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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:19:00 -
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My beloved Devs, allow me to clarify one thing right of the bat. I am NOT asking for CCP to acknowledge James 315's sovereign claim to highsec systems, or his titles of Father of the New Order, Supreme Protector of Halaima, or Savior of Highsec. I (unlike many carebears) am not asking for any special treatment whatsoever for James or his followers.-á
I'm asking for a clarification of of CCP's position concerning The New Order's activities in Highsec, particularly bumping, not for my sake, but for the miners.
You see, despite countless rejected petitions, and the tireless efforts of our great GMs to explain to each disgruntled miner that what they've experienced is emergent gameplay that in no way violates the EULA, many miners are still laboring under the delusion that our permaban is just around the corner. Worse yet, the problem is exacerbated by the cookie-cutter replies some GMs issue to distraught carebears of "We're looking into it." More experienced players know that this is a complete "****-off" dismissa designed to shut you up for a whilel. They're not looking into it, they have IMPORTANT things to look into. None the less, it does a great disservice to the miners, sustaining their hope that James and us agents are one bump away from the ban-hammer. The sooner they realize that CCP is not coming to save them, the sooner they can accept our presence and move on, adapt, or who knows, maybe even embrace The New Order. So please bare in mind that I ask this not for myself or James, or The New Order, but for the poor miners who stagnate in their perpetual wait for Superman.
What we need is an authoritative, citable, linkable statement from a Dev, simply stating that Superman isn't coming. The New Halaima Code of Conduct, as well as the act of bumping to enforce it, are compliant with the Terms of Service.
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
The carebears must now adapt, and they're understandably upset, they're not used to being asked to do that. By issuing such a statement, CCP would make the transition that much easier for them. The truth will set them free.
In fact, I'd like to take it one step further than merely acknowledging the legality of The New Order.
Who among you Devs, GMs, and ISDs will dare come out of the closet as fans of The New Order? Supporters??Members?!?! :D
I eagerly await your responses, peppered with the rage of many a bear.-á
Thank you so much for your time, Immortally yours,
-Galaxy Pig Agent-á New Order of Highsec |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
645
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:24:00 -
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NO NO and again NO james 315 is a master whinner who can't understand that people do play this game different than him
second what are you smoking I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
186
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:28:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:What we need is an authoritative, citable, linkable statement from a Dev....
"OMG PLEASE NOTICE MEEEEEE!!!!"

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Mai Khumm
Omen Industries -Entropy-
296
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:29:00 -
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I was told that I'm not allowed to troll....
I have been reminded of this on several occasions....
It just REALLY annoys me that I see threads like this and I cannot entertain myself....
I think CCP should block half of these forums from the general "public" and lets us run wild on threads like this...
/rant Since EVE will be pay to win very soon. --> 65 Mil SP subcap pilot/45 Mil SP Caldari-Indy Cap pilot looking for Powerbloc Coalition... |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5164
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:32:00 -
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I remember the bumpageddon movies.
/c
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
910
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:34:00 -
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I shall not troll.
Delusions of grandeur, just a touch ?
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Ravnik
Choke-Hold
2177
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:38:00 -
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Could you send me your fit for your bump ship please? Im assuming you must be a highly skilled pilot, and i fear i may not have the correct combat skills to achieve this elite form of pvp. I'm stranded in space, I'm lost without trace,-áI haven't a chance of getting away...... |

Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
92
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:41:00 -
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I spend my days bumping miners because I am a little fat man with no friends in real life and no hope for ever doing anything productive in society. I am also so risk adverse that I have to do it in highsec hiding in an NPC corp.
Did I hit the nail on the head? |

Mehashi 'Kho
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
20
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:43:00 -
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How does it feel To treat me like you do When you've laid laid your hands upon me And told me who you are
I thought I was mistaken I thought I heard your words Tell me how do I feel Tell me now how do I feel
Those who came before me Lived through their vocations From the past until completion They will turn away no more
And I still find it so hard To say what I need to say But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me Just how I should feel today
I see a ship in the harbor I can and shall obey But if it wasn't for your misfortunes I'd be a heavenly person today
And I thought I was mistaken And I thought I heard you speak Tell me how do I feel Tell me now how should I feel
Now I stand here waiting
I thought I told you to leave me While I walked down to the beach Tell me how does it feel When your heart grows cold (grows cold, grows cold, grows cold)
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
191
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:46:00 -
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Schalac wrote:I spend my days bumping miners because I am a little fat man with no friends in real life and no hope for ever doing anything productive in society. I am also so risk adverse that I have to do it in highsec hiding in an NPC corp.
Did I hit the nail on the head?
I don't think so. I think what James is doing has taken quite a lot of hard work and effort. His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden. You may think he's a troll and for the most part, he is, but he's a clever troll and overall, he is trolling for the benefit of all of us. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5216
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:48:00 -
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goddamn every miner bumping thread just generates pages of anger
james 315 owes me some popcorn This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |
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CCP Falcon
C C P
146

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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:48:00 -
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What is this i don't even...
CCP Falcon -á-á||-á-áEVE Community Developer -á-á||-á-á@CCP_Falcon |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
844
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:52:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
Your darling James315 inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently from him, I can safely admit Darwin law is something he has no clue about.
Nor you either. brb |

Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:53:00 -
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The great Chribba! An honor.
Erm, that would be www.MinerBumping.com Mr. Falcon, sir. |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:53:00 -
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If any CCP employee answered this, I'd
1) laugh and 2) whine about the dozens of threats opened in such a manner instead of filing petitions etc.
Hey OP, I'm glad you didn't ask CCP Hellmar to respond. |

Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
28
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:56:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:What is this i don't even...
See?
Now James315 is griefing the Dev's.....
I fully support His Imperial Majesty, and I am currently working out the rules for the first ever Minerball League.
Players would get points for distance, of course, duration (how long it takes the miner to realize he has been bumped), style, and accuracy (Mack off the Retriever into the ice roid).
Currently nanofit Machs and the now infamous 100mn Stabber Fleet Issue seem to be the bumping ships of choice. |

BoSau Hotim
1149
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:56:00 -
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What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic? I'm not a carebear...-áI'm a SPACEBARBIE! |

Alice Saki
12647
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:10:00 -
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Quick bump that station gaming annoying arse off station :D Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
387
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:12:00 -
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James 315 in full regalia I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
568
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:12:00 -
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sorry for bursting in it was raining outside, what the heck are you guys dribbling on about?
I will pretend to care till the rain stops. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
845
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:18:00 -
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BoSau Hotim wrote:What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic?
Harass players because they don't play like you want, seems to me it's something against the rules. The form you choose to harass someone is your own interpretation of what you can or not do, and only CCP can say if at some point this bumping stupidity followed often by requests of isk is a valid game play or bulling/harassing other players.
Seems someone shot his own foot, once again, and haven't realised yet there will be consequences at some point. Bumper tears incoming??? -juicy Moar threads "high sec safer yadda ya"? -great, this is awesome and entertaining.
brb |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1855
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:19:00 -
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lol all the haters...
But of course, somebody who is actually creating content and distances himself from all the lemmings, who all do more or less the same **** like everybody else...
... of course they hate those with visions. Those who do different things. Those who stand out from the crowd.
What else could they do, but whine/rage about it?
The biggest inconvinience is the mirrored image of ones own incapabilities.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Ghazu
220
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:25:00 -
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JAMES 315 MAKING AN ARREST |

psycho freak
Snuff Box
18
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:25:00 -
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to op i got 5 words into your post all i can say is
another fcking whine thread
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1855
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:36:00 -
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BoSau Hotim wrote:What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic? I believe the reason for this is that it would save everybody involved tons of time if there was an official word about the legitimacy of his - and his supporters - doings.
This includes james himself, his supporters and all those GMs who have to react to the victims petitions. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1000
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Posted - 2012.10.19 11:40:00 -
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And I thought I was dancing on the brink of insanity... I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians
794
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:19:00 -
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Ravnik
Choke-Hold
2209
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:21:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:And I thought I was dancing on the brink of insanity...
Uh oh....Not this insanity thing again!
I'm stranded in space, I'm lost without trace,-áI haven't a chance of getting away...... |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
123
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:24:00 -
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If James won't post in here soon enough next wave of rumors about his ban will spread like a wildfire. Again.
Good laugh thou OP, congratz on level of your brain meltdown. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Robert De'Arneth
142
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:31:00 -
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I like how James post on an alt and makes it seem like it is someone other then him. He really is full of himself, the only good thing you can say about James, he has scammed people out of billions and they love him. I do respect that, but there is not anything else about James that deserves any respect. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
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Arec Bardwin
775
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:32:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:My beloved Devs, allow me to clarify one thing right of the bat. I am NOT asking for CCP to acknowledge James 315's sovereign claim to highsec systems, or his titles of Father of the New Order, Supreme Protector of Halaima, or Savior of Highsec. I (unlike many carebears) am not asking for any special treatment whatsoever for James or his followers.-á How about Village Idiot of Halaima?
This is really getting stale now.
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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:53:00 -
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*Flattered to be mistaken for the great orator James 315*
Ah yes, we're all James, and he's Mittens, so we're all Mittens...
As my first act as rightful chair of the CSM, I hereby demand more J+ñger-bombs. |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
55

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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:53:00 -
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Removed some posts for inappropriate language. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Muffini
2
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:56:00 -
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I find this sort of hero worship beyond unsettling, almost nauseating.
l2dignity |

Robert De'Arneth
142
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Posted - 2012.10.19 12:56:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:*Flattered to be mistaken for the great orator James 315*
Ah yes, we're all James, and he's Mittens, so we're all Mittens...
As my first act as rightful chair of the CSM, I hereby demand more J+ñger-bombs.
No, you as far as I know are the only James alt. *at least the only one who post* And of that, there is no doubt. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
47
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:01:00 -
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Everyone has their role to play. Not everyone can be a King, some have to be the Jester. |

Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:03:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:*Flattered to be mistaken for the great orator James 315*
Ah yes, we're all James, and he's Mittens, so we're all Mittens...
As my first act as rightful chair of the CSM, I hereby demand more J+ñger-bombs. No, you as far as I know are the only James alt. *at least the only one who post* And of that, there is no doubt.
So I don't get to be Mittens? 
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Muffini
2
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:04:00 -
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Of Psychopaths and Sycophants |

Robert De'Arneth
142
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:15:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:*Flattered to be mistaken for the great orator James 315*
Ah yes, we're all James, and he's Mittens, so we're all Mittens...
As my first act as rightful chair of the CSM, I hereby demand more J+ñger-bombs. No, you as far as I know are the only James alt. *at least the only one who post* And of that, there is no doubt. So I don't get to be Mittens? 
The Beauty of the RPG in the MMORPG, is you can be anyone you want. You can even make some post from an alt in sad attempt to bring more attention to your main. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
437
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:30:00 -
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Bumping people?
Seriously?
What kind of carebear coward version of ganking is this?
Also, am I supposed to know who James is? |
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Kesthely
Fleet of the Damned Happy Endings
22
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Posted - 2012.10.19 13:32:00 -
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So he wines if he gets bumped? Anyone else intrested to see how much tears we can get if he gets ganked? continuesly? |

killorbekilled TBE
Quantum Link Company Tribal Band
118
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:20:00 -
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time to start a 'because of bumping thread' ? or too soon......
TrollorbeTrolled |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
931
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:22:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Everyone has their role to play. Not everyone can be a King, some have to be the Jester.
+1
Priceless. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5216
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:26:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
Your darling James315 inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently from him, I can safely admit Darwin law is something he has no clue about. Nor you either.
in a sandbox he can also choose to punt your mackinaw out of range
ergo, he chooses to punt your mackinaw out of range This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Muffini
3
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
Your darling James315 inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently from him, I can safely admit Darwin law is something he has no clue about. Nor you either. in a sandbox he can also choose to punt your mackinaw out of range ergo, he chooses to punt your mackinaw out of range
How's that going btw? Is your attempt to relaunch ice interdiction because you missed it last November succeeding?
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Rollin Forties
School of Applied Street Knowledge
3
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:48:00 -
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I don't know much about the new order and whatnot but I've found that bumping miners can be really, really fun. +1 |

Frau Richter
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:55:00 -
[47] - Quote
Since several devs have commented in the thread and said nothing related to the topic, we'll make this simple.
If you're a carebear and you don't like bumping, form up the largest group you can get together in plated, MWD battleships and report to Uedama and Niarja. Put up a can (or cans, the message is long) on each gate that says "there is now a 25million ISK toll for passing through this system. Failure to pay will result in perma bumping."
Bump everything that passes through that system until there is a complete meltdown of freight traffic in EVE. THEN see what CCP has to say. Bonus points if you do this on the Jita undock as well.
If it's legal, it's legal. Right? All you have to do is say the magic words that make it "profit-related" and then make CCP eat their words. The only way this situation is going to get handled is to break the system completely. It's that simple. They won't do anything until the absurdity and stupidity of it can no longer be denied. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
946
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:56:00 -
[48] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:My The carebears must now adapt, and they're understandably upset, they're not used to being asked to do that.
tl;dr (yawns loudly)
BUT this did stick out, and is the hugest piece of false nonsense typed on this forum today I guarantee it. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
946
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:59:00 -
[49] - Quote
(forum screwed up and posted twice) |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1344
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:01:00 -
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I predict 2-3 years down the road when CCP implements a collision damage model, hordes of New Order faithful will flock to the forums and whine that their important emergent method of gameplay has been unfairly nerfed.
Actually I just thought bumping this thread seemed entirely appropriate.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
313
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:15:00 -
[51] - Quote
I'm just wondering, but wouldn't like not sitting still be the solution?
Can he still bump you if you're orbiting the roid?
I just read through a bunch of replies that were "CCP needs to stop this!". Just like ganking. You guys couldn't be bothered to tank your barges and insisted on crying about getting ganked; now it's bumping and instead of making it so you can't be bumped you're crying that it shouldn't be allowed.
I can only imagine that the CCP devs laugh a lot. EIther I'm entirely to optimistic or people really are as stupid as they would appear to be when you read the GD forums. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
390
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
bumping a moronic thread about bumping in hopes ISD 40 will close the thread for necroing  Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers:Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |

Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
40
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:19:00 -
[53] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:I predict 2-3 years down the road when CCP implements a collision damage model, hordes of New Order faithful will flock to the forums and whine that their important emergent method of gameplay has been unfairly nerfed.
Actually I just thought bumping this thread seemed entirely appropriate.
Collision damage was already tried and removed from the game.
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
105
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:23:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Dolan wrote:Removed some posts for inappropriate language.
Dude your face. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again" |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5217
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:26:00 -
[55] - Quote
Muffini wrote:How's that going btw? Is your attempt to relaunch ice interdiction because you missed it last November succeeding?
How'd we miss it last November? Pretty sure that oxytope prices shot up past 1500 and made quite a few of us a fair amount of ISK. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:28:00 -
[56] - Quote
That's not going to work. If you want to defeat James, you have to take away his power. How do you take away his power? By taking away his miners.
The only way to beat James is to suicide gank the miners in his empire until they leave. Alternatively, you can join their corp and kill them without losing your ship.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:30:00 -
[57] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Can he still bump you if you're orbiting the roid? Yes, he is a professional bumper, after all.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
819
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
Frau Richter wrote:Since several devs have commented in the thread and said nothing related to the topic, we'll make this simple.
If you're a carebear and you don't like bumping, form up the largest group you can get together in plated, MWD battleships and report to Uedama and Niarja. Put up a can (or cans, the message is long) on each gate that says "there is now a 25million ISK toll for passing through this system. Failure to pay will result in perma bumping."
Bump everything that passes through that system until there is a complete meltdown of freight traffic in EVE. THEN see what CCP has to say. Bonus points if you do this on the Jita undock as well.
If it's legal, it's legal. Right? All you have to do is say the magic words that make it "profit-related" and then make CCP eat their words. The only way this situation is going to get handled is to break the system completely. It's that simple. They won't do anything until the absurdity and stupidity of it can no longer be denied. Actually, this is an awesome idea. I see nothing wrong with it, and I doubt CCP will either. Economic warfare at its finest. Nothing Found |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1346
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:33:00 -
[59] - Quote
Silk daShocka wrote:War Kitten wrote:I predict 2-3 years down the road when CCP implements a collision damage model, hordes of New Order faithful will flock to the forums and whine that their important emergent method of gameplay has been unfairly nerfed.
Actually I just thought bumping this thread seemed entirely appropriate. Collision damage was already tried and removed from the game.
That was really just a dig at ninja-looters and nullbear hunters who've been getting rather misty-eyed at the upcoming AI improvements.
This was my real reason for posting:
War Kitten wrote:Actually I just thought bumping this thread seemed entirely appropriate.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:39:00 -
[60] - Quote
high sec coward's alt detected.
0/10 |
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
15
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
How about bumping James 315? Btw if you pres warp before bump and next stop ship it got zero efect. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
559
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 15:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
Frau Richter wrote:Since several devs have commented in the thread and said nothing related to the topic, we'll make this simple.
If you're a carebear and you don't like bumping, form up the largest group you can get together in plated, MWD battleships and report to Uedama and Niarja. Put up a can (or cans, the message is long) on each gate that says "there is now a 25million ISK toll for passing through this system. Failure to pay will result in perma bumping."
Bump everything that passes through that system until there is a complete meltdown of freight traffic in EVE. THEN see what CCP has to say. Bonus points if you do this on the Jita undock as well.
If it's legal, it's legal. Right? All you have to do is say the magic words that make it "profit-related" and then make CCP eat their words. The only way this situation is going to get handled is to break the system completely. It's that simple. They won't do anything until the absurdity and stupidity of it can no longer be denied.
CCP doesn't rely on markets being stable. You can literally grind things to a halt and it won't affect CCP one bit. |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
146
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 15:51:00 -
[63] - Quote
You can come out to null-sec and mine ice. We always need miners to gather ice to keep our POSes, jumpbridges, and jump freighters fueled. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1882
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 16:01:00 -
[64] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:*Flattered to be mistaken for the great orator James 315*
Ah yes, we're all James, and he's Mittens, so we're all Mittens...
As my first act as rightful chair of the CSM, I hereby demand more J+ñger-bombs. Just kidding, James 315 and Galaxy Pig are my alts. Hi, everyone!
As you bend your brains around how James the Great is reforming hisec with just strength of will, oratory prowess, a fast ship, and Emergent Gameplay at his side, you should remember... JAMES 315 FOR CSM! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Random Majere
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
19
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 16:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
The real heroes in this game that deserve recognition and fame on these very forums, are the ones that killed my DareDevil last evening. It takes skills to take down a PvPer such as myself!!  |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1882
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 16:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
Frau Richter wrote:Since several devs have commented in the thread and said nothing related to the topic, we'll make this simple.
If you're a carebear and you don't like bumping, form up the largest group you can get together in plated, MWD battleships and report to Uedama and Niarja. Put up a can (or cans, the message is long) on each gate that says "there is now a 25million ISK toll for passing through this system. Failure to pay will result in perma bumping."
Bump everything that passes through that system until there is a complete meltdown of freight traffic in EVE. THEN see what CCP has to say. Bonus points if you do this on the Jita undock as well.
If it's legal, it's legal. Right? All you have to do is say the magic words that make it "profit-related" and then make CCP eat their words. The only way this situation is going to get handled is to break the system completely. It's that simple. They won't do anything until the absurdity and stupidity of it can no longer be denied. Holy crap I have to fix my sec status because this is amazing. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
51
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 16:07:00 -
[67] - Quote
Getting stale. If it's not one thing, it's another. Before long the miners are going to whine they have to undock to get to the belts, and that the belt should float around in the docking area. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
946
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 16:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
Connaght Badasaz wrote:Getting stale. If it's not one thing, it's another. Before long the miners are going to whine they have to undock to get to the belts, and that the belt should float around in the docking area.
I highly doubt this. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1293
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 16:24:00 -
[69] - Quote
This. ...Is what I hear every time I read a thread like this.
|

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
628
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 16:31:00 -
[70] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
Your darling James315 inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently from him, I can safely admit Darwin law is something he has no clue about. Nor you either. I'm no supporter of james, but which part of "sandbox" do you have trouble with, in particular?
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
|

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
847
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 17:48:00 -
[71] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:lol all the haters...
But of course, somebody who is actually creating content and distances himself from all the lemmings, who all do more or less the same **** like everybody else...
... of course they hate those with visions. Those who do different things. Those who stand out from the crowd.
What else could they do, but whine/rage about it?
The biggest inconvinience is the mirrored image of ones own incapabilities.
This sticks perfectly with grieffers.
Your vision is somehow outdated, boring, out of new and interesting arguments and overall seems majority of players just let you talk to your hand.
1 word is enough: fail brb |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
847
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 17:49:00 -
[72] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
Your darling James315 inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently from him, I can safely admit Darwin law is something he has no clue about. Nor you either. I'm no supporter of james, but which part of "sandbox" do you have trouble with, in particular?
The one where there's no barbecues. I love barbecues.
brb |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
847
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 17:52:00 -
[73] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Frau Richter wrote:Since several devs have commented in the thread and said nothing related to the topic, we'll make this simple.
If you're a carebear and you don't like bumping, form up the largest group you can get together in plated, MWD battleships and report to Uedama and Niarja. Put up a can (or cans, the message is long) on each gate that says "there is now a 25million ISK toll for passing through this system. Failure to pay will result in perma bumping."
Bump everything that passes through that system until there is a complete meltdown of freight traffic in EVE. THEN see what CCP has to say. Bonus points if you do this on the Jita undock as well.
If it's legal, it's legal. Right? All you have to do is say the magic words that make it "profit-related" and then make CCP eat their words. The only way this situation is going to get handled is to break the system completely. It's that simple. They won't do anything until the absurdity and stupidity of it can no longer be denied. Holy crap I have to fix my sec status because this is amazing.
Yes do it, please do it and tell all your friends alts and yada ya to do it.
We might as well see at some point real WD's show up  brb |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1972
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 17:57:00 -
[74] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:I predict 2-3 years down the road when CCP implements a collision damage model, hordes of New Order faithful will flock to the forums and whine that their important emergent method of gameplay has been unfairly nerfed. or just start barricading people in jita 4-4 with freighters
w/e |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
390
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 18:07:00 -
[75] - Quote
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:You can come out to null-sec and mine ice. We always need miners to gather ice to keep our POSes, jumpbridges, and jump freighters fueled.
Sounds legit.... anyhoo: BUMPING A MORONIC BUMPING THREAD IN HOPES OF AN ISD LOCKING THE THREAD Go to the timber yard and buy some logs. They will also show nothing. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
628
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 18:19:00 -
[76] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently I'm no supporter of james, but which part of "sandbox" do you have trouble with, in particular? The one where there's no barbecues. I love barbecues. So you're just going to admit right up front that "sandbox" doesn't mean "anyone can do what they want - as long as they don't mess with me"?
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1884
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 18:29:00 -
[77] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently I'm no supporter of james, but which part of "sandbox" do you have trouble with, in particular? The one where there's no barbecues. I love barbecues. So you're just going to admit right up front that "sandbox" doesn't mean "anyone can do what they want - as long as they don't mess with me"? No use trying to talk to Ignorance. It's Strength, you know ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Isbariya
The Dancer. Initiative Mercenaries
17
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 19:33:00 -
[78] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Bumping people?
Seriously?
What kind of carebear coward version of ganking is this?
Also, am I supposed to know who James is?
Yes it's definitely sad to see people go down the drain like that. Even sadder that some fall for scum like him and actually pay him. Maybe I'll just bring a alt down there to see how long they actually focus on bumping me from the roids.
.... So pathetic ..... |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1886
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 19:42:00 -
[79] - Quote
Isbariya wrote:Arduemont wrote:Bumping people?
Seriously?
What kind of carebear coward version of ganking is this?
Also, am I supposed to know who James is? Yes it's definitely sad to see people go down the drain like that. Even sadder that some fall for scum like him and actually pay him. Maybe I'll just bring a alt down there to see how long they actually focus on bumping me from the roids. .... So pathetic ..... What the **** is your issue exactly ?
Are you mad because he plays the way he wants to, which includes making other peoples ingame-life miserable ?
You do know it's a game, right ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Robert De'Arneth
145
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 19:47:00 -
[80] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Isbariya wrote:Arduemont wrote:Bumping people?
Seriously?
What kind of carebear coward version of ganking is this?
Also, am I supposed to know who James is? Yes it's definitely sad to see people go down the drain like that. Even sadder that some fall for scum like him and actually pay him. Maybe I'll just bring a alt down there to see how long they actually focus on bumping me from the roids. .... So pathetic ..... What the **** is your issue exactly ? Are you mad because he plays the way he wants to, which includes making other peoples ingame-life miserable ? You do know it's a game, right ?
So you are saying people do not have right to call him patehtic? You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
|

