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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
267
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:26:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:As the titles says. I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield. WELL! To be frank.. I think not... I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k. Thats even worse than my Drake. While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff. SO HERE IS THE QUESTION! What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it? Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16
All subsystems V. Perhaps you could skimp on the propulsion one and leave it to IV. Hull you can train to IV. Goes without saying you should be using at least T2 fittings on it excluding the rigs.
The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |

Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1644
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:37:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Alright, although I'm not fond of your fit (and really not that fond of the Tengu either), I went ahead and did a side by side comparison of your EFT numbers and mine using your exact fit. And as you can see, the difference in primary and support skills between you and I make a HUGE difference. My implants reflected there are all standard + to attributes that I wear to accelerate skill training, so the numbers would be a bit higher if I was in my missile implant clone. I realized I forgot to fit rigs to mine after the fact. Side by side EFT Numbers
Seeing this makes me feel a whole hell of a lot better about my fit. Finally bothered to get EFT http://imgur.com/28Ddw "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
163
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Posted - 2012.10.19 06:46:00 -
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I use my Tengu for sneaky flying around 0.0, mwa ha ha ha! Love laughing at gate camps with warp bubbles up.  ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |

WakeTurbulence
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
7
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Posted - 2012.10.19 07:36:00 -
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yeah d00d...
your fit sucks. swap those meta4 for T2 HMLs. I can get over 800 DPS out of my 10gu with HMLs and implants. With that said, when shooting next to my buddies Mach which on paper does more DPS my 10gu kills mission BS faster.
Tengus also utilize speed tanking so the 34k EHP you see is actually more when you factor in AB speed. As long as you manage mission agro, keep moving and avoid getting webbed, there isn't a L4 mission you cant do with only 2 T2 invuls and a pith-c med sbooster. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1004
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Posted - 2012.10.19 08:01:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply. But you had me going there for a minute. Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P Yep, most of my tengu fits use T2 MBLA + 2 flares or bay thrusters for HAM, the only alternative is 2 rigors + flare or 3 field extenders for thundercats. There's no excuse no to imo. Tengus really don't need CCCs (aside from 100mn ones), they're a damn waste of rig slots/calibrations since we can fit a reasonable or even an absurd level of tank without resorting to large even med boosters. My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1583
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Posted - 2012.10.19 08:25:00 -
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Ioci wrote:You didn't hear? They are nerfing Tengu.
2005 Caldari 2007 Ca*dari 2010 Ca*d*ri 2012 C****ri Not really no. HAM tengus are going to be really awesome after the missile changes (esp. if they decided to go through with the TC/TE change). HML tengus will still be the best overall PvE T3 out of 4 of them; in a sense that the nerf doesn't really change anything much in comparison to current and after nerf performance compared to the other T3s.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range.. Yeah I can see how some people like to push the range further. I was hoping CCP go through with the TC changes  "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |

Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
146
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Posted - 2012.10.19 08:28:00 -
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Good lord, how is this thread still going;
@OP;
Your skills are bad, your fit is bad, and you should feel bad.
Tengus (as they currently stand) are generally 100MN HML fit for PVP, and HML Rigor/Flare Rigged for PVE, your fit is bad and you should feel bad, as I say.
Also, did somebody above me say 100MN Tengus need CCCs....
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
231
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Posted - 2012.10.19 09:53:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Good lord, how is this thread still going; @OP; Your skills are bad, your fit is bad, and you should feel bad. Tengus (as they currently stand) are generally 100MN HML fit for PVP, and HML Rigor/Flare Rigged for PVE, your fit is bad and you should feel bad, as I say. Also, did somebody above me say 100MN Tengus need CCCs.... 
But HML is getting nerfed soon.  I don't want to waste time and effort towards a missile I probably won't use again in a longggg time. And 100MN???? How in the hell are you going to fit that? It is forbidden to kill. Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |

