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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:07:00 -
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Having seen some screenies posted on the fourms here somewhere, it's fairly safe to say that the Stealth Bombers are not even remotely adjusted yet to account for the months and months they sat in limbo.
This thread was started for us, the players, to discuss what we'd like the Stealth Bombers to be, or at least, what we'd expect them to be, to prevent 30 billion topics from starting or popping up every day. If a mod would be as so kind as to stiky this, that'd be great. 
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TomB
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:22:00 -
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screenies lie, there are no stealth bombers 
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:29:00 -
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From what I can see, the Stealth Bombers will be based on the following hulls:
Kestrel (Calderi)
Tristan (Gallente)
Inquisitor (Amarr)
Breecher (Minmatar)
Why? They're all the racial T1 Missile frigs with the bonuses to go with it.
Being Gallente, but also flying Calderi, I'm only going to speculate on those to races...
We know the name of the Calderi Bomber is the Manticore, as that was what was seen on Singularity.
Manticore:
5 launcher slots (Kestral has ALWAYS had more launchers than any other race frig)
3 mid slots
2 lows
Not sure what kind of CPU/grid would be fair, so I'll leave that be. That's something for the BH/player testers to find out.
I'd expect some nice overall resistances, mainly on the shields, but not like an Assault Frig's. Bombers aught to be tough, but not superfrig or cruiser tough. In fact, they should be harder to kill than the T1 version, easier to kill then Assault frigs, but tougher than a ceptor.
Bombers aught to have some special ability, perhaps the ability to mount heavy launchers? Or maybe reduced reload time? maybe we should consider the name "Stealth Bomber" and get a sig reduction bonus..like the ceptors have.
What I'd like to see in the Gallente ship...
4 hi slots, 3 launcher and 2 turret slots.
2 mids
4 lows
Again, same as the rest of the bombers for durability, just with armor in mind instead of shields.
*slightly* increased drone capacity also, maybe enough for 2 more light or 1 more medium drone.
I haven't flown the other two hulls I mentioned above..anyone have an ideas?
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ticondrius on 16/03/2005 17:33:22
Edited by: Ticondrius on 16/03/2005 17:32:35
Uhh..yeah. Knock yourself out TomB. 
Manticore Screenie and Stats..DEFINATELY NOT FINAL!
Please note this screenshot was taken yesterday.
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TomB
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:32:00 -
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stop listening to this man, he is clearly a lunatic
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NoNameNewbie
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Ticondrius
From what I can see, the Stealth Bombers will be based on the following hulls:
Kestrel (Calderi)
Tristan (Gallente)
Inquisitor (Amarr)
Breecher (Minmatar)
OMG why all the ugly ships ?? :/
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:36:00 -
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Bombers are not typically pretty ships. :) That's usually reserved for Fighters.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:42:00 -
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 Did i see that sensor strength right
Darwin 4tw
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:48:00 -
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Yeah, you did...though as I said, that thing is still just a placeholder. I'm not sure if the Devs have a solid plan for the Bombers yet eve.
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Odin Tahmorrex
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:58:00 -
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Ok, let's back up a bit...
Form follows Function. We've been discussing all over these boards what they'll look like, and what they'll have on them... but before we can discern that, we need to figure out what the hell they are for!!! What function does a (stealth) bomber need to carry out in the terms of the larger picture of EVE? What is it's primary target?
Bottom line- what do we want this ship to do (that another ship can't already do)?
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:05:00 -
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Alpha strike weapons.
"Wha??" you ask? Simple.. Bombers can last long enough to get off 1, possibly 2 volley of some really high damaging weaponry. After that, drones, other frigs, or other anti-frig defenses would fry them, if unescorted.
Basically they'd fly in, and hit hard quickly..probably not enough to kill a BShip, enough to probably cripple a cruiser (in groups). Then run as fast as they can, and let the main fleet deliver the final blow. Instead of tacklers, thanks to the...nerfing? Boosting?...of EW, we now have bombers that beat down the target to a degree before the rest of the fleet warps in and finishes it off.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:26:00 -
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My hunch on Stealth Bombers:
They can target immediately after uncloaking.
Another possibility is that they can fire while cloaked, but I doubt that is the case.
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius
Edited by: Ticondrius on 16/03/2005 17:33:22
Edited by: Ticondrius on 16/03/2005 17:32:35
Uhh..yeah. Knock yourself out TomB.
Manticore Screenie and Stats..DEFINATELY NOT FINAL!
Please note this screenshot was taken yesterday.
EDIT: TomB is stalking me!
but omg, look at the targeting range!
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Foreman Prospero
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Arud
Originally by: Ticondrius
Edited by: Ticondrius on 16/03/2005 17:33:22
Edited by: Ticondrius on 16/03/2005 17:32:35
Uhh..yeah. Knock yourself out TomB.
Manticore Screenie and Stats..DEFINATELY NOT FINAL!
Please note this screenshot was taken yesterday.
EDIT: TomB is stalking me!
but omg, look at the targeting range!
from this, i'd guess that instead of having the ability to use oversized ammo like cruise missiles, rather they'll have ship bonuses to missile velocity, be able to effectively snipe from 60km+ with missiles perhaps? and outpace interceptors?
and of course this is all without taking into account the missile changes, so all may become clear when they are released...
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MachineMk2
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: MachineMk2 on 16/03/2005 19:01:57
Edited by: MachineMk2 on 16/03/2005 18:53:15
I'd be unhappy if these ships were basically Buzzards w/ more launcher slots.
My hope is that these ships will be given either rockets with massive damage bonuses or "bombs" (very short range...maybe 1km and torp+ damage).
