Hisec players top 3 10/2012

1. Chribba
2. James 315
3. Solstice Project

Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?

I've never heard of you before Roime

Dear narrow minded morons,
In a sandbox I can do whatever the **** I want to you as long as I'm not exploiting bugs or hacking. THAT is just one of the reasons it's a sandbox.

solution to bumping inbalances

realistic collision modeling

halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!

Small ship (mwd destroyer) hits big ship (hulk). Small ship explodes/dies. It makes too much sense

I'd be A-okay with someone working this to build a super speed mach and ramming ships with it. They would need to accept they'd get blasted into half armor each time though and that may not be enough to kill say, a well tanked exhumer of the largest size (hulk)

Rubber ships has to go. Also base collision damages according to ship class/size not specifics like mass/weight and whatnot while that could be fun it could be too complicated. I think just basic size vs size collision modeling is the way to go

So if CCP declares bumping ice miners to be an exploit tomorrow morning, you'd be fine with that?

edit:

This is really a two part question. The first part is that people will often say "if it's in teh rules, it's fine, because it's a sandbox. But then in some other occasion, they'll say "oh, the rules need to be changed, this is bad for the game". This makes their earlier argument seem hypocritical, as they switch back and forth between these two contradictory positions depending on whether the current official interpretation of the rules supports their position or not. I'm not specifically accusing you of that, but it's pretty common in this issue and you're kinda implying it by seeming to accept the latter type of arguments made elsewhere in this thread.


The second point is that since James started the moralistic discussion overlaid on the "allowed or not" sandbox basics, and then these people are responding to him in kind, it's somewhat backwards for you to take issue with these respondents for arguing moralistically rather than on the basis of legality. Since he initiated moving the debate to that ground, it would be much more appropriate for you all to direct those kinds of criticism to him. Not that there's much hope of reaching any progress on this debate, as certain parties obviously have secondary motives and will never listen, but when arguments are made to the incorrect parties like this it just makes the threads even longer and more circular.

James 315 is a player who took a mundane mechanic, a bunch of AFK miners, and the fact Eve encourages innovative and emergent gameplay, and built himself a new extortionist playstyle and a following*. He has wrapped it in a semi-RP "savior of hisec" mantra, which many people can't see for what it is (just enjoying the damn game) and instead label him as megalomaniacal, insane, or other things. If you want to see anger, mention him on the forums.

*If you believe naysayers, the "following" is just James' infinite alts. OP and I happen to be a couple examples. I think The Mittani is also one.

they already did that, it didn't work out

Also Jita undock

they already did that, it didn't work out

Also Jita undock

Seriously, the **** is wrong with some of you? If bumping wasn't allowed, CCP would have done something when you guys reported it, but instead they said "WE LIKE IT!!!!"

Stop ignoring what you're being told, accept it, and start orbiting the ******* asteroids instead of being complete morons about it.

PS: It's not bad for the game, because it's a sandbox. Get over it.

I predict 2-3 years down the road when CCP implements a collision damage model, hordes of New Order faithful will flock to the forums and whine that their important emergent method of gameplay has been unfairly nerfed.


Actually I just thought bumping this thread seemed entirely appropriate.

blah blah James Alt babble blah blah *snip*

James... err I mean 'Galaxy Pig' you forgot to ask CCP to legitimize James' perverted need to control miner's urination habits?

Bad alt BAD! Keep your eye on the prize!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2fwHjLvvk4

new highsec theme song

The funny part is how many idiots pay him so he stops bulling them, this is just hilarious, really really hilarious.

You have access to his wallet do ya? Another James alt?

Actually what is even funnier is an idiot who would believe the claims of a character known mainly for making outlandish foolish claims lol?

Hisec players top 3 10/2012

1. Chribba
2. James 315
3. Solstice Project

Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?

solution to bumping inbalances

realistic collision modeling

halo does it

How is this emergent gameplay?

John Galls Systemantics laws:
1. Everything is a system

2. No system exists in isolation. It is always part of a larger meta system
and contains an infinite number of subsystems.

3. All systems are infinitely complex.
The illusion of simplicity is achieved only by ignoring most of the factors.

Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed.

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...

I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years.

Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different",
especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new".

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...


(edit: btw, i added something to the last post. just like i do now. ^_^)

I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years.

Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different",
especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new".

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...


(edit: btw, i added something to the last post. just like i do now. ^_^)