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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1812
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:08:00 -
[91] - Quote
Gorgeous Dre wrote:What now man??? I did those horribly uninformative training missions...what now? Those things cover like, 2% of the info you need in EvE.
For starters are there any OTHER large scale training corps like EvE University? Respect to what they do but the application process to my real life university was quicker and simpler.
Is there a streamlined, one stop shop site to go to to learn the game? Damage types, ships, glossary of terms, etc??? Seems like there are like 5,000 diff resources and many of them conflict. It shouldn't feel like I'm studying for the friggin LSAT while trying to learn a video game....this ridiculous. I don't mind taking time to learn but holy crap.
(Fully expect SOME exp players to flame for this. I'm used to it. People get exp then act like they've forgotten how it is to be new and get some sort of ego boost from trashing new players. I deal with losers like this IRL all of the time, so it's no big deal).
So yeah...I'm basically just trying to streamline this whole learning process. What are some good Corps to join to learn? Good places to go to learn the VERY basics of the game.
I also notice that this game, unfortunately like many MMOs is very exclusive. The exp players have all of the money, items, influence and pretty much make it impossible for newer players to get in and learn through them. So we pretty much have to figure it out. My SP aren't even in the 7 digits yet....some corps are asking for 50 million SP minimums??? How high does it go?
You basically can't join a decent corp until you have that much SP??? So I basically have to play by myself until then? If so then this'll just be a little side hobby until something else comes out. A friend of mine referred me to this game, but he stopped playing. Not going to pay just to log in, put some skills in queue then log off, which is basically all I do now., and have been doing for the last 2 weeks. If this is how it is up until the millions point in SP then...yeah....not for me.
You are supposed to make an attempt to go into lowsec and die in a gate camp so those that make this the niche game that it is can relish in your tears.
But asking first, it appears, may have thwarted the plan.
Good luck.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2739
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:13:00 -
[92] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Gorgeous Dre wrote:What now man??? I did those horribly uninformative training missions...what now? Those things cover like, 2% of the info you need in EvE.
For starters are there any OTHER large scale training corps like EvE University? Respect to what they do but the application process to my real life university was quicker and simpler.
Is there a streamlined, one stop shop site to go to to learn the game? Damage types, ships, glossary of terms, etc??? Seems like there are like 5,000 diff resources and many of them conflict. It shouldn't feel like I'm studying for the friggin LSAT while trying to learn a video game....this ridiculous. I don't mind taking time to learn but holy crap.
(Fully expect SOME exp players to flame for this. I'm used to it. People get exp then act like they've forgotten how it is to be new and get some sort of ego boost from trashing new players. I deal with losers like this IRL all of the time, so it's no big deal).
So yeah...I'm basically just trying to streamline this whole learning process. What are some good Corps to join to learn? Good places to go to learn the VERY basics of the game.
I also notice that this game, unfortunately like many MMOs is very exclusive. The exp players have all of the money, items, influence and pretty much make it impossible for newer players to get in and learn through them. So we pretty much have to figure it out. My SP aren't even in the 7 digits yet....some corps are asking for 50 million SP minimums??? How high does it go?
You basically can't join a decent corp until you have that much SP??? So I basically have to play by myself until then? If so then this'll just be a little side hobby until something else comes out. A friend of mine referred me to this game, but he stopped playing. Not going to pay just to log in, put some skills in queue then log off, which is basically all I do now., and have been doing for the last 2 weeks. If this is how it is up until the millions point in SP then...yeah....not for me. You are supposed to make an attempt to go into lowsec and die in a gate camp so those that make this the niche game that it is can relish in your tears. But asking first, it appears, may have thwarted the plan. Good luck.
Here's a pic an ISD posted (methinks) that describes the corporation joining process in Eve. http://i45.tinypic.com/eb7gbm.png "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |

Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
32
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:22:00 -
[93] - Quote
I so, so want to say something cool and very elitist and contradict the OP.
But he's right, so wonderfully right it hurts.
And that's why I think I love EVE.
But on topic, talk to people in the recruitment channels, help channels and god forbid even local. Eventually you'll get lucky and someone will pity or like you enough to help you. It's basically a social game with this mini-games like missioning, pvp or mining strewn in there to pass time while you get to know people.
What usually kills the will to play with the new ones is the lack of a pre-defined goal, a mission or an endgame of sorts. So make your own. Really, make.your.own.goals.
edit : Oh, and don't get scammed. And don't fly something that you can't afford to replace.
Welcome to EVE-Online. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1615
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:22:00 -
[94] - Quote
meh surfin' that's how amateurs do it
This is how the pro's do it Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
48
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:39:00 -
[95] - Quote
Gorgeous Dre wrote:Solstice Project wrote:You won't last long in this game ... and that's probably not even a bad thing ... See this is what I'm talking about. Right here. "YEAH, I'M BIG BAD EVE PLAYER, AND I CRUSH U NOOBS. YOU WONT LAST LONG HERE. GRRRRRR" You're probably some 120 pound ginger with freckles dude, f**k out of here with that elitist, tough guy crap dude. All I'm asking for is information. If that makes me "weak" then so be it, but please can the tough guy **** man you're not fooling anyone. I bet if we go back, we'd find out you got helped when you started out. No idea why punk asses like you go around acting like you were flying titans after 5 days of play when you started.
Take my advice: man up, do the research and jetcan the attitude.
Yeah, a lot of us got help in our first days -- but nobody is going to want to help you if all you ever do is get all cranky when you don't get the intel you're expecting.
If you're not willing to chill the frakk out, you won't last long here -- and people aren't going to take you seriously. |

Asaryuu
Paragon Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2012.10.15 01:07:00 -
[96] - Quote
Gorgeous Dre wrote:Athena Themis wrote:This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players. Where in my post did I ask for instant satisfaction? "Weed out"??? Feel like one of the "Cool Kids" now huh? "Take THAT you jocks and cheerleaders from High School!!!" Have sex dude. Why in God's name would someone WANT people to be excluded in an MMORPG??? Wouldn't you WANT new players to be able to learn more efficiently (which is all I asked for)? If not for us, who are you going to shoot at? Sell to? Pirate? (I'm seeing countless threads of exp folks complaining about how empty nullsec is). Don't you want to ATTRACT more people??? I just don't get this "I only want 10-20 special snowflakes like me to play this game" mentality.
Eve is a very different game. The people who play on a reg basis feels like it makes them special and as such having more people play and enjoy the game makes them less special. Playing this game is not that great of an achievement and ur probably not going to play very long anyway. Save ur money and bail while u can. Good Luck |

Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.10.15 02:14:00 -
[97] - Quote
The way you speak looks like you think about yourself as a special flake. You are not. Don't like it? GTFO. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1589
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Posted - 2012.10.15 02:31:00 -
[98] - Quote
Asaryuu wrote:Gorgeous Dre wrote: Why in God's name would someone WANT people to be excluded in an MMORPG??? Wouldn't you WANT new players to be able to learn more efficiently (which is all I asked for)?
If not for us, who are you going to shoot at? Sell to? Pirate? (I'm seeing countless threads of exp folks complaining about how empty nullsec is). Don't you want to ATTRACT more people??? I just don't get this "I only want 10-20 special snowflakes like me to play this game" mentality.
Eve is a very different game. The people who play on a reg basis feels like it makes them special and as such having more people play and enjoy the game makes them less special. Playing this game is not that great of an achievement and ur probably not going to play very long anyway. Save ur money and bail while u can. Good Luck That's a stupid way to do it.
Everyone knows having a half-a-dozen newbies in t1 frigates makes any op better. Automatically. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1589
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Posted - 2012.10.15 02:32:00 -
[99] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:The way you speak looks like you think about yourself as a special flake. You are not. Don't like it? GTFO. We were all special snowflakes once.
Then EVE Online took us and ruined us. Now we blob and use ECM like skillness morons. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
174
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Posted - 2012.10.15 02:41:00 -
[100] - Quote
I've never understood the argument that the more complicated EVE is, the more enticing it is. That's just stupid. There's a difference between deep and complicated -- Chess is a very deep game with very simple rules, as is the game of Go. Simple doesn't mean trivial. Chess is simple to learn, but can take a lifetime to master.
EVE's devs, on the other hand, seem to be of the opinion that if something is fabulously complicated and byzantine, when then it must be good. The PI interface is a good example of that mindset: there is no reason at all, gameplay or otherwise, why this interface has to be such a complicated and roundabout click-fest. It's just bad game design. POS management is another example of bad design.
And players who defend this overly-complex mechanic are a large part of the reason why EVE remains a niche product. They've got a "battered wife" syndrome by now: they had to suffer through the crappy tutorials, obscure (or missing) documentation, and highly nonintuitive UI design; so they think everyone else should as well. Suffering is good for the soul, seems to be the consensus among many bittervets. That it serves no useful purpose to the gameplay seems to escape everyone. It's just pointless and maddening busywork most of the time, a kneejerk MMO developer habit of keeping players in the game for as long as possible.
EVE is by no means a bad game (it wouldn't have lasted as long as it has otherwise), but it has many glaring faults that have gone unaddressed for years and years. At this point I've stopped hoping for basic fixes (like a UI that doesn't look like a bad Linux desktop from 1998) -- for better or worse, EVE is what it is, and it's not going to change much. I've learned to accept it, warts and all, but I can think regretfully on what might have been. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1589
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Posted - 2012.10.15 02:51:00 -
[101] - Quote
Idris Helion wrote:EVE's devs, on the other hand, seem to be of the opinion that if something is fabulously complicated and byzantine, why then it must be good. Ah reminds me of the EVE 101 ops that are run for newbies every now and then.
How to align, how to warp, how to warp at range, make sure not to burn straight at the enemy, point before you web, and so on and so forth. Also, how to not bump the titan. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1617
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Posted - 2012.10.15 02:53:00 -
[102] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Idris Helion wrote:EVE's devs, on the other hand, seem to be of the opinion that if something is fabulously complicated and byzantine, why then it must be good. Ah reminds me of the EVE 101 ops that are run for newbies every now and then. How to align, how to warp, how to warp at range, make sure not to burn straight at the enemy, point before you web, and so on and so forth. Also, how to not bump the titan.
FTFY 
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1590
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Posted - 2012.10.15 03:06:00 -
[103] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Idris Helion wrote:EVE's devs, on the other hand, seem to be of the opinion that if something is fabulously complicated and byzantine, why then it must be good. Ah reminds me of the EVE 101 ops that are run for newbies every now and then. How to align, how to warp, how to warp at range, make sure not to burn straight at the enemy, point before you web, and so on and so forth. Also, how to not bump the titan. FTFY  Well I bump the blackops all the time. But no one knows. Haha. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.10.15 03:07:00 -
[104] - Quote
Simple rule from a simple guy: learn by playing the game, skill training will hold you up anytime you wanna advance faster......... |

Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
57
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
You will never learn how to play all of the game, I like that, be sure to have the help channel turn on during the slow parts. It seems every time I log in I learn something new, I'm so clueless sometimes.  |

Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1361
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:21:00 -
[106] - Quote
Gorgeous Dre wrote:What now man??? I did those horribly uninformative training missions...what now? Those things cover like, 2% of the info you need in EvE.
For starters are there any OTHER large scale training corps like EvE University? Respect to what they do but the application process to my real life university was quicker and simpler.
Is there a streamlined, one stop shop site to go to to learn the game? Damage types, ships, glossary of terms, etc??? Seems like there are like 5,000 diff resources and many of them conflict. It shouldn't feel like I'm studying for the friggin LSAT while trying to learn a video game....this ridiculous. I don't mind taking time to learn but holy crap.
(Fully expect SOME exp players to flame for this. I'm used to it. People get exp then act like they've forgotten how it is to be new and get some sort of ego boost from trashing new players. I deal with losers like this IRL all of the time, so it's no big deal).
So yeah...I'm basically just trying to streamline this whole learning process. What are some good Corps to join to learn? Good places to go to learn the VERY basics of the game.
I also notice that this game, unfortunately like many MMOs is very exclusive. The exp players have all of the money, items, influence and pretty much make it impossible for newer players to get in and learn through them. So we pretty much have to figure it out. My SP aren't even in the 7 digits yet....some corps are asking for 50 million SP minimums??? How high does it go?
You basically can't join a decent corp until you have that much SP??? So I basically have to play by myself until then? If so then this'll just be a little side hobby until something else comes out. A friend of mine referred me to this game, but he stopped playing. Not going to pay just to log in, put some skills in queue then log off, which is basically all I do now., and have been doing for the last 2 weeks. If this is how it is up until the millions point in SP then...yeah....not for me. Fweddit.
http://fweddit.com
Caldari Militia |

