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Aerilis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.01 10:50:00 -
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So I was playing around with the new Cyno effect on Sisi, and although it's a *slight* improvement to the current effect, I think the question on everyone's mind is:
Why can't you just give us back the old one??
Seriously, I think 90% of the playerbase agrees the old cyno ten times more awesome than whatever variation of the wormhole effect you can come up. There was just something to powerful, so majestic, like you could feel the very fabric of space time ripping apart from the sheer force of an entire cap fleet jumping in.
This new one is just like derp glowing red ball, derp cap fleet suddenly appears.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBU0vs127PQ |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.10.01 10:54:00 -
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My guess is that the old one was incompatible with the current engine, and they had to redesign it. Since CCP seems to have a revolving door when it comes employees the Dev who made it is no longer there, and they can't recreate the exact same effect.
At least thats my guess on it. |
EVERYONE JUMPJUMP
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:38:00 -
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Thanks for linking the vid.
I think the new jump in effect looks pretty cool. is it as epic on the black ops when you zoom in a little?
I SAID JUMP DAMN IT!! |
BrianBadonde
Thunderwaffles
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:43:00 -
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I made another video of it with the perspective of the carrier and the cyno ship, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8aV7T5nRw while people's opinions might be split whether the original one or this is better we could all probably agree it's much better than the current. |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.10.01 13:45:00 -
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Agreed... the flash of light and whatnot does add back some of the 'drama' that a cap drop needs, but it's still outclassed by the original.
For those who are unfamiliar with the original jump effects (I strongly recommend the mute button):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt4Au7vkM90
Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade
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Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:37:00 -
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I was hoping for something more than a bit of red flash being added to a wormhole, especially given the amount of time we have been waiting for an improvement. The old effects are clearly better and I was hoping for something as good or if not better than they were.
So is CCP so stretch thin working on their other games all they could do is add some red lipstick to a pig? |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:41:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:My guess is that the old one was incompatible with the current engine, and they had to redesign it. Since CCP seems to have a revolving door when it comes employees the Dev who made it is no longer there, and they can't recreate the exact same effect.
At least thats my guess on it.
More likely doing it properly would require effort and/or actually assigning dev time. |
Gregor Palter
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:28:00 -
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No, it's not good enough. The red glow is too easy, as if the guy designing it didn't really try very hard, or didn't have the time OR was simply incapable of making something truly good (Most of the newer stuff lacks the flair and aesthetics old EVE stuff did have). If I were the one person in charge I'd send it back to the drawing board with a "nice try, but no cigar".
The "but it's better than what we have" is no excuse, we're going to be stuck with this for a long time so why in the hell are they just not capable of making something truly spectacular?
Excuses are the refuge of the weak. |
Mastertz
Red Ghost Recon
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:33:00 -
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Is probably still going to be ugly. |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:13:00 -
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Just an idea,
Would be cool if the color of the Jump in flash could be dependent on the Fuel that the ship uses.
ex. Hydrogen = Blue Flash, Oxygen = Yellow, nitrogen = inert (Pick a color??), HELIUM = Pink (ROFL!) |
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.10.01 18:23:00 -
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Aerilis wrote:So I was playing around with the new Cyno effect on Sisi, and although it's a *slight* improvement to the current effect, I think the question on everyone's mind is: Why can't you just give us back the old one??Seriously, I think 90% of the playerbase agrees the old cyno ten times more awesome than whatever variation of the wormhole effect you can come up. There was just something to powerful, so majestic, like you could feel the very fabric of space time ripping apart from the sheer force of an entire cap fleet jumping in. This new one is just like derp glowing red ball, derp cap fleet suddenly appears. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBU0vs127PQ
I watched it and thought 'meh, is that it?' All these years waiting and that's what we end up with, roll on with watching this space. 
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:40:00 -
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Bunch of friggin cry babies, the new planned effect is cool.
Yes, the old one is best, but all of your bitching and whining is infinitely worse than even the current cyno effect.
You should all hold your breath and stomp your feet to complete the image. |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:55:00 -
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Zendoren wrote:Just an idea,
Would be cool if the color of the Jump in flash could be dependent on the Fuel that the ship uses.
ex. Hydrogen = Blue Flash, Oxygen = Yellow, nitrogen = inert (Pick a color??), HELIUM = Pink (ROFL!)
Apparently nitrogen is a magenta colour. |
Paulx203
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.10.01 19:57:00 -
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Not sure if like: I feel like there should be more of a spool up animation when jumping out. When landing on grid they should cut the portal bit and just have the flash. It would look better and conceal the model spawning.
Also It seems like they tried to throw in a combo of the last two when the ship lands which is what makes it look bad. They should either go back to the old one or make this one original. |
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.01 20:05:00 -
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I think the original cyno looked like crap.
It's messy.
The new effects look great. Can't wait to see them en masse.
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.10.02 00:16:00 -
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looks great, but i agree the color thing would be a nice idea
One little thing, the cloak effect somehow destroys the whole jump effect. They should hide the ship completely after the jump effect. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.02 00:40:00 -
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The old effect looks terrible.
You see this huge, spammy tunnel, but the ship doesn't move through it. There isn't even a flash of light going through the tunnel, to add the illusion of movement. It's just a cylinder-shaped explosion.
The new one has better structure, and makes a whole lot more sense. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.02 01:04:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:The old effect looks terrible.
This is where we knew you had no taste.
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Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.02 01:10:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:My guess is that the old one was incompatible with the current engine, and they had to redesign it. Since CCP seems to have a revolving door when it comes employees the Dev who made it is no longer there, and they can't recreate the exact same effect.
At least thats my guess on it.
My guess is different.
