Wardecs.

You aint using them.

Jihadding with bigger ships that push out more DPS (but you'd make a loss dying to concord)... you aint using that either.

Infact, I see plenty of risk..... but I see more nullsec whiners avoiding risk and the costs involved and crying about it...

Lol.

You might want to make the goons and their Hulkageddon project aware of this.

Right, and all the freighters being lost in Uedama to your corp (a goon corp), they are a figment of the API's imagination.
And Hulkageddon, another goon treat, that never happened.
Nor the ice interdictions, nor the weekend attack in Jita.

And of course, the new AI that will totally wipe out drones as PVE platform, that will have no effect on high sec.

A good laywer, or in this case, null sec propagandist, should never ask a question he does not already know the answer to.
You are clearly bad at both.

This is definitely what CCP should be encouraging.

I'm surprised marketing hasn't latched on to it.

I see a distinct lack of child and spousal abuse in that bit.

Strawman much?
I don't recall finding Null Sec PvP profitable. Ok, maybe if all you do is massive blob warfare where your opponent has no chance to even fight back you might make a profit in 'just' PvP.
As for the 'two dozen people in destroyers'.... LMAO.
A single rifter took half my tank off in a Tanked Retriever.
Hulks got what, maybe a 5% buff base? If that much.
Macks got about a 25% buff above hulks from what I saw.

So..... if you don't fit a tank on them but go for max yield, you need maybe 1 more destroyer for a hulk or mack than you used to.
Or are you complaining because..... they are actually fitting tanks onto hulks & macks now?

I'm not the one who keeps repeating "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec"...

Oh, I see that this has devolved into another miner qq thread. My apologies.

Yep, like the 'How to Get Rid of a Decent Portion of the Playerbase' problem.

In relative to nulsec ratting, hisec ratting is fine. Considering that there are places in nulsec where ratting is virtually a risk-free, isk-printing operation, I don't even understand how anyone can take the claim that hisec ratting is unbalanced seriously. If it were really that EASY and LUCRATIVE, everyone would be doing it.

Moving 3s and 4s out of hisec is not only a stupid solution, its also a transparent attempt at implementing a system of entitlement to those too lazy or cowardly to find fights on their own. Eve is not a welfare state,

Militant miner?

oxymoron

I'm calmer than a lake on a windless day. I'm just trying to get Jorma to stop lying and for once GÇö just once, even if it's only accidentally and completely unintentionally GÇö to say something that is actually true.

I don't particularly see how it's rude to ask him to stick to reality instead of constantly injecting his feverish dreams as a (lack of) support for whatever nonsense he wish to dribble todayGǪ

The fact that I have enough knowledge about the game to know that he's lying is exactly why I'm trying to make him utter at least a syllable of truth.

People come here and post threads like these for what purpose? What is the hidden agenda? Part of the problem is most players donGÇÖt want fair competition.

This was never more so obvious by all the tears from all the school yard bullies when the exhumer buffs hit.

ItGÇÖs not about risk vs. reward itGÇÖs about CCP removing their easy kills. If these people wanted real competition they would stay in low and null space and have their fun. If these places are so much damn fun why are they so determined to drag players from hi-sec into their space? If low/null is so much damn fun then why are they killing miners in hi-sec and not having fair competition with each other in low/null? They donGÇÖt want fair competition they just want easy kills.

Part of the problem is almost everyone and their brother are alliance in null. They have nothing to do so now they feel they need to get the easy targets from hi-sec to their own fracked up space that they themselves have created. Clean up your own yard before you come to sheet in mine.

People that have established themselves in low/null want a lot from hi-sec people that are happy with what they have. You canGÇÖt force people to play the way you want, if these people want to try low/null then they will. If they donGÇÖt then they wonGÇÖt. DoesnGÇÖt get much simpler than that.

Low/null players have fracked up their own space donGÇÖt let em frack up hi-sec. You guys gate camp and kill players that try to come thru and all for what? A few easy kills. You have made your bed now sleep in it.


People want to have their cake and eat it too. They want their easy kills and they donGÇÖt others to have the ability to make money. You chose null/low no one forces you stay, no one forces you to keep that second account going in high sec to fund you losses, no one forces you to play the way you choose to play.