Medude
Unstable Reaction Inc. Takahashi Alliance
3
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 19:55:00 -
[81] - Quote
Waits for the crimewatch changes in the next release when idiots like self proclaimed "king of bumping" gets bounties are us placed on him.
Can see it now..........a wild bumper appears in ice belt and is greeted by a mahoosive swarm of drones :))))) |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1651
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:04:00 -
[82] - Quote
Isbariya wrote: Yes it's definitely sad to see people go down the drain like that. Even sadder that some fall for scum like him and actually pay him. Maybe I'll just bring a alt down there to see how long they actually focus on bumping me from the roids.
.... So pathetic .....
They'll bump you until you get bored and log off or pay the man. In the gathering he organised the other week his supporters and agents managed to completely shut down an ice belt apart from the one miner who payed up, they also managed to annoy the hell out of miners in another 2 systems.
James315 is running the internet spaceships equivalent of an extortion racket, he's not going to get banned for it anytime soon because it's using legitimate game mechanics to achieve a goal and it's basically the high sec equivalent of holding something to ransom. It's emergent gameplay and creates player driven content/conflict.
I know for a fact that some of his shareholders are miners, either individuals like myself or entire corporations who are sick of seeing afk miners just plugging away all day while they watch movies, do the laundry or any other afk activity. Miners don't have to be afk even if it is mind numbingly boring, two monitors is a wonderful thing as is running Eve in fixed window mode so you can have something like VLC or a browser that supports flash running over the top of Eve and still see the UI.
Medude wrote:Waits for the crimewatch changes in the next release when idiots like self proclaimed "king of bumping" gets bounties are us placed on him.
Can see it now..........a wild bumper appears in ice belt and is greeted by a mahoosive swarm of drones :)))))
Much more hilarious when people place bounties on the ice miners and the entire belt gets swamped by people in cruisers without Concord intervention. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
108
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:13:00 -
[83] - Quote
Except its missing his unearned sense of accomplishment. |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
197
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
Shizuken wrote:Except its missing his unearned sense of accomplishment.
Maybe you should look that up.
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Robert De'Arneth
145
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:18:00 -
[85] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Isbariya wrote: Yes it's definitely sad to see people go down the drain like that. Even sadder that some fall for scum like him and actually pay him. Maybe I'll just bring a alt down there to see how long they actually focus on bumping me from the roids.
.... So pathetic .....
They'll bump you until you get bored and log off or pay the man. In the gathering he organised the other week his supporters and agents managed to completely shut down an ice belt apart from the one miner who payed up, they also managed to annoy the hell out of miners in another 2 systems. James315 is running the internet spaceships equivalent of an extortion racket, he's not going to get banned for it anytime soon because it's using legitimate game mechanics to achieve a goal and it's basically the high sec equivalent of holding something to ransom. It's emergent gameplay and creates player driven content/conflict. I know for a fact that some of his shareholders are miners, either individuals like myself or entire corporations who are sick of seeing afk miners just plugging away all day while they watch movies, do the laundry or any other afk activity. Miners don't have to be afk even if it is mind numbingly boring, two monitors is a wonderful thing as is running Eve in fixed window mode so you can have something like VLC or a browser that supports flash running over the top of Eve and still see the UI. Medude wrote:Waits for the crimewatch changes in the next release when idiots like self proclaimed "king of bumping" gets bounties are us placed on him.
Can see it now..........a wild bumper appears in ice belt and is greeted by a mahoosive swarm of drones :))))) Much more hilarious when people place bounties on the ice miners and the entire belt gets swamped by people in cruisers without Concord intervention. 
It will be funny, because those people will get hit by concord, I hope more people missread it like you do.
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Sheynan
Lighting the blight
82
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:22:00 -
[86] - Quote
The thing is... no one will bother about a bounty on a t1 stabber that is used for bumping (Only a fraction of it is going to be paid out).
A bounty on a T2 ship, like...let's see...a Mackinaw or Hulk with "relatively" small tank however is going to be MUCH more lucrative  |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
146
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:29:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Much more hilarious when people place bounties on the ice miners and the entire belt gets swamped by people in cruisers without Concord intervention.  If those people in cruisers don't have kill rights on the miners and attack them, they'll be Concordokken - bounty or no bounty on the ice miners.
Putting a bounty on someone after the revamp doesn't disable Concord response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1651
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:30:00 -
[88] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
It will be funny, because those people will get hit by concord, I hope more people missread it like you do.
Unless I've read it completely wrong, activating a bounty on someone and then exploding them will not incur concords wrath. If I have read it completely wrong please link me to a concise and clear explanation of the new bounty system and how it integrates with crimewatch 2.0. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Robert De'Arneth
145
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:30:00 -
[89] - Quote
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Much more hilarious when people place bounties on the ice miners and the entire belt gets swamped by people in cruisers without Concord intervention.  If those people in cruisers don't have kill rights on the miners and attack them, they'll be Concordokken - bounty or no bounty on the ice miners. Putting a bounty on someone after the revamp doesn't disable Concord response.
Shhh let these idoits think that, it will offer up a lot of targets in High Sec. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Kaz Ironhand
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:42:00 -
[90] - Quote
Who is James 351? |
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
48
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:46:00 -
[91] - Quote
Andski wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
Your darling James315 inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently from him, I can safely admit Darwin law is something he has no clue about. Nor you either. in a sandbox he can also choose to punt your mackinaw out of range ergo, he chooses to punt your mackinaw out of range
It's not the punting that bothers me so much as the...what's the word beyond 'arrogance'?....ah, delusional.
I would very much appreciate it if delusional people did not spread this delusion far and wide.
|

Professor Elos
Operation Neo-Tokyo Hashashin Cartel
202
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:48:00 -
[92] - Quote
I don't see anything wrong with what James is doing, but him and his fanboys still come off as major douche bags.
I think James would get a lot more support for his new world order if he changes his title from Supreme Protector of Hich-Sec to Supreme Ass Hat of a small portion of New Eden or to that guy that bumps ships and role plays as an important person.
The Professor |

Robert De'Arneth
145
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:49:00 -
[93] - Quote
Kaz Ironhand wrote:Who is James 351?
James315 is multi alt poster who makes threads like this to bring attention to himself, he is a good scammer for sure, last count I think he has take people for like 13 billion. and people like Jonah above love him. He thinks his mision in life is to save eve online. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1651
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:50:00 -
[94] - Quote
Handy to know about the crimewatch/bounty integration. TY for clearing it up, but it plays the other way to, if someone places a bounty on James315's head and miners let loose with drones, they'll get concorded. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Robert De'Arneth
145
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 20:52:00 -
[95] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Handy to know about the crimewatch/bounty integration. TY for clearing it up, but it plays the other way to, if someone places a bounty on James315's head and miners let loose with drones, they'll get concorded.
no doubt sir, and to be clear, i could care less who gets bumped, my corp mates bump me all the time. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
160
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 21:35:00 -
[96] - Quote
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:How does it feel To treat me like you do When you've laid laid your hands upon me And told me who you are
I thought I was mistaken I thought I heard your words Tell me how do I feel Tell me now how do I feel
Those who came before me Lived through their vocations From the past until completion They will turn away no more
And I still find it so hard To say what I need to say But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me Just how I should feel today
I see a ship in the harbor I can and shall obey But if it wasn't for your misfortunes I'd be a heavenly person today
And I thought I was mistaken And I thought I heard you speak Tell me how do I feel Tell me now how should I feel
Now I stand here waiting
I thought I told you to leave me While I walked down to the beach Tell me how does it feel When your heart grows cold (grows cold, grows cold, grows cold)
Ah now that brings back memories "Blue Monday" by New Order.
I saw them live, utter crap doing a live show. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1651
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:06:00 -
[97] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:Kaz Ironhand wrote:Who is James 351? James315 is multi alt poster who makes threads like this to bring attention to himself, he is a good scammer for sure, last count I think he has take people for like 13 billion. and people like Jonah above love him. He thinks his mision in life is to save eve online.
How is it a scam?, everybody who gave him money knows that it's never going to come back, pretty much the same as giving to charity, putting money in the collection tray in church or throwing a few coins at a busker. With James and a busker we at least get entertainment value out of it  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1358
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:28:00 -
[98] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:
It will be funny, because those people will get hit by concord, I hope more people missread it like you do.
Unless I've read it completely wrong, activating a bounty on someone and then exploding them will not incur concords wrath. If I have read it completely wrong please link me to a concise and clear explanation of the new bounty system and how it integrates with crimewatch 2.0.
You're confusing killrights being sold with bounties being placed.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1652
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:33:00 -
[99] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:
You're confusing killrights being sold with bounties being placed.
Going to be a common mistake, hilarity will ensue 
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
37
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:38:00 -
[100] - Quote
Who the hell is James 514? Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1604
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:40:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:War Kitten wrote: You're confusing killrights being sold with bounties being placed.
Going to be a common mistake, hilarity will ensue  People gonna die trying to kill his Stabber Fleet Issue. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1894
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:41:00 -
[102] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:Kaz Ironhand wrote:Who is James 351? James315 is multi alt poster who makes threads like this to bring attention to himself, he is a good scammer for sure, last count I think he has take people for like 13 billion. and people like Jonah above love him. He thinks his mision in life is to save eve online. James 315 is a player who took a mundane mechanic, a bunch of AFK miners, and the fact Eve encourages innovative and emergent gameplay, and built himself a new extortionist playstyle and a following*. He has wrapped it in a semi-RP "savior of hisec" mantra, which many people can't see for what it is (just enjoying the damn game) and instead label him as megalomaniacal, insane, or other things. If you want to see anger, mention him on the forums.
*If you believe naysayers, the "following" is just James' infinite alts. OP and I happen to be a couple examples. I think The Mittani is also one. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
934
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:43:00 -
[103] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Kaz Ironhand wrote:Who is James 351? James315 is multi alt poster who makes threads like this to bring attention to himself, he is a good scammer for sure, last count I think he has take people for like 13 billion. and people like Jonah above love him. He thinks his mision in life is to save eve online. How is it a scam?, everybody who gave him money knows that it's never going to come back, pretty much the same as giving to charity, putting money in the collection tray in church or throwing a few coins at a busker. With James and a busker we at least get entertainment value out of it  Best 200M I was ever scammed out of then. Would be scammed again. Why did you take my wings away? |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
934
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:44:00 -
[104] - Quote
Also, I, too, am a James315 alt. As are my alts. Why did you take my wings away? |

Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
48
|
Posted - 2012.10.19 22:46:00 -
[105] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Kaz Ironhand wrote:Who is James 351? James315 is multi alt poster who makes threads like this to bring attention to himself, he is a good scammer for sure, last count I think he has take people for like 13 billion. and people like Jonah above love him. He thinks his mision in life is to save eve online. James 315 is a player who took a mundane mechanic, a bunch of AFK miners, and the fact Eve encourages innovative and emergent gameplay, and built himself a new extortionist playstyle and a following*. He has wrapped it in a semi-RP "savior of hisec" mantra, which many people can't see for what it is (just enjoying the damn game) and instead label him as megalomaniacal, insane, or other things. If you want to see anger, mention him on the forums. *If you believe naysayers, the "following" is just James' infinite alts. OP and I happen to be a couple examples. I think The Mittani is also one. Perhaps when I call him delusional I am playing that same game. For the record, it's kinda' fun watching crazy people try to justify everything. Post on, I say! |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1894
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:51:00 -
[106] - Quote
Smohq Anmirorz wrote: Perhaps when I call him delusional I am playing that same game. For the record, it's kinda' fun watching crazy people try to justify everything. Post on, I say! You might be, but lots of others aren't -- especially when they start trying things like petitioning James to be banned. You should read the miner bumping blog sometime. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2012.10.20 00:33:00 -
[107] - Quote
I am fortunate enough to have witnessed James 315's operations first hand as I live close to one of his claimed systems.
I was impressed at how professional the whole thing went down. He was in a fleet issue Stabber I think, and moving around at incredible speeds. The miners who were operating without a license were most upset at being caught mining illegally. |

Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations Damned Nation
29
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
confirming bumping miners is hilarious killmail pew pew 24/7 |

Burrobot
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:31:00 -
[109] - Quote
Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:confirming bumping miners is hilarious killmail
How did he get Concorded? |

Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations Damned Nation
29
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:33:00 -
[110] - Quote
Burrobot wrote:Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:confirming bumping miners is hilarious killmail How did he get Concorded?
sending his drones to attack that pesky stabber bumping him out of mining range  pew pew 24/7 |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1605
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 03:05:00 -
[111] - Quote
Pix Severus wrote:I am fortunate enough to have witnessed James 315's operations first hand as I live close to one of his claimed systems.
I was impressed at how professional the whole thing went down. He was in a fleet issue Stabber I think, and moving around at incredible speeds. The miners who were operating without a license were most upset at being caught mining illegally. Tell me more about his speeds 
Yeah, he gives the fit for his stabber fleet issue. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
4
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 04:01:00 -
[112] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:What is this i don't even...
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Alara IonStorm
3312
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:36:00 -
[113] - Quote
Reading his Blog reminds me a lot of when I read Lord of the Flies. It goes plain beyond ridiculous on both sides.
I love it. |

Theangryhobo
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
108
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 05:42:00 -
[114] - Quote
Posting here, to say that miners are dumbfor still thinking that James will get banned. I also realize I will never see the 1,449,000,000 I invested in this venture again. I don't care. The entertainment value is more than worth it.
Also, me and my alts are James 315's alts. www.minerbumping.com |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1653
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 06:10:00 -
[115] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Reading his Blog reminds me a lot of when I read Lord of the Flies. It goes plain beyond ridiculous on both sides.
I love it.
Damn good book, a forgotten classic that I had to read for English Lit at school. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
186
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Posted - 2012.10.20 07:16:00 -
[116] - Quote
Came looking for a CCP responce.
Left disappointed.  |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1355
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 08:59:00 -
[117] - Quote
Hisec players top 3 10/2012
1. Chribba 2. James 315 3. Solstice Project
Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Ortonlo Kelpo
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 10:24:00 -
[118] - Quote
Hail the Saviour of High Sec!
And boy to miners get mad when you bump them out of range.....lol www.minerbumping.com
New Order Agent - Osmon |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
850
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 11:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
Sheynan wrote:The thing is... no one will bother about a bounty on a t1 stabber that is used for bumping (Only a fraction of it is going to be paid out). A bounty on a T2 ship, like...let's see...a Mackinaw or Hulk with "relatively" small tank however is going to be MUCH more lucrative 
90K EHP skiffs every day ;D brb |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
320
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 16:47:00 -
[120] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
Your darling James315 inability to understand some basic stuff, like for instance, in a SANDBOX game people can choose to play differently from him, I can safely admit Darwin law is something he has no clue about. Nor you either. I'm no supporter of james, but which part of "sandbox" do you have trouble with, in particular? It's pretty obvious, the part where they don't get to decide how another player interacts with them.
Seriously though, that's got to be the absolute dumbest excuse for not letting people play the way they want.
Dear narrow minded morons, In a sandbox I can do whatever the **** I want to you as long as I'm not exploiting bugs or hacking. THAT is just one of the reasons it's a sandbox.
You do not get to choose "how you want to play" without other people interfering.
Or maybe Lin doesn't understand that because she can "play differently" than James, that that is what allows him to generate emergent gameplay.
What I see is a bunch of people playing a sandbox mmo with this just incredibly stupid idea that its an online co-op game where they should be able to play without other people getting involved without their concent.
Some people don't appear to understand what they're playing.
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Burrobot
0
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:04:00 -
[121] - Quote
Roime wrote:Hisec players top 3 10/2012
1. Chribba 2. James 315 3. Solstice Project
Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?
I've never heard of you before Roime |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1900
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 17:07:00 -
[122] - Quote
Burrobot wrote:Roime wrote:Hisec players top 3 10/2012
1. Chribba 2. James 315 3. Solstice Project
Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?
I've never heard of you before Roime Ah, sorry, I forgot to switch characters back to this one from my alt. Sorry for the unintentional irony there.
So, who are you, Roime? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
8
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:08:00 -
[123] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote: Dear narrow minded morons, In a sandbox I can do whatever the **** I want to you as long as I'm not exploiting bugs or hacking. THAT is just one of the reasons it's a sandbox.
So if CCP declares bumping ice miners to be an exploit tomorrow morning, you'd be fine with that?
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Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
56
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 18:27:00 -
[124] - Quote
solution to bumping inbalances
realistic collision modeling
halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!
Small ship (mwd destroyer) hits big ship (hulk). Small ship explodes/dies. It makes too much sense
I'd be A-okay with someone working this to build a super speed mach and ramming ships with it. They would need to accept they'd get blasted into half armor each time though and that may not be enough to kill say, a well tanked exhumer of the largest size (hulk)
Rubber ships has to go. Also base collision damages according to ship class/size not specifics like mass/weight and whatnot while that could be fun it could be too complicated. I think just basic size vs size collision modeling is the way to go |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2944
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 18:28:00 -
[125] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:solution to bumping inbalances
realistic collision modeling
halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!
Small ship (mwd destroyer) hits big ship (hulk). Small ship explodes/dies. It makes too much sense
I'd be A-okay with someone working this to build a super speed mach and ramming ships with it. They would need to accept they'd get blasted into half armor each time though and that may not be enough to kill say, a well tanked exhumer of the largest size (hulk)
Rubber ships has to go. Also base collision damages according to ship class/size not specifics like mass/weight and whatnot while that could be fun it could be too complicated. I think just basic size vs size collision modeling is the way to go
they already did that, it didn't work out
Also Jita undock  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
103
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 18:35:00 -
[126] - Quote
James315 for Roleplayer of the Year!
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
323
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 18:44:00 -
[127] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: Dear narrow minded morons, In a sandbox I can do whatever the **** I want to you as long as I'm not exploiting bugs or hacking. THAT is just one of the reasons it's a sandbox.
So if CCP declares bumping ice miners to be an exploit tomorrow morning, you'd be fine with that? edit: This is really a two part question. The first part is that people will often say "if it's in teh rules, it's fine, because it's a sandbox. But then in some other occasion, they'll say "oh, the rules need to be changed, this is bad for the game". This makes their earlier argument seem hypocritical, as they switch back and forth between these two contradictory positions depending on whether the current official interpretation of the rules supports their position or not. I'm not specifically accusing you of that, but it's pretty common in this issue and you're kinda implying it by seeming to accept the latter type of arguments made elsewhere in this thread. The second point is that since James started the moralistic discussion overlaid on the "allowed or not" sandbox basics, and then these people are responding to him in kind, it's somewhat backwards for you to take issue with these respondents for arguing moralistically rather than on the basis of legality. Since he initiated moving the debate to that ground, it would be much more appropriate for you all to direct those kinds of criticism to him. Not that there's much hope of reaching any progress on this debate, as certain parties obviously have secondary motives and will never listen, but when arguments are made to the incorrect parties like this it just makes the threads even longer and more circular. No I wouldn't, because it's not a ******* exploit!
WTF? What we have here is a case of:
CCP, black space is wrong.
CCP says no it's not.
You go, but it is and it needs to be fixed.
Seriously, the **** is wrong with some of you? If bumping wasn't allowed, CCP would have done something when you guys reported it, but instead they said "WE LIKE IT!!!!"
Why do some of you not get this? When they tell you that they support emergent gameplay like this, they're telling to **** off; it's allowed.
Stop ignoring what you're being told, accept it, and start orbiting the ******* asteroids instead of being complete morons about it.
PS: It's not bad for the game, because it's a sandbox. Get over it. |

Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
103
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 18:50:00 -
[128] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Kaz Ironhand wrote:Who is James 351? James315 is multi alt poster who makes threads like this to bring attention to himself, he is a good scammer for sure, last count I think he has take people for like 13 billion. and people like Jonah above love him. He thinks his mision in life is to save eve online. James 315 is a player who took a mundane mechanic, a bunch of AFK miners, and the fact Eve encourages innovative and emergent gameplay, and built himself a new extortionist playstyle and a following*. He has wrapped it in a semi-RP "savior of hisec" mantra, which many people can't see for what it is (just enjoying the damn game) and instead label him as megalomaniacal, insane, or other things. If you want to see anger, mention him on the forums. *If you believe naysayers, the "following" is just James' infinite alts. OP and I happen to be a couple examples. I think The Mittani is also one.
How is this emergent gameplay? James315 (though fun for a forum read) is simply being loud about one of the oldest tricks in the book. I must be getting old. Seems everything is emergent gameplay nowdays. "Look, we ganked some freighters," - emergent gameplay, "We'll we bumped some miners and took their stuff," - emergent gameplay, "We held up some ships for ISK," emergent gameplay... All old, all tried and true, all the same old Eve player eat player paradigm. One of my first experiences in Eve was wandering into losec in my star destroying kick ass doom vexor and promptly getting mugged. Set up a corporation and got mugged by some pirates with a fleet who found my POS. Went mining, got bumped and bumped and bumped until I paid or went elsewhere. All old, all tired. The only difference is either the numbers doing it at the same time and the amount of "roleplaying," noise being generated by them on forums.
Some people make nice theatre, the Mittani is one of them. Miniluv is so wonderfully fanboyishly unoriginal it's awesome. Some people just make a lot of noise.
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Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
56
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 18:52:00 -
[129] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Aramatheia wrote:solution to bumping inbalances
realistic collision modeling
halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!
Small ship (mwd destroyer) hits big ship (hulk). Small ship explodes/dies. It makes too much sense
I'd be A-okay with someone working this to build a super speed mach and ramming ships with it. They would need to accept they'd get blasted into half armor each time though and that may not be enough to kill say, a well tanked exhumer of the largest size (hulk)
Rubber ships has to go. Also base collision damages according to ship class/size not specifics like mass/weight and whatnot while that could be fun it could be too complicated. I think just basic size vs size collision modeling is the way to go they already did that, it didn't work out Also Jita undock 
what exactly went wrong with the prior attempts of collision modeling? is it because of the fact that players have limited control of thier ships pathing? ie they can double click, approach or orbit only. And such restrictions made ship contact inevitable increasingly scaled up as fleet size increases? I could accept that as a reason as to why collision modeling may be a bit iffy. I know that adding a collision mesh to an object is far from difficult (it does mean having the visible model object with an invisible collider object inside it) but it can increase system requirements i guess (the more accurate the collision mesh the more polygons flying in space, even if not visible?)
maybe they could add collision models only to flightpaths of the approach/keep at range vectors. Such a rubber ship rammer playstyle could still exist but it would require double clicking in space. Which is harder than just *approach, turn on mwd* so it might become an art form. Would make mtac roles in incursions trickier as well, and civilian dropping |

Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
103
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 18:56:00 -
[130] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:[quote=Aramatheia]solution to bumping inbalances
realistic collision modeling
halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!
Small ship (mwd destroyer) hits big ship (hulk). Small ship explodes/dies. It makes too much sense
I'd be A-okay with someone working this to build a super speed mach and ramming ships with it. They would need to accept they'd get blasted into half armor each time though and that may not be enough to kill say, a well tanked exhumer of the largest size (hulk)
Rubber ships has to go. Also base collision damages according to ship class/size not specifics like mass/weight and whatnot while that could be fun it could be too complicated. I think just basic size vs size collision modeling is the way to go they already did that, it didn't work out Also Jita undock 
The entire collision system is so moronic, stupid, immersion breaking and unjustifiable that you have to assume fixing it means some fundamental change to the code that CCP just can't wrap their heads around. |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
851
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:02:00 -
[131] - Quote
How to improve eve:
Do not try to discuss in dev blogs
Find out what doesn't work properly because of stupid/silly/broken/not existing mechanics, exploit each and every one of them with your alts and as many brainless cheeps you can find (easy in eve).
->patch
-> win brb |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
8
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:03:00 -
[132] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote: Seriously, the **** is wrong with some of you? If bumping wasn't allowed, CCP would have done something when you guys reported it, but instead they said "WE LIKE IT!!!!"
And they've NEVER allowed something for years, and then after circumstances changed, changed their policy on it? lol, as I suspected, you're guilty of hypocritical selective reasoning.
Quote: Stop ignoring what you're being told, accept it, and start orbiting the ******* asteroids instead of being complete morons about it.
Orbiting the asteroid is a common and not-very-useful tactic, you're just showing your ignorance by assuming otherwise.
Quote:PS: It's not bad for the game, because it's a sandbox. Get over it.
I was over it before it even happened, just like I'm over you completely missing the point and responding with mindless repetitious bleating like this instead of anything relevant to my post. Your incomprehension doesn't cause me any problems, because it's a sandbox. Get over it.
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MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
152
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:06:00 -
[133] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:I predict 2-3 years down the road when CCP implements a collision damage model, hordes of New Order faithful will flock to the forums and whine that their important emergent method of gameplay has been unfairly nerfed.
Actually I just thought bumping this thread seemed entirely appropriate.
Sounds great. I will bump every miner to death in a damnation without CONCORD intervention. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
74
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:11:00 -
[134] - Quote
James 315 is a Hero! It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
158
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:14:00 -
[135] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote: blah blah James Alt babble blah blah *snip*
James... err I mean 'Galaxy Pig' you forgot to ask CCP to legitimize James' perverted need to control miner's urination habits?
Bad alt BAD! Keep your eye on the prize!
"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."-á --á James 315 - aka - the miner bumper |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
852
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:17:00 -
[136] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: blah blah James Alt babble blah blah *snip* James... err I mean 'Galaxy Pig'  you forgot to ask CCP to legitimize James' perverted need to control miner's urination habits? Bad alt BAD! Keep your eye on the prize!
The funny part is how many idiots pay him so he stops bulling them, this is just hilarious, really really hilarious.
brb |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1989
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:24:00 -
[137] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2fwHjLvvk4
new highsec theme song |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
852
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:39:00 -
[138] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2fwHjLvvk4
new highsec theme song
Nah, this one is better !! brb |

Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:43:00 -
[139] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: blah blah James Alt babble blah blah *snip* James... err I mean 'Galaxy Pig'  you forgot to ask CCP to legitimize James' perverted need to control miner's urination habits? Bad alt BAD! Keep your eye on the prize! The funny part is how many idiots pay him so he stops bulling them, this is just hilarious, really really hilarious.
You have access to his wallet do ya? Another James alt?
Actually what is even funnier is an idiot who would believe the claims of a character known mainly for making outlandish foolish claims lol? 
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
852
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:44:00 -
[140] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote: blah blah James Alt babble blah blah *snip* James... err I mean 'Galaxy Pig'  you forgot to ask CCP to legitimize James' perverted need to control miner's urination habits? Bad alt BAD! Keep your eye on the prize! The funny part is how many idiots pay him so he stops bulling them, this is just hilarious, really really hilarious. You have access to his wallet do ya? Another James alt? Actually what is even funnier is an idiot who would believe the claims of a character known mainly for making outlandish foolish claims lol? 
You need some more, take it all !! brb |
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1905
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:54:00 -
[141] - Quote
Roime wrote:Hisec players top 3 10/2012
1. Chribba 2. James 315 3. Solstice Project
Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?
Why thank you ! :D
Wait ... who are you and why am i only third ? :/
Aramatheia wrote:solution to bumping inbalances
realistic collision modeling
halo does it You know ... there are always people coming up with clever ideas about things they have no actual understanding off ... and yours is one of them.
Anyway ... to understand the actual issue with your idea, simply dock at Jita 4-4, undock, hit the brakes, zoom in and WATCH !
Weiland Taur wrote:How is this emergent gameplay? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence ... ... is the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions. Emergence is central to the theories of integrative levels and of complex systems.
Your cases of being kicked into your candy ass by others is one way to look at it. You build something and they **** it up. That's emergent. It creates a set of new things that can/will happen, compared to what would have been if they didn't. If you just suck it up and don't seek revenge, then you "missed" (loser) the chance to create actual emergent gameplay yourself.
Another way to understand is to look at what most people do. If you can see beyond your existence as a lemming, you can realize that most people actually do the same things (groups of actions). We can talk about emergent gameplay in regards to james, because he does something different.
Of course, bumping in itself isn't different at all, but the simple action of bumping a miner, combined with the other simple action of blackmailing them, creates a huge set of new possibilities for everybody involved ...
... including all those lemmings hating him for being different.
Of course, one could argue that everybody creates emergent gameplay in one way or the other, but that's not "actually" what's happening. Assuming that lemmings are needed to keep a society intact ... ... (easily observable) ... ... then one could say that they don't create emergent "gameplay",
but everything just "works as intended", with a rather small set of (new) possibilities in the near future.
Examples of reallife people "living" "emergent gameplay": Wright-Brothers, Tesla, Da Vinci, Socrates, Galileo, etc.
Now i'm in no way saying that james is a genius what-so-ever, but not acknowledging the fact that he does things that are *different* compared to what everybody else does ... well, that's typical for a lemming.
The name "The New Order" is kind of fitting, because he has "thought up" a way to have impact on the miners lives, which will/maybe encourages others to do the same. Once/If a critical mass of people paying attention to it is reached, it will spread like a wildfire and miners will start raging on the forums about it as if hell has broken loose in new eden.
I could go on and on and on about this, tbh.
Have a look at this, for example, and try some actual deeper thinking:Quote:John Galls Systemantics laws: 1. Everything is a system
2. No system exists in isolation. It is always part of a larger meta system and contains an infinite number of subsystems.
3. All systems are infinitely complex. The illusion of simplicity is achieved only by ignoring most of the factors.
The End. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
103
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 20:11:00 -
[142] - Quote
Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1905
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 20:29:00 -
[143] - Quote
Weiland Taur wrote:Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed. Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different", especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new".
You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Alara IonStorm
3314
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:39:00 -
[144] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote: You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...
I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1905
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:47:00 -
[145] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Solstice Project wrote: You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...
I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years. *LOL* Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
103
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:49:00 -
[146] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Weiland Taur wrote:Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed. Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different", especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new". You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ... (edit: btw, i added something to the last post. just like i do now. ^_^)
Miners have been bumped for ages. You can find examples on Youtube of the mechanic being exercised prior to the Jamesian Era. Pilots have been being extorted since the beginning of Eve. Nikki Rahhl (sp) was doing this just last year in Aydoteux (sp). He/she ran a protection racket and herded the miners beneath her/his wings like lost sheep. It was a little sad to hear them calling for their "sheriff" when other miners tried mining their rocks or made that sad in local. Goons pulled this during the last interdiction; you could buy a pass from the local Goon boss to ice mine. Not sure if it was honored but the "mechanic" was there. The idea of using your target's frustration as a means to extort ISK is the foundation of certain AFK system camping, bumping, some aspects of the ninja salvaging, mission item theft, etc... All use the same basic tool; I will get in the way of what you are doing until I frustrate you enough for you to pay me to leave. The tool is ingenious but hardly new. James jumped on the bandwagon of blaming the miners (hisec dwellers) for their own ills; a flavor of propaganda popularized again by Goonswarm prior to James's grabbing the script. I am sure with some research into the forums you would find similar diatribes against mission runners, Incursion runners, etc... Even the Roleplaying aspect is fairly recycled. One of the most interesting things in Eve is how the most basic aspects of "fascism 101" are used to great effect on an amnesia prone audience unable to remember that the same stunt was pulled on them during the last expansion cycle.
Ok, my soapbox is cracking and I should get down.
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Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
103
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:50:00 -
[147] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Solstice Project wrote: You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...
I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years.
That was awesome. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
853
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:51:00 -
[148] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Weiland Taur wrote:Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed. Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different", especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new". You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ... (edit: btw, i added something to the last post. just like i do now. ^_^)
Why wasting time trying to explain what you are unable to understand?
Some people have tried countless times and you're still fixed with same nonsense arguments so, :crazyfrog: says "brrrraaamm tadamtatam tamtam tata, braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatata taratata" brb |

Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
437
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:56:00 -
[149] - Quote
I read the first 2 pages. Skimmed the 3rd. Skipped the next 2.
But found a GM response.
Dear Mr. Pig James (some random number)
You can't win a Kewpie Doll on the Bumper Cars, you need to play the Shooting Gallery, yes, the one with the little ducks?
Regards GM WTF
Supporting evidence.
James 3:15 at work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmB5M9DJwH0
Note there is 6m:50s of BS and preamble before anything happens. (Proves that it's James 3:15)
(Warning to viewers: Images of James 3:15) "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
144
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:14:00 -
[150] - Quote
Wow.....I have to agree with dev, who was phone. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
8
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:41:00 -
[151] - Quote
*edit fail* |

LordShazbot
Fleet of Fail Usurper.
4
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Posted - 2012.10.21 00:43:00 -
[152] - Quote
James 315 is a boss-hog. I have enjoyed his blogs and lol at all the awesomeness that he provides. Seeing how much fun James 315 is having while playing spaceships gives me one more thing to do if i start to get bored with what ever i am currently doing. Hats off to James 315 for playing how he wants to play.
Hater gon hate. |

Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
200
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Posted - 2012.10.21 07:39:00 -
[153] - Quote
HI-sec I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |

MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
152
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Posted - 2012.10.21 08:18:00 -
[154] - Quote
It would've been epic if he was James 304. "Consider ships: they are so large that strong winds are needed to drive them. But pilots direct their ships wherever they want with a little rudder." |

Kaz Ironhand
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.21 21:06:00 -
[155] - Quote
LordShazbot wrote:James 315 is a boss-hog. I have enjoyed his blogs and lol at all the awesomeness that he provides. Seeing how much fun James 315 is having while playing spaceships gives me one more thing to do if i start to get bored with what ever i am currently doing. Hats off to James 315 for playing how he wants to play.
Hater gon hate.
I didn't even know this random guy was the only one having fun while playing spaceships and doing it how he wants to ...Clearly I was wrong about it all along. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1607
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Posted - 2012.10.21 23:30:00 -
[156] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:8 of people arguing against strawmen, on all sides of the debate. It'd be much more productive if we had a brainstorming session on possible improvements to the collision system. Or, my personal favorite, we put James315 out of business by moving all ice to lowsec/nullsec. That's a win/win, highseccers will no longer get bumped, and afk/bot ice miners will now get killed lickety split. What about just increase the barge/exhumer mass by 1000x. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1658
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Posted - 2012.10.21 23:39:00 -
[157] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:8 of people arguing against strawmen, on all sides of the debate. It'd be much more productive if we had a brainstorming session on possible improvements to the collision system. Or, my personal favorite, we put James315 out of business by moving all ice to lowsec/nullsec. That's a win/win, highseccers will no longer get bumped, and afk/bot ice miners will now get killed lickety split. What about just increase the barge/exhumer mass by 1000x.
lol the New Order would just bring more bumping Machs Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
9
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Posted - 2012.10.22 03:13:00 -
[158] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:8 of people arguing against strawmen, on all sides of the debate. It'd be much more productive if we had a brainstorming session on possible improvements to the collision system. Or, my personal favorite, we put James315 out of business by moving all ice to lowsec/nullsec. That's a win/win, highseccers will no longer get bumped, and afk/bot ice miners will now get killed lickety split. What about just increase the barge/exhumer mass by 1000x. lol the New Order would just bring more bumping Machs
which would fail.
It'd be an interesting change. My favorite part would be that you could no longer get barges/exhumers through wormholes as they'd be too massive, unless you carried them in an orca or other ship with an SMA, in which case you could fit 2 or more at a time no problem.
In return for your fine suggestion, I'd like to suggest:
fixing nullsec industry by increasing the volume of frigates by 1000x.
fixing afk cloaking by increasing the time taken to travel using a jump bridge or by a jump-capable capital by 1000x.
fixing the problem of imbalanced highsec income by increasing the blueness of Jita's sun by 1000x. |

Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2012.10.22 04:03:00 -
[159] - Quote
Ramming causes damage to both ships and is treated as an attack. Problem solved.
Now this would still allow a "bumper" to push a miner into another miner. But that would take a) a skill which is not currently required and b) people to be brain dead or afk.
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
9
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Posted - 2012.10.22 04:22:00 -
[160] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:Ramming causes damage to both ships and is treated as an attack. Problem solved.
Now this would still allow a "bumper" to push a miner into another miner. But that would take a) a skill which is not currently required and b) people to be brain dead or afk.
'treated as an attack'...what?
Which one is the attacker, and which one receives the attack? Faster ship? Lighter ship? Ship where the collision was nearest to their prow? The ship that belong to a larger alliance?
Any of these lets you concord someone else just flying along minding their own business. |
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
216
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Posted - 2012.10.22 07:32:00 -
[161] - Quote
Nexus Day wrote:Ramming causes damage to both ships and is treated as an attack. Problem solved.
Now this would still allow a "bumper" to push a miner into another miner. But that would take a) a skill which is not currently required and b) people to be brain dead or afk.
Great idea. I'll just sit outside Jita 4-4 and watch the fireworks. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1941
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:06:00 -
[162] - Quote
Only emergent hi sec player I have seen this year is Solstice Project. He brings a new dimension to hi sec in his Thrashers.
James 315 has emerged only in the sense that he managed to convince otherwise conservative investors into giving him 13B. Technically it's more of a "cinema ticket" than an investment. A fairly expensive ticket, considering the minimal efforts required to get a Stabber.
Prolonged bump + racket is something I have witnessed (and fought against by supporting an anti-gank corp) since 1+ years ago, it's really nothing new under the sun.
Even his presence imo is somewhat too limited. Some of my alts currently live in one of his "new order" systems, I don't see a real "new order", some annoyance at best.
New order was when Bat Country would make tabula rasa for 23/7. THAT was emergent game play, in the sense nobody else would create such effective and prolonged activities.
Overall, once let the loud self emperor declaring words, I find that the capsuleers cemetery or even the EvE RL charity fund are more emergent than this. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1941
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:07:00 -
[163] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Ramming causes damage to both ships and is treated as an attack. Problem solved.
Now this would still allow a "bumper" to push a miner into another miner. But that would take a) a skill which is not currently required and b) people to be brain dead or afk.
Great idea. I'll just sit outside Jita 4-4 and watch the fireworks.
How could that be a bad thing? EvE economy needs constant destruction. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
216
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:09:00 -
[164] - Quote
That's why I said it was a great idea. Not that I care about the economy. That can diafirl too for all I care :D |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:09:00 -
[165] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:What is this i don't even... Honestly, I don't know. But sounds like a request for highly visible literacy campaign concerning EULA terms and rules of the game. Preferably with those "one-time eve announcements" on login screen. |

