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Soratah
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Posted - 2005.03.20 10:59:00 -
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Greetings all and advanced apologies, this is not a flame post or a rant against GM's just a statement to gauge reaction from other players..
We found a suitable location with rich mineral deposits. An ideal site for construction of a POS to mine the resources.
But upon arriving at the location, another corp had placed several secure cans in orbit. When attempting to deploy and anchor the initial foundations of the station we are stopped with a "can not deploy because of close proximity to an item --- km away."
Obviously this was annoying, we're not sure if the corp or owner is still around game and may not be able to contact them. Destruction of the cans will cause a sec hit and possible war. Also, our last alternitive was to petition as an exploit.
Which to our dismay was met with a "We do not consider this an exploit at this time and can not do anything about it." and "we're looking into the problem and our devs assure us they're working to try and fix this."
Currently it seems that policy is to leave things like this alone.
What are your thoughts people? Should this be considered an exploit?
Regards
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:04:00 -
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Just a couple of general suggestions, as I've never tried to deploy a Control Tower:
Don't secure cans tell you who the owners are? Failing that, could you not just fit an MWD, move about 500km from the cans and bookmark this location as a place to anchor your POS?
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 20/03/2005 11:06:19 "What are your thoughts people? Should this be considered an exploit?"
no because they got there first and anchored a strucutre, i don't think you need ot be at warp in point though to anchor a station you can move away frotm eh can and anchor as long as your within a certain distance form the planet still.
you can also pay some mercanries to declare war and take the cans out.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:06:00 -
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Personally I think its a bit stupid to allow secure cans to interfere with POS anchoring.
Needs to be an exception to the rule where you can anchor a POS even if theres a secure can too close. The secure can owners simply lose access to the can unless they ask the POS owners very nicely
Failing that, the GMs should remove the can.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:12:00 -
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no way.. they secured their can there, it's THEIR can.
Either
1. Destroy it 2. Get the person to remove it
this should not be considered an exploit and it should not be removed for any reason by a GM. I'd be ****ed if they did this to one of my cans.. what if I wanted to hold a moon for a short period? or what if it was an ammo dump for me? the reason doesn't matter, it's my can and it's there for a reason.
"Oh, this corp has a can in front of a gate and I get stuck on it every time I go through, could you please remove it?"
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:13:00 -
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A secure container either of your Corporation or of any other corporation can not be within the force field. That would mean you cant anchor the Controltwoer withing 30km to any secure cargo container. As you can anchor a POS within 100 km to the Jump In Point you should be able to find a spot wich is at least 30 km from every secure can.
If it still doesn't work. Bring 30 Apocs and blow the secure contis into dust (Might take some hours.... days... weeks...^^)
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Mikesnail
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy Personally I think its a bit stupid to allow secure cans to interfere with POS anchoring.
Needs to be an exception to the rule where you can anchor a POS even if theres a secure can too close. The secure can owners simply lose access to the can unless they ask the POS owners very nicely
Failing that, the GMs should remove the can.
Thats just saying that one persons anchored object is not as important as someone else's pos. Everyone has the right to anchor things in space, regardless. If that persons anchored can happened to be full of zyd would you consider it more important? What it is shouldnt matter, the fact is, the cans were anchored there first, that simple. Find out the owner and see if you can find a resolution, otherwise just mwd a few hundred km across and set the pos there. if i park my lada riva in a car space, and you pull up in your ferrari, u think i would move just cos urs is more expensive, and attracts more women?
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: ErrorS 1. Destroy it
Forcing a corp/person that has no interest in fighting to take a sec hit cause some jackass secured a can in empire space by a moon is not a reasonable idea.
If the owner refuses to remove it, what then? What if the can owner doesn't put a POS up for 6 months? Longer? How long is beyond reasonable for a person/corp to be blocking a moon from everyone elses use, simply by using silly in game mechanics?
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3rdD Dave
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:17:00 -
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Quote: if i park my lada riva in a car space, and you pull up in your ferrari, u think i would move just cos urs is more expensive, and attracts more women?
LIKE DUH! OF COURSE!!!!
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: ErrorS 1. Destroy it
Forcing a corp/person that has no interest in fighting to take a sec hit cause some jackass secured a can in empire space by a moon is not a reasonable idea.
If the owner refuses to remove it, what then? What if the can owner doesn't put a POS up for 6 months? Longer? How long is beyond reasonable for a person/corp to be blocking a moon from everyone elses use, simply by using silly in game mechanics?
by putting up a station your blocking the moon from other people's use too I don't really see what the differnce is.
but I also gett he point that this could now turn ugly as a griever could literally block entire systems for little money and if they are in a noob corp them cans would be extremly hard to remove, so the way I see it, its cans that need to change make them expire after certain time fo non use and you would'nt get this problem.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: sableye by putting up a station your blocking the moon from other people's use too I don't really see what the differnce is.
Thats a fair point, but the POS would be making use of the moon.
Originally by: sableye but I also gett he point that this could now turn ugly as a griever could literally block entire systems for little money and if they are in a noob corp them cans would be extremly hard to remove, so the way I see it, its cans that need to change make them expire after certain time fo non use and you would'nt get this problem.
Expiring secure cans would be a bit of a pain for lots and lots of people though. But blocking the use of a moon by anchoring them there is also a problem.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:22:00 -
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I see many opportunities for prospectors to find and sell moon locations.
This is a good thing.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: ErrorS 1. Destroy it
Forcing a corp/person that has no interest in fighting to take a sec hit cause some jackass secured a can in empire space by a moon is not a reasonable idea.