The engine differences are in it but a bit more extreme. The old one had a long play window for an effect, the graphics rendering for it - via the newer engine, would put a huge strain on the clients.
1-5 ships coming in? Not bad. 50+ ships and even a high-end multi-card rig could be brought to it's knees, potentially for an extended period due to the length of the effect as more and more ships are cyno'd in.
As such, to help reduce lag - that effect isn't used. "but it looks cool!" - so does CQ at first glance but the load... then multiple clients... Many have complaints about CQ.
As such, its easier to deal with a few "more shiny!" than huge outrage when a fleet jumps in and people lose ships due to extended lag on the client side. |
Naradius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2011.10.02 04:48:00 -
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The new effect is better than the current one, but I don't think it will make me shite my pants like the original did, whenever I was hot dropped.
It's still missing...something.
One of the "rabble brigade".
Rabble of the World UNITE! |
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.02 05:08:00 -
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Mocam wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:My guess is that the old one was incompatible with the current engine, and they had to redesign it. Since CCP seems to have a revolving door when it comes employees the Dev who made it is no longer there, and they can't recreate the exact same effect.
At least thats my guess on it. My guess is different. The engine differences are in it but a bit more extreme. The old one had a long play window for an effect, the graphics rendering for it - via the newer engine, would put a huge strain on the clients. 1-5 ships coming in? Not bad. 50+ ships and even a high-end multi-card rig could be brought to it's knees, potentially for an extended period due to the length of the effect as more and more ships are cyno'd in. As such, to help reduce lag - that effect isn't used. "but it looks cool!" - so does CQ at first glance but the load... then multiple clients... Many have complaints about CQ. As such, its easier to deal with a few "more shiny!" than huge outrage when a fleet jumps in and people lose ships due to extended lag on the client side.
What evidence makes you think that CCP cares even a little bit about client-side performance? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.10.02 05:10:00 -
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I like the new effect. It's not as impressive as the old one, but keep in mind that the scale of fights has changed very much since then. When jumping in 50 ships the old effects would completely cover the screen to the point of becoming a jumbled mess of white. The new effect sends a very clear message that stuff is about to go down (unlike the current one, which is very easy to miss), yet the flash of each individual ship is still distinct.
I absolutely love the idea of coloring the effect according to the racial propulsion system used. If there is any possibility at all of this ever getting into the game, that would probably be my favorite visual change ever. Also, jump in 20 random ships, fireworks!
What I do not like about the new effect is that it goes: ship appears, fireworks happen. I would prefer (and it would make more logical sense) to see the fireworks first, and the ship to emerge from the flash a second later. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.02 07:31:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:DarkAegix wrote:The old effect looks terrible.
This is where we knew you had no taste.
This is where you're blinded by nostalgia.
The old one was spammy, had no structure, and looked as if ships should be flying through it, but didn't. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.10.02 07:50:00 -
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KFenn wrote:Agreed... the flash of light and whatnot does add back some of the 'drama' that a cap drop needs, but it's still outclassed by the original. For those who are unfamiliar with the original jump effects (I strongly recommend the mute button): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt4Au7vkM90
Hah! Thanks for that. I was always wondering where Haffa from Clear Skies go his effect from, and now I know. |
Reeno Coleman
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Posted - 2011.10.02 08:01:00 -
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my only trouble with the current cyno effects (both on tq and sisi atm) is, that despite a cool effect in the background, ships just simply appear or vanish. I would expect to see some fading or warping of the ship model or an effect that is tied to the ship model instead of just being a blob. |
Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.02 08:14:00 -
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mkint wrote:Mocam wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:My guess is that the old one was incompatible with the current engine, and they had to redesign it. Since CCP seems to have a revolving door when it comes employees the Dev who made it is no longer there, and they can't recreate the exact same effect.
At least thats my guess on it. My guess is different. The engine differences are in it but a bit more extreme. The old one had a long play window for an effect, the graphics rendering for it - via the newer engine, would put a huge strain on the clients. 1-5 ships coming in? Not bad. 50+ ships and even a high-end multi-card rig could be brought to it's knees, potentially for an extended period due to the length of the effect as more and more ships are cyno'd in. As such, to help reduce lag - that effect isn't used. "but it looks cool!" - so does CQ at first glance but the load... then multiple clients... Many have complaints about CQ. As such, its easier to deal with a few "more shiny!" than huge outrage when a fleet jumps in and people lose ships due to extended lag on the client side. What evidence makes you think that CCP cares even a little bit about client-side performance?
What evidence makes you think they don't? CQ? Check the option not to load it. That doesn't work well for individual effects.
Every time we see a ton of complaints about graphic performance, they do something to adjust it and CQ's being new - it's taking time but they've already been heavily working on it to tun it up.
As such, adding 1 effect that would increase "lag" style issues in fleet ops would be frowned upon, server or client side, without an option to turn it off. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.02 08:30:00 -
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I agree with DarkAegix and Mac Tir, the old effect looked terrible and was scaled too big for the ships using it.
It also looked like something was going to zoom out of the cone of lightning but nothing ever did and a ship just appeared.
*braces for bittervet rage*
ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! |
Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.10.02 10:16:00 -
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The old one is much more majestic.
New one reminds me of a ship exlosion  |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.02 10:18:00 -
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I like the new cyno, so there.
Its not the same as before, but thats change for you!
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Spurty
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.02 12:16:00 -
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Their appearance after cyno'ing in doesn't make you feel like they achieved a really stonking fast approach across many light years of space.
It's more like teleportation than travel. There should be a gate the other side to catch or a 15km slow down animation to help suspend disbelief
Would force people to learn new cyno habits and cause more funny deaths than ever as people bounce off of stations (akin to popping cynos at pos shields )
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