Farbs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:22:00 -
[166] - Quote
I'm amazed to see how much attention some unimportant guy gets on the forums based on the fact that he manages to be slightly annoying in one out of hundreds of systems.
I'm also somewhat amused by the "OMG IT'S A SANDBOX GAME" crew, and the indignation and rage they show when someone disagrees with THEIR ways of playing in the sandbox. Hai Solstice. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:44:00 -
[167] - Quote
Farbs wrote:I'm amazed to see how much attention some unimportant guy gets on the forums based on the fact that he manages to be slightly annoying in one out of hundreds of systems.
I'm also somewhat amused by the "OMG IT'S A SANDBOX GAME" crew, and the indignation and rage they show when someone disagrees with THEIR ways of playing in the sandbox. Hai Solstice. wow thats deep. bet you care to explain what you are talking about, right? because you make no sense to me. and i am sure that you being a lemming does not have anything to do with your post... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:51:00 -
[168] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Only emergent hi sec player I have seen this year is Solstice Project. He brings a new dimension to hi sec in his Thrashers. James 315 has emerged only in the sense that he managed to convince otherwise conservative investors into giving him 13B. Technically it's more of a "cinema ticket" than an investment. A fairly expensive ticket, considering the minimal efforts required to get a Stabber. Prolonged bump + racket is something I have witnessed (and fought against by supporting an anti-gank corp) since 1+ years ago, it's really nothing new under the sun. Even his presence imo is somewhat too limited. Some of my alts currently live in one of his "new order" systems, I don't see a real "new order", some annoyance at best. New order was when Bat Country would make tabula rasa for 23/7. THAT was emergent game play, in the sense nobody else would create such effective and prolonged activities. Overall, once let the loud self emperor declaring words, I find that the capsuleers cemetery or even the EvE RL charity fund are more emergent than this.
Wow, look who's butt-hurt about his own initiative not being mentioned as emergent gameplay. And do you even see your own double standard? James 315 is not emergent because it is "nothing new", but shooting pods for bragging rights is emergent, though there's nothing new about that either? James 315 has a "limited presence" with just a few systems but some guy always hanging out in the same system is somehow dominating the universe? I'd ask what you were thinking when you wrote that, but cleary you weren't thinking at all.
(Btw, James 315 raised 20B so far; I'm not sure where you got the 13B figure) It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1941
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Posted - 2012.10.22 13:17:00 -
[169] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote: Wow, look who's butt-hurt about his own initiative not being mentioned as emergent gameplay. And do you even see your own double standard? James 315 is not emergent because it is "nothing new", but shooting pods for bragging rights is emergent, though there's nothing new about that either? James 315 has a "limited presence" with just a few systems but some guy always hanging out in the same system is somehow dominating the universe? I'd ask what you were thinking when you wrote that, but cleary you weren't thinking at all.
(Btw, James 315 raised 20B so far; I'm not sure where you got the 13B figure)
I don't need to be butt-hurt over some forum based self personality cult. My initiative:
1) It's from 2010 so it'd be hardly a 2012 emergent initiative. 2) Has been showcased at Fanfest 2011 (with no request of mine), which imho is something different than being relegated on a forum. Even then, the intent is to help save RL human lives not to highlight my person so I can't care the less that I am not put on the king throne. 3) I pasted the number on his thread title I have seen this morning. If he does not keep it updated it's not my fault. Not gonna read it every day. In my country we had one of those dictators he refers himself to so much, I don't find it funny. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Austneal
Drone Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.10.22 13:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
Never heard of him |
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2012.10.22 14:09:00 -
[171] - Quote
SO let me see if I get this right.
Someone decides to bump miners. Which means they aren't even destroying them just bumping them and then trying to get them to pay ISK to be left alone.
And people are paying to not be bumped and people are paying into the company that is doing the bumping.
You ever met a person that always wants to hug everyone. This is what the whole thing reminds me of.
People running around hugging miners screaming "I love you man" and the miners saying "Get off me, here have some ISk and go away".
So the flower and huggy people are now officially in EVE.
WOW, Speechless.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2012.10.22 14:32:00 -
[172] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:3) I pasted the number on his thread title I have seen this morning. If he does not keep it updated it's not my fault. Title says 20B; last edit was at 01:05 last night.
I'm glad you saw that your own double standard made so little sense it wasn't worth spending a single word defending it. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
81
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:03:00 -
[173] - Quote
The real gripe with James (hilarious as he may be) is not that he bumps miners, but that miners can do nothing about it. You cant bump him back, thats pointless. You can't shoot him, you can't even wardec him. You cant fit anti-bumping mods. Ignoring him and hoping you have more patience is hardly a winning plan.
In every other instance of harassment there is something you can do about it, kill rights for ganks, flags for stealing your loot, etc. I don't know exactly what would be a good mechanic that wouldn't be used by gankers to lure noobs to flag themselves, but I'm sure some form of system can be dreamt up.
What I have yet to see is an explanation from the bumper camp as to why they should be invulnerable to retaliation from the miners, or the miners friends. What they do may not be against the EULA, but that is no reason for why they should be safe in EvE. Surely James has enough isk for a few more stabbers saved up somewhere?
So tell me bumpers, exact mechanics aside, do you think there should be flagging for what you do? And if no, does that not make you the very worst form of self hating carebears? |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3005
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:07:00 -
[174] - Quote
Dread Pirate Pete wrote:The real gripe with James (hilarious as he may be) is not that he bumps miners, but that miners can do nothing about it. You cant bump him back, thats pointless. You can't shoot him, you can't even wardec him. You cant fit anti-bumping mods. Ignoring him and hoping you have more patience is hardly a winning plan.
In every other instance of harassment there is something you can do about it, kill rights for ganks, flags for stealing your loot, etc. I don't know exactly what would be a good mechanic that wouldn't be used by gankers to lure noobs to flag themselves, but I'm sure some form of system can be dreamt up.
What I have yet to see is an explanation from the bumper camp as to why they should be invulnerable to retaliation from the miners, or the miners friends. What they do may not be against the EULA, but that is no reason for why they should be safe in EvE. Surely James has enough isk for a few more stabbers saved up somewhere?
So tell me bumpers, exact mechanics aside, do you think there should be flagging for what you do? And if no, does that not make you the very worst form of self hating carebears? I have already fully addressed that question.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1919
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:11:00 -
[175] - Quote
Dread Pirate Pete wrote:The real gripe with James (hilarious as he may be) is not that he bumps miners, but that miners can do nothing about it. You cant bump him back, thats pointless. You can't shoot him, you can't even wardec him. You cant fit anti-bumping mods. Ignoring him and hoping you have more patience is hardly a winning plan.
You could pay him, or dodge his bumps. Or... you know, be at your keyboard, respond, and he won't bump you. Or are you saying that you should be able to PvP while not at your keyboard?
Dread Pirate Pete wrote:So tell me bumpers, exact mechanics aside, do you think there should be flagging for what you do? Nope. Bumping happens way too much on accident elsewhere in Eve for it to be reasonable for it to cause flags. This is the same reason damage from bumping doesn't work: the Jita undock or ratting in asteroid belts would be death.
Yes, bumping is silly, and it would be great if it could be "fixed", but I don't see how.
Dread Pirate Pete wrote:And if no, does that not make you the very worst form of self hating carebears?
carebearn. derogatory term used to describe players who prefer to refrain from PvP combat. Activities that involve playing against the game environment are collectively referred to as "carebearing." Some examples of behavior:
- Is a non-PvP oriented pilot - generally a miner or mission-runner.
- Refuses to engage in PvP at all costs.
- Disagrees with PvP existing in empire space.
- Often is a solo pilot still in an original NPC corp.
- Responds to violent/illegal interaction with other players with a negative and unsporting attitude.
- Tries to amass as much wealth as possible while expecting as little conflict as possible.
(source)
I don't see how any of these apply to miner bumpers. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
9
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:20:00 -
[176] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:[
You could pay him, or dodge his bumps. Or... you know, be at your keyboard, respond, and he won't bump you. Or are you saying that you should be able to PvP while not at your keyboard?
This is untrue, in my observation he preferentially bumps those that are at their keyboard and respond, in an attempt to get them to pay him money or pay him with tears. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1919
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:[
You could pay him, or dodge his bumps. Or... you know, be at your keyboard, respond, and he won't bump you. Or are you saying that you should be able to PvP while not at your keyboard?
This is untrue, in my observation he preferentially bumps those that are at their keyboard and respond, in an attempt to get them to pay him money or pay him with tears. I refer you to The Code, for your perusal. Being at your keyboard and not botting is in accordance to The Code, and lets you remain in good standing with the Order. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1942
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:30:00 -
[178] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:3) I pasted the number on his thread title I have seen this morning. If he does not keep it updated it's not my fault. Title says 20B; last edit was at 01:05 last night.
Your "last night" is not necessarily my "last night".
Nanatoa wrote: I'm glad you saw that your own double standard made so little sense it wasn't worth spending a single word defending it.
There's no double standard at all.
It's not something new at all: neither the bumping (which I got plenty in the past years beginning from 0.0 when trying to dock) nor the miners racketing (usually it's pay or explode, not pay or get bumped though).
An EvE cemetery, a charity, web-scrambling, goons grid shaping, creating a FW Forex (later deemed as quasi-exploit), even boomerang (non) suicide ganking... those are things that were totally new and really not in the designers minds at all. Some of these things ended up being banished because "too emergent", but let's be real, those are the things that push the game to new limits, not bumping some AFK dude. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
9
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:42:00 -
[179] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:[
You could pay him, or dodge his bumps. Or... you know, be at your keyboard, respond, and he won't bump you. Or are you saying that you should be able to PvP while not at your keyboard?
This is untrue, in my observation he preferentially bumps those that are at their keyboard and respond, in an attempt to get them to pay him money or pay him with tears. I refer you to The Code, for your perusal. Being at your keyboard and not botting is in accordance to The Code, and lets you remain in good standing with the Order.
I refer you to This Post by James315 , which proves you wrong yet again. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:47:00 -
[180] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Your "last night" is not necessarily my "last night". Not necessarily perhaps, but it is, isn't it? Your posting habits suggest you sleep from about midnight to 06:00 game time.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa wrote: I'm glad you saw that your own double standard made so little sense it wasn't worth spending a single word defending it.
There's no double standard at all. You called what Solstice Project does 'emergent', but you dismissed what James 315 does as 'nothing new' and 'limited'. There is your double standard. If "bumping some AFK dude" is not emergent then neither is podding some autopiloting dude. None of your examples have anything to do with this.
Petrus Blackshell wrote:I refer you to The Code, for your perusal. Being at your keyboard and not botting is in accordance to The Code, and lets you remain in good standing with the Order. You still have to pay for an indulgence though. Not being AFK prevents you from losing your indulgence after you paid for it. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
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Metal Icarus
Endless Destruction
307
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Posted - 2012.10.22 15:50:00 -
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James 315 is a ***** and this attempt of a circle jerk about him just confirms my suspicions of him being a *****.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1920
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:07:00 -
[182] - Quote
I appear to be wrong. My apologies.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1942
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:08:00 -
[183] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Your "last night" is not necessarily my "last night". Not necessarily perhaps, but it is, isn't it? Your posting habits suggest you sleep from about midnight to 06:00 game time.
On last week's Friday my RL trader mentor has started a special project, chose 3 people (me being one of them) and put them to work hard as hell. My posting habits and sleep since then are not exactly... standard. And leave me less time to post on the forums for sure.
Nanatoa wrote: You called what Solstice Project does 'emergent', but you dismissed what James 315 does as 'nothing new' and 'limited'. There is your double standard. If "bumping some AFK dude" is not emergent then neither is podding some autopiloting dude. None of your examples have anything to do with this.
Have you actually *seen* what he does? He plays as -10 in hi sec like hi sec was nullsec or at least he makes it look like it is so. It's awesome!
I have not seen anyone playing how he does. He does not just sit at a gate (he could not) waiting for the noob.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
163
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:17:00 -
[184] - Quote
A friendly bump for a service/product I endorse and recommend....would bump again. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1920
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:23:00 -
[185] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa wrote: You called what Solstice Project does 'emergent', but you dismissed what James 315 does as 'nothing new' and 'limited'. There is your double standard. If "bumping some AFK dude" is not emergent then neither is podding some autopiloting dude. None of your examples have anything to do with this.
Have you actually *seen* what he does? He plays as -10 in hi sec like hi sec was nullsec or at least he makes it look like it is so. It's awesome! I have not seen anyone playing how he does. He does not just sit at a gate (he could not) waiting for the noob. I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:32:00 -
[186] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa wrote: You called what Solstice Project does 'emergent', but you dismissed what James 315 does as 'nothing new' and 'limited'. There is your double standard. If "bumping some AFK dude" is not emergent then neither is podding some autopiloting dude. None of your examples have anything to do with this.
Have you actually *seen* what he does? He plays as -10 in hi sec like hi sec was nullsec or at least he makes it look like it is so. It's awesome! I have not seen anyone playing how he does. He does not just sit at a gate (he could not) waiting for the noob. No she hasn't and i wouldn't even blame her for believing i'm just like the average guy. She can't know that i not only shoot pods, but also actually entertain the people of Hek, when i'm around.
Thank you, Vaerah ! :D
Anyway ... i have to correct my false belief ... connecting "emergent" to "new" isn't even stated in the definition.
Argueing about this makes no sense, tbh. Every action is emergent, as long as it influences the lives of others and produces new sets of possibilities. Hell, even lack of action can be called emergent, because not doing something enables others to do it.
I saw that there's a new thread about how boring EvE is ... at least for some people. This is the real problem we need to address. Our universe lacks content creators more than anything else. It's full of lemmings doing something that could be seen as their every day job ... ingame ... instead of realising that it's a game, which enables people to actually not do what they already do anyway ... being a lemming.
Disclaimer: The next paragraph doesn't address anybody who actively tries to influence the lives of others.
I see the flames of people saying "don't tell me how to play" already coming, but that's not what i'm doing. What i'm telling you is that you ... the general YOU ... actually play far behind your own abilities of having actual ACTIVE INFLUENCE onto others, instead of the passive, "working as intended" influence you have as the lemming you are.
This thread has no point. People complaining about how others play, demanding that they be left alone so they can play how they want, while at the same time ignoring that they are demanding from others that they don't play how they want. People talking bad about those who try to have influence and play the game in ways it allows, ignoring that they are only pissed off about the mirrored image of their own incapabilities.
In sum, one can say that the lemmings are simply mad about being lemmings and blame those who aren't. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:33:00 -
[187] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Could you elaborate on that, please ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
12
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:40:00 -
[188] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Could you elaborate on that, please ?
Why would you ask him to? It's completely irrelevant, he's arguing against some hypothetical line of debate about which things are more boring, which is inherently pointless and which I haven't even seen being made in this thread. It's a giant pointless strawman fallacy.
Wouldn't it be more productive, if you really were interested in discussing boredom, to find traditionally boring activities, find people who enjoy them, and then ask them why they enjoy them? That would still be way offtopic in this thread, of course, but if you find a place to do that, that would be a way do move it forward in a productive direction. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1920
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:42:00 -
[189] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Could you elaborate on that, please ? I'm not sure what elaboration it requires. While James is technically doing "nothing new" from a mechanical point of view, I have never heard of a united and profitable anti-AFKer campaign in hisec featuring bumping as its main tactic. Calling it "just bumping miners, which is as old as Eve" is like calling Solstice's stuff or the Goonswarm ice interdiction "just hisec-ganking, which is as old as Eve". It discredits these efforts by reducing them to as simple terms as possible.
As another example, saying Shakespeare "just wrote some words" is technically true, but also quite unfair. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1920
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:43:00 -
[190] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:Wouldn't it be more productive, if you really were interested in discussing boredom, to find traditionally boring activities, find people who enjoy them, and then ask them why they enjoy them? That would still be way offtopic in this thread, of course, but if you find a place to do that, that would be a way do move it forward in a productive direction. That would be boring. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:45:00 -
[191] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Could you elaborate on that, please ? Why would you ask him to? It's completely irrelevant, he's arguing against some hypothetical line of debate about which things are more boring, which is inherently pointless and which I haven't even seen being made in this thread. It's a giant pointless strawman fallacy. Wouldn't it be more productive, if you really were interested in discussing boredom, to find traditionally boring activities, find people who enjoy them, and then ask them why they enjoy them? That would still be way offtopic in this thread, of course, but if you find a place to do that, that would be a way do move it forward in a productive direction. I guess it's none of your business why i asked him.
On a funny sidenote: You ask me to do something productive, while you yourself aren't productive at all. Nice. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:51:00 -
[192] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Could you elaborate on that, please ? I'm not sure what elaboration it requires. While James is technically doing "nothing new" from a mechanical point of view, I have never heard of a united and profitable anti-AFKer campaign in hisec featuring bumping as its main tactic. Calling it "just bumping miners, which is as old as Eve" is like calling Solstice's stuff or the Goonswarm ice interdiction "just hisec-ganking, which is as old as Eve". It discredits these efforts by reducing them to as simple terms as possible. As another example, saying Shakespeare "just wrote some words" is technically true, but also quite unfair. Thank you. Exactly what i hoped for.
In other words: People have no clue, but believe they have and thus talk crap about things they don't *really* understand.
It's like in the real world. They are totally disconnected with actual reality. Like watching the news and believing to know what "War" is, because the news shows what "War" is ... ignoring the fact that it's impossible to know what "War" really is unless one is stuck right in the middle of it.
People who ignore feelings involved in whatever happens and thus reduce everything to a few words that don't actually express the experiences and depth that is part of the actual reality.
Welcome to "modern" civilization. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
12
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:52:00 -
[193] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Could you elaborate on that, please ? I'm not sure what elaboration it requires. While James is technically doing "nothing new" from a mechanical point of view, I have never heard of a united and profitable anti-AFKer campaign in hisec featuring bumping as its main tactic. Calling it "just bumping miners, which is as old as Eve" is like calling Solstice's stuff or the Goonswarm ice interdiction "just hisec-ganking, which is as old as Eve". It discredits these efforts by reducing them to as simple terms as possible. As another example, saying Shakespeare "just wrote some words" is technically true, but also quite unfair.
It's not profitable, as an anti-AFK'er campaign. Hardly anyone pays for indulgences.
It's very profitable, as a "pay to join cool club", which is definitely not new. It's obviously emergent gameplay, despite not being new. I think Vaerah is operating with a personal definition of 'emergent' which specifically disallows gameplay which is both not innovative, and consists of getting a group of people together to bully others, from being called emergent. Like Solstice already mentioned, emergent behavior is actually the norm not the exception when it comes to interactions of things which are already wellsprings of emergence, like living things, so any time you start throwing around emergence as a positive worthy goal, these redefinitions are quite common.
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
12
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:53:00 -
[194] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post". Could you elaborate on that, please ? Why would you ask him to? It's completely irrelevant, he's arguing against some hypothetical line of debate about which things are more boring, which is inherently pointless and which I haven't even seen being made in this thread. It's a giant pointless strawman fallacy. Wouldn't it be more productive, if you really were interested in discussing boredom, to find traditionally boring activities, find people who enjoy them, and then ask them why they enjoy them? That would still be way offtopic in this thread, of course, but if you find a place to do that, that would be a way do move it forward in a productive direction. I guess it's none of your business why i asked him. On a funny sidenote: You ask me to do something productive, while you yourself aren't productive at all. Nice.
I guess you answered a rhetorical question. Oops.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1923
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:56:00 -
[195] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:Hardly anyone pays for indulgences. How do you figure? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:04:00 -
[196] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:It's not profitable, as an anti-AFK'er campaign. Hardly anyone pays for indulgences.
It's very profitable, as a "pay to join cool club", which is definitely not new. It's obviously emergent gameplay, despite not being new. I think Vaerah is operating with a personal definition of 'emergent' which specifically disallows gameplay which is both not innovative, and consists of getting a group of people together to bully others, from being called emergent. Like Solstice already mentioned, emergent behavior is actually the norm not the exception when it comes to interactions of things which are already wellsprings of emergence, like living things, so any time you start throwing around emergence as a positive worthy goal, these redefinitions are quite common. I'm not quite sure i really said it that way.
Everyday-people with everyday-lives hardly create new possibilites for others, thus it's not actually "emergent". It's just "working as intended" without creating any new sets of possibilities.
Have a conscious thought and do something totally out of your normal behavioral patterns, which influences at least one other person. That's emergent behaviour.
Doing the same thing you do every day, every week, for months until you die ... that's not.
That's what lemmings do and they keep society up with their crap lives, but calling it emergent makes it look like everybody is actually awesome, although 99% of the people are just boring assholes only caring about themselves.
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:04:00 -
[197] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Your "last night" is not necessarily my "last night". Not necessarily perhaps, but it is, isn't it? Your posting habits suggest you sleep from about midnight to 06:00 game time. On last week's Friday my RL trader mentor has started a special project, chose 3 people (me being one of them) and put them to work hard as hell. My posting habits and sleep since then are not exactly... standard. And leave me less time to post on the forums for sure.
I checked the exact times of your posts in the last two months. There's a big dip in your posts between 22:00 and 05:00 (sorry I was off a bit with my eyeballed "midnight to 06:00"). In two months, you have never posted between 02:00 and 04:00. So I call BS on your implication that 01:05 might be 'morning' to you. Why don't you just admit it isn't?
Solstice Project wrote:No she hasn't and i wouldn't even blame her for believing i'm just like the average guy. She can't know that i not only shoot pods, but also actually entertain the people of Hek, when i'm around. Indeed I have not seen you in action; in any case I have no problem at all with what you do, whatever you do exactly. My point is that it is idiotic for Vaerah Vahrokha to praise what you do while dismissing what James 315 does, because you are doing the same thing James 315: using the game to entertain people, which is great. My qualification of your actions as just "podding some autopiloting dude" was to compare it to Vaerah Vahrokha's qualification of James 315's actions as just "bumping some AFK dude"
(tl;dr: what Petrus Blackshell said) It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:05:00 -
[198] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:I guess you answered a rhetorical question. Oops. You're a hater. No point in talking to you any further. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:07:00 -
[199] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Indeed I have not seen you in action; in any case I have no problem at all with what you do, whatever you do exactly. My point is that it is idiotic for Vaerah Vahrokha to praise what you do while dismissing what James 315 does, because you are doing the same thing James 315: using the game to entertain people, which is great. My qualification of your actions as just "podding some autopiloting dude" was to compare it to Vaerah Vahrokha's qualification of James 315's actions as just "bumping some AFK dude". Ahhh ... mhm mhm. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
12
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:13:00 -
[200] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Hardly anyone pays for indulgences. How do you figure?
See, we keep having these debates, over the facts of the matter. I trained ice mining on an alt, and moved my ice miner to Halaima, both recently, with the goal of observing the social interactions between the miners and the agents. You didn't make an alt to go observe, and your main has poor sec status so you don't take him to Halaima.
I'm not saying that you should stay out of the discussion for this reason, there's a practical side and a theoretical side, and I'm not trying to privilege one over the other. I'm not saying that my personal experience is more valuable than anyone else's personal experience, either. If an agent comes out and says "oh, tons of people pay", then he and I will in effect be calling each other liars, and it will be up to the reader to decide whom to believe.
I'm just saying, I keep making statements that are obviously based on my personal observations, and you keep asking me how I figure them. The answer is always the same. I was there. I may be lying, and I may be a poor observer, although I'll tell you now that neither of those is true. My personal observation is that half of the miners that stayed in the NewOrder systems were there to observe how it all played out, and the other half stayed to petition the NewOrder repeatedly. Then of course you had the odd person newly arrived, mining is a profession most do early and then leave after a time...but there was no rational reason to keep mining in Halaima, when you could jsut move somewhere else. Since part of paying the 10m was putting a statement of support in your bio for the new order, it was easy to see who had paid, or who pretended to pay and just put the statement in their bio, which would have the same effect, of course. I would mine for days without seeing a single person pay, watching many bumpers come through. It was my observation that the bumpers would mainly claim they were doing it to stop botting, but that around 80% of them were actually more interested in starting arguments with the real at the computer miners, just trying to gather tears. Not that tear gathering doesn't have a long and storied history in EVE, but I found it ironic that these 'bumpers' would make fun of the miners for playing in hisec mining in safety, when they themselves had chosen to come to hisec and bump as their method of tear-gathering. In that sense, I found the bumpers and the ice miners to be more alike than different. |
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
12
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:17:00 -
[201] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:I guess you answered a rhetorical question. Oops. You're a hater. No point in talking to you any further.
Solstice Project wrote: although 99% of the people are just boring assholes only caring about themselves.
I think the above quotes speak for themselves. "For tis the sport to haue the enginer / Hoist with his owne petar." |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:18:00 -
[202] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:Interesting. I retract my before made comment. Can you tell me when bumpers are around ? Last time i visited the system, there weren't any there.
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Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
81
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:26:00 -
[203] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Dread Pirate Pete wrote:The real gripe with James (hilarious as he may be) is not that he bumps miners, but that miners can do nothing about it. You cant bump him back, thats pointless. You can't shoot him, you can't even wardec him. You cant fit anti-bumping mods. Ignoring him and hoping you have more patience is hardly a winning plan.
In every other instance of harassment there is something you can do about it, kill rights for ganks, flags for stealing your loot, etc. I don't know exactly what would be a good mechanic that wouldn't be used by gankers to lure noobs to flag themselves, but I'm sure some form of system can be dreamt up.
What I have yet to see is an explanation from the bumper camp as to why they should be invulnerable to retaliation from the miners, or the miners friends. What they do may not be against the EULA, but that is no reason for why they should be safe in EvE. Surely James has enough isk for a few more stabbers saved up somewhere?
So tell me bumpers, exact mechanics aside, do you think there should be flagging for what you do? And if no, does that not make you the very worst form of self hating carebears? I have already fully addressed that question.
"There shouldn't be any way to stop me kthxbye"

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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
12
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:26:00 -
[204] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Interesting. I retract my before made comment. Can you tell me when bumpers are around ? Last time i visited the system, there weren't any there.
The bumpers have made a temporary voyage to Gallente space. Their vacation spot there is in Tolle, and neighboring systems . This only happened yesterday, so I have yet to make personal observations there. I assume it will be different, as GSF's ice interdiction is also happening in those systems, so will be interesting to see how the dynamic is different. I suppose I'll be switching to a tanked procurer to mine there on my alt. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:28:00 -
[205] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:The bumpers have made a temporary voyage to Gallente space. Their vacation spot there is in Tolle, and neighboring systems . This only happened yesterday, so I have yet to make personal observations there. I assume it will be different, as GSF's ice interdiction is also happening in those systems, so will be interesting to see how the dynamic is different. I suppose I'll be switching to a tanked procurer to mine there on my alt. Thanks for the info ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.10.22 18:23:00 -
[206] - Quote
Just move one system over. Problem solved. Don't talk to them. Don't acknowledge them. Simply go to another system and let karma do the work for you. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 18:40:00 -
[207] - Quote
Tali Ambraelle wrote:Just run away, try to ignore that you're a coward and hope somebody else will deal with him.
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.10.22 18:44:00 -
[208] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:Just run away, try to ignore that you're a coward and hope somebody else will deal with him.
No a matter of cowardice. I want to mine, I'm going to mine.
If I go to a restaurant, and someone was blocking the door, would I try to beat him up? Would I get arrested because I want to go to a restaurant?
No, I'd go to another restaurant. Simple.
So yes, someone else can deal with him, but he won't be affecting my gameplay. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.22 18:51:00 -
[209] - Quote
Tali Ambraelle wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:Just run away, try to ignore that you're a coward and hope somebody else will deal with him. No a matter of cowardice. I want to mine, I'm going to mine. If I go to a restaurant, and someone was blocking the door, would I try to beat him up? Would I get arrested because I want to go to a restaurant? No, I'd go to another restaurant. Simple. So yes, someone else can deal with him, but he won't be affecting my gameplay. Yep, cowardice.
If somebody blocks the door, i ask him to step aside. If he doesn't step aside, i'll make him move aside.
Why ? Because i want to go in that restaurant !
I don't see why i should let the will of others be forced upon me and i don't go anywhere else either to cry about it or because i'm a worthless pile of crap not standing up for things in his life ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.10.22 18:53:00 -
[210] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote: Yep, cowardice.
If somebody blocks the door, i ask him to step aside. If he doesn't step aside, i'll make him move aside.
Why ? Because i want to go in that restaurant !
I don't see why i should let the will of others be forced upon me ...
Because current game mechanics have not yet proven that he can merely be "pushed aside." You're welcome to try it, but that would be far too civil of you.
Either way, as I said before; JC or move to another system, and continue to mine while enjoying banter or watching a movie. |
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1913
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Posted - 2012.10.23 08:40:00 -
[211] - Quote
Tali Ambraelle wrote:(edit: one could also call it Ignorance?Call it what you'd like dear, I frankly don't care.) Obviously you can't. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
34
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:18:00 -
[212] - Quote
I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.
So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1913
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:31:00 -
[213] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.
So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.
Gives a whole new meaning to "escort service" i guess ... ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:00:00 -
[214] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.
So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.
Good luck trying to counterbump a 3km/s Stabber Fleet Issue It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:04:00 -
[215] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.
So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.
Good luck trying to counterbump a 3km/s Stabber Fleet Issue
Post with your main.
Also any half wit pilot can intercept a Stabber at 3 km/s. An interceptor...harder, much more so. A Stabber? Hah.
Either way, the miners will adapt and your "mission" will be made useless. You won't interfere with the majority of afk-miners. There might be 9 in your system, but there's 19,000 across the universe. You already fail :)
Miners win. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:14:00 -
[216] - Quote
A typical incoherent response.
"Hah! Countering you is easy!" "We will adapt!" "You will be made useless" "You have no impact"
If we have no impact and fail, why do we still need to be made useless? Why do you need to adapt if we have no effect? Is counterbumping necessary if what we're doing is useless?
I have yet to see a single counterbump btw; all I've seen so far is miners getting out their combat ship, with predictable results. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:18:00 -
[217] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote: If we have no impact and fail, why do we still need to be made useless?
Because we have enough spam posts here. I'd like some OC for a change. You are not OC.
Quote:Why do you need to adapt if we have no effect? Because your affect is limited in scope. 9 need to adapt, the rest of the thousands of miners don't need to. Simple as that. Whatever effect you have is very, very limited. People wouldn't even know about it if you didn't pontificate on the forums.
Quote:Is counterbumping necessary if what we're doing is useless? Sure, because some people take pride for an odd reason in their system and where they mine, so they don't want to leave. In the grand scheme of things, your task is useless. It's just a minor (cwutididthar) annoyance to them. But still, useless.
Quote:I have yet to see a single counterbump btw; all I've seen so far is miners getting out their combat ship, with predictable results. Here's a thought, try bumping where all the real bots are; 0.0 Alliance Space. I'm sure they'd be very accepting of your...message. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:23:00 -
[218] - Quote
It wouldn't be very logical for the New Order of Highsec to operate in 0.0, would it? Not until the whole of highsec has been Orderified anyway. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:25:00 -
[219] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:It wouldn't be very logical for the New Order of Highsec to operate in 0.0, would it? Not until the whole of highsec has been Orderified anyway.
Now who has an incoherent reply? Won't even attempt to answer my responses?
Right...
Enjoy your wasted time dear. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:32:00 -
[220] - Quote
I answered the only new thing you said in your post (the thing about 0.0). Everything else is just the same old same old. You can consider the New Order useless all you like - it's like a kid putting his hands of his ears and closing his eyes, pretending everything is fine as long as he doesn't hear or see a thing. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:50:00 -
[221] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:I answered the only new thing you said in your post (the thing about 0.0). Everything else is just the same old same old. You can consider the New Order useless all you like - it's like a kid putting his hands of his ears and closing his eyes, pretending everything is fine as long as he doesn't hear or see a thing.
But everything is fine. Miners still mine. The ore still flows in ridiculous amounts. It's the "same old" because it's a fact. You can't claim that you're having a statistically significant impact when well, you aren't. You're throwing the wrench in a few players gameplay, which is jerkish in itself.
But in the grand scheme of things, trying to say that you are "the New Order" or highsec is like a school yard child saying he owns the entirety of the playground and park, while the majority of passerby's chuckle and move on unhindered. Saying you have an impact is laughable.
Also lolRP. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1918
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:57:00 -
[222] - Quote
Its use lies within all those who are inspired by it and start doing the same. Thats the whole reason for all these publicity stunts.
Of course, most people cant "see" that far (or deep) ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Undeniable Chuck
Forced Penetration
16
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Posted - 2012.10.23 14:04:00 -
[223] - Quote
*Queues dramatic music*
No, I am James 315 |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.10.23 14:43:00 -
[224] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Its use lies within all those who are inspired by it and start doing the same. Thats the whole reason for all these publicity stunts.
Of course, most people cant "see" that far (or deep) ...
You give the community too little credit to its apathy. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1919
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:01:00 -
[225] - Quote
Tali Ambraelle wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Its use lies within all those who are inspired by it and start doing the same. Thats the whole reason for all these publicity stunts.
Of course, most people cant "see" that far (or deep) ... You give the community too little credit to its apathy. You have no idea how i hate the peoples apathy...
I sadly now from experience how decadent and ignorant most people nowadays are...
(decadence+ignorance leads to apathy) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1919
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:02:00 -
[226] - Quote
Undeniable Chuck wrote:*Queues dramatic music*
No, I am James 315 I'M THE TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!
LOL WWE Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

