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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.03.22 11:32:00 -
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Dev Blog by Hellmar dated 2004.03.14 21:27:13
CLEAN UP YOUR CANS PLEASE
CCP the warning was given a year ago, and the "unfair" advantage these cans give corps/players in high sec space is obvious, both in industrial terms (using them for mining at the belts) and in advertising (recruiting and sales).
When will action finally be taken ?
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.03.22 11:42:00 -
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There are secure cans all over space that have been completely abandoned. I haven't seen anyone using one in a heck of a long time.
This is a complete waste of server resources.
I propose that every December 31st be "Can Day". If on 24:00 on December 31 the can is not in a hanger, it disappears.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.03.22 12:14:00 -
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I can't really see them being a problem for the server's resources.
It's ridiculous though that just about every station and gate in >= 0.8 space has at least 1 (normally more) secure can there.
And as you said, I think a lot of them are abandoned too.
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
Aelita
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:35:00 -
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I'd pined it down in couple of ocasions. Yes please we need one great cleaning in da EVE house.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.
EVE universe looks so ugly with all these cans and nobody can touch them or just redistribute ownership if you like it that way.
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McBane
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:45:00 -
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Why they didn't just chance secure cans to have a time limit on length of anchor duration when they made the change all that time ago I don't know.
Would have solved the problems now and the problems of the future.
Ah, hindsight, a lovely thing 
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.03.22 15:16:00 -
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forget the secure cans, the bigger problem right now is the standard cans that are littering space everywhere. 1.0 all the way down to 0.0. They can't be destroyed in 0.4 and higher cause of CONCORDOKKEN! and they cannot be scooped or anchored, they are literally trash left behind. Much worse than secure cans cause they can be jettisoned near gates and stations at any range.
CLEAN UP STANDARD CANS!
-Namelesz
"I never run away. I merely advance in the opposite direction." -Judicator
"She was so dumb, the smartest thing to ever come out of her mouth was my *****." |
ElfeGER
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Posted - 2005.03.22 15:18:00 -
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- secure cans in high sec should be unanchored or at least free to shoot
- normal cans should be scoupable or free to shoot
- lost drones should be cleared after 24/48 hours (most of the time at an agent mission spot = waste of server resources)
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Regalis
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Posted - 2005.03.22 16:22:00 -
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Perhaps what needs to happen is along with the price of the can, you pay extra for a "per month" the can stays unused cost.
For example: Cost of Large Secure Container= 100k.
-comes with 30 days in space after last time used.
So, if you use it it stays...don't use it for 30 days and on day 31 can goes away. Increase the price of the can by say 10-25% for each month additional. This way if you only get out to a can once ever 3-4 months you dont lose it(provided you payed for at leat 4 months worth of inactivity), but it's YOUR choice on whether or not you want to lose it through inactivity. Maybe give a 3 day warning appear in your mail that x-can will expire on such and such a date unless utilized. Or something like that.
Just an idea. 
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chillz
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Posted - 2005.03.22 17:03:00 -
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All we need is a skill that is the counter to anchoring.
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A gun and a packet of sandwiches.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.03.22 17:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
I can't really see them being a problem for the server's resources.
It's ridiculous though that just about every station and gate in >= 0.8 space has at least 1 (normally more) secure can there.
And as you said, I think a lot of them are abandoned too.
More objects in space = more lag plain and simple.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.03.22 18:17:00 -
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I'n pretty sure at least 80% of those are completely forgotten by the owners. It's just too easy to buy a new can and move it where you want, and too hard to keep track of all old cans
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.22 19:17:00 -
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Give secure cans a 3 month duration and normal cans a 24 hour duration.
Give a weeks warning, then pop any cans over that age.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.03.23 01:57:00 -
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CCP can we have some kind of respone to a year old Dev Blog that still is qa problem please ?
Even if the answer is ....
if( (type>=167238) ((READ ANCHORED CAN)) and systemSecurityLevel>=0 ) then unanchorCan(),;
It's not hard to do, politically (EVE internal) or technically.
I have to agree also with the 24 limit on normal cans, but thin that secure cans should be 7 days (168 hours) before they pop automatically.
24 hours ? Mor than enough time you need to do something, if not then scoop/relaunch.
168 hours ? 1 week of unattendance of a secure can that has been anchored.
