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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 23:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Maya Rkell
Your brain is a help.
Knowing who might have done it is a help.
Knowing who ejected the BP is a help.
You said it right there...
Knowing who might have done it is a help.
With the current in game features, this is all you will ever find out, who MAY be a theif.
None of these tool provide you with any proof of who the theif is, they only give you places to start guessing and as we all know, assumption is the mother of all ****ups.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.03.21 06:23:00 -
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I'm guessing that the thief took the BPO from the corp hangar with access that you gave him. If that's the case, he didn't commit a crime at all. You just need to be more careful with who you give access out to.
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Elissen
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Posted - 2005.03.21 08:51:00 -
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The one thing in EVE that I can not understand is the not providing the access logs to corp hangars to players and the policy where GM's won't tell you who took something. In all efforts to make EVE "realistic" this is where it totally fails.
Not to mention the other downside of it; there is also no way to prove you were innocent...
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Darkwolf on 21/03/2005 09:41:17
Frankly, CCP's policy of permitting grief play on such a massive scale sucks. It only succeeds in driving people out of the game, and does nothing good for the game.
Now I got that out of my system, the idea about being able to sign BPOs is a damn good one. Gives people the ability to track a BPO through the universe, and then take matters into their own hands in dealing with people who take acquisition of it.
No harder to implement than a player's employment history, and would go a LONG way to helping people help themselves.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:50:00 -
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Well, my opinion is that CCP panders to any corp thief, as they provide ISK sinks to keep the game balanced, in their opinion.
In the world of RL, important areas are covered by security cameras, so WHO did the act should be the easiest thing to find out. I feel that any items taken from a corp controlled hanger by anyone not with Directors ability should not be allowed to be sold or given away to another, as an alt.
Why can a thief place any stolen item on the market? Stolen items should not be allowed to be sold openly, perhaps using the Criminal Connections skill, the thief would have to find a 'fence' to sell the items at, and transport them. He would only get a fraction of the value though as would be expected.
If CCP wants corp thieves, let the thief need specialized skills to succede. Treat it as another career choice rather than just allowing blatant theft and sale of items. Make the would be thief train many skills, as everyone else needs to do, to be able to successully pull a job off without repricussions.
My final question goes out to CCP. If I station 50 Marines in a corp hanger, how is it a thief can steal items? :)
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Rangars Uncle
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Posted - 2005.03.21 11:56:00 -
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Hey,
forget about that BPO. CCP is working on much more important things, like balancing some lasers or so.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.03.21 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
My final question goes out to CCP. If I station 50 Marines in a corp hanger, how is it a thief can steal items? :)
My way would be to introduce 50 damsells in distress or 'dancers' to distract the marines :)
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.03.21 13:13:00 -
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On a related note, wouldn't it be good for all who have donated into a bounty to receive a copy of the killmail when the bounty is claimed?
Just springed to my mind.
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Galadiin Venyaa
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Posted - 2005.03.21 13:33:00 -
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Question... Even if you find him... The best you can do is kill and pod him. Or even kill and pod his whole corp, but your bpo's will still be lost and he's under no obligation to give them back?
Doesn't sound right...
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2005.03.21 13:54:00 -
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since the Blueprint Lockdown is on the feature list of Exodus, cant you just petition it and tell them its bugged? 
..what do you mean its not implemented yet?
its on the feature list.. right?
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Galadiin Venyaa
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Posted - 2005.03.21 14:32:00 -
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Brilliant Alta!
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.03.21 16:02:00 -
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Agree with Disco.
Just release the name of who took it, the players can handle it from there.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.03.21 17:27:00 -
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This is the sort of situation where tagging something as stolen would be a great feature. I'm thinking along the lines of the "signatures" above, but maybe a slightly wider functionality.
Say each item in the game can have an "owner" identity attached to it. The owner can be an individual, corp, or alliance, and costs a small fee to register the item as signed. If it's an individual, only that individual can change the signature data and use the item with station services etc. If it's a corp or alliance, make "signature control" a new role. Any member of the corp/alliance can use the item without penalty, but only those with the signature management role can sign/unsign items. All items must be unsigned before they can be sold on the market.