Make them HAVE to use their stealth characteristics. Give them a short cloak cycle time bonus (15-20 reactivation delay instead of 30). And make it so they can kill pretty much anything (maybe 2 or 3 to guarentee a battleship), but from 1km or less, thus making it so they have to get in close while cloaked and attack their target. A range of 1km would make it so they would have to make at least SOME approach while uncloaked. Also, they should have little in the way of armor/shields (about what a regular frig should have).
Or possibly smartbombs (as mentioned in the other thread). :D
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magneto
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:11:00 -
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are these the same ships on the log in screen? Looks like we got nothing new here but the ability to fly them.
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Istvan F
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: magneto
are these the same ships on the log in screen? Looks like we got nothing new here but the ability to fly them.
Huh? Those ships on the login screen are Gallente Destroyers.
Are you kiddin me or what? 
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Carmen Priano
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:40:00 -
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Even if the Stealth Bombers aren't the end-all and be-all, I'm going to love it if/when CCP extrapolates out to cruiser and BS classes. ;) Hopefully they'll get on it, soon...
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Mr M
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:42:00 -
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I'd put my money on a missile speed and/or flight time bonus.
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Neurotic Cat
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:44:00 -
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OMG OMG!!! Tristan is the best looking ship in the game. The tech 2 version will have to have the best paint job in the game.
It must be BLUE!! bright Blue! or maybe yellow. But not dark! bright happy colors!
Are you listening to me Tom B?? Bright Blue Tristan 4tW!!!!
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BigJim Beef
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Posted - 2005.03.16 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Neurotic Cat
OMG OMG!!! Tristan is the best looking ship in the game. The tech 2 version will have to have the best paint job in the game.
It must be BLUE!! bright Blue! or maybe yellow. But not dark! bright happy colors!
Are you listening to me Tom B?? Bright Blue Tristan 4tW!!!!
I'm betting on red like the Ares and Enyo 
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Naito
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Posted - 2005.03.16 20:47:00 -
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There have been screenshots of a Red "Missile Belly" Tristan in the past, which looked pretty damn awesome.
But yeah, I'd put my money on a range bonus.
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ManOfHonor
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Posted - 2005.03.16 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: ManOfHonor on 16/03/2005 20:51:05
Originally by: TomB
screenies lie, there are no stealth bombers Surprised
ofcourse their arnt...
Originally by: TomB
stop listening to this man, he is clearly a lunatic
yes sir, of course sir...
w the screenies- 375 scan res.... WTF!? 6 locked targets- WTF!?
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Shidhe
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Posted - 2005.03.16 21:07:00 -
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The whole point of a stealth bomber is that you dont expect it!!!!!
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Odin Tahmorrex
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Posted - 2005.03.16 21:18:00 -
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Well i wouldn't expect a caracal with a kestrel with a cloak either... so where's the REAL bonus?
i'm not saying I don't welcome these ships, I just want them to be really unique, like not having any turret slots at all- and somebody suggested that they are the first in, first out type of ship. Makes sense to me. Oddly, seems like the kestrel's of old, when you could load cm's 1 at a time into launchers. God i miss that- a swarm of kestrels all firing at once pretty much spelled doom for all kinds of ships. DAMNED MISSILE NERF!!! |
renegade leader
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Posted - 2005.03.16 21:37:00 -
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hmmm what would i expect from a stealth bomber.....lets see....hmmmm. I would like to see decent bonuses towards either damage caused by various bombs. like maybe somewhere between 10% to 20%, shortened reuse times, a min of 4 to 6 high slots. 5 med and 5 low slots. As for stealth. hmmm, a very low signature. possibly smaller that the interceptors. a bonus of sometype for cloaks. like full speed and / or the ability to fire weapons while cloaked or allow it to use the covert op cloak. 
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.03.16 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: BigJim Beef
I'm betting on red like the Ares and Enyo
A red Tristan. Mmmmm. It... must... be... mine....
Who cares what the stats are. It's, like, a red Tristan!
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Dutchpowercow
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Posted - 2005.03.16 21:54:00 -
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Make them able to cloack at any given time when firing missiles. But have a cool down of 10 minutes or so.
So they could shoot, lets say, light missiles with a range and dmg bonus.
Lonely ship vs stealth bomber:
Stealth bomber flies in un-seen or expected, un-cloacks, fires as many volleys possible and as soon as it starts taking too much dmg or see's it gets locked, it cloacks again, rendering it useless for a good amount of time.
This way it can do a hit and run attack without exploiting its 'insta cloack' ability. Making it a ship that can do a set amount of dmg, "volley of X amount of missiles", before other ships/fleet goes in and delivers killing blow.
Ofcourse, you could pick of small ships very sneaky aswell! 
Hmmm, maybe this cow should just stick with "proccesing" grass.... 
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H0ot
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Posted - 2005.03.16 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: H0ot on 16/03/2005 22:07:54
Anyone got screeny's of the breacher?
I <3 Breachy's.
Oh, and my guess is that they will just be another novelty class ships with no real role in PvP, much like Covert Ops.
Why pay millions of ISK for a frigate at the risk of losing it to bugs and exploits, when an alt in a shuttle will provide just as much intel, and doesn't cost a dime?
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iconoclast
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Posted - 2005.03.16 22:05:00 -
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Look, this is serious stuff here. We already have green with the Ishkur/Ishtar and red with the Ares/Enyo. Though to be honest the Enyo red is a bit to dark for me.
It's time for change! Blue! (allthough a shiny racing yellow would be ok too...)
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