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Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.03.22 11:32:00 - [1] Dev Blog by Hellmar dated 2004.03.14 21:27:13 CLEAN UP YOUR CANS PLEASE CCP the warning was given a year ago, and the "unfair" advantage these cans give corps/players in high sec space is obvious, both in industrial terms (using them for mining at the belts) and in advertising (recruiting and sales). When will action finally be taken ? -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Dakath	Posted - 2005.03.22 11:42:00 - [2] There are secure cans all over space that have been completely abandoned. I haven't seen anyone using one in a heck of a long time. This is a complete waste of server resources. I propose that every December 31st be "Can Day". If on 24:00 on December 31 the can is not in a hanger, it disappears. I chopped Bunny into little pieces. \ ( )( X > ) ( .x ) / < _ Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Sic Transit Gloria Bunny!
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.03.22 12:14:00 - [3] I can't really see them being a problem for the server's resources. It's ridiculous though that just about every station and gate in >= 0.8 space has at least 1 (normally more) secure can there. And as you said, I think a lot of them are abandoned too. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Aelita	Posted - 2005.03.22 14:35:00 - [4] I'd pined it down in couple of ocasions. Yes please we need one great cleaning in da EVE house. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. EVE universe looks so ugly with all these cans and nobody can touch them or just redistribute ownership if you like it that way.
McBane	Posted - 2005.03.22 14:45:00 - [5] Why they didn't just chance secure cans to have a time limit on length of anchor duration when they made the change all that time ago I don't know. Would have solved the problems now and the problems of the future. Ah, hindsight, a lovely thing
Namelesz	Posted - 2005.03.22 15:16:00 - [6] forget the secure cans, the bigger problem right now is the standard cans that are littering space everywhere. 1.0 all the way down to 0.0. They can't be destroyed in 0.4 and higher cause of CONCORDOKKEN! and they cannot be scooped or anchored, they are literally trash left behind. Much worse than secure cans cause they can be jettisoned near gates and stations at any range. CLEAN UP STANDARD CANS! -Namelesz "I never run away. I merely advance in the opposite direction." -Judicator "She was so dumb, the smartest thing to ever come out of her mouth was my *****."
ElfeGER	Posted - 2005.03.22 15:18:00 - [7] - secure cans in high sec should be unanchored or at least free to shoot - normal cans should be scoupable or free to shoot - lost drones should be cleared after 24/48 hours (most of the time at an agent mission spot = waste of server resources)
Regalis	Posted - 2005.03.22 16:22:00 - [8] Perhaps what needs to happen is along with the price of the can, you pay extra for a "per month" the can stays unused cost. For example: Cost of Large Secure Container= 100k. -comes with 30 days in space after last time used. So, if you use it it stays...don't use it for 30 days and on day 31 can goes away. Increase the price of the can by say 10-25% for each month additional. This way if you only get out to a can once ever 3-4 months you dont lose it(provided you payed for at leat 4 months worth of inactivity), but it's YOUR choice on whether or not you want to lose it through inactivity. Maybe give a 3 day warning appear in your mail that x-can will expire on such and such a date unless utilized. Or something like that. Just an idea.
chillz	Posted - 2005.03.22 17:03:00 - [9] All we need is a skill that is the counter to anchoring. ----------------------------------- A gun and a packet of sandwiches. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
Demarcus	Posted - 2005.03.22 17:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Jaabaa Prime I can't really see them being a problem for the server's resources. It's ridiculous though that just about every station and gate in >= 0.8 space has at least 1 (normally more) secure can there. And as you said, I think a lot of them are abandoned too. More objects in space = more lag plain and simple. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.03.22 18:17:00 - [11] I'n pretty sure at least 80% of those are completely forgotten by the owners. It's just too easy to buy a new can and move it where you want, and too hard to keep track of all old cans
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.03.22 19:17:00 - [12] Give secure cans a 3 month duration and normal cans a 24 hour duration. Give a weeks warning, then pop any cans over that age. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.03.23 01:57:00 - [13] CCP can we have some kind of respone to a year old Dev Blog that still is qa problem please ? Even if the answer is .... if( (type>=167238) ((READ ANCHORED CAN)) and systemSecurityLevel>=0 ) then unanchorCan(),; It's not hard to do, politically (EVE internal) or technically. I have to agree also with the 24 limit on normal cans, but thin that secure cans should be 7 days (168 hours) before they pop automatically. 24 hours ? Mor than enough time you need to do something, if not then scoop/relaunch. 168 hours ? 1 week of unattendance of a secure can that has been anchored. Please address this issue. BTW, I didn't think of being "CONCORDOKENED" if you tried to take out even a NORMAL SMALL in >= 0.8 space with the current "security measures" that are in place :/ CCP, (falling on my knees) CCP, please remove or allow the player base to REMOVE this junk. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
S'Daria	Posted - 2005.03.23 02:24:00 - [14] Edited by: S''Daria on 23/03/2005 02:29:51 OT Warning: RPing responce incoming The known universe's ancient asteroid fields are truly diverse. They include veldspar, scordite, pryoxeres, plagioclase, omber, kernite, jaspet, hemorphite, hedbergite, gneiss, dark ochre, spodumain, crokite, bistot, arkonor, ice and the nearly extinct mercoxit. Together they maintain environmental systems that are essential for life in Eve. They influence market prices of a wide variety of ships and modules essential to a thrieving economy. They help stabilise the universe's economy by storing large amounts of minerals that would otherwise contribute to escalating economic disasters. These ancient asteroid fields are home to millions of miners who depend on them for their survival - both physically and spiritually. These asteroid fields also house around two-thirds of the universe's low-end rats. That's hundreds of thousands of different rats, and literally millions of lame modules in their loot cans - their futures also depend on the ancient asteroid fields. These magnificent ancient asteroid fields are under threat from abandoned containers. More than 87 POD pilots have been lost do to the lag when loading; in the next 10 to 20 years, the universe looks set to lose thousands of miners. But there is a last chance to SAVE these ancient asteroid fields and the people and rats that depend on them. Make sure your home system is friendly by visiting our clean asteroid fields. We implore CONCORD to create an environment where our asteroid fields are clear of Secure Cargo Containers in the most sensitive and protected regions in space. For this we ask CONCORD to allow environmental concious pilots the ability to help clean asteroid fields. Become an Anti-Secure Cargo Container cyberactivist to join the growing number of people taking a stand for the last ancient asteroid fields. The Anti-Secure Cargo Container League (ASCCL), is a non-profit organisation, with a presence in 40 systems across Amarrian, Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente regions.