Please address this issue.
BTW, I didn't think of being "CONCORDOKENED" if you tried to take out even a NORMAL SMALL in >= 0.8 space with the current "security measures" that are in place :/
CCP, (falling on my knees) CCP, please remove or allow the player base to REMOVE this junk.
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2005.03.23 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: S''Daria on 23/03/2005 02:29:51
OT Warning: RPing responce incoming
The known universe's ancient asteroid fields are truly diverse. They include veldspar, scordite, pryoxeres, plagioclase, omber, kernite, jaspet, hemorphite, hedbergite, gneiss, dark ochre, spodumain, crokite, bistot, arkonor, ice and the nearly extinct mercoxit. Together they maintain environmental systems that are essential for life in Eve. They influence market prices of a wide variety of ships and modules essential to a thrieving economy. They help stabilise the universe's economy by storing large amounts of minerals that would otherwise contribute to escalating economic disasters.
These ancient asteroid fields are home to millions of miners who depend on them for their survival - both physically and spiritually.
These asteroid fields also house around two-thirds of the universe's low-end rats. That's hundreds of thousands of different rats, and literally millions of lame modules in their loot cans - their futures also depend on the ancient asteroid fields.
These magnificent ancient asteroid fields are under threat from abandoned containers. More than 87 POD pilots have been lost do to the lag when loading; in the next 10 to 20 years, the universe looks set to lose thousands of miners. But there is a last chance to SAVE these ancient asteroid fields and the people and rats that depend on them.
Make sure your home system is friendly by visiting our clean asteroid fields.
We implore CONCORD to create an environment where our asteroid fields are clear of Secure Cargo Containers in the most sensitive and protected regions in space.
For this we ask CONCORD to allow environmental concious pilots the ability to help clean asteroid fields.
Become an Anti-Secure Cargo Container cyberactivist to join the growing number of people taking a stand for the last ancient asteroid fields.
The Anti-Secure Cargo Container League (ASCCL), is a non-profit organisation, with a presence in 40 systems across Amarrian, Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente regions.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.23 02:36:00 -
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simple solution - all anchored cans are made accessible by any players after 1 month of being left unattended (player is sent eve mail 2 days prior to its status being changed to standard unpassworded cans) this might encourage more players moving around seeking out anchor cans becoming standard and openable - after being made a standard can the can stays there until emptied then blows up like cargo.
Other is anchor goes to standard after 1 month then remains active until emptied or 1 week then it blows up
Dont think this is a big strain on CCP servers as im sure they are upgraded regulary. To new technology etc
Same goes for standard cans if unused for 2 weeks a 2 day notice is sent out to owner - after that they remain active for 1 week or until emptied by any passer bys
Quite a simple solution that removes the advertising by corps and other cans around planets stargates, stations etc and cleans up the game universe.
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2005.03.23 10:33:00 -
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- jetcans should stay as they are
- other cans should NOT be protected by concord (this results in being shoot at - so they age automaticly and disappear)
- maybe give some more hp to the normal cans - about 50k should do the trick
should be a quick change for the devs and solve the can spam
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Aelita
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Posted - 2005.03.23 13:19:00 -
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As someone pointed out standard containers becomin problem in 0.5 and higher systems. I don't know when it was changed, but now no one can scoop these containers into cargo. It was possible some time ago.
Developers need look at it and change how secure cans and standard cans are handled in game. These containers can't be imune. Especially if I look at owners many of them are property of characters who did left game ages ago.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.24 01:54:00 -
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The only other alternative perhaps is to drop a few of youre own anchor cans around key hotspots - if to many get crowded around they might all get removed ? leave the odd shuttle there as well
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.03.24 01:59:00 -
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Dakath...
best sig ever LOL
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2005.03.24 04:56:00 -
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While we're nuking cans that are WAY past their due date (a noble, nobly ideal in its own right), can we clean up empty noob ships? There's ships out there sitting at moons, safes, whatever that are months, if not years old. I'd like to see empty noob ships and shuttles expire at downtime ideally....
Razor
Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.03.24 05:47:00 -
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my 2...
move secure can to the nearest station. put it in the owner/corp ceo's hangar.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Hilfy Chanur
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:50:00 -
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Yeah,
please get rid of them. Very annoying and an unfair advantage.