Bottom line is you guys have fracked up and exploited your own space till its sheet to be part of so now you feel the need to do the same to hi-sec. Good luck because if or when you get your way I wonGÇÖt have any part of it.

I'm still waiting for an actual justification for the introduction of risk for hi-sec miners from the "would love nothing more than to gank the miners for lolz" crowd in this topic.

If they AFK mine enough... they will have 0 risk with 0 profit/reward to match..... I don't see the issue here....

I didn't see those profits, ever. Profit from T1 ship manufacturing has been same for as long as I can remember.

And removal of meta 0 loot, drone stuff and banning bots didn't affect prices in any way?

Seriously? Most of the materials came from drone regions.

What's your point? You keep arguing random and contradictory things (mostly false). What are you trying to prove?

I agree with pretty much all of these points. Anchored cans are completely useless now, due to the Mining Barge-buff, and since they're friggin' ugly, they should be legal targets to anyone. It would also solve the problem with people littering stargates and stations with those ugly things (seriously. Occasionally, my computer takes up to 10 seconds to load a system because of the stupid cans, and that's with a very high-speed internet connection). Let players destroy the cans without being CONCORDed.

Easier just to let us smartbomb the useless junk I think than to tie ISK or fuel costs to anchoring them.

Also, allowing us to smartbomb them makes sense based on the role they fill. The containers can be physically shot with other weapons, but not by smartbombs.

It makes no sense at all.

I'm touched.

In a topic hoping to come up with solid ideas to add risk to and ruin a profession many of the participants in here shun or wouldn't be caught dead doing anyway... always demanding that hi-sec mining profits get nerfed in accordance with its lack of risk... we have gems who care about the profit of said profession.

/sarcasm.

And all the bots was actually grand... more minerals on the supply side of the market, lower prices... cheaper ships, cheaper pew pew... so again.... I'm not seeing the bright side of changing that....

Working as intended. The devs clearly stated recently that suicide ganking ships like miners was never intended to be profitable.

Ganking a lone freighter hauling very valuable goods may be. Ganking a PVE pimpboat may be.

But it wasn't intended to be. It's a sandbox - so you certainly have the freedom to incur the loss of ISK and standing you will suffer to gank a miner. But you seem to be complaining that it's not profitable. It's not DESIGNED TO BE! Never was.

Gankers can't make a profit - EVERYBODY ELSE is doing fine.....

Can we get links or quotes? That's interesting information.

I don't know the forum rules on this. Can we talk about bot authors' and users' opinions of game mechanics?

Darth

WHO CARES if an ice miner gets his profits driven down? God only knows how much ice is mined because it's NEEDED, not sold.

And "runaway supply" will have it's OWN effect on miners if it "drives down his profits" so much that he can't mine profitably.

We don't sink oil tankers bud - it's controlled by the producers.

In Oz, iron ore took a tumble, the iron ore mines curbed production. Price is coming back up. Mines re-open. No tanks, guns or external intervention was ever used or needed.

It's a FREE market. Artifical intervention is bad mmm..kk...

We only have emus in Australia. Wasn't aware of ostriches in yours.

Theres plenty of risk in hisec

You can be wardecced
You can be ganked
You can get a socket error mid-mission

all working as intended.





edit
cept the last one, i doubt ccp do that deliberately ...

Not on topic, but are there any Guardian-Vexxors even left? Last I heard was 2 left, but that seemed like years ago.

he missed/ignored the edit comment at bottom re socket errors

Show me where CCP says this is a PVP ONLY game.

You can put up smokescreen after smokescreen, bottom line is you nullersare bored and you want some easy targets. Bottom, F'ing, Line. Miners in HS are like raw steaks and you're (alleged) Lions behind 8 inch thick glass. Go ahead and implement these changes and watch the numbers plummet.

Advertising the PVP element is not the same as it being a PVP Game.

If it were a PVP game,we wouldn't have you guys here bitching about how CCP is stifling PVP against Highsec PVE'ers now would we.

See how the OP's OWN POST destroys this argument???


(Checkmate, I'm unsubbed from this thread,you guys sit here and whine all day).

KP

Oh wait.....

amiright?