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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:30:00 -
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Some of you may remember I made a thread focused on the myths and facts about Anonymous. In that thread many people ridiculed me and said I was making stuff up or that I was a conspiracy theorist. Something similar happened many years ago when I was in a history class at MCCC and I was trying to tell people about the concentration camps operated by the sea org. My professor and the students told me I was nutty and that I had a wild imagination. Then of course it's now 2012 and anybody can open a book or watch a documentary about the slave camps that have existed for many years and still exist today. I am giving this back-story to establish a recurring theme I have noticed in my life.
I make a claim that I know from first hand experience or research to be true.
The claim is shrugged off or criticized by people who only know what they see on tv or read in the news.
Time passes and the claim(s) I made are not only confirmed but become widely known.
This is exactly what happened with my thread on Anonymous. I made the claim that Anonymous had a instrumental role in the arab spring. I knew this because I was myself involved at that time with Anonymous. The problem was that what I knew then was not widely known as it is today. This brings us to a very special documentary called "We Are Legion: The Story of The Hacktivists".
Youtube Video of the Documentary
Official Website
The official website for the documentary has an interactive timeline similar to the one Al-gizera made for their coverage of the arab spring.
This is the "I told you so" moment. I should hope that in the future when I make a statement or claim about something of this nature that people are more willing to actually do some research before calling me names and disregarding me.
Unfortunately there are still people that I know today who I associate with who animatedly and enthusiastically deny that Anonymous had anything to do with the Arab Spring. It is my hope that through education and dissemination of information that this undesirable phenomenon will be less common.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Elvis Ernaga
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:36:00 -
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Jesus Christ you're an idiot. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:57:00 -
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I forgot to mention it in the original post but I will not be responding to personal attacks.
If you want to have a mature and civilized conversation about the subject matters of this thread then I have no problem with that.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Sladislov
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:11:00 -
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Once again, my avatar explains the perfect response to a post |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:11:00 -
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Why are you reposting this and in a tune that you like you were all over it from the beginning? |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:15:00 -
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*casts personal attack |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:16:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Why are you reposting this and in a tune that you like you were all over it from the beginning?
Well I was involved in OP Iran and OP Tunisia, I had first hand knowledge of these events. When I attempted to share this information people shunned me and told me I was trolling.
Jim Era wrote:*casts personal attack
but seriously, what are you even talking about, I've read it like 3 times and still lost.
The thread is about a social phenomenon whereby a claim is made based off of first hand knowledge and that claim is ignored or denied by a large demographic. The information is later disseminated and verified by many different entities and the people that originally tried to deny the claim cower like rats or continue to deny the claim.
That is what this thread is about.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:25:00 -
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But nobody shunned you in the last thread....
The second part is correct, you are a troll, but that's not really the subject here. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:29:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:But nobody shunned you in the last thread....
The second part is correct, you are a troll, but that's not really the subject here.
In the last thread many people claimed there was no evidence or no reason to take anything I had said as fact. A number of people articulated varied degrees of doubt, denial and criticism.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:36:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156334
You and I aren't on the same page it seems.
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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:37:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156334
You and I aren't on the same page it seems.
The thread you linked is NOT the thread I am talking about. Read the OP of this thread again and you will see that I am referring to a thread I made some time about about the myths and facts of Anonymous.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:45:00 -
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And I was referring to that thread the entire time. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:47:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:And I was referring to that thread the entire time.
It's ok, honest mistake.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.23 01:30:00 -
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it's called people being idiots, nothing new |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.10.23 04:17:00 -
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Heh.
Remember, EVERYBODY is a liar.