Alice Saki
12622
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Posted - 2012.10.19 09:55:00 -
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Lol.... this is awesome, I think I'm the only one who's clicked... Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
310
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:16:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:As the titles says. I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield. WELL! To be frank.. I think not... I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k. Thats even worse than my Drake. While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff. SO HERE IS THE QUESTION! What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it? Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16 Crikey I have a Navy Omen that could stomp that Tengu. That's some absurdly low EHP and DPS for PvP in a ship that expensive.
I love how everyone ignores the fact that char can't fly tengu, it is getting no sub bonuses, hence the terrible dps etc. So yes your nomen could stomp that tengu, but only if the player magically got in it without having skills.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
568
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:18:00 -
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while this is a stupid thread, HML cloak tengu is already total garbage and after the dps and range nerf will be so bad, you might as well consider a covops frig for better dps. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
231
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:28:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:while this is a stupid thread, HML cloak tengu is already total garbage and after the dps and range nerf will be so bad, you might as well consider a covops frig for better dps. But I'm not eve fitting a cloaky HML I am fitting for a Heavy DPS HAMgu It is forbidden to kill. Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |

admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
104
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:48:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Lol.... this is awesome, I think I'm the only one who's clicked...
No, I noticed it, too. |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
698
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:54:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:while this is a stupid thread, HML cloak tengu is already total garbage and after the dps and range nerf will be so bad, you might as well consider a covops frig for better dps. But I'm not eve fitting a cloaky HML I am fitting for a Heavy DPS HAMgu
In case you missed my post a couple of pages back, here is a side by side comparison of your skills with your fit, to my skills with your fit.
The difference is fairly drastic, and should give you a good idea of how much things change after you've trained your skills up by quite a bit. As many others in this thread, I don't really like your Tengu fit, but I just wanted to use it purely as a side by side example.
Mine is without implants that would help the numbers, and even without the rigs.
http://imageshack.us/a/img571/6869/tengueft.jpg
As for the 100mn Tengu's,
They can be quite difficult to fit, let alone fly. But I highly doubt you have the skills trained that would let you fly a 100mn in the first place. They tend to be a fairly tight fit. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:08:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply. But you had me going there for a minute. Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P Yep, most of my tengu fits use T2 MBLA + 2 flares or bay thrusters for HAM, the only alternative is 2 rigors + flare or 3 field extenders for thundercats. There's no excuse no to imo. Tengus really don't need CCCs (aside from 100mn ones), they're a damn waste of rig slots/calibrations since we can fit a reasonable or even an absurd level of tank without resorting to large even med boosters. My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range. Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Sry if you can't find out how to. Now if you ask me if this might actually have any use, I'd say probably. Do I fit it alike and use all the necessary stuff to bring it at those numbers?-no
But is it possible? -yes it is. Did I say it was impossible? No. But for the vast majority of T3 pilots, including those who use them in PVP, it's rather unrealistic. Officer fit with full slave set, max damage implants (including Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink), T2 trimarks, full Legion boosts, and overheat were necessary to get it to 1396 DPS and 438k EHP. If you're going to put out numbers, make sure you didn't have to create a completely ridiculous fit to get there.
It's just like the same old stupid calling for "nurf Tengu" when they're talking about specific setups using billions os isk/implants/combat boosters and OGB.
A T2 fitted Tengu was never and will never ever be OP or even something you really want to fly. The fact you can use some more or less chapo ded mods to make it function properly doesn't make it OP neither but a valid option you pay with extra weeks training, a valid option hundreds of stupid are unable to understand the major problem why Drakes and Tengus are that used is their weapon system and so on.
So it's good to talk about how op some ships with billions of fitting are but not others? -then it's called misinformation, not a discussion. brb |

