Stupid or trolling?

Only 300 DPS? Confirming your skills are sh**.

Some from column A, some from column B.

Your first mistake was Tengu. Your second mistake was admitting to owning Tengu.

why?
I got it from a bargain in Jita?
The ship was only 30 mil below market price :O
I guess since HML is getting nerfed soon, and I won't be using them on a Tengu, its not gonna affect me as bad.
Perfect time to jump onto the T3 wagon... or so I thought.

Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull.

The tengu does NOT have the ability to tank like a drakes does

why?
I got it from a bargain in Jita?
The ship was only 30 mil below market price :O
I guess since HML is getting nerfed soon, and I won't be using them on a Tengu, its not gonna affect me as bad.
Perfect time to jump onto the T3 wagon... or so I thought.

That's weird. The PvE fit I came up with has a flat 1176 DPS tank against Guristas with 566 DPS on HMs. Guess I'm doing it wrong.

Getting a bargain on something is usually the first sign that the product is bad.

To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years
Is there a faster way around this?

No i am very sorry there really is not, while you can ignore the certs, for the most part they are right. go to lower cheaper hull, and work your way up. There are no shortcuts here that i know of.

To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years
Is there a faster way around this?

well.. I guess me and Drakey is gonna be stuck together for a while.

2 years to get -

- Core Comp Standard
- Active Shield Tanking standard
- Cruiser Launcher Control Standard

???

ofc my skills are ****, but I don't want to go around wasting time on useless skills that'll be marginal at helping me becoming an effective tengu pilot.
Thats why I'm here to ask for advice :O

2 years to get -

- Core Comp Standard
- Active Shield Tanking standard
- Cruiser Launcher Control Standard

???

Well, it is a great time to enjoy their power before they get nerfed, thus pay less for them. In the future, after it had been nerfed, HAMs will be used over HMLs. I think that they will be more effective as well.

While on Battleclinic

I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Sig tanking with a 10mn afterburner with kinetic HMLs can get you almost 700 dps with lvl 5 offensive subsystem.

Sig tanking at 500m/s is what gives you the ability to offset 99% of incoming damage (everything that does a ton of damage misses, beware of battlecrusiers). The tengu does NOT have the ability to tank like a drakes does, and a drake does not have the ability to sig tank like a tengu does.

keep moving, avoid webs, kill BC's first

Rouge drones is an entirely different story.... (I LOST MY TENGU a couple days ago in a 5/10 rouge drone anom.... /sob)

Found the problem, http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ivy%20Romanova

OP doesn't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet, and has all subsystem skills at level 2, Heavy Missiles level 3, Warhead Upgrades at just level 1.

300 dps? jesus christ dude my over-tanked nighthawk with 1 bcu on it deals out 400, come on.

To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years
Is there a faster way around this?

As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years
Is there a faster way around this?

It would be helpful to see your fit before we can tell you why you are bad.

Don't get distracted by certificates! The certificates will insist on skills that add nothing to your HML performance (such as rockets, light missiles, assault missiles).

Make sure you're using the 6-launcher Accelerated Ejection Bay fitting. Then focus entirely on the skills that will improve missile damage or rate of fire (Heavy Missiles, Warhead Upgrades, Rapid Launch). Fit 6 T2 HMLs, 3 or 4 CN Ballistic Controls. The work on the missile support skills: guided missile precision etc.

Then work on your tank, starting with Acceleration Control, Navigation, Evasive Manoeuvres, and faction AB with T2 overdrive. Get all the Caldari Subsystems skills to 5.

You'll have a viable Tengu pilot in about three months, with another year or so to get that extra 20% of performance from a swathe of level 5 skills. Skills such as Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection will help overall, but won't impact your DPS or tank (well, except by letting you shoot from further away, which means you won't be taking as much damage, which means your existing tank will perform better).

To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years
Is there a faster way around this?

As the titles says.
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm

Stop using certs. Learn to fit a ship and then train those skills specifically.

or the uber gank prot with 1400dps and +400K EHP.

As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...

Rigs

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

As for PvP, not a ruddy clue

Thx for proving my point :D
May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll????

Did you ever bother trying to achieve these numbers in EFT? Just... wow.

PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply.

But you had me going there for a minute.

Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P

Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin'

Since I can perma run my large shield booster and AB, I'd say the fit is fine. Jus' sayin'.

If by "fine" you mean you're wasting 400 calibration and 3 rig slots which can be used to significantly increase your dps, improve your tank or better damage against smaller/faster targets with rigors/flares, then.. Ok.

PS: you do know that a tengu can go over 1k dps tank even with small boosters right?

While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...

PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

DAT 'EM hole..

SRSly post the fit next time you brag about your leet EFT skills

Thx for proving my point :D
May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll????

