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Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 248	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:21:00 - [61] - Quote This has been photoshopped, I can tell by the pixels. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 861	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:39:00 - [62] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Ahhhh... a classic example of bigger and more expensive not being better. Working as intended. edit: wait... what the ****? Dramiel engaging from 522 km away? Petition it. There is no way that is legit. Always read before posting crap. Yes this happens far too often these days, you get shot/scram/web by ships at 600+km on your overview and completely invisible in your tactical. Lost a Sleipnir like this after tanking 6 or 7 cynabals in optimal and jumped through gate, then nothing on tactical but just got disrupted and alpha from 600km (distance of those ships on grid) Waste of time asking CCP for reimbursement, logs show nothing and this is not the first ship I loose this way. brb
Arduemont Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans 503	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:44:00 - [63] - Quote Petition it. What are you coming to the forums for? Want a hug? Is that it? Anyway, troll over. On a serious note, In all likelihood that was probably just a Dysnc problem, and seeing as Dysnc on the server side results in TD (Which there is none of in that picture), the Dysnc is on your side or with your service provider. In which case the logs will show nothing.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 861	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:46:00 - [64] - Quote Arduemont wrote: Petition it. What are you coming to the forums for? Want a hug? Is that it? Anyway, troll over. On a serious note, In all likelihood that was probably just a Dysnc problem, and seeing as Dysnc on the server side results in TD (Which there is none of in that picture), the Dysnc is on your side or with your service provider. In which case the logs will show nothing. For your personal education CCP is unable to fix this because logs show nothing. Thx for coming and share with us your interesting point of view. brb
Arduemont Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans 503	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:49:00 - [65] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Arduemont wrote: Petition it. What are you coming to the forums for? Want a hug? Is that it? Anyway, troll over. On a serious note, In all likelihood that was probably just a Dysnc problem, and seeing as Dysnc on the server side results in TD (Which there is none of in that picture), the Dysnc is on your side or with your service provider. In which case the logs will show nothing. For your personal education CCP is unable to fix this because logs show nothing. Thx for coming and share with us your interesting point of view. Yea, you too.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 4962	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:54:00 - [66] - Quote Vulix wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: So for future reference when you have a desync like this what can you do? Can you log out? Relog? during a battle. What would happen then? It's like you are engaged in combat, except you are 500km away and can't do jackcrap. He had me disrupted, so logging off wouldn't do anything. Now that I think about it, I should have tried jumping through the gate they were on even though I was 500km away. Relogging would almost certainly have re-synched you, and you should have had sufficient EHP to have survived a quick relog - although a tracking-disruptor fitted Dramiel would still have likely killed you in any case, since he's ideally fitted to take on larger turret-based ships. Sorry for your loss, but also you seem to be under the impression that small ships shouldn't be able to take on larger ships and win. In that you are simply wrong. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 335	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:59:00 - [67] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Vulix wrote: Herr Hammer Draken wrote: So for future reference when you have a desync like this what can you do? Can you log out? Relog? during a battle. What would happen then? It's like you are engaged in combat, except you are 500km away and can't do jackcrap. He had me disrupted, so logging off wouldn't do anything. Now that I think about it, I should have tried jumping through the gate they were on even though I was 500km away. Relogging would almost certainly have re-synched you, and you should have had sufficient EHP to have survived a quick relog - although a tracking-disruptor fitted Dramiel would still have likely killed you in any case, since he's ideally fitted to take on larger turret-based ships. Sorry for your loss, but also you seem to be under the impression that small ships shouldn't be able to take on larger ships and win. In that you are simply wrong. Also bear in mind commands still work, so if you hit approach tower or whatever you will end up at the tower (safe inside pos shields) even though it shows you being far outsid ethe tower on your screen. With jumping through gates/docking in stations it is more complicated as your client tells you you are not in range even though you are (though this could easily have changed since it last happened to me).