The original signee gets a new tab in their wallet listing registered signatures. They can use this to report a signature as stolen. At that point, customs starts looking for that signature and gives a range of responses, depending on how much the signee pays. For a small fee, it would be low-level....say, an evemail to the signee every time customs spots it, with details of who, where and when (maybe make this limited to a consolidated mail every hour if spammage becomes a problem). For higher fees, customs could be paid to pursue and retrieve the stolen item. But these fees should be so high that it wouldn't make sense to do for any but the most valuable items.
Obviously, we would then need skills on the dark-side...signature masking to hide stolen items from customs (or maybe link with smuggling when that gets in), some way to fence/de-sign etc, that, while possible, should be difficult, time consuming, and involve some expense.
The eventual aim I'm thinking of is for the thief to have a chance of thieving and fencing the goods, but make sure it takes long enough for the victim to have a chance of chasing down the trail and at least attempting to get the stuff back/get back at the thief. Tagging the item, rather than the thief would also stop the problem of passing the stolen goods through numerous alts. Charging for the signatures would also mean that only really valuable stuff would get signed - people would hardly sign every round of ammunition!
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.03.21 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
many of the GMs don't actually play the game and just follow the manuals and stuff.
There are no such game tools to speak off. Bottom line is that without GM/CCP intervention, the theif gets away clean
Scamming is part of the game, they say. But considering the magnitude of your problem, it'd be nice if CCP made an exception and returned the goods. They could make a story about how CONCORD officials caught the guy and stuff.. it'd be a good event and make the game seem more alive.
Why should CCP replace his loss? Isn't he the one that gave the thief access. I mean give me a break and cry me a river. That is why they call it getting robbed.
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Naverin
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Posted - 2005.03.21 18:07:00 -
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I gave no one access. I have recently been handed the reigns of the corp due to directors and ceo's taking breaks for RL issues.
Maybe im a fool for not going over security when i was given command. Maybe I should be drug out back and hit with a shovel for being a fool and actually "Trusting" friends ive made playing this game..
Maybe i should go play a 1 player game that doesnt require player interaction..and live in my basement for the rest of my life shunting off human interaction :/
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.03.21 18:20:00 -
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Why should CCP replace his loss? Isn't he the one that gave the thief access. I mean give me a break and cry me a river. That is why they call it getting robbed.
And where is the justice in the world of EVE? Why are thieves and scammers justified, while the victims are laughed at and accused of being retards?
You know what makes any society great? 2 things, freedom and security. By itself, freedom does not imply security. A bad guy is free to do dirty deeds, gangs in Sudan are free to kill each other all they want. Likewise, security does not imply freedom. More security typically means less freedom.
Do you want all EVE companies to be run with ****-like security and paranoia? What's the point of having a company where only the CEO controls everything and nobody else can be trusted?
What kind of society does not protect its constituents against theft and financial scams? Only those ravaged by war and genocide.
Sure, piracy and stuff is acceptable in a game, if it takes skill, if it takes work, if there is risk involved. Where's the risk of opening your corp hangar, seeing someone's careless error of putting extremely valuable goods and taking them? where's risk? where's work?
You think the guy who took those BPOs actually worked to pull it off? no, he just got lucky, or just decided to go bad on whim.
GMs can act as police. They won't catch everyone, hardly, but they can "solve" some cases. They could even punish people for such theft, maybe with bad security standing and a fine. That would make people think twice. And then if someone does pull off a robbery and gets away with it clean, then it could be something remotely respectable.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.03.21 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 21/03/2005 18:26:31
Originally by: Discorporation
The only thing we need is logging of who took what.
No policing, no 3rd parties giving back bpo's.
Just logs.
Audit log secure containers?
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Cap'n NoBeard
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Posted - 2005.03.21 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Audit log secure containers?
Can't they bypass that by just taking the whole container in that case? 
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2005.03.21 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cap'n NoBeard
Can't they bypass that by just taking the whole container in that case?
Not unless you've given them Take Container access to that hangar.
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Threat
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:50:00 -
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Random seed has now posted a new auction for your Sig Amp BPO. Just an FYI
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