It's very easy for people who don't use these set ups to agree with the nerfs. I on the other hand being Caldari while I do not PVP can not understand CCPs beef with the caldari. Just feels like we are always at the center focus for nerfs HML ? caldari pilots have very few advantages as it is and they just keep taking more and more away. Yet I see nothing to counteract these nerfs . this is what you get when you allow the devs to play the game IMO. And don't tell me they do not do things to fit their agenda less I remind you on a little issue there was with bpos

shield tankers, . . . aren't allowed to have good stuff

I had plenty of fun in single ASB setups. If anything, this nerf simply makes dual asbs a requisite rather than a safer alternative to single, singles wont last anywhere near long enough.

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No ASB were way over powered and i should know i used them on my Sleipnir. There was no matching them in any shape or form.

Get over it they out did all other forms of tanking i have seen kill mails were a sleipnir with dual larger ABS held off 4 to 5 other cruisers/battlecruisers and won the fight with dual ASB setup.

So dont tell me fititng them were not over power. be happy you can still fit two asb when most are calling for beening able to fit just one.

Erm.... ASB made it worst.

ASB made ALL other forms of tank obsolete for solo.
It definitely needs a nerf.

Still waiting for the armour equivalent to the ASB. The reactive armour hardner is a joke.

Heh yeah it's a bit like they said "here you go, shield tankers, have one of the greatest tanking modules we've created" and then turned to armor and said "here, have a boiled sweet".

Sure it's quick to train for shields if you don't have em but AAB would be interesting too :)

So I guess having an ASB on your solo ship made it better than your opponent who had an ASB on his ship?

Seems the logic is missing on this one.

To be fair the reactive armour one is fanastic for any lengthy PvP activity. By the time everything has switched you get like +30% resists to both the type of damage that the NPCs are doing, plus the % from the DCU plus any hardeners/EANM you have.

Problems are:

1) Very cap intensive
2) Skilling up the related skill makes it more unuseable
3) No good for PvP as fights are over way too fast.

So a bit off topic here, but does the reactive hardener stack with EANM without penalty?

To be fair the reactive armour one is fanastic for any lengthy PvP activity. By the time everything has switched you get like +30% resists to both the type of damage that the NPCs are doing, plus the % from the DCU plus any hardeners/EANM you have.

Problems are:

1) Very cap intensive
2) Skilling up the related skill makes it more unuseable
3) No good for PvP as fights are over way too fast.

As usual solo pvp isn't considered important by CCP so they are nerfing the biggest solo pvp buff in the history of EVE: The ASB. It will now have half clip capacity so you can't use two of them for a good solo tank.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155474

I know that shield tankers, solo players, and the caldari aren't allowed to have good stuff CCP but seriously? Just remove the option for solo pvp.

The cycle time increase on the X-L version was so obvious that anyone who didn't see it coming is living in la-la land.

Not sure whether clip reduction is a good strategy here, though I have to admit it is the first logical thing to try. Making the module a "one per ship" type of deal would only solve half of the problems (dual ASB setups) without touching on the setups that only use one, like the Vagabond.

One X-L ASB is worth three T2 large shield extenders with max skills and two shield extender rigs. It's really a no-brainer to adapt setups to use them on almost every shield-capable ship out there. These things definitely needed a nerf, and I'm saying that as someone who really, really likes the modules.

The one thing I don't like about the capacity nerf is how it's going to affect the smaller sizes more than the larger ones. They should equalize the cycle times on all of them, and adjust boost amounts to compensate.

As usual solo pvp isn't considered important by CCP so they are nerfing the biggest solo pvp buff in the history of EVE: The ASB. It will now have half clip capacity so you can't use two of them for a good solo tank.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155474

I know that shield tankers, solo players, and the caldari aren't allowed to have good stuff CCP but seriously? Just remove the option for solo pvp.

solo pcp.

You should never do that stuff alone. Might need someone to hold you down with a stick in your mouth so you don't bite off your tongue.

You should never do that stuff alone. Might need someone to hold you down with a stick in your mouth so you don't bite off your tongue.

What's sad is that there's been a lot of feedback in the ASB thread and the developers haven't posted there for a while. There's been quite a few decent suggestions there for proper fixes.

ASB introduction was one of the biggest nerfs to solo and small-scale PvP. The thing solo needs has never been tank, it's damage. ASB rendered damage even less potent. Nowadays everyone has to chew through craploads of HP - how exactly this crap helps to solo?

I find it utterly sad how idiots aren't ashamed to openly express their delusions that they should be able to tank the entire enemy DPS by their OP mods alone rather than by their skills, tactics and maneuvering.

Newcomers of EVE, please listen to this man, he speaks the truth from actual experience.

But the argument that ASB's hurt solo pvp? really??

so what if 1vs1 both with asb fight? it will take longer than before perhaps but one of them will die.

I agree on OP and needs balancing, but to say it does the opposite of what it did, nah.

One-wee-ones mostly happen at frigate level, but in general it's a pretty small part of solo, while actually it's mostly 1 vs many , but even frigates often utilize some tactics to separate gangs and gain a certain timeframe to do the job. This timeframe depends on how quickly the target can be brought down and how fast the reinforcements can land (either by warping in or by MWDing). There's literally no way to slow them down, so your only bet is killing things fast enough. ASB prevents your from doing that, more so for heavier ships cause DPS doesn't scale with EHP and tank when progressing from frigs to battleships.

So it hurts a fleet taking down a fast moving soloship?! Again, not disagreeing with your main point, just your argument.

I both been on receiving end and using it myself, overall from what I have seen it buffed solo/small gang vs fleet.


PS: Best is of course a dominix with drone dps, neuts and 2 asb's

It hurts the solo player because it's much harder for a solo player to "assassinate" one of the ships from a fleet since they all have super big active tanks. It also makes 'dying but killing a dude or two as you go down" much more unlikely.

A group of dudes using overpowered mechanic can beat a larger group of dudes not using the overpowered mechanic is not balanced. It's the same justification people used to try and defend nano-ships and 200km optimal range Falcons.