL, and the goons are fighting NC.
But fundamentally, there is far more peace in null than there was 18 months ago.

lolwut? Virtually all of sov space is involved in the current conflicts. And NPC 0.0 is as full of the old ultraviolence as it ever was.

i agree with ur earlier point but this above statement is absolute bs mate

most of the major alliances make huge coaltions n blue everyone, its boring, pvp is boring now

!"

Because of Falcon....

I can't believe his threads still active....

oh dear lord this thread is still going

wow lol

u people really should understand when u get trolled.

Fail tbfh, fail

Cough.... I did warn you

Caused by the ease and low cost of the extreme projection of power and logistics. Without it alliances would be forced to fight their neighbors again, instead of curb-stomping some small alliance on the other side of the galaxy with their NAP-train (who will just run and hide, ofcourse).

A big increase in the consumption of jump-fuel for capitals would solve a LOT of problems in null, low-sec and even empire, because many of them are directly or indirectly related to the excessive power-projection of (super)capitals and the ridiculous low-cost, low-risk, low-effort logistics of jump-freighters.

But it's a foul-tasting medicine that CCP will sadly never force upon the null-bears.

It's not my fault

oh dear lord, let this thread dIe lol

Fixed

tah <3