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.03.23 02:36:00 - [15] simple solution - all anchored cans are made accessible by any players after 1 month of being left unattended (player is sent eve mail 2 days prior to its status being changed to standard unpassworded cans) this might encourage more players moving around seeking out anchor cans becoming standard and openable - after being made a standard can the can stays there until emptied then blows up like cargo. Other is anchor goes to standard after 1 month then remains active until emptied or 1 week then it blows up Dont think this is a big strain on CCP servers as im sure they are upgraded regulary. To new technology etc Same goes for standard cans if unused for 2 weeks a 2 day notice is sent out to owner - after that they remain active for 1 week or until emptied by any passer bys Quite a simple solution that removes the advertising by corps and other cans around planets stargates, stations etc and cleans up the game universe.
ElfeGER	Posted - 2005.03.23 10:33:00 - [16] - jetcans should stay as they are - other cans should NOT be protected by concord (this results in being shoot at - so they age automaticly and disappear) - maybe give some more hp to the normal cans - about 50k should do the trick should be a quick change for the devs and solve the can spam
Aelita	Posted - 2005.03.23 13:19:00 - [17] As someone pointed out standard containers becomin problem in 0.5 and higher systems. I don't know when it was changed, but now no one can scoop these containers into cargo. It was possible some time ago. Developers need look at it and change how secure cans and standard cans are handled in game. These containers can't be imune. Especially if I look at owners many of them are property of characters who did left game ages ago.
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.03.24 01:54:00 - [18] The only other alternative perhaps is to drop a few of youre own anchor cans around key hotspots - if to many get crowded around they might all get removed ? leave the odd shuttle there as well
Tairos Hakonnus	Posted - 2005.03.24 01:59:00 - [19] Dakath... best sig ever LOL ---------------------------- http://spla.sh/bp/bp_files/main.htm
Stepping Razor	Posted - 2005.03.24 04:56:00 - [20] While we're nuking cans that are WAY past their due date (a noble, nobly ideal in its own right), can we clean up empty noob ships? There's ships out there sitting at moons, safes, whatever that are months, if not years old. I'd like to see empty noob ships and shuttles expire at downtime ideally.... Razor Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon CCP is the best at at least three things: 1. Really, really fun gameplay 2. Good forum presence 3. Inventing new and exciting ways to bring about in-game catacly
jamesw	Posted - 2005.03.24 05:47:00 - [21] my 2... move secure can to the nearest station. put it in the owner/corp ceo's hangar. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Hilfy Chanur	Posted - 2005.03.24 15:50:00 - [22] Yeah, please get rid of them. Very annoying and an unfair advantage.
Jerec Deepblue	Posted - 2005.03.24 17:42:00 - [23] Edited by: Jerec Deepblue on 24/03/2005 17:42:32 yes especially the non-secure cargo cans around the gates could we pleasseeee clean this up? hehe
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2005.03.24 19:40:00 - [24] So we have the following: Unanchor secure cans Allow players to scoop UNANCHORED secure and especially normal cans (it's rediculous that we can't by the way) Get rid of abandoned noob ships (as the poster said, it should be a daily maintenance job or a 24 hour expires) I think we should add abandoned shuttles to that list but that may be a problem because they are paid for (maybe a 7 day limit?). Anything else that CCP should think of when (if?) they do what they said over a year ago ? -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
Jamius	Posted - 2005.03.24 20:17:00 - [25] I used secure cans before I found the ease of using jettisoned cans. I now can't even remember where I anchored them so would be quite happy if they were removed as they must be a pain in the ar$e to other players especially if they want to secure a can near where mine is. I thought this would be the case anyway A secure can that is unused for a certain period should be removed from the game.
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.03.24 23:26:00 - [26] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 24/03/2005 23:26:44 My biggest fear with standard can is a hualer full of them being ganked in Yul Ded Assembly;_;
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.03.28 07:58:00 - [27] Yup, we definitely need to get rid of secure cans that shouldn'tbe there. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Big doggy	Posted - 2005.03.29 20:43:00 - [28] Yes I wish we could get rid of all the old cans, they make it hard for me to steal ore. :)
Aelita	Posted - 2005.03.30 09:48:00 - [29] No statement to it? Please, EVE need general cleaning for old unused stuff from server database.
CanCleaner 2	Posted - 2005.03.30 10:36:00 - [30] and please also remove the nerf other container that didn't explode when they are empty, but used for recruitment and so on

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