And might we guess that the data you released was "average" and that you had full freedom to discuss about those average figures?

Been there, done that, been on the next tier to decide what level of average is average enough too ;)

People please, continue to chase CCP for for data.

But don't chase Sreegs, Stillman or the rest of their team.

If you had any idea of their job you'd know that they want to talk facts.

But often is not useful, and sometimes not allowed.

I can write it into a dev blog too. But please give us some time, as I'm currently in Vegas still and Sreegs has his hands full right now.

I'm the only one with the data. I do all the backend work, data gathering and analytics. So if you want data, I'll be the one to crunch it, be it Sreegs or myself that publishes it.

Again, I'll look at the data and see if it makes sense to discuss. But not until I'm back in the office later this week and have time to discuss it with Sreegs, who's kinda busy this month.

Our sincere thanks for your attention and your efforts. Hopefully the data isn't too controversial!

An informed player, after all.

This indeed.

Thanks for the work, any eventual data and your willingness to discuss the issues with us.

I don't mean to look like a jerk, but if you can't give the data, can you at least say, "We can't give this data?"

Knowing data on it exists is killing me.

Thanks very much.

I think you might want to wait until he gets back to his computer at work, as he said he is still in Vegas, and he left out data that was on his computer at work. There is also much crunching involved apparently; I'm not sure if it's bones, or chips, but there's crunching.

Sadly, Stillman and Streggs were never seen again after Vegas.

this is what comes of 'filling your hands in Vegas'.

Hmm... Bumping

I gave a presentation about our progress at EVE Vegas on Saturday. But it was pointed out to me afterwards that I forgot to include the breaking by region that I had on my machine at work.

I don't know what the answer is though at present. I'll have a look at the data when I get home though. But no promise though.

Say though one more time

I'm not entirely sure what you meant here.

I don't see how the breakdown by region or profession (or whatever demographic) would have been appropriate at Eve Vegas but somehow inappropriate on these forums, which events such as Fanfest and Eve Vegas are an extension of.

I'm hoping that if the information is out there, we can get it. That would be the best way to draw conclusions about this topic.

If we cannot have it anymore, I'd like it for CCP to just tell us that so we can make our conclusions from there.

He said nothing about appropriate, he forgot to give the breakdown by region at Vegas but would like that to be part of what he gives out.

It will be interesting to see what CCP Sreegs has to say about it.

I guess gank needs nerfs and not buffs like they're giving to at next expansion. Because idiots being idiots the word miner=bot and I expect a lot of usual same boring common old rabble about inflation and miners and bots...

Buff gank mean take away players interested in that activity, be it afk cigarette coffee poo whatsoever, but doing it a couple hours a day. But will change absolutely nothing about bots still making huge amounts of isk and easily covering their losses.
Excellent move from CCP and gankers about shooting their own foot. I can smell it from here.

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

Bumping is not considered harassment.
Bumping is not considered griefing.
Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.

I hate so say it, but i too would also like to know if this "New Order" has actually had an impact..

As much as the previous gankageddon on hulks: none but make clean place for the biggest botters in eve. Why would you spend so much energy and time with space pixels and fake threats&fears unless this costs you real money?

The one doing because of some sort of veldspar bushido code is an idiot the one pretending he's a good guy and care more about the "ho so important internet space ships economics" in my eyes acts more like a real money trader/botter than the other way around.

Still waiting.