March rabbit
R.I.P. Revenge
257
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:08:00 -
[227] - Quote
posting in 12 pages long LOL thread |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.10.23 18:21:00 -
[228] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:posting in 12 pages long LOL thread You can contribute to this saga by going to MinerBumping.com!  It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.23 21:27:00 -
[229] - Quote
Dread Pirate Pete wrote:James 315 wrote:Dread Pirate Pete wrote:The real gripe with James (hilarious as he may be) is not that he bumps miners, but that miners can do nothing about it. You cant bump him back, thats pointless. You can't shoot him, you can't even wardec him. You cant fit anti-bumping mods. Ignoring him and hoping you have more patience is hardly a winning plan.
In every other instance of harassment there is something you can do about it, kill rights for ganks, flags for stealing your loot, etc. I don't know exactly what would be a good mechanic that wouldn't be used by gankers to lure noobs to flag themselves, but I'm sure some form of system can be dreamt up.
What I have yet to see is an explanation from the bumper camp as to why they should be invulnerable to retaliation from the miners, or the miners friends. What they do may not be against the EULA, but that is no reason for why they should be safe in EvE. Surely James has enough isk for a few more stabbers saved up somewhere?
So tell me bumpers, exact mechanics aside, do you think there should be flagging for what you do? And if no, does that not make you the very worst form of self hating carebears? I have already fully addressed that question. "There shouldn't be any way to stop me kthxbye" 
What is the cure for a flu shot?
See, this is one of the many reasons the people elected James to the highest office in Highsec, his encyclopedic knowledge of his own writing! Often a rebellious critic of the New Order will make a point or ask a question that I know James 315 has already rhetorically buried deep in the space-ground, but I can't quite remember how he did it... Then, like superman or some sh!t, he appears with a link prepared to murder your argument like so many puppies in the park.
And then there's the miners who claim to be well versed in Jamesology, but yet ask all the stupid questions James has gone to great lengths to answer:
Stupid miner: "Yeah, I've read your manifestos in their entirety, but what I don't get is... How are highsec miners a threat to EVE?" (hard, violent, repetative facepalm)
Quite frankly James, I don't know how you put up with it. Your seemingly infinite patience with the carebears is just another reason why you're the Supreme Protector and I'm not.
Also, I'm you by the way... We're all you... and the Mittani... Wasn't it impressive of the Mittani -I mean us- to multibox so many alts last Sunday?
In addition, oink, I repeat, oink. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
915
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Posted - 2012.10.23 22:02:00 -
[230] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:Also, I'm you by the way... We're all you... and the Mittani... Wasn't it impressive of the Mittani -I mean us- to multibox so many alts last Sunday?
There's only 3 actual bumpers & none of us know who we really are.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Selinate
1052
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Posted - 2012.10.23 22:07:00 -
[231] - Quote
I don't think I've ever seen someone so successfully troll these forums single handed before... Especially since all of his posts are extremely mild from what I've seen so far.
What on earth did he do to make your butts hurt so badly? |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.10.23 23:09:00 -
[232] - Quote
Which one troll are you referring to? It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1607
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:39:00 -
[233] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:See, this is one of the many reasons the people elected James to the highest office in Highsec, his encyclopedic knowledge of his own writing! Often a rebellious critic of the New Order will make a point or ask a question that I know James 315 has already rhetorically buried deep in the space-ground, but I can't quite remember how he did it... Then, like superman or some sh!t, he appears with a link prepared to murder your argument like so many puppies in the park.
And then there's the miners who claim to be well versed in Jamesology, but yet ask all the stupid questions James has gone to great lengths to answer:
Stupid miner: "Yeah, I've read your manifestos in their entirety, but what I don't get is... How are highsec miners a threat to EVE?" (hard, violent, repetative facepalm)
Quite frankly James, I don't know how you put up with it. Your seemingly infinite patience with the carebears is just another reason why you're the Supreme Protector and I'm not.
Also, I'm you by the way... We're all you... and the Mittani... Wasn't it impressive of the Mittani -I mean us- to multibox so many alts last Sunday?
In addition, oink, I repeat, oink. What happened on Sunday? Is there a minerbumping article to read?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:50:00 -
[234] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:What happened on Sunday? Is there a minerbumping article to read?
The last few posts on the blog are on our road trip last Sunday to Gallente space, to preach the New Order to the miners who are feeling the pressure of the ice interdiction
It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Selinate
1053
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Posted - 2012.10.24 01:03:00 -
[235] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Which one troll are you referring to?
The one that this entire thread is about. |

Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.10.24 01:26:00 -
[236] - Quote
Some people are adapting, even the occasional miner, there's a player who follows the bumpers around suiciding our untanked cruisers, others are dropping cans and taunting the bumpers into stealing from them, not going to happen BTW, we are not thieves & bumping ships are not equipped for PvP, most of us fit civilian guns just for giggles and whoring on concord kills 
No matter what anyone says James is creating content for others, some consider it annoying, some consider it their duty to gank us, it's all good and it's all content.
I am also a rockhound and I relish the opportunity to annoy the hell out of other miners, because it's fun and while they're losing cycles, I'm making iskies from the ice market. |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.10.24 15:01:00 -
[237] - Quote
Part of me wishes that all miners everywhere would simply stop mining and unsub. After which, prices on well, everything would sky rocket. No one could afford anything. The economy would become chaotic.
I really REALLY want this to happen just so you anti-miners see that you are indeed the cancer killing eve. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1946
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Posted - 2012.10.24 15:14:00 -
[238] - Quote
Tali Ambraelle wrote:Part of me wishes that all miners everywhere would simply stop mining and unsub. After which, prices on well, everything would sky rocket. No one could afford anything. The economy would become chaotic.
I really REALLY want this to happen just so you anti-miners see that you are indeed the cancer killing eve. Of course nobody would start making mining alts, because there isnt more money to be made by rising prices.
You still fail to understand how people work.
Even if suddenly all carebear miners left, there would be more non-carebear miners showing up, because there finally is actual money to be made. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1957
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Posted - 2012.10.24 15:19:00 -
[239] - Quote
Selinate wrote:I don't think I've ever seen someone so successfully troll these forums single handed before... Especially since all of his posts are extremely mild from what I've seen so far.
What on earth did he do to make your butts hurt so badly? Actually his words historically aren't so mild. They are more "lengthy" and rub a large number of people the wrong way.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=450957 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626
He is now acting on those, bumping miners and extorting money from them, all the whole maintaining an apparently infuriating RP as the "savior of hisec" (you can't really break it either, because it's not RP in the "I put on my wizard hat" sense; it's all real action).
Also check out http://www.minerbumping.com . Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1946
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Posted - 2012.10.24 15:35:00 -
[240] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Selinate wrote:I don't think I've ever seen someone so successfully troll these forums single handed before... Especially since all of his posts are extremely mild from what I've seen so far.
What on earth did he do to make your butts hurt so badly? Actually his words historically aren't so mild. They are more "lengthy" and rub a large number of people the wrong way. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=450957https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626He is now acting on those, bumping miners and extorting money from them, all the whole maintaining an apparently infuriating RP as the "savior of hisec" (you can't really break it either, because it's not RP in the "I put on my wizard hat" sense; it's all real action). Also check out http://www.minerbumping.com . Didnt you post this already? I start wondering what would happen if i started acting like that. I am not in favour of his marketing techniques, but its interesting.
My "fanbase" is much more silent ... (yes i have fans/supporters, quite a few lol) ... and although i actually appreciate that ... ... its still tempting to try it out.
With much less arrogance though... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.25 22:06:00 -
[241] - Quote
I repeat, oink. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1963
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:21:00 -
[242] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Selinate wrote:I don't think I've ever seen someone so successfully troll these forums single handed before... Especially since all of his posts are extremely mild from what I've seen so far.
What on earth did he do to make your butts hurt so badly? Actually his words historically aren't so mild. They are more "lengthy" and rub a large number of people the wrong way. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=450957https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626He is now acting on those, bumping miners and extorting money from them, all the whole maintaining an apparently infuriating RP as the "savior of hisec" (you can't really break it either, because it's not RP in the "I put on my wizard hat" sense; it's all real action). Also check out http://www.minerbumping.com . Didnt you post this already?
You are a rare person who actually reads threads. For others, repetition is necessary. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
629
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:56:00 -
[243] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:Dread Pirate Pete wrote:James 315 wrote:Dread Pirate Pete wrote:In every other instance of harassment there is something you can do about it, kill rights for ganks, flags for stealing your loot, etc. I don't know exactly what would be a good mechanic that wouldn't be used by gankers to lure noobs to flag themselves, but I'm sure some form of system can be dreamt up.So tell me bumpers, exact mechanics aside, do you think there should be flagging for what you do? And if no, does that not make you the very worst form of self hating carebears? I have already fully addressed that question. "There shouldn't be any way to stop me kthxbye" What is the cure for a flu shot? James 315 =/= a flu shot, so your sycophantic slobbering (and his post) are both wrong.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
273
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:36:00 -
[244] - Quote
Bumping... ... The thread... Kick Heim... MATE |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1963
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Posted - 2012.10.26 01:47:00 -
[245] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:What is the cure for a flu shot? James 315 =/= a flu shot, so your sycophantic slobbering (and his post) are both wrong.[/quote] He was suggesting James 315 is the flu, and a flu shot is paying the 10 mil ISK. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

DeadSea Youngblood
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 04:17:00 -
[246] - Quote
I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed? |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:01:00 -
[247] - Quote
DeadSea Youngblood wrote:I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed?
The New Order will be a subdivision of CONCORD, with CONCORD stations and the CONCORD LP store. Bumping miners will increase your security status, with an extra boost for bumping afk or botting miners. Missions will include bumping miners to a target location 30, 50, or 100 km away (depending on level). This is gonna be awesome! It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1736
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:04:00 -
[248] - Quote
Minerball, the premiere sport in New Eden, brought to you by the New Order.  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1955
|
Posted - 2012.10.26 10:14:00 -
[249] - Quote
DeadSea Youngblood wrote:I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed? lol way too obvious. At least try having a different style of writing ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Benilopax
Solar Storm Intrepid Crossing
369
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:49:00 -
[250] - Quote
Perhaps now is the time for collision damage as opposed to this weird bumping mechanic, now suicide ganking would be literally suicide ganking... ... |
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
275
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:01:00 -
[251] - Quote
If Carriers Carry... and battleships battle... then surely the best ship to bump miners would be a barge? Kick Heim... MATE |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1955
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:03:00 -
[252] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:If Carriers Carry... and battleships battle... then surely the best ship to bump miners would be a barge? Frigates frig ... and Cruisers cruise ...
AND SHUTTLES ! THEY SHUTTLE!
MIND BLOWN O_O Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
344
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:12:00 -
[253] - Quote
Frau Richter wrote:Since several devs have commented in the thread and said nothing related to the topic, we'll make this simple.
If you're a carebear and you don't like bumping, form up the largest group you can get together in plated, MWD battleships and report to Uedama and Niarja. Put up a can (or cans, the message is long) on each gate that says "there is now a 25million ISK toll for passing through this system. Failure to pay will result in perma bumping."
Bump everything that passes through that system until there is a complete meltdown of freight traffic in EVE. THEN see what CCP has to say. Bonus points if you do this on the Jita undock as well.
If it's legal, it's legal. Right? All you have to do is say the magic words that make it "profit-related" and then make CCP eat their words. The only way this situation is going to get handled is to break the system completely. It's that simple. They won't do anything until the absurdity and stupidity of it can no longer be denied.
Yeah cos they didn't promote goons ganking all that freight traffic in burn Jita or anything ......
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
35
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:57:00 -
[254] - Quote
I mostly support James 315. Maybe not with $$ or actions, but morally.... mostly. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |

DeadSea Youngblood
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:50:00 -
[255] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:DeadSea Youngblood wrote:I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed? lol way too obvious. At least try having a different style of writing ...
No, seriously, I am a newbie writing my first ever post on the eve-o forums. Totally legit.
I feel like Ccp should make a statement about where they stand. Either it's working as intended and miners need to adapt or Ccp wants to eventually correct it and they should let players know so both sides can argue about THAT instead of asking fo' a rules clarification. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
126
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:08:00 -
[256] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:War Kitten wrote: You're confusing killrights being sold with bounties being placed.
Going to be a common mistake, hilarity will ensue  People gonna die trying to kill his Stabber Fleet Issue. And that will be vastly amusing.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2012.10.28 12:11:00 -
[257] - Quote
DeadSea Youngblood wrote:I feel like Ccp should make a statement about where they stand. Either it's working as intended and miners need to adapt or Ccp wants to eventually correct it and they should let players know
Working as intended :)
It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Jane 315
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.28 14:51:00 -
[258] - Quote
This sounds like a great alternative way to make isk. Since there does not appear to be any regulation around the actual process, I believe I will be entering the free market of miner extortion as well. |

Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:26:00 -
[259] - Quote
What's that on the wind? Oh, it's the chuckles of the old vets recalling the days when they mined for a MONTH to afford a cruiser. And they loved those cruisers... |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
922
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:28:00 -
[260] - Quote
DeadSea Youngblood wrote:Solstice Project wrote:DeadSea Youngblood wrote:I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed? lol way too obvious. At least try having a different style of writing ... No, seriously, I am a newbie writing my first ever post on the eve-o forums. Totally legit. I feel like Ccp should make a statement about where they stand. Either it's working as intended and miners need to adapt or Ccp wants to eventually correct it and they should let players know so both sides can argue about THAT instead of asking fo' a rules clarification.
Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1641
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:50:00 -
[261] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:DeadSea Youngblood wrote:No, seriously, I am a newbie writing my first ever post on the eve-o forums. Totally legit.
I feel like Ccp should make a statement about where they stand. Either it's working as intended and miners need to adapt or Ccp wants to eventually correct it and they should let players know so both sides can argue about THAT instead of asking fo' a rules clarification. Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this. But but that goes against what the miners said about the bumpers all being exploiting griefing bastards.
And weren't they saying James 315 got banned? Hahahahahaha Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:52:00 -
[262] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:DeadSea Youngblood wrote:Solstice Project wrote:DeadSea Youngblood wrote:I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed? lol way too obvious. At least try having a different style of writing ... No, seriously, I am a newbie writing my first ever post on the eve-o forums. Totally legit. I feel like Ccp should make a statement about where they stand. Either it's working as intended and miners need to adapt or Ccp wants to eventually correct it and they should let players know so both sides can argue about THAT instead of asking fo' a rules clarification. Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this.
But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1642
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:58:00 -
[263] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this. But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process. That's ...
it's better when they petition and get advice from the GM to orbit the rock. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
925
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Posted - 2012.10.28 22:22:00 -
[264] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this. But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process. That's ... it's better when they petition and get advice from the GM to orbit the rock.
I've always loved how hilariously wrong GM advice is. It's almost like they don't even play the game. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Onyxius Leone DeSilva
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.28 22:47:00 -
[265] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden. His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back. He's running an extortion business pure and simple.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1644
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Posted - 2012.10.28 22:47:00 -
[266] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this. But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process. That's ... it's better when they petition and get advice from the GM to orbit the rock. I've always loved how hilariously wrong GM advice is. It's almost like they don't even play the game. Well I think newbie bumpers might miss the bump.
Still, nothing better than getting advice, trying it out and realizing the bumper has got you where they want you. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
925
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Posted - 2012.10.28 22:57:00 -
[267] - Quote
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:Riot Girl wrote:[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden. His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back. He's running an extortion business pure and simple.
Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to. Now I'll leave the definition of Miner Bumping to James but for the sake of your argument, what exactly is wrong with running an extortion business in EVE? Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Beachura
Templar Corps Rogue Trader Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.10.28 23:01:00 -
[268] - Quote
Oh shut up, you childish self important little brat.
Nobody cares, and CCP do not need to clarify anything for your importance or you're excuse for a corporation that does absolutely zero to the benefit of eve online, or anyone within it. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1644
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Posted - 2012.10.28 23:32:00 -
[269] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:Riot Girl wrote:[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden. His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back. He's running an extortion business pure and simple. Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to. Now I'll leave the definition of Miner Bumping to James but for the sake of your argument, what exactly is wrong with running an extortion business in EVE? Indeed, it's like you've never heard of giev misl or bump.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2196
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Posted - 2012.10.28 23:48:00 -
[270] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:BoSau Hotim wrote:What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic? Harass players because they don't play like you want, seems to me it's something against the rules. The form you choose to harass someone is your own interpretation of what you can or not do, and only CCP can say if at some point this bumping stupidity followed often by requests of isk is a valid game play or bulling/harassing other players. Seems someone shot his own foot, once again, and haven't realised yet there will be consequences at some point. Bumper tears incoming??? -juicy Moar threads "high sec safer yadda ya"? -great, this is awesome and entertaining.
You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play.
This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you." This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1644
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Posted - 2012.10.28 23:54:00 -
[271] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play.
This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you." Their playstyle includes screwing with the GMs by petitioning people that bump them. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
929
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Posted - 2012.10.28 23:54:00 -
[272] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:BoSau Hotim wrote:What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic? Harass players because they don't play like you want, seems to me it's something against the rules. The form you choose to harass someone is your own interpretation of what you can or not do, and only CCP can say if at some point this bumping stupidity followed often by requests of isk is a valid game play or bulling/harassing other players. Seems someone shot his own foot, once again, and haven't realised yet there will be consequences at some point. Bumper tears incoming??? -juicy Moar threads "high sec safer yadda ya"? -great, this is awesome and entertaining. You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play. This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you."
It would appear that my 'Free Ruby' campaign was a great success. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2196
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Posted - 2012.10.28 23:58:00 -
[273] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:It would appear that my 'Free Ruby' campaign was a great success.
When did you start giving out free booze? Why didn't I get any? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. |

