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Neveren
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Posted - 2005.03.20 01:34:00 -
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*snip*
In a "Confidential" GM transcript I was told by GM's that they were unable to help me track the thief even after they had once. but they said i need to use "ingame tools" to track the corp thief.
My question is. What are these ingame tools?
thats all.. just wondering where they are so i can use them.
Edited - Wrangler
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.03.20 01:38:00 -
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many of the GMs don't actually play the game and just follow the manuals and stuff.
There are no such game tools to speak off. Bottom line is that without GM/CCP intervention, the theif gets away clean
Scamming is part of the game, they say. But considering the magnitude of your problem, it'd be nice if CCP made an exception and returned the goods. They could make a story about how CONCORD officials caught the guy and stuff.. it'd be a good event and make the game seem more alive.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.03.20 01:47:00 -
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Dont give out ******* access to any old corp member. at most have 3 people with access. Limits thieves a lot.
Edited, do not bypass the profanity filter - Wrangler
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Super Cow
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Posted - 2005.03.20 02:04:00 -
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the second there is more then the owner of the bpo who has access to the bpo you are at risk of theft.
if you do not want it to get stolen then do not let anyone else get any access to the bpo.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.20 02:27:00 -
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The tools are -
*access levels for corp members
*evemails from ejecting
*your brain
I'm guessing you're just missing one of the above.
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MrFu
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Posted - 2005.03.20 02:30:00 -
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There are location agents which you can use to track people down(altho they are not very accurate).
In case you dont know the identity of the thief,theres nothing you can do Im afraid 
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Ibobah'k Chisaraj
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Posted - 2005.03.20 02:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Face Lifter
many of the GMs don't actually play the game and just follow the manuals and stuff.
uh-huh!?
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2005.03.20 03:20:00 -
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Also secure log container. is the last powerfull tool...
But since you lost the bpii, you were probably not paranoiac enough...
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2005.03.20 07:35:00 -
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if someone ejected the bpo from the labs to steal it then whomever originally had placed it into reserach should've received an eve-mail stating it was ejected & who ejected it.
leastways it always used to be thataways.
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2005.03.20 08:53:00 -
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They should add some humens into CONCORD..
We should be able to contact them on matters like this, and they will try to investigate the matter, and give you some info if they can.. Also give sec standing hits..
Also if people submit "fake" reports, they should get fined or loose sec standing, to stop people from wasting CONCORDS time..
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
The tools are -
*access levels for corp members
*evemails from ejecting
*your brain
I'm guessing you're just missing one of the above.
None of these allow you to track, find and deal with the thief.
These only help in preventing crime.
Once a crime has happened, there should be some way of tracking/dealing with the criminal.
Someone flicks a projectile off your shield, causing you 0 loss, CONCORD steps and and bbqs them.
Someone steals billions apon billions of ISK from you, and CONCORD sits there in the donut shop going 'ho hum, diddems to you'
Sure doesnt sound quite right to me.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.03.20 09:45:00 -
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Something like that would definitely be a step in right direction. Some kind of court system, some kind of police system.
Only problem is that it would get flooded with cases. The people in charge could just pick important ones out.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 20/03/2005 09:50:01
Originally by: Face Lifter
Something like that would definitely be a step in right direction. Some kind of court system, some kind of police system.
Only problem is that it would get flooded with cases. The people in charge could just pick important ones out.
We tried this in Jumpgate, and dispite hours apon hours worth of planning and effort behind it, it still had 1 problem to it...
Players whined about it, started petitions about it, untill it became a bigger problem than the crime it was trying to deal with.
There must be some way in game matters like this can be dealt with...
Take the example of a Credit Card, it is your responsibility to ensure the safety of it, BUT, if you are robbed, and $$$$$ are stolen from it, the banks and the police can investigate the matter to find out who the theif was.
Some way of giving players power against thiefs AFTER the fact, needs to be implimented.
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Question2
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Posted - 2005.03.20 10:34:00 -
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There are no ingame tools.The GMs have,once again,demonstrated that referring to a sheet of standardized response fails completely as opposed to actually playing the game and knowing WTF you are talking about.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.20 10:37:00 -
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The only thing we need is logging of who took what.
No policing, no 3rd parties giving back bpo's.
Just logs.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Taize
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Posted - 2005.03.20 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Taize on 20/03/2005 10:50:36
"Scamming is part of the game, they say. But considering the magnitude of your problem, it'd be nice if CCP made an exception and returned the goods. They could make a story about how CONCORD officials caught the guy and stuff.. it'd be a good event and make the game seem more alive."....thats Quoting Face Lifter above...
...the answer to that is no...if your dumb enough to give someone you dont know hnagr access then you are asking for it...
personally all i can say to our bpo-less friend is 'wtfpwnd' in your case on all fronts...its game mechanics...get over it 
Can you ******* imagine what would happen if CCP made an exception??...can you imagine the amount of flak they would get because they said ok to this guy and then denied the next person justice/return of items...its stupid to say that CCP should make an exception because imho it would just show favouritism to people who lose stuff witha big price...in fairness...a n00b might have a rifter bpo in his hangar and it might be stolen and after that he is broke and has nothing to make...is his case any less important?...the answer to that is no...
Edited, please do not bypass the profanity filer - Wrangler
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Dau Imperius
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
None of these allow you to track, find and deal with the thief.
These only help in preventing crime.
Once a crime has happened, there should be some way of tracking/dealing with the criminal.
Someone flicks a projectile off your shield, causing you 0 loss, CONCORD steps and and bbqs them.
