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Looks promising, can't wait to get onto Dual to test them out :)


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So does this mean we *have* to have the mouse over the window we want to scroll at all times now?

Yes, it has to be one or the other, and most modern software seems to be trending towards mouse-over, so it makes sense to follow. It does eliminate a lot of unnecessary clicks.

I for one think this is awesome. I can't count how many times I've been looking at something (often the overview or chat) and tried to scroll, and been puzzled and annoyed for 2s until I realized the window didn't have focus and I needed to click first.

First page is first?? :)

In regards to UI performance -

If I warp away from a heavily structured POS (think 150+ structure & gun modules) and I have my ship cargohold open, I can warp and land nearly 30 AU away before my client starts responding again. If I close my cargohold, and warp, there is a slight delay about 2 seconds out, then it's all good.

I believe a bug report was filed for this (if not by me, then by others), but I don't remember any #'s.

Thanks

Very excited to see these changes, will take a look when I get home... Any chance that this might ship before the winter expansion?

I note that one of your options is new 'compact' mode with everything turned off, does this reduce lag on opening inventory? Also when you say everything off, this includes filter view and the isk value of the contents also off? (please random deity).

Thanks for these excellent updates. Tippia is gonna be very very pleased.

The additions look promising. But please tell me if you have fixed the bug which causes the index tree to ignore its previous width and open at its most narrow when the 'my filters' window is minimised?

If you're running EVE on a low-end PC then the sheer amount of UI elements might be the culprit, in which case the new isolated trees are going to help a lot. Edge case lag defects can be hard to fix because they're usually hard for us to repro, so I encourage you to FRAPS a video and link it in a bug report, as such videos can come in real handy to figure out what's actually going on.

If you're running EVE on a low-end PC then the sheer amount of UI elements might be the culprit, in which case the new isolated trees are going to help a lot. Edge case lag defects can be hard to fix because they're usually hard for us to repro, so I encourage you to FRAPS a video and link it in a bug report, as such videos can come in real handy to figure out what's actually going on.

FPS drops even when warping away from a mining belt on a supper rig but the inventory makes it worse.

By vertical, I take it the tree is the only way to access divisions short of spending time dragging divisions out to their own windows, and then stacking them to re-create the more efficient tab environment of the previous inventory system? If I do this for every array at my POS, will the stacked windows stay put in this future release so I can chop down the Tree? Or perhaps an option to turn tabs on for an array with divisons?

I for one shrink the tree away, as it takes up screen space that is best used for other things, it's ineffecient to use, especially at a POS with alot of arrays. IMHO, the tree is the worst part of the new inventory. It's most annoying to have to expand the tree, scroll around to find the proper array, select division, and then shrink it back versus simply clicking on a tab once I've opened the inventory for that array.


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Not sure if this has been suggested before, but a cool feature would be that if I drag inventories to the neocom when I'm at a POS, and then warp away, they drop off. But return when I get back in range. Could apply to stations as well.

This happens even on a normal PC (AMD FX-6100 3.3GHz, 16GB RAM, Win7 64bit, NVIDIA GTX 460 1GB). If you have inventory windows open when you warp away from a research or death-star POS, your client's FPS will drop to about 3 (down from 60 FPS) for 20-30 seconds. To be specific, we're talking about a POS tower with:

- At least 4+ manufacturing arrays, each with 20-30 stacks of items in it spread across the divisions
- 30+ weapon batteries, each with 1 stack of ammo
- 8+ research labs with 10+ stacks of datacores / interfaces / decryptors in each along with 100+ BPCs in each from copy jobs

Which is about average for a research tower as you tend to only tend to them every 3-4 days (unloading BPCs, restocking datacores or other consumables, or restocking the arrays and hauling away finished goods).

...

Two other major performance issues in the current Unified Inventory on TQ are:

- A hangar with 3 bookmarks sitting on a corporate hangar floor results in a multi-second lag every time you dock and attempt to open up the corporate hangar tree. Even if there's nothing else in the corporate hangar, the bookmarks cause a slowdown.

- A corp hangar with 25,000+ BPCs or other item stacks, even though those BPCs are nicely tucked away in multiple containers, takes 20-30 seconds for the tree to respond to user input. (Why so many BPCs? Because they don't stack and they tend to accumulate over time and are a hassle to try and sell.) Under the old UI, access to the corporate division hangar was instant because it was well behaved and didn't look inside the containers until it needed to.

