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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
344

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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:48:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
And might we guess that the data you released was "average" and that you had full freedom to discuss about those average figures? Been there, done that, been on the next tier to decide what level of average is average enough too ;) People please, continue to chase CCP for for data. But don't chase Sreegs, Stillman or the rest of their team. If you had any idea of their job you'd know that they want to talk facts. But often is not useful, and sometimes not allowed. I'm the only one with the data. I do all the backend work, data gathering and analytics. So if you want data, I'll be the one to crunch it, be it Sreegs or myself that publishes it.
Again, I'll look at the data and see if it makes sense to discuss. But not until I'm back in the office later this week and have time to discuss it with Sreegs, who's kinda busy this month. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
773
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:54:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Salpun wrote:captain foivos wrote:Thanks, but I wasn't at Eve Vegas. Most EVE Vegas presentations come out as devblogs sooner rather then later. http://lowseclifestyle.blogspot.com./ Is a good location to find otu what was sayed. I can write it into a dev blog too. But please give us some time, as I'm currently in Vegas still and Sreegs has his hands full right now.
Dead prostitutes? I am guessing. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1419
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Posted - 2012.10.09 02:18:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
And might we guess that the data you released was "average" and that you had full freedom to discuss about those average figures? Been there, done that, been on the next tier to decide what level of average is average enough too ;) People please, continue to chase CCP for for data. But don't chase Sreegs, Stillman or the rest of their team. If you had any idea of their job you'd know that they want to talk facts. But often is not useful, and sometimes not allowed. I'm the only one with the data. I do all the backend work, data gathering and analytics. So if you want data, I'll be the one to crunch it, be it Sreegs or myself that publishes it. Again, I'll look at the data and see if it makes sense to discuss. But not until I'm back in the office later this week and have time to discuss it with Sreegs, who's kinda busy this month. Our sincere thanks for your attention and your efforts. Hopefully the data isn't too controversial!
An informed player, after all.  He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
257
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:38:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
And might we guess that the data you released was "average" and that you had full freedom to discuss about those average figures? Been there, done that, been on the next tier to decide what level of average is average enough too ;) People please, continue to chase CCP for for data. But don't chase Sreegs, Stillman or the rest of their team. If you had any idea of their job you'd know that they want to talk facts. But often is not useful, and sometimes not allowed. I'm the only one with the data. I do all the backend work, data gathering and analytics. So if you want data, I'll be the one to crunch it, be it Sreegs or myself that publishes it. Again, I'll look at the data and see if it makes sense to discuss. But not until I'm back in the office later this week and have time to discuss it with Sreegs, who's kinda busy this month. Our sincere thanks for your attention and your efforts. Hopefully the data isn't too controversial! An informed player, after all.  This indeed.
Thanks for the work, any eventual data and your willingness to discuss the issues with us.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1433
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Posted - 2012.10.09 18:09:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
And might we guess that the data you released was "average" and that you had full freedom to discuss about those average figures? Been there, done that, been on the next tier to decide what level of average is average enough too ;) People please, continue to chase CCP for for data. But don't chase Sreegs, Stillman or the rest of their team. If you had any idea of their job you'd know that they want to talk facts. But often is not useful, and sometimes not allowed. I'm the only one with the data. I do all the backend work, data gathering and analytics. So if you want data, I'll be the one to crunch it, be it Sreegs or myself that publishes it. Again, I'll look at the data and see if it makes sense to discuss. But not until I'm back in the office later this week and have time to discuss it with Sreegs, who's kinda busy this month. Our sincere thanks for your attention and your efforts. Hopefully the data isn't too controversial! An informed player, after all.  This indeed. Thanks for the work, any eventual data and your willingness to discuss the issues with us. The more time goes by, the more I'm on pins and needles for the results. CCP Stillman, be the hero! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1440
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Posted - 2012.10.10 05:50:00 -
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I don't mean to look like a jerk, but if you can't give the data, can you at least say, "We can't give this data?"
Knowing data on it exists is killing me.
Thanks very much. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
346
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Posted - 2012.10.10 06:17:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:I don't mean to look like a jerk, but if you can't give the data, can you at least say, "We can't give this data?"
Knowing data on it exists is killing me.
Thanks very much.
I think you might want to wait until he gets back to his computer at work, as he said he is still in Vegas, and he left out data that was on his computer at work. There is also much crunching involved apparently; I'm not sure if it's bones, or chips, but there's crunching. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1441
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Posted - 2012.10.10 06:19:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I don't mean to look like a jerk, but if you can't give the data, can you at least say, "We can't give this data?"
