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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
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Posted - 2012.10.26 01:53:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:35:00 -
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The forums are broken. This is a widely held opinion of the Forums by EVE players. Notice you only see a small handfull of EVE players that post here. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
55
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Posted - 2012.10.26 07:00:00 -
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ISD99 - Thread unsubscribed now for lack of content. |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
493
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Posted - 2012.10.26 07:02:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote: So you're saying everyone has to use likes in order to unlike. A sure sign that something is balanced and working as intended. You started with 0 and finished with 0.
How BALANCED do you want it???!
NOTE: No decimal points were harmed in the making of this post. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:19:00 -
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I believe that forums should have "sage"-like function, i.e. you post without bumping the thread in which you post. |

Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
526
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:23:00 -
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I think people are misunderstanding my intention.
I'm not looking for one method over any other. I just think CCP needs a better way to measure the popularity of ideas posted on this forum. The "Like the OP" system is terrible. We should be able to rate threads good or bad (rather than posts), and yes I know this would be prone to exploitation, but only as much as the system we have now. Even with people exploiting the system CCP would still be able to get a better idea about popular opinion.
That way, you could read a thread and show you don't support the idea, without bumping it to the top. Read it, down rate it, and move to the next one.
Barrogh Habalu wrote:I believe that forums should have "sage"-like function, i.e. you post without bumping the thread in which you post.
This is also a good idea, if you absolutely have to post to say how terrible a thread is, you should be able to do it without keeping the damn thread constantly talked about.
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forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
31
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:25:00 -
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Its because ccp neglected the player base for years and this is a very addictive game with a high level of "me"-feeling (dunno whats the words exacly). So loads of ppl took 3 yrs of bad bad reputation building, neglection and bad negative image and felt treated like ****. In the end the player base are customers and no one likes to be treated like a unwanted customer. Add the tartget group to it, high educuted intelligent people that have good memories and you create over a long period the most unwanted forum trolls full of hate that cant stop playing. And thats where we are now. No one is a born troll, you get made into one. And thats all their fault.
Any market gurou knows that is much much harder to "fix" a unhappy customer than making a neutral customer happy. Unfortualy for CCP, eve's target group is very small and survavability depends on "fixing" the unhappy customers. Besides that, trolling has been intergrated in ingame social mechanic's like in politics. Look at goons who claim "moral wins war's, not fights". They are right in that so people think trolling is a normal thing to do. Look at Kugu, its designed for trolling. Trolling is in eve a normal thing to do. Why? read above again. CCP made it, now it is at a point it is not fixable anymore. Like the techmoon holder's unlimeted isk stash creating game breaking disbalancements for years to come. Funny they find trolling so normal that it affect the entire eve's public image in any player based promotional appearance.... way to go break you own game even more.... dont think they realy want it anyway... lol (that one in funny :PP)
Told you so CCP years ago. You didnt want to listen so meh,
brb got to plex up my other 4 accounts (dont think im playing for this troll fest broken game, right) |

Craft Matar
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:47:00 -
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forestwho wrote:Its because ccp neglected the player base for years and this is a very addictive game with a high level of "me"-feeling (dunno whats the words exacly). So loads of ppl took 3 yrs of bad bad reputation building, neglection and bad negative image and felt treated like ****. In the end the player base are customers and no one likes to be treated like a unwanted customer. Add the tartget group to it, high educuted intelligent people that have good memories and you create over a long period the most unwanted forum trolls full of hate that cant stop playing. And thats where we are now. No one is a born troll, you get made into one. And thats all their fault.
Any market gurou knows that is much much harder to "fix" a unhappy customer than making a neutral customer happy. Unfortualy for CCP, eve's target group is very small and survavability depends on "fixing" the unhappy customers. Besides that, trolling has been intergrated in ingame social mechanic's like in politics. Look at goons who claim "moral wins war's, not fights". They are right in that so people think trolling is a normal thing to do. Look at Kugu, its designed for trolling. Trolling is in eve a normal thing to do. Why? read above again. CCP made it, now it is at a point it is not fixable anymore. Like the techmoon holder's unlimeted isk stash creating game breaking disbalancements for years to come. Funny they find trolling so normal that it affect the entire eve's public image in any player based promotional appearance.... way to go break you own game even more.... dont think they realy want it anyway... lol (that one in funny :PP)
Told you so CCP years ago. You didnt want to listen so meh,
brb got to plex up my other 4 accounts (dont think im playing for this troll fest broken game, right)
Brilliant |

Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
16
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:52:00 -
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Chribba is right. The reason youtube got so popular was because it allowed people to indivudually sort and find videos. And an enourmous construvtive spread of information ensued. Of course this isnt in the interest of the TPTB hence youtube is constantly devolving and sorting by rating and all these kinds of stuff you could do back then have been removed.
Anyway, maybe these forums are working as intended, as CCP does not want light to be shed on apparant problems. They do not want the information to flow, its typical behavior. Its easier to hide the problems than to solve them. |

Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:35:00 -
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Let's inject some risk into the forums and make three buttons, like, dislike and add bounty. To eliminate forum alts change it so that only the pilot on your account with the most time in space, as in the one you undock with the most, can post.
If a dislike button were to be added and some sort of ranking system used where by dislikes purged the thread from the system, I would prefer it be an individual setting that only effects what I see. By this I mean i go into my profile settings and say 10 dislikes will cause a thread to not be displayed. This way I can control only what I see, this way it's more pure content control and not just a popularity contest or some more ******** meta gaming. I mean what happens when two big alliances go to war and they start disliking each others posts? There's enough hate in the game as it is, allowing it to spill over into the forums via a ranking system is recipe for disaster.
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Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce
2462
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:51:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Let's inject some risk into the forums and make three buttons, like, dislike and add bounty. To eliminate forum alts change it so that only the pilot on your account with the most time in space, as in the one you undock with the most, can post.
If a dislike button were to be added and some sort of ranking system used where by dislikes purged the thread from the system, I would prefer it be an individual setting that only effects what I see. By this I mean i go into my profile settings and say 10 dislikes will cause a thread to not be displayed. This way I can control only what I see, this way it's more pure content control and not just a popularity contest or some more ******** meta gaming. I mean what happens when two big alliances go to war and they start disliking each others posts? There's enough hate in the game as it is, allowing it to spill over into the forums via a ranking system is recipe for disaster.
I like your ideas, especially those on eliminating forum alts.
You could do this a little easier by just handing out a "Main" tag to every player (not account). Players could assign this tag to a single character and it will display on the forums (like a little M in the corner of your avatar portrait). This way you could know if you are dealing with a main or a forum alt and could react accordingly.
For best results and enhanced forum experience, please read my posts in Snooki's voice |

Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
126
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:52:00 -
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Klymer wrote:There's enough hate in the game as it is, allowing it to spill over into the forums via a ranking system is recipe for disaster. Everyone will be playing the game with alts for fear of someone hunting down their main on the forum and disliking them.
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bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
12
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:57:00 -
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Me think you / we should only be allowed to post once pr. half hour pr. player. As is, its the same xx number of players that post in every thread in here, some times many times in every thread, and many many times they just post nothing of interest to bump the thread and get as high a number in the "posted most time number game". By only allowing players to post once pr. half hour, the're forced to think before posting. Every post has to mean something.
NB: Should of course not apply for the OP. |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
502
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Posted - 2012.10.26 22:01:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote: You could do this a little easier by just handing out a "Main" tag to every player (not account). This way you could know if you are dealing with a main or a forum alt and could react accordingly.
The quickest road to mediocrity.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
533
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Posted - 2012.10.27 07:59:00 -
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OP Updated.
bbb2020 wrote:Me think you / we should only be allowed to post once pr. half hour pr. player. As is, its the same xx number of players that post in every thread in here, some times many times in every thread, and many many times they just post nothing of interest to bump the thread and get as high a number in the "posted most time number game". By only allowing players to post once pr. half hour, the're forced to think before posting. Every post has to mean something.
NB: Should of course not apply for the OP.
This is moderation in it's extreme. And I don't think it would really help much. You may get fewer trolls posting, sure. But you would also end up with many massive walls of text, where people try to cram as much content into each post as they can. Aside from the idea just leaving a bad taste, it's also a little inconvenient for everyone.
Klymer wrote:Let's inject some risk into the forums and make three buttons, like, dislike and add bounty. To eliminate forum alts change it so that only the pilot on your account with the most time in space, as in the one you undock with the most, can post.
If a dislike button were to be added and some sort of ranking system used where by dislikes purged the thread from the system, I would prefer it be an individual setting that only effects what I see. By this I mean i go into my profile settings and say 10 dislikes will cause a thread to not be displayed. This way I can control only what I see, this way it's more pure content control and not just a popularity contest or some more ******** meta gaming. I mean what happens when two big alliances go to war and they start disliking each others posts? There's enough hate in the game as it is, allowing it to spill over into the forums via a ranking system is recipe for disaster.
This is pretty cool, although I'm not sure about the way of deciding which character is your main. That sounds a little extreme, although it would work fine for me, I'm sure there are ways this could be exploited. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
868
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Posted - 2012.10.27 08:08:00 -
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Hazen Koraka wrote:More power to the trolls? They will just keep mashing the DO NOT WANT button? Uh... No.
You forget to add "power to the trolls and their army of alts"
Please edit you post and do things right will ya?  brb |

Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
533
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Posted - 2012.10.27 08:11:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Hazen Koraka wrote:More power to the trolls? They will just keep mashing the DO NOT WANT button? Uh... No. You forget to add "power to the trolls and their army of alts" Please edit you post and do things right will ya? 
That's already how it works with the like button. I don't think there would be any more exploitation, just different exploitation, in a generally better system.  |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive Blue Nation
112
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Posted - 2012.10.28 10:24:00 -
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Supported.
The details will have to be worked out, so that the new system is better without creating more room for exploitation (I don't mind there being the same amount of room for, but more would be bad). Also, changing it as little as possible would be nice, any massive changes to how a forum works would make it less intuitive to use, which is bad.
[rant] Oh, thinking of unintuitive changes, why do the new damage bars on the new targeting UI go ANTI-clockwise? Wouldn't it be more intuitive to use the direction of something similar to things we use in real life, like for example.. a clock. [/rant] |

Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
565
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Posted - 2012.10.30 18:03:00 -
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Thanks for the support/rants/discussion/criticism so far guys, keep it coming.
There's an especially high number of terrible threads at the moment. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive Blue Nation
112
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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:02:00 -
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Your welcome. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1875
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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:44:00 -
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People are dumb and don't like to think.
It's a lot easier to toss a meme at a troll than post a well reasoned response to a considered OP.
It's just the way of the net. Love it or GTFO.
Mr Epeen  There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
301
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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:47:00 -
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If I wanted eve reddit I'd go to the eve reddit.
The forums are fine as they are.
New layout won't stop terrible threads, the source of terrible threads are terrible players. This one being a prime example. |

Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
5
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:55:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:People are dumb and don't like to think. It's a lot easier to toss a meme at a troll than post a well reasoned response to a considered OP. It's just the way of the net. Love it or GTFO. Mr Epeen 
Self fulfiling prophecy 
Diesel47 wrote:If I wanted eve reddit I'd go to the eve reddit.
The forums are fine as they are.
New layout won't stop terrible threads, the source of terrible threads are terrible players. This one being a prime example. |

Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
578
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:15:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:If I wanted eve reddit I'd go to the eve reddit.
The forums are fine as they are.
New layout won't stop terrible threads, the source of terrible threads are terrible players. This one being a prime example.
You didn't read any of this thread, did you? "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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