I'm pretty sure that we now have all such cases covered, but could you give me a step by step repro? If it's along those lines:
1) Open a wreck in a seperate inventory window
2) Expand tree and configure width
3) Close window and open another wreck
4) Expand tree view and notice that tree width hasn't persisted
... then I just fixed that minutes ago.

I would like to restate this again also. The #1 issue for me has been the huge performance hit with the new system. Corp hangers with lots of assembled ships (for UI purposes a container) result in massive lag times. Assembling ships is godawful on performance, mass dragging them, godawful. This was not the case in the old inventory system that did not make a little tree stub for every container.

Can someone please tune this part of the system?

I'm someone. How many assembled ships are we talking about here?

Are you talking about framedrop (decreased FPS for a limited time) or unusually long server response time (spinning wheels)? If the former, then the compact mode will help somewhat, but what will help even more is the tree isolation of secondary windows.

The compact mode will hide the tree, capacity gauge, quick filter box and estimated prices. That's about everything aside from the items if I'm not mistaken.

I'm someone. How many assembled ships are we talking about here?

You're right that the tree is incredibly inefficient to use when it has a lot of entries. That's why I'm certain that the tree isolation feature will come in handy as it allows you to work within any branch of the tree in a separate window which will persist it's settings based on what branch of the tree you are working within.



By vertical, I take it the tree is the only way to access divisions short of spending time dragging divisions out to their own windows, and then stacking them to re-create the more efficient tab environment of the previous inventory system? If I do this for every array at my POS, will the stacked windows stay put in this future release so I can chop down the Tree? Or perhaps an option to turn tabs on for an array with divisons?

Not as good as the old tabs, (will still eat more screen space having to keep a tree open), but given the only other option of spending several minutes dragging and stacking windows to create easy-access tabs each time I go to my research POS, it will be less painful.

Question : Once I break a branch off to a secondary window for say, a corp hangar at a POS, will it persist that way when I return to the POS later and just access corp hangar inventory from the right click menu or will I have to open the primary each time and drag out the needed arrays? I know, probably splitting hairs for the amount of time involved, but research/manufacturing at a tower went from just tedious to simply terrible when the new inventory came out. Anything to reduce the time/click requirements will be appreciated.

One new stuff. The multi-use capabilities. When a someone has a unified open, with a few stuff collapsed in the treeview (like the ship's corp hangar), and some else starts to switch ships from an SMA, then the first said's inventory's trees starts to open and blink all around. This is very annoying when i'm moving stuff around, someone decides to switch ships and suddenly i'm moving all the stuff to the wrong places.

Looting still opens a large new ships cargo bay window even if i have a minimized one already open.

Do you have the "Open in a separate window" option enabled? If not it will still use the primary window and whatever settings that has. We have a tweak that didn't make it into this build where if you have the tree view of your main window collapsed wrecks/containers will always open in another window.

Wrecks not opening after approaching them is a defect. We'll get that fixed, though unlikely to be for this version of the client.

Test completed and feedback edited in to page 1. Took little longer than expected as needed account reactivation.

Thanks that looks great!

For issue two, we are already planning to implement filter text persisting between folders in the tree view (so good to know we're on the right track). Regard your first issue, what about using just single click to select the division if you are not opening them in new windows?

I'll follow up on the bugs you noted, thanks again.

Thanks that looks great!

For issue two, we are already planning to implement filter text persisting between folders in the tree view (so good to know we're on the right track). Regard your first issue, what about using just single click to select the division if you are not opening them in new windows?

I'll follow up on the bugs you noted, thanks again.

Would it be hard/stupid to allow short cuts (and possibly even icons, that we can chose to drag to the bar) for specific views?

Like Ye Olde quick access to cargo, items, ships and corp hangar?

Filters are very nice and very useful, the problem is that they only control what you see, not what you can access.

And there's a serious difference between keeping gadget A and gadget B in different hangars, or keeping them visible with different filters.

@CCP Optimal

Please, I beg you to look into implementing a dual panel.

Something like this: http://i.imgur.com/j8Jyn.jpg

This!
I have found runing 2 inventory window side by side is the most efficient way to do it.

Same as it were the only way to make explorer in windows usefull

*born and rise with Norton commander*

Thanks that looks great!

For issue two, we are already planning to implement filter text persisting between folders in the tree view (so good to know we're on the right track). Regard your first issue, what about using just single click to select the division if you are not opening them in new windows?