Mortucus Taylor
Eve Shadow Academy TSOE Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:30:00 -
[107] - Quote
Gorgeous Dre wrote:Athena Themis wrote:This is one of the reasons why eve is such a good game. It weeds out the instant-satisfaction players. Where in my post did I ask for instant satisfaction? "Weed out"??? Feel like one of the "Cool Kids" now huh? "Take THAT you jocks and cheerleaders from High School!!!" Have sex dude. Why in God's name would someone WANT people to be excluded in an MMORPG??? Wouldn't you WANT new players to be able to learn more efficiently (which is all I asked for)? If not for us, who are you going to shoot at? Sell to? Pirate? (I'm seeing countless threads of exp folks complaining about how empty nullsec is). Don't you want to ATTRACT more people??? I just don't get this "I only want 10-20 special snowflakes like me to play this game" mentality. nullsecs dead cos only hard core players go there and to be frank it aint dead its very much alive as for your exprenice its normal truth is in eve there is no better gun there is do i want to engage from afar or do i want to go up close take a breath and relaxxxxxxxxxxxxxx there are pleanty of corps out there that will help u but as far as wanting to know everything eve has to offer try 19 YEARS OF SKILLS u cant do it all in eve u do what u want as for the starter missions thats what they were starter missions u have a very long way to go seems u want to have a easy game that takes a few hours to master eve aint it
google it if u cant find an answer there u will never find it
there are plenty of people to shoot the games a mature game not wow |

Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
144
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:31:00 -
[108] - Quote
Kult Altol wrote: Well, don't do lasers they suck.
This man is mistaken. :p
Of course, T1 lasers are not very good, but hit T2 and they become quite effective and fun. ;) |

Mortucus Taylor
Eve Shadow Academy TSOE Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:52:00 -
[109] - Quote
im also new to the game was daunting at first but after 2 weeks i new what i wanted and how to get it as for effective pvp alone u will die like swtor did hard and fast i just don't get your attitude to the game info is every where there is no gear set like wow this is a sandbox different setups for different stuff u have the power here not some lamo instance that drops gear eve is for mature players the end game is to create waves in war or play the market and make millions what u do here is up to u as for the 50 million sp find another corp and be careful some will stick u in a ship stick u on guard duty and watch u die over and over again if u arent hard core go else where eve wont be for u if u cant handle failure and loss of ships dont play eve if u cant survive buy your own will and stubbornness eve ain't for u
i play eve cos its a manssssssssss /womanssssssssssss game its hard and pounds u like a rock but once u crack that rock the diamonds are revealed and the power starts to flow eve is what u make it not what a dev makes it eve is your game not the devs that u follow
eve rules cos its hard if it wasn't i wouldn't be here and neither would most of the players |