Gibbo5771 RAM Legion DOT Reloaded DOT 25	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:09:00 - [68] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I've cleaned up the thread of personal attacks and off topic comments. Please keep it constructive when posting, thank you. As for that, I think it warrants a petition, as getting engaged from over 500 km away is either an exploit or a connection issue. Be sure to include that screenshot as it'll help your petition. Good luck and I hope things are cleared up properly for you. Thats a lie. CCP does not take player evidence into account. I once lost a Taranis in highsec while jumping to lowec with -10 sec status. I had clicked jump, said jumping, ship disappeared but I remained on that side of the gate, then coppers swung by and killed me when I was "cloaked" during jumping. Soon as I died my pod jumped over. Never had GCC or anything, I recorded the entire thing cause they took like 3-4 minutes to show up and kill me. Even took multiple screen shots. They still said nothing they can do.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 861	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:10:00 - [69] - Quote Doddy wrote: With jumping through gates/docking in stations it is more complicated as your client tells you you are not in range even though you are (though this could easily have changed since it last happened to me). It still shows the log saying your ship can't lock warp on target because distance blahblah or you're not in range to approach, while this is nothing when you're the single dude at whatever point in the game, it's the assurance of your ship/pod death when some other dudes in system hunting targets. Since my fresh computer is so bad to play Eve it's better to just log for skills and then go play something else without desync problems Waiting patch download brb
Alpheias Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 1390	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:13:00 - [70] - Quote How many fucks was given? Not a single one. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 861	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:17:00 - [71] - Quote Alpheias wrote: How many fucks was given? Not a single one. That's why it's a waste of time petitioning for this At least forum doesn't have this problem but doesn't provide km's brb
Covert Custard Covert Technology 1	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:29:00 - [72] - Quote Alpheias wrote: How many fucks was given? Not a single one. I love the way everyone has ignored the chat window, where the aggressor is boasting that he has a CONCORD Modified WS, i.e the meta14, GM only item. http://www.eveiverse.com/items/concord_modified_warp_scrambler#groups%2Fmodule%2Fwarp_scrambler
Random Majere Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda 19	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:33:00 - [73] - Quote Hmm...Last week I was fighting a slasher with a rifter (somewhere in vale). The slasher pulled out when he was about to hit structure. He was still flashing red and was over 200Ks from me. I was not taking damage though but it was a bit weird. Could there be a bug in the game ?
Alpheias Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 1390	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:45:00 - [74] - Quote Covert Custard wrote: Alpheias wrote: How many fucks was given? Not a single one. I love the way everyone has ignored the chat window, where the aggressor is boasting that he has a CONCORD Modified WS, i.e the meta14, GM only item. http://www.eveiverse.com/items/concord_modified_warp_scrambler#groups%2Fmodule%2Fwarp_scrambler I love how willing you are to be convinced that this being a exploit rather than being a connection issue and perpetrator that trolls his victim in soon-to-be-dead Proteus? Did you accept religion into your life as well? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 335	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:47:00 - [75] - Quote Covert Custard wrote: Alpheias wrote: How many fucks was given? Not a single one. I love the way everyone has ignored the chat window, where the aggressor is boasting that he has a CONCORD Modified WS, i.e the meta14, GM only item. http://www.eveiverse.com/items/concord_modified_warp_scrambler#groups%2Fmodule%2Fwarp_scrambler Well if anyone did notice they didn't care, not even dev hax mods can increase lock range beyond 249k, its hard coded. It only has a 24k range anyway so whats your point?
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 917	Posted - 2012.10.24 12:03:00 - [76] - Quote Covert Custard wrote: Alpheias wrote: How many fucks was given? Not a single one. I love the way everyone has ignored the chat window, where the aggressor is boasting that he has a CONCORD Modified WS, i.e the meta14, GM only item. http://www.eveiverse.com/items/concord_modified_warp_scrambler#groups%2Fmodule%2Fwarp_scrambler I love how you believe that people don't lie. Your imaginary world must be a happy place. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 1597	Posted - 2012.10.24 12:31:00 - [77] - Quote Doddy wrote: Sarah Schneider wrote: Judging solely by the screenshot. If this ain't reimbursable, CCP should just remove any reimbursement policy altogether imo. Not really, i mean that could be a modified client for all they know. Of course, but even if the server logs shows nothing it doesn't mean there's nothing wrong. The desync issue is one of those things that may or may not even prompt a flag on CCP's logs; it might not even traceable at all. Same as why CCP haven't been able to pinpoint what's been causing the gate/bridge jump desyncs (the grid not loading issue). The logs hadn't been able to provide them with a cause let alone the solution and they still asking players to post more bug reports almost for that very reason. My point is, even when something's not showing on their logs, doesn't necessarily mean the fault is on client side. There can be a number of reasons. While it's true that screenshots sometimes means nothing, logs are also not something that they should be solely based on for reimbursements. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1941	Posted - 2012.10.24 12:40:00 - [78] - Quote This reminds me of typical human stupidity. One has a great friend, lets call her Eve. She has been a great friend for YEARS ... ... and all seems forgotten by the one mistake she made. Suddenly she became, in your eyes, a bad person you dont want to have anything to do with anymore... Thats sad. Mistakes can happen and sometimes good friends cant event explain why they **** up and cant make up for it. Sometimes we should try to be more forgiving to each other... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire**