Knowing data on it exists is killing me.
Thanks very much. I think you might want to wait until he gets back to his computer at work, as he said he is still in Vegas, and he left out data that was on his computer at work. There is also much crunching involved apparently; I'm not sure if it's bones, or chips, but there's crunching. Quite a fair point. Apologies.
I didn't realize Vegas was still going, and noticed it had been a bit.
Once again, thank you CCP Stillman, and I apologize for my abruptness.  He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1646
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:42:00 -
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Bump.
Time went by, the relevancy of the information hasn't elapsed.
Did the mining buff yield more botters in high-sec ice belts? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Sgt Napalm
Creative Cookie Procuring Brushie Brushie Brushie
7
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:33:00 -
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Sadly, Stillman and Streggs were never seen again after Vegas. |
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Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
569
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:38:00 -
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Sgt Napalm wrote:Sadly, Stillman and Streggs were never seen again after Vegas.
this is what comes of 'filling your hands in Vegas'. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
642
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:56:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Sgt Napalm wrote:Sadly, Stillman and Streggs were never seen again after Vegas. this is what comes of 'filling your hands in Vegas'.
Apparently "what happens in Vegas..."
Yeah, I went there.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Krimzin Majere
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:11:00 -
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Hopefully they weren't involved in another sequel to "The Hangover". |

Sgt Napalm
Creative Cookie Procuring Brushie Brushie Brushie
7
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:16:00 -
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Have you seen the photos on twitter? Lot's of bromance. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
287
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:27:00 -
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Hmm... Bumping Kick Heim... MATE |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1666
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Posted - 2012.11.15 22:54:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:Hmm... Bumping A good point. 
Has the New Order's bumping campaign's escalation had any impact on the botting numbers since Eve Vegas?
What about the renewed ice interdiction?
Most importantly, though, did botting in high-sec rise significantly following the barge/exhumer buff? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.15 23:21:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:CCP Sreegs, has there been a substantial shift in the numbers of high-sec bots you're catching since the release of the mining barge buff?
Would you say, based on your response to the above, the threat of ganking was a deterrent to potential mining bot operators?
If you aren't seeing more bots in high-sec and the numbers have changed substantially since Fanfest, is it reasonable for players to ask for an update? I ask this because the new demographics for botting may explain how a less time-sensitive lower-risk form of AFK PVE is healthier for the game in high-sec than its equivalent elsewhere.
Thanks in advance for any responses you can provide. I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work. I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
Say though one more time |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1666
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Posted - 2012.11.15 23:26:00 -
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Akiyo Mayaki wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:CCP Sreegs, has there been a substantial shift in the numbers of high-sec bots you're catching since the release of the mining barge buff?
Would you say, based on your response to the above, the threat of ganking was a deterrent to potential mining bot operators?
If you aren't seeing more bots in high-sec and the numbers have changed substantially since Fanfest, is it reasonable for players to ask for an update? I ask this because the new demographics for botting may explain how a less time-sensitive lower-risk form of AFK PVE is healthier for the game in high-sec than its equivalent elsewhere.
Thanks in advance for any responses you can provide. I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work. I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though. Say though one more time I'm not entirely sure what you meant here.
I don't see how the breakdown by region or profession (or whatever demographic) would have been appropriate at Eve Vegas but somehow inappropriate on these forums, which events such as Fanfest and Eve Vegas are an extension of.
I'm hoping that if the information is out there, we can get it. That would be the best way to draw conclusions about this topic.
If we cannot have it anymore, I'd like it for CCP to just tell us that so we can make our conclusions from there. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
12
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Posted - 2012.11.16 09:42:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Akiyo Mayaki wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
Say though one more time I'm not entirely sure what you meant here. I don't see how the breakdown by region or profession (or whatever demographic) would have been appropriate at Eve Vegas but somehow inappropriate on these forums, which events such as Fanfest and Eve Vegas are an extension of. I'm hoping that if the information is out there, we can get it. That would be the best way to draw conclusions about this topic. If we cannot have it anymore, I'd like it for CCP to just tell us that so we can make our conclusions from there.
He said nothing about appropriate, he forgot to give the breakdown by region at Vegas but would like that to be part of what he gives out. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1699
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:44:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Akiyo Mayaki wrote:CCP Stillman wrote: I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.