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Nachteule Kohen
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Posted - 2012.10.23 04:48:00 -
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*shakes his head*
/leaves |
Harraria
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
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Posted - 2012.10.23 04:56:00 -
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Xenuria, I've seen you progress over the years and I'm honestly worried about your mental health. I'm being completely serious right now. |
Sebastian LaFleur
Galactic Shipyards Inc
SONS of BANE
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Posted - 2012.10.23 08:37:00 -
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As a rather new member of the forums I gave you the benefit of doubt and read the thread you referred to. Your "evidence" wasn't exactly substantial: an Al-Jazeera slideshow and your own words. So I can't see why anyone should have taken it seriously.
And then again, why would you even give a **** what other people think about the Anonymous? In the other thread you said:
Xenuria wrote:For you or anybody else to say that Anonymous had nothing to do with the uprisings in the middle east or their subsequent success is not only broadly offensive and ignorant it is insulting to ME as somebody who participating in the uprisings.
Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
The X-Instinct expands life. The X-Instinct expands consciousness. The X-Instinct is vital to space travel. Travel without moving.-á |
Elias Greyhand
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.23 10:21:00 -
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People doubting what they read on the InterWebz? Whatever next, fire? |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.10.23 14:30:00 -
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Sebastian LaFleur wrote:
Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
Oh man I thought I was the only one who about this. I thought the entire point of anonymous was being anonymous. Our OP is about as anonymous as Paris Hilton at a photo shoot. I mean we all know what he looks like, his name, and his address. Whats to stop a random misfit from contacting the FBI or something with information about a member of anon who is telling us that he part of some operation? |
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:56:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Sebastian LaFleur wrote:
Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
Oh man I thought I was the only one who about this. I thought the entire point of anonymous was being anonymous. Our OP is about as anonymous as Paris Hilton at a photo shoot. I mean we all know what he looks like, his name, and his address. Whats to stop a random misfit from contacting the FBI or something with information about a member of anon who is telling us that he part of some operation?
Xenuria seems to be slowly drifting into some sort of personal quest for recognition of some level or another for reasons not entirely logical that can be easily masqueraded as some sort of metatrolling (when in fact just looks like of a botched puerile attempt at attention)
To OP: If you feel you have to entertain and make clear to the world certain notions regarding yourself, or any action whatsoever that gives relevance on you existing at all, I recommend you visit a mental health specialist. The decline is slowly noticeable, and as a human being, beyond my college education, I would like to stress the fact you are slowly going into a hole of utter blackness and solitude, please, seek professional help, not trolling, being serious.
Seek help fellow capsuleer, besides the daily trolling, having fun, flames and everything that makes eve what it is, I as a human being, feel the need to tell you this and give you this small piece of advice. Take it or leave it , but in good conscience I cant stop saying this to you from one human being to another
Hope you are well.
Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco:
http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:15:00 -
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Sebastian LaFleur wrote:As a rather new member of the forums I gave you the benefit of doubt and read the thread you referred to. Your "evidence" wasn't exactly substantial: an Al-Jazeera slideshow and your own words. So I can't see why anyone should have taken it seriously. And then again, why would you even give a **** what other people think about the Anonymous? In the other thread you said: Xenuria wrote:For you or anybody else to say that Anonymous had nothing to do with the uprisings in the middle east or their subsequent success is not only broadly offensive and ignorant it is insulting to ME as somebody who participating in the uprisings. Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
This was never about personal recognition, you just chose to interpret it that way. This was always about getting the word out and informing people about what is happening in their world. I was very frustrated back then that people were so quick to doubt me when I had seen first hand and even participated in the arab spring. Don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to say that I am some sort of big freaking deal or that anybody should be impressed with me. In truth the work I did and my level of participation was dwarfed by that of those with way more free time and resources then I had. This was and still is about trying to inform people.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Jhan Niber
Big Johnson's
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:18:00 -
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Sebastian LaFleur wrote:As a rather new member of the forums I gave you the benefit of doubt and read the thread you referred to. Your "evidence" wasn't exactly substantial: an Al-Jazeera slideshow and your own words. So I can't see why anyone should have taken it seriously.
Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
This is why I don't hold much respect for people with psychology degrees. Xenuria, who's a self proclaimed psychology student, can't understand what gives a person credibility and misses the simplest concepts of an organization he's supposedly heavily involved with. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:29:00 -
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Jhan Niber wrote:Sebastian LaFleur wrote:As a rather new member of the forums I gave you the benefit of doubt and read the thread you referred to. Your "evidence" wasn't exactly substantial: an Al-Jazeera slideshow and your own words. So I can't see why anyone should have taken it seriously.
Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
This is why I don't hold much respect for people with psychology degrees. Xenuria, who's a self proclaimed psychology student, can't understand what gives a person credibility and misses the simplest concepts of an organization he's supposedly heavily involved with.
Since when did you become an expert on the core concepts and ideas of Anonymous?
Anonymous is many things and one of it's facets of purpose is to inform an share knowledge.
Let us assume just for the sake of argument that you are some sort of supreme arbitrator of all things Anonymous (even though such a thing would never exist). What in particular am I doing wrong in your eyes?
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Jhan Niber
Big Johnson's
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:45:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Jhan Niber wrote:Sebastian LaFleur wrote:As a rather new member of the forums I gave you the benefit of doubt and read the thread you referred to. Your "evidence" wasn't exactly substantial: an Al-Jazeera slideshow and your own words. So I can't see why anyone should have taken it seriously.
Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
This is why I don't hold much respect for people with psychology degrees. Xenuria, who's a self proclaimed psychology student, can't understand what gives a person credibility and misses the simplest concepts of an organization he's supposedly heavily involved with. Since when did you become an expert on the core concepts and ideas of Anonymous? Anonymous is many things and one of it's facets of purpose is to inform an share knowledge. Let us assume just for the sake of argument that you are some sort of supreme arbitrator of all things Anonymous (even though such a thing would never exist). What in particular am I doing wrong in your eyes?
The idea is to do things anonymously. You shouldn't be able to publicly point at an individual as being a member of anonymous. The actions of anonymous are carried out by everyone and no one. I mean, one of the inspirations for the way anonymous operates was in Fight Club, and the first rule is you don't talk about it.
The other thing that just seems incomprehensible is that you're complaining that people didn't just believe you on your word. How you don't understand that people are skeptical after playing EVE is just revealing your naivete. Again, you shouldn't be able to point to anyone individual as having been instrumental in an event. |
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CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:50:00 -
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Removed some personal attacks and off topic comments.
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Elias Greyhand
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:58:00 -
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The purpose was to inform people about what's going on in the world.
Really? People don't care unless it directly impacts upon their own tiny bubble-world in a meaningful way and that's the kind of information people - except stalkers - can't provide. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2012.10.23 17:01:00 -
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Elias Greyhand wrote:The purpose was to inform people about what's going on in the world.
Really? People don't care unless it directly impacts upon their own tiny bubble-world in a meaningful way and that's the kind of information people - except stalkers - can't provide.
You make a valid point. I think I would be the exception to that rule. I often find myself deeply invested in the events of the world around me even if the impact these events have on me personally is minimal.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Borascus
Red Core
Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.23 17:24:00 -
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Cassandra Syndrome is a form of Asperger's, but most likely or occam's razor version? People want to refute it for the craic.
Quote:It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one which makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.
Also, you do actually risk standing out in a crowd as outrageous. If your ideas are concrete and you believe that the influence was malevolent in any way see someone.
You should join a different Hacktivist group
EDIT**: Or leave hack groups altogther and become a Jesuit. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
615
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Posted - 2012.10.23 17:29:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Cassandra Syndrome is a form of Asperger's, but most likely or occam's razor version? People want to refute it for the craic. Quote:It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one which makes the fewest assumptions should be selected. Also, you do actually risk standing out in a crowd as outrageous. If your ideas are concrete and you believe that the influence was malevolent in any way see someone. You should join a different Hacktivist group EDIT**: Or leave hack groups altogther and become a Jesuit.
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
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