Onyxius Leone DeSilva
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:20:00 -
[274] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:solution to bumping inbalances
realistic collision modeling
halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even! Erm...nobody would ever be able to dock or undock without blowing up? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1897
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:22:00 -
[275] - Quote
WB Ruby  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1644
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:30:00 -
[276] - Quote
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:Aramatheia wrote:solution to bumping inbalances
realistic collision modeling
halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even! Erm...nobody would ever be able to dock or undock without blowing up? Yeah. Massive battleship rams into a cruiser-sized mining vessel.
Cruiser sized mining vessel explodes/dies. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Onyxius Leone DeSilva
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:34:00 -
[277] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote: Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.
Last time I looked, barges and exhumers had no weapons, hence they CANNOT fight back. If their drones attack the bumper, they get Concordokkened.
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
24
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:48:00 -
[278] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:Riot Girl wrote:[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden. His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back. He's running an extortion business pure and simple. Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to. Now I'll leave the definition of Miner Bumping to James but for the sake of your argument, what exactly is wrong with running an extortion business in EVE? Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line. It is just what you call it. Also miners can only fight against a minority, remember most of these bumpers jump to npc corp. And until a majority are in THE NEW ORDER INC. it can not be said that miners can fight back. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
931
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:57:00 -
[279] - Quote
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.
Last time I looked, barges and exhumers had no weapons, hence they CANNOT fight back. Hell. they can't even warp away if they're bumped out of alignment, so they can't escape the bumpers either. If their drones attack the bumper, they get Concordokkened.
Drones are a weapon. I would also expect that bearing the brunt of suicide ganks since forever, that miners would be quite competent at suicide ganking by now. They choose not to be. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
931
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:59:00 -
[280] - Quote
NEONOVUS wrote: Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line.
Bumping is not griefing or harassment within EVE. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
90
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:01:00 -
[281] - Quote
NEONOVUS wrote: Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line. It is just what you call it. Also miners can only fight against a minority, remember most of these bumpers jump to npc corp. And until a majority are in THE NEW ORDER INC. it can not be said that miners can fight back.
Haha wow, miners can't fight back until all the bumpers are in a single corp? Now I've seen everything.
Seriously dude the fact you can't think of anything else is why you fail. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1897
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:10:00 -
[282] - Quote
NEONOVUS, I would check your facts before you spew crap like that, I know of one maybe two that are in NPC corps, the rest are in player corps and judging by the corps that they're members of, I would guess that they'd love you to shoot at them. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
180
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:10:00 -
[283] - Quote
Holy **** is this post even for real? or have i smoking the wrong stuff agan .... |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2199
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:25:00 -
[284] - Quote
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.
Last time I looked, barges and exhumers had no weapons, hence they CANNOT fight back. Hell. they can't even warp away if they're bumped out of alignment, so they can't escape the bumpers either. If their drones attack the bumper, they get Concordokkened.
Last time I looked, nobody forced you to use a mining barge.
Even if they had...
Nobody forced you to mine sitting still rather than being aligned away (ready to warp as soon as a bump/gank ship approached).
Even if they had...
Nobody's stopped you from logging off for a moment and using the ewarp to help you get away from the bumper.
Even if they had...
Nobody's stopped you from having friends scram/web the bumper in cheap ships to allow you to escape.
Even if they had... (i.e. complaints about CONCORD)
Nobody's forcing you to play in areas where aggressing someone comes with an immediate cost.
Stop pretending there's any reason aside from your choices that you're "helpless" to stop people bothering you. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2199
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:30:00 -
[285] - Quote
NEONOVUS wrote: Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line. It is just what you call it. Also miners can only fight against a minority, remember most of these bumpers jump to npc corp. And until a majority are in THE NEW ORDER INC. it can not be said that miners can fight back.
Extortion is perfectly legal in EVE:Online. So is Scamming, Theft, Piracy, Lieing, Spying, Assassination, and so on.
You can fight against every single bumper.
2 Ships. Vigil + MWD + Scram + Webs Stabber + MWD + Whatever
Scram/Web the bumper, Bump them away.
Or, Scram/Web the bumper, Shoot them in the face with Catalysts or Tornadoes.
You just can't fight against them via wardecs (if you'd like wardecs fixed so you can dec them, I'm sure they'll help you push CCP to fix corp hopping and the use of NPC corps to escape wardecs ). This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1645
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:46:00 -
[286] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:You just can't fight against them via wardecs (if you'd like wardecs fixed so you can dec them, I'm sure they'll help you push CCP to fix corp hopping and the use of NPC corps to escape wardecs  ). Yes, yes.. this would be hilarious. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
19
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Posted - 2012.10.29 05:14:00 -
[287] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Extortion is perfectly legal in EVE:Online. So is Scamming, Theft, Piracy, Lieing, Spying, Assassination, and so on. You can fight against every single bumper. 2 Ships. Vigil + MWD + Scram + Webs Stabber + MWD + Whatever Scram/Web the bumper, Bump them away. Or, Scram/Web the bumper, Shoot them in the face with Catalysts or Tornadoes. You just can't fight against them via wardecs (if you'd like wardecs fixed so you can dec them, I'm sure they'll help you push CCP to fix corp hopping and the use of NPC corps to escape wardecs  ).
I'm pretty sure the Scram/Web/Shooting gets you concordokkened. And happens to result in the bumper winning at the same time, since they will get kill rights on you come Retribution, to activate at their leisure to then kill your Hulk/Mack/Skiff with no Concordokken happening to protect you. And also means you have stopped mining to go and get another ship to bump them with. All of which means Bumpers win.
There is no way for a miner to win against the Bumping tactic.
So my advice to miners. HTFU. Take the bumping. Use Orbit to drag you back into range of your roids when possible. Use a prop mod & pulse it on a Exhumer (Barges lack the slots), Warp to a safe, then to the other side of the belt. Warp to a different belt. But DO NOT pay the bumpers. Paying the bumpers simply encourages them. Even if you technically 'loose' money by not paying, it only makes sure they will keep going if you do pay. Unless you are totally afk, it's not going to ruin your day, it's only going to cost you a few minutes of mining, and if they keep singling you out in the middle of a crowd of 200 miners for hours/days, then complain about directed harrassment. Till they spend days just bumping you and not even letting you warp out/back to station, it's just a business scam they are trying to run. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2205
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:22:00 -
[288] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:I'm pretty sure the Scram/Web/Shooting gets you concordokkened. And happens to result in the bumper winning at the same time, since they will get kill rights on you come Retribution, to activate at their leisure to then kill your Hulk/Mack/Skiff with no Concordokken happening to protect you. And also means you have stopped mining to go and get another ship to bump them with. All of which means Bumpers win.
It takes all of 5 minutes to train an alt to fly a vigil with a scram and web. Where did I say you used your mining character to scarm/web? (Pro-Tip, if you've already warped away to reship, you don't need to scram/web the bumper to escape cause you have already escaped.)
Yes, the Retribution Killright system is idiotic. No new news there. Glad you noticed.
Quote:There is no way for a miner to win against the Bumping tactic.
So my advice to miners. HTFU. Take the bumping. Use Orbit to drag you back into range of your roids when possible. Use a prop mod & pulse it on a Exhumer (Barges lack the slots), Warp to a safe, then to the other side of the belt. Warp to a different belt. But DO NOT pay the bumpers. Paying the bumpers simply encourages them. Even if you technically 'loose' money by not paying, it only makes sure they will keep going if you do pay. Unless you are totally afk, it's not going to ruin your day, it's only going to cost you a few minutes of mining, and if they keep singling you out in the middle of a crowd of 200 miners for hours/days, then complain about directed harrassment. Till they spend days just bumping you and not even letting you warp out/back to station, it's just a business scam they are trying to run.
Except for mining aligned, moving to somewhere without immediate costs to aggression, having alts disrupt the bumping operation, etc. etc.
Bumping is the emergent counter to the massive EHP buff you got a few months ago which caused Suicide Ganking untanked, AFK mining ships to become unprofitable. Before that, you could tank your ship and largely avoid being bothered. Now, you can't because the only sustainable way to bother you is through bumping.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Griefing
Quote:Bump griefing
Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.
Don't instruct people to petition other players for legitimate gameplay. It puts you on the wrong side of the TOS. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1918
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:25:00 -
[289] - Quote
That's what we like to see, a seasoned player correcting misconceptions and offering sound advice 07 Ruby Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 13:47:00 -
[290] - Quote
I would like a little ratification on directed Harassment.
Does that include singling out a player by threatening the corp he is in with wardecs till he is kicked every single time he joins a corp or spreading false rumors on the web to get him blacklisted by half of the game community and otherwise making his gaming time on EVE a nightmare? |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
218
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Posted - 2012.11.04 14:15:00 -
[291] - Quote
We keep telling them it's legitimate gameplay, CCP keeps telling them, but they don't listen. There's not a lot you can do.
One idea, however, could be a tutorial mission in which an NPC "griefs" the player by interfering with their mission and making it impossible to "complete" it. Upon returning to Aura, she'll be unimpressed and will refuse mission reward and standings bonus, but will let the player continue with the chain anyway. She'll also say "but this is the last time I let something like this slide. And don't expect other agents to be as kind as I." That would be pretty cool actually, come to think of it. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
387
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Posted - 2012.11.04 14:16:00 -
[292] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:I would like a little ratification on directed Harassment.
Does that include singling out a player by threatening the corp he is in with wardecs till he is kicked every single time he joins a corp or spreading false rumors on the web to get him blacklisted by half of the game community and otherwise making his gaming time on EVE a nightmare? I doubt your appearance on minerbumping.com has you blacklisted by half the game community. I think you know this is a question better asked of a game master, and I think your question implies the New Order (though not mentioned specifically) has been involved in your being kicked out of more corps than you have - one.
Please don't speak such unfair and vile insinuations of such a perfectly legitimate and charitable institution as the New Order of Highsec. |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 14:26:00 -
[293] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:I would like a little ratification on directed Harassment.
Does that include singling out a player by threatening the corp he is in with wardecs till he is kicked every single time he joins a corp or spreading false rumors on the web to get him blacklisted by half of the game community and otherwise making his gaming time on EVE a nightmare? I doubt your appearance on minerbumping.com has you blacklisted by half the game community. I think you know this is a question better asked of a game master, and I think your question implies the New Order (though not mentioned specifically) has been involved in your being kicked out of more corps than you have - one. Please don't speak such unfair and vile insinuations of such a perfectly legitimate and charitable institution as the New Order of Highsec.
Then why is every corp I apply telling me to go for one of two reasons
Number 1: They don;t want to get on your bosses bad side
Number 2: They don;t want a 'Scumbag Corp Thief in their corp'
I have at least three evemails over the last week telling me to quit eve 'for my own good'
Oh...and go away please, benny...I;m not talking to the New order...I;m talking to people who actually play the game and know the definition of 'directed harassment' |

Moe Doobie
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 14:39:00 -
[294] - Quote
I'd like to know CCPs position on this James 315 guy constantly making forum alts to clutter up the forums with threads to cry for attention to his "cause".
Seriously. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
387
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 15:14:00 -
[295] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:I;m not talking to the New order...I;m talking to people who actually play the game and know the definition of 'directed harassment' You are posting in a thread begun by an esteemed Agent of the New Order of Highsec, some of the most experienced and avid players of EVE Online, paragons of knowledge and virtue. Not a truth they do not comprehend, never a deceit pass their lips.
Nevertheless this thread is about encouraging CCP to more fully recognise the achievements and emergent gameplay the New Order is providing, and is not an entirely suitable place to ask your question as it is a bit off-topic and unlikely to be seen. Perhaps you should start your own thread? |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 15:20:00 -
[296] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:I;m not talking to the New order...I;m talking to people who actually play the game and know the definition of 'directed harassment' You are posting in a thread begun by an esteemed Agent of the New Order of Highsec, some of the most experienced and avid players of EVE Online, paragons of knowledge and virtue. Not a truth they do not comprehend, never a deceit pass their lips. Nevertheless this thread is about encouraging CCP to more fully recognise the achievements and emergent gameplay the New Order is providing, and is not an entirely suitable place to ask your question as it is a bit off-topic and unlikely to be seen. Perhaps you should start your own thread?
I just want the harassment to end so I can join a corp without the worry that said corp will be attacked. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
387
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 15:26:00 -
[297] - Quote
My name is Benny. Not James.  |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 15:52:00 -
[298] - Quote
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back. He's running an extortion business pure and simple. Ransoming a players ship is a form of 'extortion' and is also a time honored and 'valid' play style. Damn... Sometimes after the player pays the ransom their ship still gets blown up. Also 'valid'. Double damn... |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3078
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 15:53:00 -
[299] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:Then why is every corp I apply telling me to go for one of two reasons
Number 1: They don;t want to get on your bosses bad side
Number 2: They don;t want a 'Scumbag Corp Thief in their corp'
I have at least three evemails over the last week telling me to quit eve 'for my own good'
Oh...and go away please, benny...I;m not talking to the New order...I;m talking to people who actually play the game and know the definition of 'directed harassment' Capt Lynch, cool your jets.
No one is telling you to quit EVE. If they do, forward me the EVEmail so I can deal with them. Otherwise I must assume you are going back to your old tricks and conducting an "experiment" with the truth. No more lies, please.
As I said before, you are always welcome to join the New Order and become a miner-bumper if you cannot find a corporation that suits you. Right now it seems we're the best friends you've got left in this game. Don't burn any more bridges.
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Jimmy 426
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 16:02:00 -
[300] - Quote
It's 'rock' blocking, mates! Today your ore, tomorrow your *****. Resist, resist! |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
885
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 16:10:00 -
[301] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Extortion is perfectly legal in EVE:Online. So is Scamming, Theft, Piracy, Lieing, Spying, Assassination, and so on. You can fight against every single bumper. 2 Ships. Vigil + MWD + Scram + Webs Stabber + MWD + Whatever Scram/Web the bumper, Bump them away. Or, Scram/Web the bumper, Shoot them in the face with Catalysts or Tornadoes. You just can't fight against them via wardecs (if you'd like wardecs fixed so you can dec them, I'm sure they'll help you push CCP to fix corp hopping and the use of NPC corps to escape wardecs  ). I'm pretty sure the Scram/Web/Shooting gets you concordokkened. And happens to result in the bumper winning at the same time, since they will get kill rights on you come Retribution, to activate at their leisure to then kill your Hulk/Mack/Skiff with no Concordokken happening to protect you. And also means you have stopped mining to go and get another ship to bump them with. All of which means Bumpers win. There is no way for a miner to win against the Bumping tactic. So my advice to miners. HTFU. Take the bumping. Use Orbit to drag you back into range of your roids when possible. Use a prop mod & pulse it on a Exhumer (Barges lack the slots), Warp to a safe, then to the other side of the belt. Warp to a different belt. But DO NOT pay the bumpers. Paying the bumpers simply encourages them. Even if you technically 'loose' money by not paying, it only makes sure they will keep going if you do pay. Unless you are totally afk, it's not going to ruin your day, it's only going to cost you a few minutes of mining, and if they keep singling you out in the middle of a crowd of 200 miners for hours/days, then complain about directed harrassment. Till they spend days just bumping you and not even letting you warp out/back to station, it's just a business scam they are trying to run.
After 4th December just but a nice bounty on their head so they get gank as much as possible with NPC corp toons.
Ho wait... brb |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:10:00 -
[302] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Then why is every corp I apply telling me to go for one of two reasons
Number 1: They don;t want to get on your bosses bad side
Number 2: They don;t want a 'Scumbag Corp Thief in their corp'
I have at least three evemails over the last week telling me to quit eve 'for my own good'
Oh...and go away please, benny...I;m not talking to the New order...I;m talking to people who actually play the game and know the definition of 'directed harassment' Capt Lynch, cool your jets. No one is telling you to quit EVE. If they do, forward me the EVEmail so I can deal with them. Otherwise I must assume you are going back to your old tricks and conducting an "experiment" with the truth. No more lies, please. As I said before, you are always welcome to join the New Order and become a miner-bumper if you cannot find a corporation that suits you. Right now it seems we're the best friends you've got left in this game. Don't burn any more bridges.
Please don't pretend we're buddies. I don;t like you and probably never will.
The most you will get is respect for coming up with a novel idea to get rid of Bots and AFK miners while getting ISK at the same time. As for not getting into a corp...There are plenty of corps that suit me out there...they're just scared of your agents.
I apologised...I paid your fine...and I offered to take your 'pledge'...In return you continue a blog that only serves to make your agents want to attack and harass me even more. You claim to be honourable...PROVE IT! |

Weiland Taur
Taur Industries Rebel Alliance of New Eden
104
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:12:00 -
[303] - Quote
Why is this thread 16 pages long?!
Extortion is not new. Bumping is not new. Long winded threads are not new. Nothing besides James315's (alts) fun way with words and peppy roleplaying is new here. Why is it 16 pages long?
I'm so confused.
P.S.
Are you considering franchising this idea, James315?
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Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 18:14:00 -
[304] - Quote
Confirming that all Agents in the New Order are James 315 alts. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1953
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 18:37:00 -
[305] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote: Bumping is the emergent counter to the massive EHP buff you got a few months ago which caused Suicide Ganking untanked, AFK mining ships to become unprofitable. Before that, you could tank your ship and largely avoid being bothered. Now, you can't because the only sustainable way to bother you is through bumping.
It's odd, I see bad tanked macks and hulks still being ganked in my system. Expecially hulks.
What changed is that before the buff, a ganker could faceroll on any mining ship at a belt and 80% would die because they were not using one of those "so turtle that it becomes useless at anything but bait" fittings.
Now they have to actually bother and scan the ships, this weeds off 90% of the gankers. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3078
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 20:05:00 -
[306] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:Please don't pretend we're buddies. I don;t like you and probably never will. See, when you say things like that, it makes my Agents not want to help you.
You can run plenty of missions in lowsec and nullsec. But if you want to live in highsec, you're going to need to make friends, especially with the people who run highsec--namely me and my Agents. It's no different than if you wanted to live in northern nullsec, where you would need to befriend the Goons, or southern nullsec, where you would need to befriend TEST.
If your choice is to run missions in highsec, respect and obey the New Order. Fair enough?
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2012.11.04 20:58:00 -
[307] - Quote
I refuse to believe anyone actually falls for this crap. 
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Generals4
1554
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Posted - 2012.11.04 21:03:00 -
[308] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Please don't pretend we're buddies. I don;t like you and probably never will. See, when you say things like that, it makes my Agents not want to help you. You can run plenty of missions in lowsec and nullsec. But if you want to live in highsec, you're going to need to make friends, especially with the people who run highsec--namely me and my Agents. It's no different than if you wanted to live in northern nullsec, where you would need to befriend the Goons, or southern nullsec, where you would need to befriend TEST. If your choice is to run missions in highsec, respect and obey the New Order. Fair enough?
Someone has an inflated ego. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
89
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 21:05:00 -
[309] - Quote
Tears til Drone Region changes go through meaning less mineral output from that area... then cheers whilst hi-sec miners get bumped about?
So far the output of minerals is the only thing being discussed. /yawn
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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.11.04 21:49:00 -
[310] - Quote
Moe Doobie wrote:
I'd like to know CCPs position on this James 315 guy constantly making forum alts to clutter up the forums with threads to cry for attention to his "cause".
Seriously.
I'm sure, in their omniscience, if they really wanted to CCP could see that this is my main character, and I'm not James.
Oink-denialism. |
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Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 22:24:00 -
[311] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote: None the less, it does a great disservice to the miners, sustaining their hope that James and us agents are one bump away from the ban-hammer. The sooner they realize that CCP is not coming to save them, the sooner they can accept our presence and move on, adapt, or who knows, maybe even embrace The New Order. So please bare in mind that I ask this not for myself or James, or The New Order, but for the poor miners who stagnate in their perpetual wait for Superman. That would just be plain out-an-out cruel Galaxy! Everybody, even miners, is entitled to hope. It gives them a reason to mine, to play Eve, very possibly even to get out of bed in the morning. That hope fuels their tears of ( Emo ) rage, disbelief and helplessness. You destroy that hope - you destroy miners. You destroy the miners - you destroy the flow of the tears. You destroy the flow - you destroy the laughter.
Think of the tears Galaxy ... think of the tears...
Galaxy Pig wrote: Who among you Devs, GMs, and ISDs will dare come out of the closet as fans of The New Order? Supporters??Members?!?! :D ... or at least just post the numbers from an informal poll around the office on 'For', 'Against' and possibly 'LOLworthy' ... |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.04 23:40:00 -
[312] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Please don't pretend we're buddies. I don;t like you and probably never will. See, when you say things like that, it makes my Agents not want to help you. You can run plenty of missions in lowsec and nullsec. But if you want to live in highsec, you're going to need to make friends, especially with the people who run highsec--namely me and my Agents. It's no different than if you wanted to live in northern nullsec, where you would need to befriend the Goons, or southern nullsec, where you would need to befriend TEST. If your choice is to run missions in highsec, respect and obey the New Order. Fair enough?
They aren't helping me anyway so where is the difference? Nobody runs highsec last time I checked unless you suddenly purchased CCP while I wasn't looking.
Your agents have given me nothing but grief so I have given up trying to make amends as they have shown they will accept no apology.
As for you...when I paid your fine so you wouldn't attack ACE...you decided after I left that it didn't apply to your agents and the griefing continued. I've spoken to two of your agents and even they think you're going too far with this insanity.
Your excuse that people can play EVE how they want works both ways and last I checked...words are just words and cannot hurt anyone unless you're psychotically unstable, James.
I have friends in Highsec but you're not one of them, you egotistical, neurotic borderline dictator.
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
25
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:51:00 -
[313] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote: As for you...when I paid your fine so you wouldn't attack ACE...you decided after I left that it didn't apply to your agents and the griefing continued. I've spoken to two of your agents and even they think you're going too far with this insanity.
Your excuse that people can play EVE how they want works both ways and last I checked...words are just words and cannot hurt anyone unless you're psychotically unstable, James.
So, his words are just words and can't hurt anyone...so he can say anything he wants, everything is ok, and it's impossible for him to go too far with this, since all he's doing is using words.
And...he's going way too far with this???
Does not compute. Unless you're making the above admission. |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 00:11:00 -
[314] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:Nobody runs highsec last time I checked unless you suddenly purchased CCP while I wasn't looking. And last I heard - nothing is stopping anyone from running HS either. Nothing that I've heard of stops anyone from plopping a sign on their desk that says 'New Order of Highsec' and gives them the title of 'Savior in Chief'. Nothing stops anyone else from walking in and breaking his sign either. CCP allows, and I believe even encourages, that sort of thing. Minimal rules. Sandbox. This one I think they call 'Emergent Gameplay'. Part of it you are...
... you even have a speaking part and maybe you'll get listed in the credits at the end of the show. Better than just being some window licker watching from the outside wouldn't you say ...
Capt Lynch wrote:...you egotistical, neurotic borderline dictator. The best ones are. It's part of the job requirements. Egotistical Dictator 101. 3 credit hrs. |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 00:46:00 -
[315] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Nobody runs highsec last time I checked unless you suddenly purchased CCP while I wasn't looking. And last I heard - nothing is stopping anyone from running HS either. Nothing that I've heard of stops anyone from plopping a sign on their desk that says ' New Order of Highsec' and gives them the title of ' Savior in Chief'. Nothing stops anyone else from walking in and breaking his sign either. CCP allows, and I believe even encourages, that sort of thing. Minimal rules. Sandbox. This one I think they call ' Emergent Gameplay'. Part of it you are... ... you even have a speaking part and maybe you'll get listed in the credits at the end of the show. Better than just being some window licker watching from the outside wouldn't you say ...  Capt Lynch wrote:...you egotistical, neurotic borderline dictator. The best ones are. It's part of the job requirements. Egotistical Dictator 101. 3 credit hrs.
Agreed...but he doesn't have to be such a smug ******* about it.
Natasha Liao wrote:The best ones are. It's part of the job requirements. Egotistical Dictator 101. 3 credit hrs.
Good point... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 00:46:00 -
[316] - Quote
James 315 wrote:It's no different than if you wanted to live in northern nullsec, where you would need to befriend the Goons, or southern nullsec, where you would need to befriend TEST. If only you could reset his standings and then set a whole coalition on him, eh? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 00:54:00 -
[317] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:Agreed...but he doesn't have to be such a smug ******* about it.. You call it ... whatever the forum filters felt was not to be seen, but surely not flattering - we call it part of his rogueish, benevolent charm. It's a matter of perspective I suppose.
And about that credited part in Emergent Gameplay: best not google your name...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 01:04:00 -
[318] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Agreed...but he doesn't have to be such a smug ******* about it.. You call it ... whatever the forum filters felt was not to be seen, but surely not flattering - we call it part of his rogueish, benevolent charm. It's a matter of perspective I suppose. And about that credited part in Emergent Gameplay: best not google your name... Ah, Minerbumping.com, a very satisfying website, in its simplicity. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3080
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 01:22:00 -
[319] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:I have friends in Highsec but you're not one of them, you egotistical, neurotic borderline dictator. In that case, you should have no difficulty joining a corp, along with one of your friends. After all, I have offered you a place in the New Order, and I'm not your friend. Surely these "true" friends of yours will look out for you better than I have. 
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range. |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 05:47:00 -
[320] - Quote
An engrossing narrative of epic proportions! I laughed. I cried. Actually I laughed so damn hard I was crying... |
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Andemnon Kohort
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
53
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 07:17:00 -
[321] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:An engrossing narrative of epic proportions! I laughed. I cried. Actually I laughed so damn hard I was crying...
You are not alone, laughing at James is something i do a lot 
i thought the bit where he supposedly controls highsec was a blast..  |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
52
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 07:54:00 -
[322] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:And last I heard - nothing is stopping anyone from running HS either.
Nothing, apart from the simple reality of the situation...although people can claim what they like 
I passed through a system the other day, had a lovely warning can and everything. And about fifty+ miners, seriously, my overview was worse than Jita. It was so busy the miners were nearly bumping each other.
Given the proliferation of miners and the, frankly epic, pontificating on the forums I am leaning towards this being a fantastic donation scam.
Well played....well played. |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 12:58:00 -
[323] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Natasha Liao wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Agreed...but he doesn't have to be such a smug ******* about it.. You call it ... whatever the forum filters felt was not to be seen, but surely not flattering - we call it part of his rogueish, benevolent charm. It's a matter of perspective I suppose. And about that credited part in Emergent Gameplay: best not google your name... Ah, Minerbumping.com, a very satisfying website, in its simplicity.
Ah yes...a simple site run by a simple idiot
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2023
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 13:02:00 -
[324] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Natasha Liao wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Agreed...but he doesn't have to be such a smug ******* about it.. You call it ... whatever the forum filters felt was not to be seen, but surely not flattering - we call it part of his rogueish, benevolent charm. It's a matter of perspective I suppose. And about that credited part in Emergent Gameplay: best not google your name... Ah, Minerbumping.com, a very satisfying website, in its simplicity. Ah yes...a simple site run by a simple idiot Why don't you put your personal issues aside and think for a minute.
How can a man be an idiot, when he actually makes all of this happen ? It's a game. He plays the way he can and is allowed to play.
What do you do, that's actually comparable ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:06:00 -
[325] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Natasha Liao wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Agreed...but he doesn't have to be such a smug ******* about it.. You call it ... whatever the forum filters felt was not to be seen, but surely not flattering - we call it part of his rogueish, benevolent charm. It's a matter of perspective I suppose. And about that credited part in Emergent Gameplay: best not google your name... Ah, Minerbumping.com, a very satisfying website, in its simplicity. Ah yes...a simple site run by a simple idiot Why don't you put your personal issues aside and think for a minute. How can a man be an idiot, when he actually makes all of this happen ? It's a game. He plays the way he can and is allowed to play. What do you do, that's actually comparable ?
I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage. |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2023
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 13:09:00 -
[326] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage. That's not an answer to my question.
I asked, what you do that's COMPARABLE to what he does.
He obviously influences quite a few lives with what he does. Actively.
And you ? What kind of content do you create ?
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
52
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 13:11:00 -
[327] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:That's not an answer to my question.
I asked, what you do that's COMPARABLE to what he does.
He obviously influences quite a few lives with what he does. Actively.
And you ? What kind of content do you create ?
Entertainment I can view from my (clientless) work machine? 
More seriously the relationship between bumpers and miners is symbiotic. Take one away and the 'content' ceases to be. |

Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:11:00 -
[328] - Quote
"I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage."
Rebel against the authority that may suppress you. |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2023
|
Posted - 2012.11.05 13:14:00 -
[329] - Quote
Akiyo Mayaki wrote:"I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage."
Rebel against the authority that may suppress you. As if.
Lemmings die for their irrelevance. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:18:00 -
[330] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Akiyo Mayaki wrote:"I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage."
Rebel against the authority that may suppress you. As if. Lemmings die for their irrelevance.
I can only think of one other person with an ego as big as you sooooooo...Hi James...didn't think you were on this early. |
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
498
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:19:00 -
[331] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Akiyo Mayaki wrote:"I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage."
Rebel against the authority that may suppress you. As if. Lemmings die for their irrelevance.
And what exactly do you contribute that's all the world like content eve cannot survive without that gives you the credibility to say anything regarding this matter?
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
30
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:22:00 -
[332] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Akiyo Mayaki wrote:"I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage."
Rebel against the authority that may suppress you. As if. Lemmings die for their irrelevance. And what exactly do you contribute that's all the world like content eve cannot survive without that gives you the credibility to say anything regarding this matter?
I don't exactly know, but tons of people in this forum have been posting stuff like this lately: "Roime wrote: Hisec players top 3 10/2012
1. Chribba 2. James 315 3. Solstice Project
Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass? " Some kind of anti-afk emergent ganking project is all I remember.
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2023
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:27:00 -
[333] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Akiyo Mayaki wrote:"I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage."
Rebel against the authority that may suppress you. As if. Lemmings die for their irrelevance. I can only think of one other person with an ego as big as you sooooooo...Hi James...didn't think you were on this early. Of course ... everybody that doesn't share your opinion is an alt of james.
Anslo wrote:And what exactly do you contribute that's all the world like content eve cannot survive without that gives you the credibility to say anything regarding this matter? Ask the people of Hek, main and late EU TZ.
Vanyr Andrard wrote:I don't exactly know, but tons of people in this forum have been posting stuff like this lately: "Roime wrote: Hisec players top 3 10/2012
1. Chribba 2. James 315 3. Solstice Project
Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass? " Some kind of anti-afk emergent ganking project is all I remember. I still fail to understand why i'm only THIRD ... i should at least be second! xD Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
30
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:33:00 -
[334] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Anslo wrote:And what exactly do you contribute that's all the world like content eve cannot survive without that gives you the credibility to say anything regarding this matter? Ask the people of Hek, main and late EU TZ. Vanyr Andrard wrote:I don't exactly know, but tons of people in this forum have been posting stuff like this lately: "Roime wrote: Hisec players top 3 10/2012
1. Chribba 2. James 315 3. Solstice Project
Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass? " Some kind of anti-afk emergent ganking project is all I remember. I still fail to understand why i'm only THIRD ... i should at least be second! xD
It's alphabetical?
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2023
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:36:00 -
[335] - Quote
Vanyr Andrard wrote:It's alphabetical? That would sound more like an excuse from my side. I thought the alphabetical order was just a coincidence. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
551
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:37:00 -
[336] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage. That's not an answer to my question. I asked, what you do that's COMPARABLE to what he does. He obviously influences quite a few lives with what he does. Actively. And you ? What kind of content do you create ?
No he annoys them, anyone can annoy............. being a d*ck isn't creating content.....
Tal
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Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:43:00 -
[337] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage. That's not an answer to my question. I asked, what you do that's COMPARABLE to what he does. He obviously influences quite a few lives with what he does. Actively. And you ? What kind of content do you create ? No he annoys them, anyone can annoy............. being a d*ck isn't creating content..... Tal
Well said, Talon. |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2024
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:51:00 -
[338] - Quote
Actually, it is.
Just need to look at this thread. Lots of content.
Just look at the people he's annoying. He changes the way they play, he forces them to react, which means they are getting pushed from the usual train of actions ... hence it's content.
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't change it. Your opinion is irrelevant.
It's still content and you prove it by interacting with him, directly or indirectly. His actions influence your actions. Wouldn't he do this, you wouldn't interact with him.
If you're unable to push your personal bias aside to see what's actually happening, that's all your problem. Your opinions still stay irrelevant.
Lemmings. We love you in this game, because you're victims. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Ghazu
260
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:56:00 -
[339] - Quote
And moral of the story is little piggie victims get ganked, the end. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
498
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:02:00 -
[340] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:
If you're unable to push your personal bias aside to see what's actually happening, that's all your problem. Your opinions still stay irrelevant..
And your opinion is relevant to us because?....
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
388
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:34:00 -
[341] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Solstice Project wrote:
If you're unable to push your personal bias aside to see what's actually happening, that's all your problem. Your opinions still stay irrelevant..
And your opinion is relevant to us because?.... Perhaps you should re-read his post. |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:58:00 -
[342] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Actually, it is.
Just need to look at this thread. Lots of content.
Just look at the people he's annoying. He changes the way they play, he forces them to react, which means they are getting pushed from the usual train of actions ... hence it's content.
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't change it. Your opinion is irrelevant.
It's still content and you prove it by interacting with him, directly or indirectly. His actions influence your actions. Wouldn't he do this, you wouldn't interact with him.
If you're unable to push your personal bias aside to see what's actually happening, that's all your problem. Your opinions still stay irrelevant.
Lemmings. We love you in this game, because you're victims. QFT.
Heaven forbid James would actually get you interacting with some of the other people playing this game. You're 'involved' and in some fashion 'engaged' - THE HORROR! That MONSTER!! Go to one of those ice systems he's claimed and compare the local chat to what it would usually be before he started. I read of people planning resistance movements, insurgent actions and 'fighting the man' on www.minerbumping.com. What did you miners do before James came along? Sit in an MMO moving a piece of ice every minute or so while tabing out to watch YouTube videos? You folks are playing Eve now. James is even adding a little value to your money spend... |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
52
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:11:00 -
[343] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:Go to one of those ice systems he's claimed and compare the local chat to what it would usually be before he started.
I did. Local read:
"x up for mining boost" "x" "x" "x"
Aaaand that was about that. Add a smattering of suicide ganking on mission boats and you're about there.
I still suspect it's a donation scam (and a corker at that). |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2027
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:23:00 -
[344] - Quote
Morrigan LeSante wrote:Natasha Liao wrote:Go to one of those ice systems he's claimed and compare the local chat to what it would usually be before he started. I did. Local read: "x up for mining boost" "x" "x" "x" Aaaand that was about that. Add a smattering of suicide ganking on mission boats and you're about there. I still suspect it's a donation scam (and a corker at that). That was about it, for the amount of time you've spent there, on that particular day. Mind you, i have no idea how he's operating, but this reminded me of Hek.
Some days i don't talk much, on others i create drama involving dozens. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
206
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:26:00 -
[345] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote: You folks are playing Eve now. James is even adding a little value to your money spend...
Sophistry ftw!

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Besoina
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:14:00 -
[346] - Quote
He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously. |

Capt Lynch
Penguin Brigade Imperial Hull Tankers
3
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:18:00 -
[347] - Quote
Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously.
HAHAHA...there is not enough win in the world for that comment.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
501
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:47:00 -
[348] - Quote
Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously.
Do you have chat logs or screen shots of that rambling? I'd love to see it 
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Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
57
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:07:00 -
[349] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StuFQisQKjo
This kind of thing is completely worth it :)
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Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. Ded End Conglomerates
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:44:00 -
[350] - Quote
Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously.
There is nothing we Agents love more than a miner who pokes his head up and says "LOOK AT ME!".
I'm back in town and will be in the Tolle Ice belt tonight. To quote a great man, "On my desk there is a sheet of paper."
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Besoina
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:34:00 -
[351] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously. There is nothing we Agents love more than a miner who pokes his head up and says "LOOK AT ME!". I'm back in town and will be in the Tolle Ice belt tonight. To quote a great man, "On my desk there is a sheet of paper."
Unfortuantely for you, I've moved down south into null, as I grew bored of ice mining. Your little experiment just shows how much of a kindergarden playground high sec really is. At least in null, the rats can pose a greater challenge to my mining then you ever could.
P.S. My order of Pizza just arrived, extra win. Nom nom nom |

Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. Ded End Conglomerates
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:41:00 -
[352] - Quote
Besoina wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously. There is nothing we Agents love more than a miner who pokes his head up and says "LOOK AT ME!". I'm back in town and will be in the Tolle Ice belt tonight. To quote a great man, "On my desk there is a sheet of paper." Unfortuantely for you, I've moved down south into null, as I grew bored of ice mining. Your little experiment just shows how much of a kindergarden playground high sec really is. At least in null, the rats can pose a greater challenge to my mining then you ever could. P.S. My order of Pizza just arrived, extra win. Nom nom nom
Sorry to have missed you. It seems to happen that way a lot. Miners suddenly find pressing business somewhere else...
It is a common occurance in the life of a belligerent undesirable....
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.11.06 09:46:00 -
[353] - Quote
Clystan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StuFQisQKjo
This kind of thing is completely worth it :)
Awesome! It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
551
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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:09:00 -
[354] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:Besoina wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously. There is nothing we Agents love more than a miner who pokes his head up and says "LOOK AT ME!". I'm back in town and will be in the Tolle Ice belt tonight. To quote a great man, "On my desk there is a sheet of paper." Unfortuantely for you, I've moved down south into null, as I grew bored of ice mining. Your little experiment just shows how much of a kindergarden playground high sec really is. At least in null, the rats can pose a greater challenge to my mining then you ever could. P.S. My order of Pizza just arrived, extra win. Nom nom nom Sorry to have missed you. It seems to happen that way a lot. Miners suddenly find pressing business somewhere else... It is a common occurance in the life of a belligerent undesirable....
Yeah funny that , miners not sticking around to be griefed under the thin veil of minerbumping.com. I bought some one into the game who really enjoyed bar all the greifing (and things like this is greifing ) and has now left, which is a shame really.
Tal
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:15:00 -
[355] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:(and things like this is greifing )
Is it? It seems CCP disagrees with you, because CCP has rejected petition after petition, not once agreeing with miners' claims that Miner Bumping is griefing. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
551
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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:23:00 -
[356] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:(and things like this is greifing ) Is it? It seems CCP disagrees with you, because CCP has rejected petition after petition, not once agreeing with miners' claims that Miner Bumping is griefing.
You keep telling yourself that ..... but at the end of the day its negative, doesn't bring anything to the game and has lost Eve (not the total reason but a contributing factor) another 3 subs..... Way to go you....
Tal |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:28:00 -
[357] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:You keep telling yourself that ..... but at the end of the day its negative, doesn't bring anything to the game
You have a double standard. What exactly does a solitary or afk ice miner bring to a MMORPG? If "contributing" is your Golden Standard, surely someone interacting with others contributes more than someone just sitting there next to a big icey rock? It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |

TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
483
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:04:00 -
[358] - Quote
Besoina wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously. There is nothing we Agents love more than a miner who pokes his head up and says "LOOK AT ME!". I'm back in town and will be in the Tolle Ice belt tonight. To quote a great man, "On my desk there is a sheet of paper." Unfortuantely for you, I've moved down south into null, as I grew bored of ice mining. Your little experiment just shows how much of a kindergarden playground high sec really is. At least in null, the rats can pose a greater challenge to my mining then you ever could. P.S. My order of Pizza just arrived, extra win. Nom nom nom
You've moved into null while in a noob corp? Or are you one of those scaredy cat doesn't post with his main lot? Don't want the shame of revealing yourself as a miner?
If you can't deal with the New Order in highsec I can't imagine how you'll fare with the deadly "afk cloakers" of null. Probably make some whine threads about them. |

TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
483
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:20:00 -
[359] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Yeah funny that , miners not sticking around to be griefed under the thin veil of minerbumping.com. I bought some one into the game who really enjoyed bar all the greifing (and things like this is greifing ) and has now left, which is a shame really.
I'm sorry, you're mistaken. It is not griefing. This is evident based on what CCP have said and the result of a thousand petitions.
Secondly, I do not consider it a shame that your terrible stupid friend no longer plays. EVE is not the game for him, you should be happy that he has wandered back to hello kitty online or whatever he actually likes, rather than lamenting the fact that he stopped playing a game that was never meant for him to begin with.
Talon SilverHawk wrote:You keep telling yourself that ..... but at the end of the day its negative, doesn't bring anything to the game and has lost Eve (not the total reason but a contributing factor) another 3 subs..... Way to go you....
Again, you're mistaken. People who never wanted this type of game going elsewhere for their entertainment isn't really a big deal. As for contributing, the New Order and other forms of emergent gameplay and roleplaying are gigantic contributions, they're the kind of thing that makes EVE unique and famous. Know who DOESN'T contribute? Mining peasants who hit the F-keys, go afk for hours. The ones who don't partake in any big events, the ones who don't do anything except obsess over the amount in their wallet (even though the majority of them never use it to do anything interesting).
After all, when was the last time one of these barely-more-than-a-bot mining scum and their mindnumbing activities ended up with hundreds of thousands of views on a blog about their ongoings? When have they been responsible for multiple threadnaughts? Or created events that hundreds of players have responded to in game? Exactly.
James is contributing more to this game than you ever could.
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Deatalious Maricadie
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
1
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:29:00 -
[360] - Quote
If it is a legitimate bumping the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2031
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:33:00 -
[361] - Quote
Deatalious Maricadie wrote:If it is a legitimate bumping the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
What ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:48:00 -
[362] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Deatalious Maricadie wrote:If it is a legitimate bumping the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
What ?
American politics. Which is to say, idiocy. |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2031
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:56:00 -
[363] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Deatalious Maricadie wrote:If it is a legitimate bumping the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
What ? American politics. Which is to say, idiocy. Ah ... yes ... now i remember. *facepalm* Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
551
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:22:00 -
[364] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:You keep telling yourself that ..... but at the end of the day its negative, doesn't bring anything to the game You have a double standard. What exactly does a solitary or afk ice miner bring to a MMORPG? If "contributing" is your Golden Standard, surely someone interacting with others contributes more than someone just sitting there next to a big icey rock?
Yeah, ..... because thats all miners and industrialists do ......... 
Tal
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
504
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:26:00 -
[365] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:You keep telling yourself that ..... but at the end of the day its negative, doesn't bring anything to the game You have a double standard. What exactly does a solitary or afk ice miner bring to a MMORPG? If "contributing" is your Golden Standard, surely someone interacting with others contributes more than someone just sitting there next to a big icey rock?
Why do they have to contribute in a way you deem suitable? They're doing fine now 
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:39:00 -
[366] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:You keep telling yourself that ..... but at the end of the day its negative, doesn't bring anything to the game You have a double standard. What exactly does a solitary or afk ice miner bring to a MMORPG? If "contributing" is your Golden Standard, surely someone interacting with others contributes more than someone just sitting there next to a big icey rock? Yeah, ..... because thats all miners and industrialists do .........  Tal Yep. That is what 95% of miners do.
On occasion, you find the rare gem who actually does contribute to the game and who is capable of producing intelligent and engaging discussion. Most of those can be found in my list of permit holders, incidentally.
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:41:00 -
[367] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Why do they have to contribute in a way you deem suitable? They're doing fine now 
We're just showing them the Light; miners should rejoice at being saved from their boring interaction-less tediousness. Instead, they go "you meanies aren't contributing anything", and I'm just saying that's a stupid argument coming from a miner.
It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
202

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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:39:00 -
[368] - Quote
Deleted some off-topic posts. I mean, as off topic as can be considered in this thread. CCP Eterne | Community Representative
@CCP_Eterne |
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Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:08:00 -
[369] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Besoina wrote:He tried to bump my mack several times & kept failing, shouting something about his order (pizza?). I thought of popping you but then realized there is no Adult that would attack a child seriously. Do you have chat logs or screen shots of that rambling? I'd love to see it  Screenshots or it didn't happen. You know the rules.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
239
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:10:00 -
[370] - Quote
Random Majere wrote:The real heroes in this game that deserve recognition and fame on these very forums, are the ones that killed my DareDevil last evening. It takes skills to take down a PvPer such as myself!! 
C'mon, man... EVERYONE knows that ganking un-tanked, unarmed miners in high sec is REAL peeveepee... you nullies just don't have a clue! |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
552
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:22:00 -
[371] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:You keep telling yourself that ..... but at the end of the day its negative, doesn't bring anything to the game You have a double standard. What exactly does a solitary or afk ice miner bring to a MMORPG? If "contributing" is your Golden Standard, surely someone interacting with others contributes more than someone just sitting there next to a big icey rock? Yeah, ..... because thats all miners and industrialists do .........  Tal Yep. That is what 95% of miners do. On occasion, you find the rare gem who actually does contribute to the game and who is capable of producing intelligent and engaging discussion. Most of those can be found in my list of permit holders, incidentally.
95% Where did you pull that stat out of James's as*
Tal
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
33
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:32:00 -
[372] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:95% Where did you pull that stat out of James's as*
Tal
Generally known as an educated guess, or a guesstimate, or an informed estimate, or a "this is about right but please excuse my not having performed extensive surveys to prove my point in an internet spaceship forum debate".
Also, you seriously need to stop signing your posts. We already can see your name, and it makes it look like you've contributed more than you actually have.
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Besoina
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:52:00 -
[373] - Quote
On the flip side, rather then continue quote-insulting, if you can bump all the miners in a belt, say once an hour for a full weekend. I can see that getting annoying for them, quite annoying in fact. |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
552
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:34:00 -
[374] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:95% Where did you pull that stat out of James's as*
Tal
Generally known as an educated guess, or a guesstimate, or an informed estimate, or a "this is about right but please excuse my not having performed extensive surveys to prove my point in an internet spaceship forum debate". Also, you seriously need to stop signing your posts. We already can see your name, and it makes it look like you've contributed more than you actually have.
lol educated guess , informed estimate ...... you could grow some nice roses in that .....
Tal (lol)
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
30
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:33:00 -
[375] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:95% Where did you pull that stat out of James's as*
Tal
Generally known as an educated guess, or a guesstimate, or an informed estimate, or a "this is about right but please excuse my not having performed extensive surveys to prove my point in an internet spaceship forum debate". Also, you seriously need to stop signing your posts. We already can see your name, and it makes it look like you've contributed more than you actually have. lol educated guess , informed estimate ...... you could grow some nice roses in that ..... Tal (lol)
If we're restricting ourselves to scientifically collected data, then miner-bumping doesn't exist, and you're complaining about nothing. What a waste of time that you could be using to grow roses. |

Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:07:00 -
[376] - Quote
Like Victor Frankenstein Before me, I lament my creation... T_T |

Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
183
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Posted - 2012.11.08 02:16:00 -
[377] - Quote
When i read the OP i can not help to /facepalm the hole thing. Why are people discus this. |

Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.11.08 02:22:00 -
[378] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:When i read the OP i can not help to /facepalm the hole thing. Why are people discus this. To inspire miners; to let them know there is Hope; to educate them. We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2985
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Posted - 2012.11.08 02:24:00 -
[379] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Johan Civire wrote:When i read the OP i can not help to /facepalm the hole thing. Why are people discus this. To inspire miners; to let them know there is Hope; to educate them.
It's also amusing, I'm easily amused btw, and has created some content for both the miners and the bumpers, the miners have even got their own campaign website now. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2012.11.08 02:35:00 -
[380] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It's also amusing
Do you really think the Plight of the miners is amusing? You have it all wrong, Mr. Gravenstein: Miner Bumping is Serious Business! We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2986
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Posted - 2012.11.08 02:52:00 -
[381] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It's also amusing Do you really think the Plight of the miners is amusing? You have it all wrong, Mr. Gravenstein: Miner Bumping is Serious Business!
I totally agree, it is indeed serious business. It's the fact that their current plight is mostly self inflicted and that my shares were purchased with the profits from my own rock culling operation that I find amusing. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1706
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Posted - 2012.11.08 04:22:00 -
[382] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It's also amusing Do you really think the Plight of the miners is amusing? You have it all wrong, Mr. Gravenstein: Miner Bumping is Serious Business! I totally agree, it is indeed serious business. It's the fact that their current plight is mostly self inflicted and that my shares were purchased with the profits from my own rock culling operation that I find amusing. How many shares did your rock killing get you? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 04:24:00 -
[383] - Quote
It is very dangerous too, bumpers are putting their ships on the line daily. Miners have organised so many operations in this bloody two sided war.
Hahaha who am I kidding? We all see how miners operate in today's blogs post. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1706
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Posted - 2012.11.08 04:36:00 -
[384] - Quote
Zak Fey wrote:It is very dangerous too, bumpers are putting their ships on the line daily. Miners have organised so many operations in this bloody two sided war.
Hahaha who am I kidding? We all see how miners operate in today's blogs post. Hmm, nice read. Heh. I should go to tolle and read local some time. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2012.11.08 04:48:00 -
[385] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:My beloved Devs, allow me to clarify one thing right of the bat. I am NOT asking for CCP to acknowledge James 315's sovereign claim to highsec systems, or his titles of Father of the New Order, Supreme Protector of Halaima, or Savior of Highsec. I (unlike many carebears) am not asking for any special treatment whatsoever for James or his followers.-á
I'm asking for a clarification of of CCP's position concerning The New Order's activities in Highsec, particularly bumping, not for my sake, but for the miners.
You see, despite countless rejected petitions, and the tireless efforts of our great GMs to explain to each disgruntled miner that what they've experienced is emergent gameplay that in no way violates the EULA, many miners are still laboring under the delusion that our permaban is just around the corner. Worse yet, the problem is exacerbated by the cookie-cutter replies some GMs issue to distraught carebears of "We're looking into it." More experienced players know that this is a complete "****-off" dismissa designed to shut you up for a whilel. They're not looking into it, they have IMPORTANT things to look into. None the less, it does a great disservice to the miners, sustaining their hope that James and us agents are one bump away from the ban-hammer. The sooner they realize that CCP is not coming to save them, the sooner they can accept our presence and move on, adapt, or who knows, maybe even embrace The New Order. So please bare in mind that I ask this not for myself or James, or The New Order, but for the poor miners who stagnate in their perpetual wait for Superman.
What we need is an authoritative, citable, linkable statement from a Dev, simply stating that Superman isn't coming. The New Halaima Code of Conduct, as well as the act of bumping to enforce it, are compliant with the Terms of Service.
"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change." -Charles Darwin
The carebears must now adapt, and they're understandably upset, they're not used to being asked to do that. By issuing such a statement, CCP would make the transition that much easier for them. The truth will set them free.
In fact, I'd like to take it one step further than merely acknowledging the legality of The New Order.
Who among you Devs, GMs, and ISDs will dare come out of the closet as fans of The New Order? Supporters??Members?!?! :D
I eagerly await your responses, peppered with the rage of many a bear.-á
Thank you so much for your time, Immortally yours,
-Galaxy Pig Agent-á New Order of Highsec
Emergent gameplay...pffft. My buddy was doing this long ago, and nearly got a ban for griefing by doing it. It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1706
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Posted - 2012.11.08 04:58:00 -
[386] - Quote
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Emergent gameplay...pffft. My buddy was doing this long ago, and nearly got a ban for griefing by doing it. He apparently was bad at emergent gameplay then. Or didn't have a well thought out plan, manifesto and all, like the Protector of Highsec. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 05:00:00 -
[387] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Zak Fey wrote:It is very dangerous too, bumpers are putting their ships on the line daily. Miners have organised so many operations in this bloody two sided war.
Hahaha who am I kidding? We all see how miners operate in today's blogs post. Hmm, nice read. Heh. I should go to tolle and read local some time. Make sure you bring your trusted rusty stabber too. ;) |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.11.08 05:19:00 -
[388] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:He apparently was bad at emergent gameplay then. Or didn't have a well thought out plan, manifesto and all, like the Protector of Highsec. See Jimmy - Bumping simply to grief is bad. Wrap it in a well laid out web site, a few thoughtful forum posts, add a splash of miner tears and then you can call it emergent gameplay. Your buddy just needed a better PR person. 
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1707
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Posted - 2012.11.08 06:38:00 -
[389] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:He apparently was bad at emergent gameplay then. Or didn't have a well thought out plan, manifesto and all, like the Protector of Highsec. See Jimmy - Bumping simply to grief is bad. Wrap it in a well laid out web site, a few thoughtful forum posts, add a splash of miner tears and then you can call it emergent gameplay. Your buddy just needed a better PR person.  Basically. See, it's part of a fairly comprehensive program to re-educate highsec miners on the perils of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which AFK mining is a subset.
There are also tears, yes. And isk, due to the Code's required mining permit fee (10mil per miner) - which is only part of the Code's requirements to participate in the greater highsec mining community, of course. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3010
|
Posted - 2012.11.08 07:55:00 -
[390] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: How many shares did your rock killing get you?
Currently 70 shares, I invested the income from just the tritanium & pyerite, that I sell locally because they're just not worth hauling to a hub given the the value per m^3 when refined. The other minerals, that are far more efficient in terms of isk/m^3 when you're paying someone else to haul, I hoard and ship via courier to the nearest hub when it's worth my while to do so. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 08:59:00 -
[391] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: How many shares did your rock killing get you?
Currently 70 shares, I invested the income from just the tritanium & pyerite, that I sell locally because they're just not worth hauling to a hub given the the value per m^3 when refined. The other minerals, that are far more efficient in terms of isk/m^3 when you're paying someone else to haul, I hoard and ship via courier to the nearest hub when it's worth my while to do so. And was the 70 million ISK you paid James worth the honour of being able to vote in one shareholder vote about the fate of one miner who was guilty of asking James questions?
Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you.
Alavaria Fera wrote:And isk, due to the Code's required mining permit fee (10mil per miner) - which is only part of the Code's requirements to participate in the greater highsec mining community, of course. I hope you are aware that maybe 1 in 25 miners actually pays, meaning that in terms of ISK, the entire thing is a massive waste of time.
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
553
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Posted - 2012.11.08 09:01:00 -
[392] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: How many shares did your rock killing get you?
Currently 70 shares, I invested the income from just the tritanium & pyerite, that I sell locally because they're just not worth hauling to a hub given the the value per m^3 when refined. The other minerals, that are far more efficient in terms of isk/m^3 when you're paying someone else to haul, I hoard and ship via courier to the nearest hub when it's worth my while to do so. And was the 70 million ISK you paid James worth the honour of being able to vote in one shareholder vote about the fate of one miner who was guilty of asking James questions? Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you. Alavaria Fera wrote:And isk, due to the Code's required mining permit fee (10mil per miner) - which is only part of the Code's requirements to participate in the greater highsec mining community, of course. I hope you are aware that maybe 1 in 25 miners actually pays, meaning that in terms of ISK, the entire thing is a massive waste of time.
My god ppl actually pay him ???????????????????? wtf ???????????? for shame
Tal
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 09:06:00 -
[393] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:My god ppl actually pay him ???????????????????? wtf ????????????  for shame Tal It has to be said that they are mostly the people who can't spell properly and are incapable of correctly using punctuation or producing a coherent sentence.
Sadly, every profession has 'special' cases, and mining does too. We've just got to prove that there are more of us willing to fight than to give in to their feeble extortion. It's going well so far.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
488
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Posted - 2012.11.08 09:10:00 -
[394] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:My god ppl actually pay him ???????????????????? wtf ????????????  for shame Tal It has to be said that they are mostly the people who can't spell properly and are incapable of correctly using punctuation or producing a coherent sentence. Sadly, every profession has 'special' cases, and mining does too. We've just got to prove that there are more of us willing to fight than to give in to their feeble extortion. It's going well so far.
The ones who pay The New Order are upstanding individuals, they have proven they are real people and not dreck who aspire to be mindless bots. They contribute to EVE Online. |

Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 09:18:00 -
[395] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:The ones who pay The New Order are upstanding individuals, they have proven they are real people and not dreck who aspire to be mindless bots. They contribute to EVE Online. Tell that to the -A- mining alt who started with incoherent ranting against the Order, then paid without any warning whatsoever (to a Dreddit character, no less) and then went straight back to AFK mining. Real upstanding 'code follower' there.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3024
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Posted - 2012.11.08 09:23:00 -
[396] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:The ones who pay The New Order are upstanding individuals, they have proven they are real people and not dreck who aspire to be mindless bots. They contribute to EVE Online. Tell that to the -A- mining alt who started with incoherent ranting against the Order, then paid without any warning whatsoever (to a Dreddit character, no less) and then went straight back to AFK mining. Real upstanding 'code follower' there.
-A- nuff said, didn't they have to cancel a CTA because of RMT bans recently?
Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 09:27:00 -
[397] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:-A- nuff said, didn't they have to cancel a CTA because of RMT bans recently?
They did indeed, and that's just the type that's likely to pay your 'Order'.
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.11.08 11:50:00 -
[398] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you.
That's why everyone should invest at least a billion with the New Order! (But less than 1.337 billion; I hate dropping lower in the shareholders list) We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3032
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:50:00 -
[399] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you.
70 votes is better than no votes, besides I get to read an amusing blog with daily updates, I regularly engage with players that I would never otherwise have met because I'm a filthy carebear and I consider it a sound investment in the future of the way I play the game, a future that involves actually playing the game and socially interacting with others. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
7
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:53:00 -
[400] - Quote
70 votes is better than no votes, besides I get to read an amusing blog with daily updates, I regularly engage with players that I would never otherwise have met because I'm a filthy carebear and I consider it a sound investment in the future of the way I play the game, a future that involves actually playing the game and socially interacting with others.[/quote] It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.
As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3032
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:58:00 -
[401] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote: It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.
As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.
You are correct the blog and the bumping are indeed free content, however the truth of James' words inspired me to get involved and commit financially to his cause. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
46
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:00:00 -
[402] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.
As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO. I think you're somewhat missing the point. Paying for shares allows you participation in something that you believe in, as well as being a public declaration of support for the ideas of the New Order.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
528
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:01:00 -
[403] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote: It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.
As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.
You are correct the blog and the bumping are indeed free content, however the truth of James' words inspired me to get involved and commit financially to his cause.
Sounds more like Dianetics to me  Say no to cults kids!
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
10
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:02:00 -
[404] - Quote
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.
As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO. I think you're somewhat missing the point. Paying for shares allows you participation in something that you believe in, as well as being a public declaration of support for the ideas of the New Order. Please. And you laugh at us for believing in e-honour and glory? Death or glory, fight the good fight and all that s***.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote: It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.
As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.
You are correct the blog and the bumping are indeed free content, however the truth of James' words inspired me to get involved and commit financially to his cause. *Nods* You mean you got scammed to the tune of 70 million ISK? I mean, paying for what you already have...
I have to give it to him, James is a master scammer. This could be even more impressive than his ponzi scheme.
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Speedkermit Damo
TETRA-HEDRON
8
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:18:00 -
[405] - Quote
Is AFK mining for hours on end any worse than sitting on a gate-camp for hours on end. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3038
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:18:00 -
[406] - Quote
How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?
It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:54:00 -
[407] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?
It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment.
It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3038
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:00:00 -
[408] - Quote
No he didn't I knew that I was getting nothing tangible for my money, ergo no scam. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:03:00 -
[409] - Quote
I think it's useless arguing Jonah. These people don't see the benefit of paying 10M for a year of hassle-free mining, they certainly won't understand paying anything at all for something as intangible as the awesomesauce that is the New Order. We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1066
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:03:00 -
[410] - Quote
Sal Landry wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?
It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment. It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not. I got (so far) 21 pages of tears for my ISK. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1996
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:05:00 -
[411] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Sal Landry wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?
It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment. It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not. I got (so far) 21 pages of tears for my ISK. Don't sell it short, there were plenty of other great threads for that ISK, too. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Coreola
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:59:00 -
[412] - Quote
I guess the way I look at it is, who are these people to tell someone else they can't play the way they want? If they want to mine in high-sec all their lives, then go ahead. Their $15 is worth the same as yours, and there's no "correct" way to play Eve beyond following CCP's rules.
Some people don't have the aptitude for PvP. Some people don't like the stress of PvP. Some people simply prefer mining and doing industry work in high-sec because it's relaxing and stress-free. They don't have to worry about about how they'll stack up against other players.
On the same token, these bumpers are free to play Eve how they want to play. If that means flying around asteroid belts bumping miners off their roids, then knock yourselves out. Is it my idea of fun? Not really. I prefer picking fights with people who are willing to and capable of fighting back. |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:25:00 -
[413] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Sal Landry wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?
It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment. It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not. I got (so far) 21 pages of tears for my ISK. Don't sell it short, there were plenty of other great threads for that ISK, too. I dunno, I think we could do with a few more.
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
11
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:32:00 -
[414] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:I think it's useless arguing Jonah. These people don't see the benefit of paying 10M for a year of hassle-free mining, they certainly won't understand paying anything at all for something as intangible as the awesomesauce that is the New Order. You're quite right. It is useless arguing against the superior logic of the Proveldtariat.
I mean, you can regurgitate the (flawed) arguments that James provides you with on his blog and in his manifestos, but when it comes to producing original ideas and arguments in response to the arguments of miners, you people really are like children lost at sea.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
498
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:42:00 -
[415] - Quote
So whats the deal here, are the bot-aspirant miners simply too dumb to recognise how good the New Order is for highsec - and for them, too - or are they seriously trying to forum-post the Order into submission |

Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:28:00 -
[416] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:- or are they seriously trying to forum-post the Order into submission *snicker* Like they have a snow balls chance in hell on that one.
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Zak Fey
Midget Stripper's Union
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:40:00 -
[417] - Quote
Natasha Liao wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:- or are they seriously trying to forum-post the Order into submission *snicker* Like they have a snow balls chance in hell on that one. Especially against the well trained forum warriors from goonswarm. |

Casanunda
Irreverent Industries
33
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:41:00 -
[418] - Quote
They're too busy not playing the game to be an effective force with any hope of beating the New Order into submission.
When I logged on this morning, I announced my presence as a member of the New Order in local who was checking permits, I got no replies from the 6-8 ice miners in system, 2 of them got bumped way way out of mining laser range before the server hamsters fell over and died laughing, resulting in the server crash this morning.
The proveldtariat will fail as long as miners are not prepared to actually pay attention and be at their keyboards, after all if they're AFK how can they retaliate? www.minerbumping.com, death to afk miners and the proveldtariat. |

Anya Solette
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:44:00 -
[419] - Quote
if only miners wouldnt afk while mining, there wouldnt be threads of rage on GD. 
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:44:00 -
[420] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nanatoa wrote:I think it's useless arguing Jonah. These people don't see the benefit of paying 10M for a year of hassle-free mining, they certainly won't understand paying anything at all for something as intangible as the awesomesauce that is the New Order. You're quite right. It is useless arguing against the superior logic of the Proveldtariat. I mean, you can regurgitate the (flawed) arguments that James provides you with on his blog and in his manifestos, but when it comes to producing original ideas and arguments in response to the arguments of miners, you people really are like children lost at sea.
The only argument or action I ever see the proveldtariat take is bumping non-afk non-bot miners who refuse to join the proveldtariat. It's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that, because it's such a simple and obviously wrong thing for you guys to do. When a group bases its existence on 'anti-bumping' but takes no meaningful actions that aren't bumping, then yes, it's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that group--but they aren't needed, as the tired old "you guys are exactly what you claim to be fighting against" argument is sufficient. Why not just rename your group from proveldtariat to probotariat? |
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
12
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:03:00 -
[421] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:The only argument or action I ever see the proveldtariat take is bumping non-afk non-bot miners who refuse to join the proveldtariat. It's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that, because it's such a simple and obviously wrong thing for you guys to do. When a group bases its existence on 'anti-bumping' but takes no meaningful actions that aren't bumping, then yes, it's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that group--but they aren't needed, as the tired old "you guys are exactly what you claim to be fighting against" argument is sufficient. Why not just rename your group from proveldtariat to probotariat? Sorry, but since when do we bump miners?
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:10:00 -
[422] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:The only argument or action I ever see the proveldtariat take is bumping non-afk non-bot miners who refuse to join the proveldtariat. It's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that, because it's such a simple and obviously wrong thing for you guys to do. When a group bases its existence on 'anti-bumping' but takes no meaningful actions that aren't bumping, then yes, it's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that group--but they aren't needed, as the tired old "you guys are exactly what you claim to be fighting against" argument is sufficient. Why not just rename your group from proveldtariat to probotariat? Sorry, but since when do we bump miners?
Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
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Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
12
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:13:00 -
[423] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time.
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:16:00 -
[424] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time.
Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know? |

Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
12
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:19:00 -
[425] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know? OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3062
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:20:00 -
[426] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time. Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?
Interesting, Anslo sets himself up as an anti new order campaigner and then uses the same tactics against miners who don't support him, hypocrisy at its finest.
Nathalie, if you're an ice miner who doesn't currently possess a permit, please evemail me and I shall personally purchase one on your behalf, as appreciation for your good deed in bringing this to light. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:22:00 -
[427] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time. Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know? Interesting, Anslo sets himself up as an anti new order campaigner and then uses the same tactics against miners who don't support him, hypocrisy at its finest. Nathalie, if you're an ice miner who doesn't currently possess a permit, please evemail me and I shall personally purchase one on your behalf, as appreciation for your good deed in bringing this to light.
Actually, it was miners who changes ships and started bumping miners away, NOT miners who wouldn't join. Neutrality is neutrality. But paying, and then bumping. Welp, you're fair game 
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:23:00 -
[428] - Quote
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know? OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.
n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers
I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3062
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:25:00 -
[429] - Quote
Miners bumping other miners is economic warfare, every cycle lost by a miner due to bumping opens up the opportunity for another to sell more product, be it minerals or ice products. Blessed are the meek, for they shall be slaughtered -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á---CCP can't patch stupid---
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:26:00 -
[430] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know? OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking. n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously.
Yep  At first I'd intercept other stabbers and ships by kind of angling in front of them. IF that didn't work, I'd get in front of the miner in the direction they were bumped, and push them back to their asteroid to make sure their cycles kept on working. So if you want to be literal, yes I've been in a stabber for a bit. But it's more to undo the damage you do. 
EDIT: Say what you want Nathalie, I frankly don't care. It's a war. 
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:29:00 -
[431] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know? OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking. n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously. Yep  At first I'd intercept other stabbers and ships by kind of angling in front of them. IF that didn't work, I'd get in front of the miner in the direction they were bumped, and push them back to their asteroid to make sure their cycles kept on working. So if you want to be literal, yes I've been in a stabber for a bit. But it's more to undo the damage you do.  EDIT: Say what you want Nathalie, I frankly don't care. It's a war. 
yes it is. But I don't know which side you're on. I've seen you bump at least 3 miners personally, not because they were bumpers, but because they "supported the new order" and wouldn't join the procommunistariat instead.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:32:00 -
[432] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know? OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking. n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois n++[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously. Yep  At first I'd intercept other stabbers and ships by kind of angling in front of them. IF that didn't work, I'd get in front of the miner in the direction they were bumped, and push them back to their asteroid to make sure their cycles kept on working. So if you want to be literal, yes I've been in a stabber for a bit. But it's more to undo the damage you do.  EDIT: Say what you want Nathalie, I frankly don't care. It's a war.  yes it is. But I don't know which side you're on. I've seen you bump at least 3 miners personally, not because they were bumpers, but because they "supported the new order" and wouldn't join the procommunistariat instead.
All's fair in love and war Nathalie! If a miner is neutral, I leave them alone, and just help them adapt. Last night, for instance, a group was being bumped by your lot, but there's was about 8 of em in corp. I helped them figure out how to angle their ships and prevent themselves from being bumped away, but bumped against the roids!
This way, they either stayed put while being bumped, or the bumper ship bounced away in about 4 different directions. v
But as for those who pay, sorry but that's the enemy. You can villainize me if you want, but oh well If the miners of resisting systems tell me it's ok and encourage us to do so, I don't really care what you or anyone else think 
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:37:00 -
[433] - Quote
Anslo wrote:All's fair in love and war Nathalie! If a miner is neutral, I leave them alone, and just help them adapt. Last night, for instance, a group was being bumped by your lot, but there's was about 8 of em in corp. I helped them figure out how to angle their ships and prevent themselves from being bumped away, but bumped against the roids! This way, they either stayed put while being bumped, or the bumper ship bounced away in about 4 different directions. v But as for those who pay, sorry but that's the enemy. You can villainize me if you want, but oh well  If the miners of resisting systems tell me it's ok and encourage us to do so, I don't really care what you or anyone else think 
"I don't really care what you or anyone else think" - Anslo
"Communism best-munism" - Anslo
"Just because I'm in a stabber, and you're in a retriever, that doesn't mean you're the real miner here" - Anslo
Nothing I can possibly say is as damaging to you as your own words.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:41:00 -
[434] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
"I don't really care what you or anyone else think" - Anslo
"Communism best-munism" - Anslo
"Just because I'm in a stabber, and you're in a retriever, that doesn't mean you're the real miner here" - Anslo
Nothing I can possibly say is as damaging to you as your own words.
If I was ashamed or considered it damaging to anyone who matters (i.e. miners, pve'ers and casual gamers), I wouldn't keep quoting your quotes of..my quotes. I mean hell, the second quote? That's scathing and damaging? 
But continue ahead, it won't stop the resistance 
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Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:43:00 -
[435] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
"I don't really care what you or anyone else think" - Anslo
"Communism best-munism" - Anslo
"Just because I'm in a stabber, and you're in a retriever, that doesn't mean you're the real miner here" - Anslo
Nothing I can possibly say is as damaging to you as your own words.
If I was ashamed or considered it damaging to anyone who matters (i.e. miners, pve'ers and casual gamers), I wouldn't keep quoting your quotes of..my quotes. I mean hell, the second quote? That's scathing and damaging?  But continue ahead, it won't stop the resistance 
That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object. |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:46:00 -
[436] - Quote
Is there *actual* resistance to the bumpers ?
I mean ... besides Ignorance and posting on the forums ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:48:00 -
[437] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote: That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.
Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible.
Will people not be comfortable? Sure Will people be upset? Of course Will people keep resisting? You bet
I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs.
So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more. 
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
636
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:50:00 -
[438] - Quote
CCP and mining mechanics are the problem, bump them ffs.
J9139284987 - bad manifesto, bad logic and bad conclusions.
"New Order" - derivative of above.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:52:00 -
[439] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote: That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.
Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible. Will people not be comfortable? Sure Will people be upset? Of course Will people keep resisting? You bet I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs. So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more.  So ... what do you do ? I'd like to know. I don't pick a side, as long as no side whines about the other.
And ... although only slightly interesting, but still genuine ... why are you helping those who won't defend themselves ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
636
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:53:00 -
[440] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:So ... what do you do ? I'd like to know. I don't pick a side, as long as no side whines about the other.
And ... although only slightly interesting, but still genuine ... why are you helping those who won't defend themselves ? It's emergent gameplay...

Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:54:00 -
[441] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Solstice Project wrote:So ... what do you do ? I'd like to know. I don't pick a side, as long as no side whines about the other.
And ... although only slightly interesting, but still genuine ... why are you helping those who won't defend themselves ? It's emergent gameplay...  And what exactly has your response to do with my post ?
It wasn't even addressing you. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:54:00 -
[442] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote: That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.
Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible. Will people not be comfortable? Sure Will people be upset? Of course Will people keep resisting? You bet I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs. So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more. 
? I'm not villainizing you, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong when you say "In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible. " They're not even at the computer. You pretending that everyone is flaming you, when they're just pointing out that you're saying untrue things, is patently obvious misdirection.
If you feel that me simply quoting you was villainizing you, then that says all that needs to be said, doesn't it.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:58:00 -
[443] - Quote
Nathalie LaPorte wrote: ? I'm not villainizing you, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong when you say "In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible. " They're not even at the computer. You pretending that everyone is flaming you, when they're just pointing out that you're saying untrue things, is patently obvious misdirection.
If you feel that me simply quoting you was villainizing you, then that says all that needs to be said, doesn't it.
Except what you're saying is not true either. How could they simply not be at their keyboards if they're encouraging me? Giving the group intel? Helping other miners? Developing their own plans. Simply because the action is not advertised in a grandiose manner does not mean it isn't happening.
If anyone is wrong here, it'd be you for your presumptions.
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:59:00 -
[444] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Solstice Project wrote: And what exactly has your response to do with my post ?
It wasn't even addressing you.
it's a freebe, say thank you. That's what the guy said to your mother when he made you, right ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
636
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:02:00 -
[445] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Solstice Project wrote: And what exactly has your response to do with my post ?
It wasn't even addressing you.
it's a freebe, say thank you. That's what the guy said to your mother when he made you, right ? Good one!
Let me ask you: How far back to 6th grade did you have to go for that one? 5 years? 10 years?

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Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:02:00 -
[446] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Except what you're saying is not true either. How could they simply not be at their keyboards if they're encouraging me? Giving the group intel? Helping other miners? Developing their own plans. Simply because the action is not advertised in a grandiose manner does not mean it isn't happening. If anyone is wrong here, it'd be you for your presumptions.  If there's no proof of actual resistance, then there's no resistance.
And you're a liar.
This thread has reached it's peak way too long ago ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:03:00 -
[447] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote: ? I'm not villainizing you, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong when you say "In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible. " They're not even at the computer. You pretending that everyone is flaming you, when they're just pointing out that you're saying untrue things, is patently obvious misdirection.
If you feel that me simply quoting you was villainizing you, then that says all that needs to be said, doesn't it.
Except what you're saying is not true either. How could they simply not be at their keyboards if they're encouraging me? Giving the group intel? Helping other miners? Developing their own plans. Simply because the action is not advertised in a grandiose manner does not mean it isn't happening. If anyone is wrong here, it'd be you for your presumptions. 
Talk is cheap, if you manage real resistance, that will convince me, and I'll see it in person.
Pretending that there aren't a huge segment of ice miners that are afk is amusing, thanks for the laugh :) |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
529
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:04:00 -
[448] - Quote
You're welcome 
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Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:04:00 -
[449] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Solstice Project wrote: And what exactly has your response to do with my post ?
It wasn't even addressing you.
it's a freebe, say thank you. That's what the guy said to your mother when he made you, right ? Good one! Let me ask you: How far back to 6th grade did you have to go for that one? 5 years? 10 years?  MORE? That's all you came up with ? That's even worse than what i threw at you. And ... we actually never talked like that in school. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
973
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:30:00 -
[450] - Quote
Capt Lynch wrote:spreading false rumors on the web to get him blacklisted by half of the game community and otherwise making his gaming time on EVE a nightmare?
HAHAHAHAHA!  Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
4845
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Posted - 2012.11.16 22:25:00 -
[451] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Anslo wrote:Except what you're saying is not true either. How could they simply not be at their keyboards if they're encouraging me? Giving the group intel? Helping other miners? Developing their own plans. Simply because the action is not advertised in a grandiose manner does not mean it isn't happening. If anyone is wrong here, it'd be you for your presumptions.  If there's no proof of actual resistance, then there's no resistance. And you're a liar. This thread has reached it's peak way too long ago ... The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
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CCP Falcon
866

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Posted - 2012.11.16 22:33:00 -
[452] - Quote
This thread has run its course and has degenorated into personal attacks and trolling.
If you want to contiune talking about bumping, do so in this thread.
All other threads created on the subject will be locked.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á-á@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents
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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.11.16 22:36:00 -
[453] - Quote
You guys, this thread is over, we win.
CCP Falcon wrote:
So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:
Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.
However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:
Bumping is not considered harassment. Bumping is not considered griefing. Bumping is not against the rules.
It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.
Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.
There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á-á@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents
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