The only argument or action I ever see the proveldtariat take is bumping non-afk non-bot miners who refuse to join the proveldtariat. It's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that, because it's such a simple and obviously wrong thing for you guys to do. When a group bases its existence on 'anti-bumping' but takes no meaningful actions that aren't bumping, then yes, it's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that group--but they aren't needed, as the tired old "you guys are exactly what you claim to be fighting against" argument is sufficient. Why not just rename your group from proveldtariat to probotariat?

Sorry, but since when do we bump miners?

Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.

Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time.

Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?

Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?

Interesting, Anslo sets himself up as an anti new order campaigner and then uses the same tactics against miners who don't support him, hypocrisy at its finest.

Nathalie, if you're an ice miner who doesn't currently possess a permit, please evemail me and I shall personally purchase one on your behalf, as appreciation for your good deed in bringing this to light.

OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.

n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned
n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois
n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers

I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously.

Yep
At first I'd intercept other stabbers and ships by kind of angling in front of them.
IF that didn't work, I'd get in front of the miner in the direction they were bumped, and push them back to their asteroid to make sure their cycles kept on working.
So if you want to be literal, yes I've been in a stabber for a bit. But it's more to undo the damage you do.

EDIT: Say what you want Nathalie, I frankly don't care. It's a war.

yes it is. But I don't know which side you're on. I've seen you bump at least 3 miners personally, not because they were bumpers, but because they "supported the new order" and wouldn't join the procommunistariat instead.

All's fair in love and war Nathalie! If a miner is neutral, I leave them alone, and just help them adapt. Last night, for instance, a group was being bumped by your lot, but there's was about 8 of em in corp. I helped them figure out how to angle their ships and prevent themselves from being bumped away, but bumped against the roids!

This way, they either stayed put while being bumped, or the bumper ship bounced away in about 4 different directions. v

But as for those who pay, sorry but that's the enemy. You can villainize me if you want, but oh well If the miners of resisting systems tell me it's ok and encourage us to do so, I don't really care what you or anyone else think

"I don't really care what you or anyone else think" - Anslo

"Communism best-munism" - Anslo

"Just because I'm in a stabber, and you're in a retriever, that doesn't mean you're the real miner here" - Anslo

Nothing I can possibly say is as damaging to you as your own words.

If I was ashamed or considered it damaging to anyone who matters (i.e. miners, pve'ers and casual gamers), I wouldn't keep quoting your quotes of..my quotes. I mean hell, the second quote? That's scathing and damaging?

But continue ahead, it won't stop the resistance

That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.

Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible.

Will people not be comfortable? Sure
Will people be upset? Of course
Will people keep resisting? You bet

I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs.

So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more.

So ... what do you do ? I'd like to know.
I don't pick a side, as long as no side whines about the other.

And ... although only slightly interesting, but still genuine ... why are you helping those who won't defend themselves ?

It's emergent gameplay...

Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible.

Will people not be comfortable? Sure
Will people be upset? Of course
Will people keep resisting? You bet

I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs.

So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more.

? I'm not villainizing you, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong when you say "In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible. " They're not even at the computer. You pretending that everyone is flaming you, when they're just pointing out that you're saying untrue things, is patently obvious misdirection.

If you feel that me simply quoting you was villainizing you, then that says all that needs to be said, doesn't it.

it's a freebe, say thank you.

That's what the guy said to your mother when he made you, right ?

Except what you're saying is not true either. How could they simply not be at their keyboards if they're encouraging me? Giving the group intel? Helping other miners? Developing their own plans. Simply because the action is not advertised in a grandiose manner does not mean it isn't happening.

If anyone is wrong here, it'd be you for your presumptions.

Except what you're saying is not true either. How could they simply not be at their keyboards if they're encouraging me? Giving the group intel? Helping other miners? Developing their own plans. Simply because the action is not advertised in a grandiose manner does not mean it isn't happening.

If anyone is wrong here, it'd be you for your presumptions.

Good one!

Let me ask you: How far back to 6th grade did you have to go for that one? 5 years? 10 years?



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spreading false rumors on the web to get him blacklisted by half of the game community and otherwise making his gaming time on EVE a nightmare?