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Jerec Deepblue
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Posted - 2005.03.24 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jerec Deepblue on 24/03/2005 17:42:32
yes especially the non-secure cargo cans around the gates could we pleasseeee clean this up?
hehe
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.03.24 19:40:00 -
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So we have the following:
- Unanchor secure cans
- Allow players to scoop UNANCHORED secure and especially normal cans (it's rediculous that we can't by the way)
- Get rid of abandoned noob ships (as the poster said, it should be a daily maintenance job or a 24 hour expires)
- I think we should add abandoned shuttles to that list but that may be a problem because they are paid for (maybe a 7 day limit?).
Anything else that CCP should think of when (if?) they do what they said over a year ago ?
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Jamius
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Posted - 2005.03.24 20:17:00 -
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I used secure cans before I found the ease of using jettisoned cans.
I now can't even remember where I anchored them so would be quite happy if they were removed as they must be a pain in the ar$e to other players especially if they want to secure a can near where mine is.
I thought this would be the case anyway 
A secure can that is unused for a certain period should be removed from the game.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.24 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 24/03/2005 23:26:44
My biggest fear with standard can is a hualer full of them being ganked in Yul Ded Assembly;_;
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.03.28 07:58:00 -
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Yup, we definitely need to get rid of secure cans that shouldn'tbe there.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Big doggy
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Posted - 2005.03.29 20:43:00 -
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Yes I wish we could get rid of all the old cans, they make it hard for me to steal ore. :) |
Aelita
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Posted - 2005.03.30 09:48:00 -
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No statement to it? Please, EVE need general cleaning for old unused stuff from server database.
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CanCleaner 2
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Posted - 2005.03.30 10:36:00 -
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and please also remove the nerf other container that didn't explode when they are empty, but used for recruitment and so on
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CanCleaner 2
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Posted - 2005.03.30 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jamius
I now can't even remember where I anchored them
May you find them at Corporation - Accounts - Property 
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.30 10:55:00 -
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if can=not accessed in 30days then delete can.
if can anchored in .8-1.0 then delete can.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
Quote:
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.03.30 11:18:00 -
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One of the biggest problems now is that you can't scoop someone elses can, unanchored or not. I flew through a gate the other day where there were 30+ small standard cans littered around it, all with just total junk as text.
Maybe I could petition a GM to have them removed 
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
CanCleaner 2
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Posted - 2005.03.30 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Maybe I could petition a GM to have them removed
They said: Fill a Bugreport to me after I petitioned :( so I make 2 alts to shoot them :(
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CanCleaner 2
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:13:00 -
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friendly daily bump on that lag :(
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Skoffel
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Posted - 2005.03.31 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 24/03/2005 23:26:44
My biggest fear with standard can is a hualer full of them being ganked in Yul Ded Assembly;_;
You can now have a look at 20 cans around X-DED :(
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.03.31 15:28:00 -
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Introduce 'Hacking' skills, to allow people to loot/unanchor cans.
ex P-TMC
If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
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Phearlene
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:13:00 -
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Has anyone else seen the reference to the "UNANCHORING DRONE"? could be a nice way to scoop some freebie resources from abandoned canzz and an end for "Space Graffiti"
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Warm0nger
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Posted - 2005.03.31 23:35:00 -
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An easy fix with not much thought to consequence is have the game remove any personal cans anchored/dropped by defunct players, and corp cans that belong to corps that have disbanded.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.04.01 01:04:00 -
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If you read the blog that was written over a year ago then you'd realise that the "easy fix" was discussed over a year ago.
What was BROKEN is the fact that you can NOT scoop insecure cans in empire, which actaully compounds the problem.
People are dumping small standard containers left, right and center KNOWING that they can't be destroyed (thanks CONCORD).
On top of that there are god knows how many giant secures at >= 0.8 belts being used for mass mining, and the secure being used for advertising.
CCP, do what YOU said a year ago, get rid of them !
And fix it again so that "unanchored" and "standard" cans can be scooped.
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.04.01 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 01/04/2005 01:14:05
Originally by: CanCleaner 2
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Maybe I could petition a GM to have them removed
They said: Fill a Bugreport to me after I petitioned :( so I make 2 alts to shoot them :(
Sooo, if I invested a few million in small cans, dumped them in Jita, Rens, etc. it would not be an exploit but a bug.