Matthew97
Pro Synergy ARK.
57
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:09:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:As the titles says. I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield. WELL! To be frank.. I think not... I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k. Thats even worse than my Drake. While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff. SO HERE IS THE QUESTION! What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it? Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16
Wait until heavys get a nerf of 20% DPS xD
Also my Tengu atm can pull out something aroud 530dps with a EHP of (Much higher than 50k) |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
698
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:13:00 -
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And as a side question...
Was there a reason why you thought you should train your Caldari sub system skills up BEFORE EVEN HAVING trained Caldari Strategic Cruiser?
And further, a reason why you bothered before even having Caldari Cruiser 5?! |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
232
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:16:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:And as a side question...
Was there a reason why you thought you should train your Caldari sub system skills up BEFORE EVEN HAVING trained Caldari Strategic Cruiser?
And further, a reason why you bothered without even having Caldari cruiser 5 yet? :P
peer pressure  It is forbidden to kill. Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
698
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:17:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:JC Anderson wrote:And as a side question...
Was there a reason why you thought you should train your Caldari sub system skills up BEFORE EVEN HAVING trained Caldari Strategic Cruiser?
And further, a reason why you bothered without even having Caldari cruiser 5 yet? :P peer pressure 
*Throws you a bottle of pills and lets you know that all the cool kids are doing them.* |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
568
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:18:00 -
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i love my 'gu
gunna have to invest in sheettty HAMs too, that sucks i dont want to tickle people at 60k with HML when i can mess them up far better with some artys.
dont give me the balance bull, HMLs are not the great destroyer, blobs of drakes use HMLs well BECAUSE ITS A BLOB DURR anything is good when you have 200 of them.
sigh
RIP HML tengu http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
914
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:20:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:As the titles says. I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield. WELL! To be frank.. I think not... I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k. Thats even worse than my Drake. While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff. SO HERE IS THE QUESTION! What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it? Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16
@Ivy
Just in case this has not already been mentioned : Each time your Tengu explodes, be prepared to lose 1 whole Skill level in a randomly-selected skill related to the Tengu T3 module rigs.
If your core skills are not all at 5's, you're not going to benefit from the best this ship delivers. It was never meant to be cheap or easy to fly and losing a ship like this carries it's penalties. You don't just lose a ship, you lose a skill level.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
698
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:21:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:i love my 'gu
gunna have to invest in sheettty HAMs too, that sucks i dont want to tickle people at 60k with HML when i can mess them up far better with some artys.
dont give me the balance bull, HMLs are not the great destroyer, blobs of drakes use HMLs well BECAUSE ITS A BLOB DURR anything is good when you have 200 of them.
sigh
RIP HML tengu
Nerfing the drake as well.
It doesn't really matter though... I would much rather shoot exotic dancers at people. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:25:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:anything is good when you have 200 of them.
Ever seen blobs of 200 Brutixes?
Blobs of 200 Deimos - Moas - Eagles etc? brb |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
568
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:27:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:anything is good when you have 200 of them. Ever seen blobs of 200 Brutixes? Blobs of 200 Deimos - Moas - Eagles etc?
its the issue of being easy to skill for that makes them so damned popular.
FC do math and work with their player base skill level, if HML took as long to skill up for as some artys or rails i doubt we would have this issue.
and thats a shame because the caldaris missile range doctrine is pretty much all they have. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |

WrATH2Zero
Overloard Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:33:00 -
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Get a Gila then but you'll need good Drone skills to make it work with T2 drones. A Gila can do L4 missions, fast with afterburner and small signature radius. Tengu = Uber skills required, no if's or buts.
Personally I've made my Caldary Navy Raven work better with some L4 skills and deadspace/faction stuff but like said, it's about skills and even a CNR would be poor without T2 drones, shield skills and high missile DPS. Personally I wouldn't touch a Tengu, I don't have the skills set so sell it and get a Battleship, Gilla or Ishtar. |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
698
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:53:00 -
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OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors. |

Alice Saki
12658
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:53:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors.
Ohhhh someones getting it Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
233
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:26:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:JC Anderson wrote:OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors. Ohhhh someones getting it
I think I lost ONE friend because of this post lol It is forbidden to kill. Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
105
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:27:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:the answer is 4
Wat Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |

Alice Saki
12721
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:34:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Alice Saki wrote:JC Anderson wrote:OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors. Ohhhh someones getting it I think I lost ONE friend because of this post lol
Not bad 6 pages :P Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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