I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.
Say though one more time I'm not entirely sure what you meant here. I don't see how the breakdown by region or profession (or whatever demographic) would have been appropriate at Eve Vegas but somehow inappropriate on these forums, which events such as Fanfest and Eve Vegas are an extension of. I'm hoping that if the information is out there, we can get it. That would be the best way to draw conclusions about this topic. If we cannot have it anymore, I'd like it for CCP to just tell us that so we can make our conclusions from there. He said nothing about appropriate, he forgot to give the breakdown by region at Vegas but would like that to be part of what he gives out. Gotcha.
CCP Stillman? CCP Sreegs? Any comments at all? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1757
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Posted - 2012.11.17 19:30:00 -
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Still waiting. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
942
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Posted - 2012.11.17 21:21:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Would you say, based on your response to the above, the threat of ganking was a deterrent to potential mining bot operators? As a human who partakes in mining, I would expect that the threat of ganking has a greater impact on the population of human miners. Thus I would expect that the introduction of the new barges has increased the population of human miners. The claim of "fighting bots" has only ever been a rationalisation on the part of the gankers. Just own up to the fact that you enjoy hunting the lowest form of prey in the game. I would tend to agree with this sentiment. Mostly because the threat of being ganked for a bot is vastly different then the same threat for a player. A bot who can mine 23.5/7 can easily lose a ship and make up the difference that day where the player who may only have a few hours of time to play each day and is much more less efficient than the bot will take longer to make up the money lost by being ganked. It will be interesting to see what CCP Sreegs has to say about it.
I guess gank needs nerfs and not buffs like they're giving to at next expansion. Because idiots being idiots the word miner=bot and I expect a lot of usual same boring common old rabble about inflation and miners and bots...
Buff gank mean take away players interested in that activity, be it afk cigarette coffee poo whatsoever, but doing it a couple hours a day. But will change absolutely nothing about bots still making huge amounts of isk and easily covering their losses. Excellent move from CCP and gankers about shooting their own foot. I can smell it from here. brb |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1762
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Posted - 2012.11.17 21:23:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: I guess gank needs nerfs and not buffs like they're giving to at next expansion. Because idiots being idiots the word miner=bot and I expect a lot of usual same boring common old rabble about inflation and miners and bots...
Buff gank mean take away players interested in that activity, be it afk cigarette coffee poo whatsoever, but doing it a couple hours a day. But will change absolutely nothing about bots still making huge amounts of isk and easily covering their losses. Excellent move from CCP and gankers about shooting their own foot. I can smell it from here.
The real excellent move came yesterday:
CCP Falcon wrote:So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:
Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.
However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:
Bumping is not considered harassment. Bumping is not considered griefing. Bumping is not against the rules.
It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.
Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.
There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
11
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Posted - 2012.11.17 21:31:00 -
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I hate so say it, but i too would also like to know if this "New Order" has actually had an impact.. Mining without a perimit,till the day I die |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
942
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Posted - 2012.11.17 22:05:00 -
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Melvin Coulter wrote:I hate so say it, but i too would also like to know if this "New Order" has actually had an impact..
As much as the previous gankageddon on hulks: none but make clean place for the biggest botters in eve. Why would you spend so much energy and time with space pixels and fake threats&fears unless this costs you real money?
The one doing because of some sort of veldspar bushido code is an idiot the one pretending he's a good guy and care more about the "ho so important internet space ships economics" in my eyes acts more like a real money trader/botter than the other way around. brb |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1764
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Posted - 2012.11.18 01:01:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Melvin Coulter wrote:I hate so say it, but i too would also like to know if this "New Order" has actually had an impact.. As much as the previous gankageddon on hulks: none but make clean place for the biggest botters in eve. Why would you spend so much energy and time with space pixels and fake threats&fears unless this costs you real money? The one doing because of some sort of veldspar bushido code is an idiot the one pretending he's a good guy and care more about the "ho so important internet space ships economics" in my eyes acts more like a real money trader/botter than the other way around. As valuable as your opinion is, CCP Stillman would be a better source I think. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
475
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Posted - 2012.11.18 01:30:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Still waiting.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1772
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Posted - 2012.11.18 19:19:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Still waiting. Thanks for the support.
Still waiting. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
17
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Posted - 2012.11.18 19:35:00 -
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Dev dev were art thou? Mining without a perimit,till the day I die |

Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:33:00 -
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I hope for an answer as well  |
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