Interesting .....
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
Supersam
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Posted - 2005.04.01 05:45:00 -
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As for the protest, I move that the MORON that dumped all those cans in Jita, be banned due to stupidity.
Gee, I wonder who that could be.
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Wind Killer
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Posted - 2005.04.01 07:18:00 -
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Can do not give anyone unfair advantage and saying so is lame. Cans are part of the game and should be. Having securired cans anchored down is all part of game and it lame to cry about it. The only problem is people using them for other then storage. CCP could and should nuke the ones that poeple do not use for like a week and ***** down hard on the people who spam cans like Jaabaa did-- for any reason. Even banning thier accounts. |
Aelita
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Posted - 2005.04.01 11:59:00 -
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I found couple of persons who abusing small containers and dumping around 100 close to station. When I warp to station or undock my screen loads over 30 seconds then and my frame rate drop below 2.
Actually certain groups start abusing small containers to block fly-path. Ships going to death stop if contaier is in fly-path.
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Supersam
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Posted - 2005.04.01 20:06:00 -
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Well, my FPS doesn't drop from it, but some moron dropped like 50 standard containers outside a jita station. Like I said, should be banned out of stupidity.
I will with hold names, but it shouldn't be hard to figure out.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.04.08 01:27:00 -
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Well, what can I say. I was drunk as a skunk as I did this.
I woke up thinking "OMG, what have you done ???"
I popped all the tins THEN read our forums and my EVE mail (due to game mechanics I couldn't even scoop them).
I am sincerely sorry for any inconveniance I may have caused to any of the players in Rens or Jita (where I dropped 31 smalls each using my main(?) alt Jaabaa).
It was indeed moronic of me to take my frustration out on the the good people of EVE.
As many who know me, after years of playing together, this is not my normal behaviour in-game.
Consider this due public tenance.
The Issue that I raised initially on this thread remains.
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2005.04.08 13:49:00 -
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Yeah, can we please just clean up the cans plz CCP? The decorative ones as well (see Keberz @ HED gate for examples). Just a waste of bandwidth and database imho.
Razor
Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon
CCP is the best at at least three things:
1. Really, really fun gameplay
2. Good forum presence
3. Inventing new and exciting ways to bring about in-game catacly |
CanCleaner 2
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Posted - 2005.04.10 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Stepping Razor
Yeah, can we please just clean up the cans plz CCP?
if there is a note in the next patch, we hope to scope that ones to our cargos :)
everyone jet one as a fault there is no problem imo but peoples like PENTRU ROMANI, spaming the hole gates and stations should be banned from eve
you have to pay 100 isk to prevent spams via eve-mail, but jet these damn containers to spam your corpassings would be allowed ???
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.04.10 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 10/04/2005 23:26:34
Everyone anchoring 100 small secure containers in their system should get CCPs attention.
Convert Stations
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.04.10 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 10/04/2005 23:26:34
Everyone anchoring 100 small secure containers in their system should get CCPs attention.
It might also get you a warning or a ban.
[Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators] |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.04.10 23:39:00 -
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This wouldn't be a problem with expiration dates that were reasonable and skills to cap the number of cans you could manage to keep anchored. I said so back when and I still have that soapbox around.
Skill it!
Convert Stations
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Rangar
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Posted - 2005.04.11 08:17:00 -
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Yeah,
I still see lots of cans in 1.0. When will that stop?
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BuRnEr
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Posted - 2005.04.11 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 10/04/2005 23:26:34
Everyone anchoring 100 small secure containers in their system should get CCPs attention.
It might also get you a warning or a ban.
I hope thay look at the EC-P gate in torrinos, you can say thx to venture corp for that 10sec lag spike......
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2005.04.11 11:50:00 -
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decreasing the cans HP could be a solution
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Shiboline M'Ress
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Posted - 2005.04.11 11:55:00 -
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can advertising should be considered spam and the spamer locked away or fined by concord 
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.04.11 12:56:00 -
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As it's been stated, a solution is to bill the person anchoring the can by Concord or whichever faction's space it's in. The cost doesn't have to be large, just a few hundred isk for renting that small part of space - all that matters is the user gets a bill for the can being anchored; therefore reminding them it's there. If they don't pay the bill, it pops.
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Lonely Joe
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lonely Joe on 11/04/2005 13:22:16
If the police aren't watching, can't we just blow them up ourselves?