If the owner refuses to remove it, what then? What if the can owner doesn't put a POS up for 6 months? Longer? How long is beyond reasonable for a person/corp to be blocking a moon from everyone elses use, simply by using silly in game mechanics?
Decleare war, no sec hits then
Imo this is exactly why the war system exists ---------------------------
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Imo this is exactly why the war system exists
I'm not one to argue with that personally, but hey we all have to admit some people and corps are simply not playing this game for PvP.
It just seems a silly "bending" of game mechanics to me.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:25:00 -
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ôForcing a corp/person that has no interest in fighting to take a sec hit cause some jackass secured a can in empire space by a moon is not a reasonable idea.ö
There are lots of valid reason for having Secure containers at a Moon. My corp has 2 or 3 outpost made up of 10 Secure containers each. We used them as ammo holders and ore dumps. Basically as a stop gap the miners and hunters go to the mini outpost and get what they need while the haulers go to the outpost to drop supplys and pick up ore to be taken to a real star base.
If someone got to the moon before you then find another moon. Its not like there are a shortage of them. Or you could try talking to the corp who owns the Secure containers. I know if it was my corp and someone wanted to set up a Pos where our mini outpost was we would move a little to make room for us both.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Expiring secure cans would be a bit of a pain for lots and lots of people though. But blocking the use of a moon by anchoring them there is also a problem.
yer but it would help alot of things just think how many cans are litterred all over space that are never used anymore, I have lots myself around outer ring and I have no real way or reason to ever go unanchor them, it would help clear up belts some asteroid belts are full of cans I have never seen anyone using but this is really not what this topic is about so I guess I'll stop rambling.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: ErrorS 1. Destroy it
Forcing a corp/person that has no interest in fighting to take a sec hit cause some jackass secured a can in empire space by a moon is not a reasonable idea.
If the owner refuses to remove it, what then? What if the can owner doesn't put a POS up for 6 months? Longer? How long is beyond reasonable for a person/corp to be blocking a moon from everyone elses use, simply by using silly in game mechanics?
Decleare war, no sec hits then
Imo this is exactly why the war system exists
as I said above though what if they are in starter corps then the war option does'nt exist.
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Dragon Ramirez
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation I see many opportunities for prospectors to find and sell moon locations.
This is a good thing.
I was thinking the exact same thing..
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:56:00 -
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People seem to forget the the owner of the secure cans might have already had them anchored before pos were brought out, you should at least be certain of this before you start shouting exploit and griefer. If the cans weren't there the first time then yeah, maybe somone is trying to stake a caim while they get the control tower. The cans could just be an inital supply depot etc.
Anyway yea, ask the owning corp to move them or see if you can find space to deploy the control tower.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.03.20 16:43:00 -
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Get your Amarr buddies to gank it.
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:02:00 -
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This achoring Secure Cans is just the same like having 200 Labslots if u need 5.
If the people want to build up a POS there it would be ok, but i gets standard to get cans at EVERY moon that has mins that are worth a POS.
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rcxdude
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:06:00 -
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i think main problem with tjhis is a problem with the game mechanics. ANY anchored object IN THE SAME GRID will stop a POs from being anchored. this is not right
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Iaukea Asarnil
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:07:00 -
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I wouldn't call this an exploit since there are legitimate reasons to have a secure can anchored there (munitions dump, useful handover point). I would however call it either a bug or bloody silly game mechanics. A not especially large secure can shouldn't be able to stop the deployment of a control tower that's several thousand times bigger. _____________________________________________ The most pessimistic sod in Eve, and proud of it
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Hilabana
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Posted - 2005.03.20 18:20:00 -
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I do not know seems like a great way to stop all POS from being set up any place in any system! what a way to shut down all mega corps and med. size corps that wish to mine or build stuff . seems like a quick way to kill the fun.! just to bad there is not some one out there with BPO's for cans lol
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Nicomachea
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Posted - 2005.03.20 19:11:00 -
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Not so simple as just moving away from the anchored cans. A POS can only be anchored in a narrow zone of space otherwise it says there is no moon nearby and disallows anchoring. So an anchored can can block off a moon entirely. Can't anchor anywhere near the can and can't anchor too far from moon warp in point.
Eve-I shows secure containers with huge amounts of hitpoints. Giant Secure is listed as 10 million. All it takes is 1 can or 2 or 3 and it moves beyond the practical ability of any small or moderate sized corp to remove.
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Malvolio
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Posted - 2005.03.20 22:20:00 -
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I wonder how long it will be until some jacka** makes a newb corp alt and starts seeding every moon in space with small secure cans just cause they can? And do secure cans stay around even if the character who anchored them is no longer around (i.e. create an alt, anchor cans, delete alt)? |
Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.03.20 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malvolio I wonder how long it will be until some jacka** makes a newb corp alt and starts seeding every moon in space with small secure cans just cause they can? And do secure cans stay around even if the character who anchored them is no longer around (i.e. create an alt, anchor cans, delete alt)?
Would be a nice way to claim a entire system and make sure no one else put up CT's in the same system.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2005.03.20 23:29:00 -
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So what happens when I want to put a POS up at a moon that already has a POS, do I complain about it hogging the moon because my POS is bigger?
Where do you draw the line? -
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Odessy
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Posted - 2005.03.20 23:42:00 -
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Dint read all the posts.
Just ask them very nicely to remove the cans.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.21 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation I see many opportunities for prospectors to find and sell moon locations.
This is a good thing.
Yea, but now someone's TOLD everyone about it.
Let the rush commence...
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