You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play.

This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you."

You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play.

This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you."

It would appear that my 'Free Ruby' campaign was a great success.

solution to bumping inbalances

realistic collision modeling

halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!

Erm...nobody would ever be able to dock or undock without blowing up?

Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.
Now I'll leave the definition of Miner Bumping to James but for the sake of your argument, what exactly is wrong with running an extortion business in EVE?

Last time I looked, barges and exhumers had no weapons, hence they CANNOT fight back. Hell. they can't even warp away if they're bumped out of alignment, so they can't escape the bumpers either.
If their drones attack the bumper, they get Concordokkened.

Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line.

Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line.
It is just what you call it.
Also miners can only fight against a minority, remember most of these bumpers jump to npc corp.
And until a majority are in THE NEW ORDER INC. it can not be said that miners can fight back.

Last time I looked, barges and exhumers had no weapons, hence they CANNOT fight back. Hell. they can't even warp away if they're bumped out of alignment, so they can't escape the bumpers either.
If their drones attack the bumper, they get Concordokkened.

Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line.
It is just what you call it.
Also miners can only fight against a minority, remember most of these bumpers jump to npc corp.
And until a majority are in THE NEW ORDER INC. it can not be said that miners can fight back.

You just can't fight against them via wardecs (if you'd like wardecs fixed so you can dec them, I'm sure they'll help you push CCP to fix corp hopping and the use of NPC corps to escape wardecs ).

Extortion is perfectly legal in EVE:Online.
So is Scamming, Theft, Piracy, Lieing, Spying, Assassination, and so on.

You can fight against every single bumper.

2 Ships.
Vigil + MWD + Scram + Webs
Stabber + MWD + Whatever

Scram/Web the bumper, Bump them away.

Or, Scram/Web the bumper, Shoot them in the face with Catalysts or Tornadoes.

You just can't fight against them via wardecs (if you'd like wardecs fixed so you can dec them, I'm sure they'll help you push CCP to fix corp hopping and the use of NPC corps to escape wardecs ).

I'm pretty sure the Scram/Web/Shooting gets you concordokkened. And happens to result in the bumper winning at the same time, since they will get kill rights on you come Retribution, to activate at their leisure to then kill your Hulk/Mack/Skiff with no Concordokken happening to protect you. And also means you have stopped mining to go and get another ship to bump them with.
All of which means Bumpers win.

There is no way for a miner to win against the Bumping tactic.

So my advice to miners. HTFU. Take the bumping. Use Orbit to drag you back into range of your roids when possible. Use a prop mod & pulse it on a Exhumer (Barges lack the slots), Warp to a safe, then to the other side of the belt. Warp to a different belt. But DO NOT pay the bumpers. Paying the bumpers simply encourages them. Even if you technically 'loose' money by not paying, it only makes sure they will keep going if you do pay.
Unless you are totally afk, it's not going to ruin your day, it's only going to cost you a few minutes of mining, and if they keep singling you out in the middle of a crowd of 200 miners for hours/days, then complain about directed harrassment. Till they spend days just bumping you and not even letting you warp out/back to station, it's just a business scam they are trying to run.

Bump griefing

Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.

You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it

I would like a little ratification on directed Harassment.

Does that include singling out a player by threatening the corp he is in with wardecs till he is kicked every single time he joins a corp or spreading false rumors on the web to get him blacklisted by half of the game community and otherwise making his gaming time on EVE a nightmare?

I doubt your appearance on minerbumping.com has you blacklisted by half the game community. I think you know this is a question better asked of a game master, and I think your question implies the New Order (though not mentioned specifically) has been involved in your being kicked out of more corps than you have - one.

Please don't speak such unfair and vile insinuations of such a perfectly legitimate and charitable institution as the New Order of Highsec.

I;m not talking to the New order...I;m talking to people who actually play the game and know the definition of 'directed harassment'

You are posting in a thread begun by an esteemed Agent of the New Order of Highsec, some of the most experienced and avid players of EVE Online, paragons of knowledge and virtue. Not a truth they do not comprehend, never a deceit pass their lips.

Nevertheless this thread is about encouraging CCP to more fully recognise the achievements and emergent gameplay the New Order is providing, and is not an entirely suitable place to ask your question as it is a bit off-topic and unlikely to be seen. Perhaps you should start your own thread?

His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back.
He's running an extortion business pure and simple.

Then why is every corp I apply telling me to go for one of two reasons

Number 1: They don;t want to get on your bosses bad side

Number 2: They don;t want a 'Scumbag Corp Thief in their corp'

I have at least three evemails over the last week telling me to quit eve 'for my own good'

Oh...and go away please, benny...I;m not talking to the New order...I;m talking to people who actually play the game and know the definition of 'directed harassment'