You don't need all the skills at V however you better have Hvy missiles or HAM's at V , spec skill at III-IV. Subsystem skills at IV and V for the offensive one. Missile support skills should be at least at IV and let's not forget your capacitor & shield skills are pretty important too. The thing is, the Tengu is a pretty expensive ship and you don't wanna spend so much money on a ship you'll only be able to use at 50% of its capacity.

capacitor??
why do I need more cap??
Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost

capacitor??
why do I need more cap??
Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost

Did you ever bother trying to achieve these numbers in EFT? Just... wow.

Don't fly any ship unless you are appropriately skilled to fly it.

And conversely prepared to lose the ship.

As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

Alright, although I'm not fond of your fit (and really not that fond of the Tengu either), I went ahead and did a side by side comparison of your EFT numbers and mine using your exact fit.

And as you can see, the difference in primary and support skills between you and I make a HUGE difference. My implants reflected there are all standard + to attributes that I wear to accelerate skill training, so the numbers would be a bit higher if I was in my missile implant clone.

I realized I forgot to fit rigs to mine after the fact.

Side by side EFT Numbers

Yep, most of my tengu fits use T2 MBLA + 2 flares or bay thrusters for HAM, the only alternative is 2 rigors + flare or 3 field extenders for thundercats. There's no excuse no to imo. Tengus really don't need CCCs (aside from 100mn ones), they're a damn waste of rig slots/calibrations since we can fit a reasonable or even an absurd level of tank without resorting to large even med boosters.

You didn't hear?
They are nerfing Tengu.

2005 Caldari
2007 Ca*dari
2010 Ca*d*ri
2012 C****ri

My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range..

Good lord, how is this thread still going;

@OP;

Your skills are bad, your fit is bad, and you should feel bad.

Tengus (as they currently stand) are generally 100MN HML fit for PVP, and HML Rigor/Flare Rigged for PVE, your fit is bad and you should feel bad, as I say.


Also, did somebody above me say 100MN Tengus need CCCs....

Crikey I have a Navy Omen that could stomp that Tengu.

That's some absurdly low EHP and DPS for PvP in a ship that expensive.

while this is a stupid thread, HML cloak tengu is already total garbage and after the dps and range nerf will be so bad, you might as well consider a covops frig for better dps.

Lol.... this is awesome, I think I'm the only one who's clicked...

But I'm not eve fitting a cloaky HML
I am fitting for a Heavy DPS HAMgu

My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range.


Did I say it was impossible? No. But for the vast majority of T3 pilots, including those who use them in PVP, it's rather unrealistic. Officer fit with full slave set, max damage implants (including Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink), T2 trimarks, full Legion boosts, and overheat were necessary to get it to 1396 DPS and 438k EHP.

If you're going to put out numbers, make sure you didn't have to create a completely ridiculous fit to get there.

As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

And as a side question...

Was there a reason why you thought you should train your Caldari sub system skills up BEFORE EVEN HAVING trained Caldari Strategic Cruiser?

And further, a reason why you bothered without even having Caldari cruiser 5 yet? :P

peer pressure

As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

i love my 'gu

gunna have to invest in sheettty HAMs too, that sucks i dont want to tickle people at 60k with HML when i can mess them up far better with some artys.

dont give me the balance bull, HMLs are not the great destroyer, blobs of drakes use HMLs well BECAUSE ITS A BLOB DURR anything is good when you have 200 of them.

sigh

RIP HML tengu

anything is good when you have 200 of them.

Ever seen blobs of 200 Brutixes?

Blobs of 200 Deimos - Moas - Eagles etc?

OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors.

Ohhhh someones getting it

the answer is 4

I think I lost ONE friend because of this post lol

I think I lost ONE friend because of this post lol

It's just like the same old stupid calling for "nurf Tengu" when they're talking about specific setups using billions os isk/implants/combat boosters and OGB.

A T2 fitted Tengu was never and will never ever be OP or even something you really want to fly.

The fact you can use some more or less chapo ded mods to make it function properly doesn't make it OP neither but a valid option you pay with extra weeks training, a valid option hundreds of stupid are unable to understand the major problem why Drakes and Tengus are that used is their weapon system and so on.

So it's good to talk about how op some ships with billions of fitting are but not others? -then it's called misinformation, not a discussion.

As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years
Is there a faster way around this?

Discussion is already over... OP was trolling.

As you can see from Eve-Board they trained the Caldari Sub System skills to 2 but don't even have Caldari Cruiser 5 yet and likewise no Caldari Strategic Cruiser skill. :P

Was a pretty convincing troll though I must admit!

Must be their sekret alt that uses tengus.

Super duper sekret.

I'm still trying to figure out how did this thread get people keep on replying till page 7+
Maybe because people are too busy dissing each other out lol

I'm still trying to figure out how did this thread get people keep on replying till page 7+
Maybe because people are too busy dissing each other out lol

the answer is 4

ofc my skills are ****, but I don't want to go around wasting time on useless skills that'll be marginal at helping me becoming an effective tengu pilot.
Thats why I'm here to ask for advice :O