I know you can't blow station cans even if you complained it says something dirty about your company. I tried that before two years ago when someone was distraughted and left.
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If they released billboards around the station and charged companies to advertise their recruitments, that would help in eliminating the needs for cans.
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Maclee
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Maclee on 11/04/2005 13:24:33
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 10/04/2005 23:26:34
Everyone anchoring 100 small secure containers in their system should get CCPs attention.
It might also get you a warning or a ban.
Ok then what about Anchoring 100 small secure containers in 100 different systems or more?
ItĘs funny we will get band for or a warning for leaving a bag of garbage but if we walk along and slowly empty the bag were ok? Is this not what people are doing?
Littering whether in one big pile or if it just accumulates from many people throwing there trash in the same spot is littering. Why treat it any differently?
Maclee
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.04.11 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: EULA 7A:1
You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Up to the GMs really, but I guess that one would cover it..
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: EULA 7A:1
You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Up to the GMs really, but I guess that one would cover it..
wrangler though you are a good man I know its your job to keep these forums clean but honestly
I know you can see as well as we can that this is a problem and that its not getting any better I knpow my old corp (does not exists anymore) still have several anchored secure cans that was anchored for the corp and since they where they can no longer be scooped 
my point is either the cans expiring after a period of time (90 days for secure ones for instance and 7 for normal ones) would make us happy
I would also like to get ships added to this and I dont just mean Noob ships and shuttles any ship left unattended for 90 days should pop unless it was behind a POS shield (maybe even then)
it makes sense from any perspective as cans would be bombarded with metorites in space and everntually get destroyed
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.04.11 14:28:00 -
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That's probably something you should post in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum.
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Aelita
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Posted - 2005.04.11 21:24:00 -
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Hmm features and ideas wouldn't server problem. Because this forum have no bug section, general suit it best. We got promise year ago and instead working solution we have bug not being able scoop normal containers as we had before.
Shooting containers shouldn't be considered criminal action in any security system and then I guarantee I would voluntarily place my ship for whole day shooting on containers to clean-up mess. Did anyone just go and look at belts in systems with security 0.5+? There are more containers than rocks!
Piles of secure and standard containers just jettisoned in space and labeled with stupid signs or recruitment cover stations and gates. Even 0.0 is polluted with abandoned containers in belts, over stations and gates.
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Aelita
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Posted - 2005.04.27 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Aelita on 27/04/2005 08:07:20
Hey! Will CCP do something with cans around? If yes then when? When servers will stop working? Check this or this. Will EVE space become can junkyard?
I'm calling for general cleanup over one year, we got empty promises and only bugs (now is not possible to scoop even standard containers into cargo).
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CanCleaner 2
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Posted - 2005.05.17 19:14:00 -
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what the hell is going in Niyabainen and Jita
CCP if you will see how lag is produced, then take a flight from Niyabainen to Jita...
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Heifetz
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Posted - 2005.05.18 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Heifetz on 18/05/2005 14:52:32
The idea of having some sort of time limit on every single can in EVE, while reducing the amount of cans would also require a huge amount of extra processing power to get the job done.
Instead:
Sollution 1: Simply make it easy for players to self-regulate their cans. All items in space owned by a player or corp appear in their assets folder, and can be remotely trashed just like items in stations.
Sollution 2: Unanchored cans have a 2 hour limit like jet cans.
Sollution 3: If a persons account has been inactive for more than 2 months, their cans dissappear.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.05.18 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 18/05/2005 15:57:56
Why's everything gotta be so complicated.
Since Eve is so very fond of its "Professions" and related skills, how about just introduce the skills for "Garbage Collector", that way anyone that felt that the Galaxy was in need of a clean up, they could. You could have skills such as Sanitaion Engineering, Biowaste Hauling, Selective Refuse Collecting, and Dog Kicking :)
You could even introduce new ship classes, such as the Trash Barge, which could leak stinkinax green ooze all over the highway.
This would also give jobs to the thousands of unemployed Researchers and Scientists.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.05.18 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/05/2005 17:40:18
Originally by: Wrangler
That's probably something you should post in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum.
Since its a bug, maybe not?
Unanchored cans are supposed to disappear like jetisson cans--but they don't. And standard unanchored cans can't be scooped either.