flakeys
Angels of Anarchy Interstellar Confederation
386
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:09:00 -
[110] - Quote
Gorgeous Dre wrote: (Fully expect SOME exp players to flame for this. I'm used to it. People get exp then act like they've forgotten how it is to be new and get some sort of ego boost from trashing new players. I deal with losers like this IRL all of the time, so it's no big deal)..
And the reason you will get flamed is not why you thought it would be.Most older players have NOT forgotten how it was when we started.We didn't have such a nice tutorial , we didn't have a nice hoover over this fitted mod and it tells me exactly how i can use it and till what range.We had a lot less Learning Points to start off with.We didn't have all those usefull sites you can now use for missions / pve fits / pvp fits / science questions because they are allmost all made by players who where there at the start.Hard to join eve-uni?Be glad you can even join it , didn't exist then because yet again it is a player made thing.
So in short , old players in eve do not THINK they had it more tough in eve , unlike other mmorpgs they actually did have it a LOT tougher.CCP softened up the game over the years to make it more accesable for other players.And offcourse what you then get is making it accesable for players who want EVERYTHING served on a dish and that is not eve.
There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á |
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D4mane
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:13:00 -
[111] - Quote
How about, you are in your noobship and you are sent to fight a THRASHER and they tell you the ship is NOT as good as yours?
What kind of training mission is that? |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
876
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:30:00 -
[112] - Quote
D4mane wrote:How about, you are in your noobship and you are sent to fight a THRASHER and they tell you the ship is NOT as good as yours?
What kind of training mission is that?
It's an NPC controlled ship so what they're telling you is very accurate. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1063
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:32:00 -
[113] - Quote
There are plenty of corps out there that accept even brand new players. What you wont be able to do is join the larger most successful corps as tehy are selective about who they bring into corp for many reasons, top of the pile is security issues.
Look on the recruitment forums, look foc corps that accept low sp, there are many of them. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
70
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
Many smaller corps with open recruiting policies will teach you some, if not all, aspects of the game - at least in their areas of interest. There are also (or used to be) more specialised teaching academies beyond EVE-Uni - I believe Aspire are still doing it and (although I can't be certain) I believe Agony have an academy corp... It is worth noting however that you are asking other players to take time out to teach you, it's not unreasonable for them to ask for some recompense - so if you're unwilling to pay for the training then you may find your options limited.
If you're entirely against paying for training then you're probably going to have to "learn on the job" as it were - but there are hundreds of corps who will help you with that. |

Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
235
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Posted - 2012.10.15 10:14:00 -
[115] - Quote
Kult Altol wrote:[quote=Gorgeous Dre]Well, don't do lasers they suck.
Foolishness, everything burns.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |

Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
235
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Posted - 2012.10.15 10:18:00 -
[116] - Quote
Mortucus Taylor wrote:im also new to the game was daunting at first but after 2 weeks i new what i wanted and how to get it as for effective pvp alone u will die like swtor did hard and fast i just don't get your attitude to the game info is every where there is no gear set like wow this is a sandbox different setups for different stuff u have the power here not some lamo instance that drops gear eve is for mature players the end game is to create waves in war or play the market and make millions what u do here is up to u as for the 50 million sp find another corp and be careful some will stick u in a ship stick u on guard duty and watch u die over and over again if u arent hard core go else where eve wont be for u if u cant handle failure and loss of ships dont play eve if u cant survive buy your own will and stubbornness eve ain't for u
i play eve cos its a manssssssssss /womanssssssssssss game its hard and pounds u like a rock but once u crack that rock the diamonds are revealed and the power starts to flow eve is what u make it not what a dev makes it eve is your game not the devs that u follow
eve rules cos its hard if it wasn't i wouldn't be here and neither would most of the players
Damnit man this is a FULL STOP ---> .
Please learn to use them before posting again.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
900
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Posted - 2012.10.15 10:57:00 -
[117] - Quote
You have all been trolled. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

killorbekilled TBE
Quantum Link Company Tribal Band
118
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Posted - 2012.10.15 11:10:00 -
[118] - Quote
op drunk posting? TrollorbeTrolled |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1592
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Posted - 2012.10.15 11:57:00 -
[119] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:D4mane wrote:How about, you are in your noobship and you are sent to fight a THRASHER and they tell you the ship is NOT as good as yours?
What kind of training mission is that? It's an NPC controlled ship so what they're telling you is very accurate. NPCs, so bad at EVE. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

GD Poljus
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.10.15 12:29:00 -
[120] - Quote
@OP
Post with main character, stealth alt "give me hand holding tutorials that last forever" is fail. |
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