Since it is possible to fight back, and has been repeatedly shown in game as such, your request to handicap cloaked vessels suggests a lack of desire to do so.
Not a lack of ability.

(afk) cloakers are needed for various reasons and thats fine.
suck it up and deal with it. if you cant its your problem but not of game mechanics.
afk cloaking is fine.

and now stop posting in this sh*tty thread, everything has been said millions of times,
if you are interested, check those old countless threads. There is no need for another rant thread like this.

As for the discusion at hand, all im saying there should be same rules for everyone in nullsec,
and now obviously one group of people is untouchable, even tho nullsec should bring some risk for everyone.
And if someone could telll me what the ccp have to tell about this i would be really gratefull as i could not find
anything about this.

Hmm i can understand what you are saying, but can't agree. Maybe i just dont know enough about this mechanics...
But since you cross gate to acces a system you are visible in local, cant argue with that. Don't know much about WH,
but since you cross thru portal and not gate, cloak should negate your apperance in WH space in Local.
However no technology to counter cloak is just not logical and promotes efortless activieties in null.
How is that mining, rat etc. in hi-sec is more dangerous than cloaked-intel, or some other cloak activieties in null ?

About the CCP not reacting... Well we all know that for CCP to addres some flaws in eve it takes a lot of effort from players :P
I think they avoiding some threads is just matter of "OMG more codding" issue.

I still think there needs to be posibility to counter cloak, noone says that an easy one but just a posibility.

There is no need for another rant thread like this.

Seriously?

Is this thread still going? Do us a favour and look up the old ones, everything you anti-cloakers are saying has been covered literally hundreds of times in previous threads.

Seriously?
I just don't get it. What is so wrong with you people that your so damn scared of 1 person in a system? If someone is there and you want to run anomalies, move next door. Is that really that scary?

That is my point.

This discussion has gone on for years.

CCP, by not reacting, has in fact endorsed things to remain as is.

You should understand, you cannot change one side of this equation alone. For balance, you need to change the factors that descended from those details as well.

Do you really believe cloaked vessels are designed to not be hunted?
Unlikely, but it would break the game unless local intel was balanced to compensate.
Then they would need to address cyno usage, since it devolved from local used as intel.
At some point, wormholes would be changed so drastically, that it would require redesign from the concept level.

Nothing is as simple as it seems.

Be glad tactics and strategies exist to counter cloaking. Use them.

Well as i seen all old threads were closed case of flame not because of lack of argument.

Anybody who thinks that travelling through nullsec with a cloak fitted has no risk involved clearly has very limited experience travelling through nullsec with a cloak fitted.

Has anyone considered making cloaks escalate in cap cost as you stay cloaked?

I got this idea particularly from Mass Effect: to achieve 'stealth' in space, they're actually keeping in all signals inside the ship, keeping it from radiating out. Sure, they can go stealthy, but eventually they have to come up for air, so to speak, because otherwise they'd roast the crew.

Now, to bring this across to Cloaks, you'd have to make it a small, perhaps even tiny escalation in the capacitor cost for keeping your cloak running. So each cycle adds something like 0.1 GJ to the cost of running the cloak per cycle, and eventually - if you stay cloaked too long - you get Aura whispering in your ear: the capacitor is empty...

This could be anywhere in length-of-time, depending on how CCP wants to balance it. Maybe have cloakies stay cloaked for about half an hour or an hour. Perhaps even six or more.. Might even be longer than that, but the point is that eventually you'd have to decloak. For someone at the keyboard, this is simple to overcome; just tap that cloaking device again and you're good, since your cloak resets to a 0 modifier to the activation cost as soon as you decloak (and vent all the heat that you've been holding), and you'd be sweet until the next time the buildup hits a critical level.

Using Cap Rechargers, Batteries and what-have-you will let you run your cloak for longer, of course, for the obvious drawback of not having another module that would otherwise be in that mid/low slot.

Change local to constellation wide.

Now, if you are really trying to stop AFK cloaking, and not nerf all cloaks..... (because it sure seems like you simple want to nerf all cloaks), I propose the following.

Simply remove cloakers from local. And deny that cloaker local.

- Now cloaks are really cloaked.

- Now AFK Cloaking cannot cause any fear.

- Now active cloakers have to work for more intel or to find targets. (like decloak or use probes)

- Now system residents have to pay a little more attention to whats going on around them.

- Now (if done correctly) BOTs can be caught.

Dear nullbears. You can have you're fancy ability to scan down cloaked ships when I get the ability to remove myself from your precious intel gathering local chat channel.

+1

Deal!

Local blows!

And I am not very fond of warp gates either- let me micro jump to the next system while cloaked.
(yep I am actually for that)

Changing local to constellation.. -1

Then it will be packed with boring chatter, I had many new friends by chatting in local. Let local be something you can opt in to join. I.e wormhole style



Never! Death to meta gaming!

Local blows!

And I am not very fond of warp gates either- let me micro jump to the next system while cloaked.
(yep I am actually for that)

Changing local to constellation.. -1

Then it will be packed with boring chatter, I had many new friends by chatting in local. Let local be something you can opt in to join. I.e wormhole style