I propose a protest. Industrials manned by annoyed players could meet at Yulai DED X filled with small standard cans, and could set a 20 jump course through the heart of secure space, where they will dump a single standard can at every gate.
If all of you here are interested, EVE-mail me with a simple "yes I'll do it" or something and I can pick a time and post a thread about it. If the GMs don't like the idea, they better go smack the devs and have them fix at *least* the basic standard-cans-can't-be-scooped bug.
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The best description of alliances, ever:
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Chrizto
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Posted - 2005.05.19 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Chrizto on 19/05/2005 07:45:17
I vote for secure cans to decay when they're unused for 3 months.
And those named jetcans and unanchored cans... ignore them, they Should (hint) decay in about 2 hrs.
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Brather
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Posted - 2005.05.19 08:41:00 -
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or give us a Password Breaking skill. and we can do the cleanup ourselves...
Note: I do not condome hacking or any actions relating or corelating to its means of aquiring access or information of any kind.
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Dukath
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Posted - 2005.05.19 08:50:00 -
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Something as actually implementing the anchoring skill would work. If i remember correctly the amount of objects you can anchor was supposed to be part of the skill. So just implement it.
For each level a player can anchor 2 objects in space.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.19 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Heifetz
Edited by: Heifetz on 18/05/2005 14:52:32
The idea of having some sort of time limit on every single can in EVE, while reducing the amount of cans would also require a huge amount of extra processing power to get the job done.
Your other ideas are all good, but this point is not. While certain implementations of a time limit would be processing intensive, there are ways of doing it that are not.
For example, if we say that anchored cans expire if left alone for 1 month, or even a week or so, the exact time of death isn't all that important. So you don't need to check to see whether the can should die very often. It could easily be added to the list of clean-up tasks done during daily downtime, and so have no effect on live-play processor load at all.
Also, if you look at the way current jettison containers expire, they don't go pop at the exact second, or even minute, that they go over the 2 hour period. The can cleanup seems to be handled by some sort of garbage collection routine, not a seperate counter on each can. This routine would just cycle through all the cans in the database constantly, checking for expired ones. So if your can has 1 second left to go when it gets checked, it lives, and will live until the garbage collector comes round again. The great thing about this system is that the processor usage can be easily tuned based on current server load. If server load is high, you just slow down the garbage collector. Which is probably why I've had cans last 3-4 hours at busy times - though relying on them after the 2-hour mark is very foolhardy! Incidentally, a similar system seems to be in use for removing expired market orders, hence why some of them can sit there for a while.
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CanCleaner 1
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Posted - 2005.05.21 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri
Edited by: Quanteeri on 18/05/2005 15:57:56
Since Eve is so very fond of its "Professions" and related skills, how about just introduce the skills for "Garbage Collector", that way anyone that felt that the Galaxy was in need of a clean up, they could. You could have skills such as Sanitaion Engineering, Biowaste Hauling, Selective Refuse Collecting, and Dog Kicking :)
signed !
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2005.05.22 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dukath
Something as actually implementing the anchoring skill would work. If i remember correctly the amount of objects you can anchor was supposed to be part of the skill. So just implement it.
For each level a player can anchor 2 objects in space.
Excluding POS objects I would hope....
Razor
Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon
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1. Really, really fun gameplay
2. Good forum presence
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Maestra Jsun
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Posted - 2005.05.22 08:36:00 -
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Cans have the owners name written all over them, yes?
Pirates, lock'em, load'em, and take down names. When the corpses start piling up, the word will get out...
"Stop littering."
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.05.22 11:25:00 -
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There's a flaw in your thinking, pirates don't care about EVEs general wellbeing, only their own.
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CanCleaner 2
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Posted - 2005.05.22 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maestra Jsun
Cans have the owners name written all over them, yes?
Just saw some cans that belongs only to a corp-logo... no player is attached
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.05.22 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 22/05/2005 20:08:36
/me Breaks out the guitar.
Cans, cans, everywhere there's cans
******* up the scenery, breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the can?
And the can says 'Anybody caught trespassing will be shot on sight'.
So I jumped the gate and I yelled at the camp
Hey! What gives you the right!?
To put up a camp and keep me out, or to keep Mother Arkonor in.
If a GM was here, he'd tell it to your face, man, you're some kind of lamer...
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