Someone steals billions apon billions of ISK from you, and CONCORD sits there in the donut shop going 'ho hum, diddems to you'
Sure doesnt sound quite right to me.
Amen Wormy.
He's pretty much typed what I would have tried to.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Neveren
In a "Confidential" GM transcript I was told by GM's that they were unable to help me track the thief even after they had once. but they said i need to use "ingame tools" to track the corp thief.
Glad to see that the GM's stopped helping you cheat.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:09:00 -
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Allow a BPO to be "signed" by the owner/owner corp. Then include tools in game to track the BPO by the signature. Does nothing to insure the return of the BPO, but it allows the rightful owner to track who stole it, who they gave it to, who then sold it to someone else, who then transferred it to an alt... etc.
The thief could sign the BPO as well allowing him to track his signature maybe. Make the tracking an agent service, high cost, whatever.
My 0.02 ISK.
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assclown
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:42:00 -
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Just come up with a blockade type deal. i.e. "if you get robbed you can declare piracy against that individual. Then for a weekly fee you can attack the individual with no penalty from concord. And the player shouldn't be able to join a corp until either you can't pay fee or you individual pays you back for losses". or something of that sort would be a good fair way to make people think twice about stealing you goods.
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2005.03.20 15:30:00 -
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If it were possible to find out who did it using "ingame" means... it would add a new front to the game. I would certainly like the abillity to track who a thief is, and locate and destroy them till they quit the game :) But thats just me.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.20 15:49:00 -
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Sadly there is no real way to protect stuff short of completely limiting access. Discorporation is right though with his assessment we just need logs. If there was a better way to track stuff from the hangars themselves versus only the secure logging "station containers" we could do this.
I don't really see the problem with CCP telling a corp WHO the thief is. If Eve is supposed to be a game of consequences then there needs to be that option. At least until we have the ingame tools to find out ourselves.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.03.20 16:30:00 -
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Ideally there would be agents who could provide you logs for a price (and the right faction). Would be nice to see agents who can give you wallet transactions too. That way you can track monies that were stolen by alts and/or find out who the industrial alts of certain corps are so you can wage war on them.
Conversely.....require Real Life information for high level access to bpo's and such. Such info is relatively easy to confirm (if you know how) and provides TRUE knowledge on who you are working with in your corp. In reality, a T2 BPO is MONTHS of Real Life work to be able acquire - knowing who you are actually dealing with is not too much to ask.
I think knowing someones real name, address, and info would be a STRONG deterrent to stealing the corp blind. If they don't want to provide it, hey no problem. They will just be limited to basic corp hanger access. And if they aren't willing to trust you with thier true identity....well why would you be willing to trust them with hundreds of hours worth of work (t2 bpo value). I don't like it, but with no way of tracking who takes what, or what alt gave what to whom, what other choice is there?
The 13 year olds who think it's fun to steal hours and hours of work from someone may think twice when they know that a couple very ticked off corpmates may be waiting to pick them up afterschool to "chat" with them about it. 
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Naver
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:01:00 -
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*snip*
I wrote to the gm and asked him 1 thing.
Do you think Stealing is ok.
his responce.
"Yes"
im going to go cry now. Just the end of a ****ty week. if the corp survives this. expect war declarations on corps who end up buying our Bpos as we will hunt you down till we get them back. even if we have no clue who stole them.. Accepting Stolen goods is a crime to!.
Edited - Wrangler
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Naver
*snip*
I wrote to the gm and asked him 1 thing.
Do you think Stealing is ok.
his responce.
"Yes"
im going to go cry now. Just the end of a ****ty week. if the corp survives this. expect war declarations on corps who end up buying our Bpos as we will hunt you down till we get them back. even if we have no clue who stole them.. Accepting Stolen goods is a crime to!.
Edited - Wrangler
*points and laughs*
I would give Archbishop's left arm to score a robbery like this.
GL crying yourself to sleep in the fetal position Naver.
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Chavok
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Posted - 2005.03.20 18:02:00 -
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yet another thread full of trashtalk and trolling...
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Hilabana
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Posted - 2005.03.20 18:02:00 -
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gee i hope what ever person that has rob you they trash all the T2 BPO's lol
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Posted - 2005.03.20 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hobbsalong
If it were possible to find out who did it using "ingame" means... it would add a new front to the game. I would certainly like the abillity to track who a thief is, and locate and destroy them till they quit the game :) But thats just me.
Great idea actually, bounty hunters get a new area (one that works better), us industrialists get to sleep easy in our pods knowing that the thief is resting very uneasily in his, allows the possibility of blood feuds and vendettas (not sure how good that would be for game balance but it's great from an RP point of view). Not sure I'd want to drive anyone to quit (except those frackwits who smacktalk in local as they dive from safespot to safespot) but teh rest of it is a good idea.
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Requim Overlord
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Posted - 2005.03.20 19:23:00 -
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They could make it a feature on security agents to track corp thieves. They could tie it to standing of corp to that NPC corp and help 'investigate' who stole from corp hangars. The higher the standing, the quicker the investigation.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.20 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Maya Rkell
The tools are -
*access levels for corp members
*evemails from ejecting
*your brain
I'm guessing you're just missing one of the above.
None of these allow you to track, find and deal with the thief.
Er.
Your brain is a help.
Knowing who might have done it is a help.
Knowing who ejected the BP is a help.
You seem to be missing one/all of the above too.
They can help AFTER, but I agree they're better BEFORE. If you don't screw up, Corp Theft won't happen.
And there are plenty of things you can do AFTER. Can I suggest location agents and a recurring county on their corpse and pod killmails?
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
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