Nariya Kentaya Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking 220	Posted - 2012.10.24 12:51:00 - [79] - Quote Xenuria wrote: This reminds me of the time I lost a 8bil Proteus to "stop the theif" because my ship became non-responsive. If you fitted your proteus for 8bil, you deserved to lose it, period. Not even the beariest wormholer would do sleepers in a fit that expensive. (and now SOMEONE is going to find a killmail to disprove me, i just know it, but serioulsy, fitting anything smaller then a carrier with more then 3bil in equipment is ridiculous)
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc 430	Posted - 2012.10.24 12:55:00 - [80] - Quote Vulix wrote: trited wrote: CCP's Comment will be, Sorry for your loss but unfortunately our logs do not show any problem. I can move this up the ladder for someone higher then me can take a look at but they will probably just tell you the same. Fly safe, gm shift cabob Yeah I'm kind of expecting that, in which case I will probably unsub for a long time. If this game is still around a few patches from now (I expect it too) I may try it again then. Otherwise, you can probably find me on planetside 2 or something. Losing in-game effort to a bug, which is CCP's problem, is just too fun-breaking for me. Hopefully they fix it Desyncs and other little things happen from time to time. It sucks you lost a ship to it but it's not the end of the world. Just go get another, no need to ragequit but if you do, I'll take care of your stuff until you come back
Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 125	Posted - 2012.10.24 14:14:00 - [81] - Quote This dude either had desync issues, or had been modifying HIS OWN CLIENT somehow. Oxygen jumped into PF-346 from Orvolle, jumped straight to the FD gate and found this dude there, 12.5Km from the gate. His Dramiel tackled his ship and they started shooting each other. Oxygen was orbiting him at 500, with AB turned on. He was definitely not at 500Km and our pilots thought he was haxx0ring somehow. We even took our own pictures, for it was indeed weird http://i47.tinypic.com/2r3yz9g.jpg Also, he lost his Proteus NOT to a Dramiel, but to a Dramiel, a Cynabal, a Stabber, a Stiletto and a Taranis. http://www.iberians.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21701 He DID seem to cry a hell of a lot in Local, but the 2.6 billions he dropped were well worth putting him out of his misery. Also, API verified: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17761843 I would like him to petition: then MAYBE we'll know if he was indeed trying to cheat. Other than that, the kill is pretty standard and he will of course not get refunded.
Jim Era 5715	Posted - 2012.10.24 14:21:00 - [82] - Quote This thread explained so much
Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 125	Posted - 2012.10.24 14:22:00 - [83] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I've cleaned up the thread of personal attacks and off topic comments. Please keep it constructive when posting, thank you. As for that, I think it warrants a petition, as getting engaged from over 500 km away is either an exploit or a connection issue. Be sure to include that screenshot as it'll help your petition. Good luck and I hope things are cleared up properly for you. He got engaged from 12.5 away, not 500. Sitting alone...in his expensive Proteus...by himself...in Syndicate...at a gate...not aligned. I think that counts as self destruction, in fact Seriously now, it's either an overview bug or more probably a desync issue, as we (the aggressors) also saw it and laughed quite a bit. Either this, or he tried to modify his client and it backfired. Also, there were five pilots involved in his demise, not "a Dramiel". Although, judging by the amount of damage he tanked and his piloting style, the Dramiel alone would have been more than enough. And a Velator too, given enough time.
Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 126	Posted - 2012.10.24 14:31:00 - [84] - Quote Vulix wrote: Losing in-game effort to a bug, which is CCP's problem, is just too fun-breaking for me. Hopefully they fix it I think I'll collect all the Local logs for the delight and enjoyment of the readers. Stupidity and then inability to accept the loss of virtual spaceships do not count as "bugs". Yes, I know you wish they did. But they don't, really. Perhaps CCP will rollback Tranquility for your truly, honestly scaring threats to cancel your sub . In case they don't, know that we are putting those billions you entrusted us with to good use, rest assured.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 962	Posted - 2012.10.24 14:47:00 - [85] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I'd be rather disappointed if they didn't reimburse you. The screenshot is pretty clear-cut. That's for sure. Desync or not, I believe you have a valid case for recompensation. 512K's, holy crap. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5312	Posted - 2012.10.24 14:54:00 - [86] - Quote Also OP you kinda neglected to say the truth which is that you didn't just die to a Dramiel but also a Cynabal and Vagabond. Why in the world would you roam through Syndicate in a 3.2b ISK Proteus without a single implant in your clone? This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting. fofofofofo
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 1047	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:43:00 - [87] - Quote Darius Brinn wrote: We even took our own pictures, for it was indeed weird http://i47.tinypic.com/2r3yz9g.jpg The **** is the point of posting this if you're going to downsize it to the point where you can't see anything? Seriously? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 252	Posted - 2012.10.24 15:43:00 - [88] - Quote Andski wrote: Also OP you kinda neglected to say the truth which is that you didn't just die to a Dramiel but also a Cynabal and Vagabond. Why in the world would you roam through Syndicate in a 3.2b ISK Proteus without a single implant in your clone? Because of falcon "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen 182	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:06:00 - [89] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I'd be rather disappointed if they didn't reimburse you. The screenshot is pretty clear-cut. You'd be surprised. I've had some absolute doozies, and petitioned with screenshots, even videos. Apparently CCP doesn't accept player submissions as proof, even logs from our end, since we could edit them. Which kind of begs the question, why do we even have logs? Calling it now, CCP will sit there with their fingers in their ears, eyes closed, screaming "LALALALALALA THE LOGS SHOW NOTHING".
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 2842	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:20:00 - [90] - Quote It sucks to lose ships to bugs but if you are moving to planetside 2 upset over a bug then you will be even more disappointed by that game. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://bit.ly/RB6X4C ~ (a¦á_a¦â)

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