I'll follow up on the bugs you noted, thanks again.

Would this method not work the same as a dual panel?

1. Open up two Inventory windows, 'Inventory' and 'Active ship' for example.
2. Set the Active Ship window to Compact mode.
3. Snap the Active Ship inventory window to the Right edge of the Inventory window, making both same height and stick together.
4. Hold 'Shift' to drag both windows as one.

Additionally, you can set windows to open in new window (or hold shift when double clicking them) and move those window into a stack in the window to the right. That way all window you open will appear in the 2nd window, in different tabs.

We are also working on Back & Forward mechanics for the Inventory

Will it be possible again to open new windows with simple double clicks as promised? I hate shift+click or ANY other mysterious hidden SHORTCUT. I hate shortcuts at whole!
CCP Arrow said that he and his team is willed to bring an option, compareable to an "autoShift", to be able to open new seperate windows WITHOUT any shift+click again. I do not see this in your description.

Does a new window pop up if I double click at wrecks in space and does this window AUTOCLOSE itself after looting?

I do not like the whole concept of primary and secondary windows. I just want windows. ALL equal and emerging via double clicks.
My inventory is a mess. I use containers and to use SHIFT+Click is horrible. I just want double clicks for new windows. I want more than one or two windows!

The Inventory Settings option in the top-left corner of the Inventory window allow you to 'Always open in separate window'. If you check that ON, you should get exactly what you want. You don't need to wait for this feature, it's already on TQ

The Inventory Settings option in the top-left corner of the Inventory window allow you to 'Always open in separate window'. If you check that ON, you should get exactly what you want. You don't need to wait for this feature, it's already on TQ

New GÇ£InventoryGÇ¥ group added to the EVE menu containing Inventory, Item Hangar, Ship Hangar, Corporate Hangar, Deliveries and Active Ship. You can then drag any or all of those buttons to the Neocom itself for one click access to your most used inventories.

I have now tried this option and enabled it. And I have to say that it is WONDERFUL!!!!!!!
It is nearly exact the same thing that I wanted since the first version of this unified inventory hits TQ.
If you now could really bring:


I can say that it is, for me, perfect again! It would simulate a perfect copy of the old non-unified Inventory with all benefits of the old UI. Two or more windows - Drag&Drop and job done! Thank you CCP. REALLY THANK YOU (this time).

But I have to ask one thing.. how long is this option available? I try to read all patch notes but never noticed such a, for me, important functionality. Strange....

Its been available for 4 months or so.

:lost of words:

OK steps to recreate:-
1) Sit docked in a station and open inventory (click icon or use Alt-C)
2) Expand tree and configure width
3) Make sure the "My Filters" menu at the bottom of the Tree is closed.
4) Close Inventory.
5) Now open inventory again (click icon or use Alt-C)
6) Note that the Tree is at its most narrow width and the previous width has not persisted.

The key point for this bug is that the "My Filters" menu is closed. By having the "My Filters" menu open when closing the inventory, the Tree width persists with no problems.

Can you guys please PLEASE add the revamped features to the merged items panel in stations (you know, that little check box in General Settings that merges your station hangar and ship hangar with the station panel on the right) ?

Definitely agree with the above poster of being able to select everything, drop it into 'item hangar' and have it auto-sort the ships into the ship hangar.


However, what is the feasibility of removing the 'snap-to' feature for the icons on the UI bar? I would love to have the ability to separate them into separate areas (i.e. ship/item hangar off on their own for ease of access). Is this something that could be done relatively easily, or at all?

I'm sure I am not the only one interested in this particular functionality being added.

I would like to restate this again also. The #1 issue for me has been the huge performance hit with the new system. Corp hangers with lots of assembled ships (for UI purposes a container) result in massive lag times. Assembling ships is godawful on performance, mass dragging them, godawful. This was not the case in the old inventory system that did not make a little tree stub for every container.

Can someone please tune this part of the system?

Havent seen a post about it BUT when using "compact" mode for ship cargo holds and you close it down and try to open up again with the cargo hold button on the cap console it just minimizes and doesn't come up

Looks ok so far, but my personal "main issue" hasn't been adresses from what I see.

Do windows still close if you leave the grid?

As an example: If you warp to a PoS array, open it up and warp to a celestial - will the PoS-array window close? If yes, please change this, or give us an option to pin down such windows.

Can someone give me a light on this?

Do such windows persist once the new features are online?