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Naal Morno	Posted - 2005.04.02 06:39:00 - [31] 1. Shield bonus means exactly NOTHING. It is just a little more buffer before you go down if you can't sustain tank. 2. If you're tanking, your damage vs regen is what determines if you're winning or about to die. This DID NOT change. 3. Now you can jam NPC. USE FREAKING Jammers+ECCM Burst and I bet you can disable lots of NPCs this way, both away and en masse up close... There is totally nothing to complain. Scorpion is the only ship getting meaningful bonus from all ships this patch after all... And if you don't like it, buy raven. After this one gets nerf, train other race like most old players did anyway... Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
Naal Morno ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2005.04.02 06:39:00 - [32] 1. Shield bonus means exactly NOTHING. It is just a little more buffer before you go down if you can't sustain tank. 2. If you're tanking, your damage vs regen is what determines if you're winning or about to die. This DID NOT change. 3. Now you can jam NPC. USE FREAKING Jammers+ECCM Burst and I bet you can disable lots of NPCs this way, both away and en masse up close... There is totally nothing to complain. Scorpion is the only ship getting meaningful bonus from all ships this patch after all... And if you don't like it, buy raven. After this one gets nerf, train other race like most old players did anyway... _________________________________________ The cloaky orchestrator
Pottsey	Posted - 2005.04.02 15:48:00 - [33] "1. Shield bonus means exactly NOTHING. It is just a little more buffer before you go down if you can't sustain tank." ThatÆs not true the scorp was one of the best passive shield tankÆs against NPC as the higher the shield cap the more shield hitpoints you get back a second. Even if you donÆt passive tank but active you still lose out on Hp/s regen. The scorp could with a passive tank get over 125 to 135 shield hp/s. ThatÆs 625 to 675hp over 5 seconds. ThatÆs more then an Extra Large T2 shield booster with 0 cap drain. Now you dont get anywhere near that amount. ô2. If you're tanking, your damage vs regen is what determines if you're winning or about to die. This DID NOT change.ö As above losing 25% shields lowers you hp regen a lot even if you active tank. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
Pottsey Gallente	Posted - 2005.04.02 15:48:00 - [34] "1. Shield bonus means exactly NOTHING. It is just a little more buffer before you go down if you can't sustain tank." ThatÆs not true the scorp was one of the best passive shield tankÆs against NPC as the higher the shield cap the more shield hitpoints you get back a second. Even if you donÆt passive tank but active you still lose out on Hp/s regen. The scorp could with a passive tank get over 125 to 135 shield hp/s. ThatÆs 625 to 675hp over 5 seconds. ThatÆs more then an Extra Large T2 shield booster with 0 cap drain. Now you dont get anywhere near that amount. ô2. If you're tanking, your damage vs regen is what determines if you're winning or about to die. This DID NOT change.ö As above losing 25% shields lowers you hp regen a lot even if you active tank. Passive shield tanking guide, click here.
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:54:00 - [35] Congrats on ruining one of best ships. Now without 10% missle and 5% shield Scorp can be trashed by all who dont use it in fleets. No way you gonna kill anything with 750m/s torp or 1600m/s CM. If those who say that +5% shield is nothing, i advice to train Caldari BS to lvl 5. How about +25% shields? Dont forget shield managment skill with also +5%? How about total of 50%? And how about now we get a more paper Scorpion that more weaker without bonuses and now cant even fly solo! Hell if such ship meet any BS that is out of jam range or got counter-jamming modules. Scorp dead. /me congratulates again on ruining one of my favourite ships in game. -=-
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:54:00 - [36] Congrats on ruining one of best ships. Now without 10% missle and 5% shield Scorp can be trashed by all who dont use it in fleets. No way you gonna kill anything with 750m/s torp or 1600m/s CM. If those who say that +5% shield is nothing, i advice to train Caldari BS to lvl 5. How about +25% shields? Dont forget shield managment skill with also +5%? How about total of 50%? And how about now we get a more paper Scorpion that more weaker without bonuses and now cant even fly solo! Hell if such ship meet any BS that is out of jam range or got counter-jamming modules. Scorp dead. /me congratulates again on ruining one of my favourite ships in game. -=-
Pottsey	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:13:00 - [37] ôHow about +25% shields? Dont forget shield managment skill with also +5%? How about total of 50%?ö DonÆt forget another 10% from Escort Tactics when in groups and the cheap 600k implants with + to shield cap and shield recharge. You could forget about tanking and relay on shear hitpoints with T2 large shield extenders added on top of all that. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
Pottsey Gallente	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:13:00 - [38] ôHow about +25% shields? Dont forget shield managment skill with also +5%? How about total of 50%?ö DonÆt forget another 10% from Escort Tactics when in groups and the cheap 600k implants with + to shield cap and shield recharge. You could forget about tanking and relay on shear hitpoints with T2 large shield extenders added on top of all that. Passive shield tanking guide, click here.
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:00:00 - [39] well im not so into shield tank much :) But still, changing scorp bonuses means "fleet only" title for it. Very disappointed. I liked Scorp as a Tier I BS for solo pvp/small scale NPC ops -=-
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:00:00 - [40] well im not so into shield tank much :) But still, changing scorp bonuses means "fleet only" title for it. Very disappointed. I liked Scorp as a Tier I BS for solo pvp/small scale NPC ops -=-
Darkwolf Caldari	Posted - 2005.04.03 22:05:00 - [41] Edited by: Darkwolf on 03/04/2005 22:08:20 Originally by: Sky Hunter well im not so into shield tank much :) But still, changing scorp bonuses means "fleet only" title for it. Very disappointed. I liked Scorp as a Tier I BS for solo pvp/small scale NPC ops Explain how you figure that? Four jammers on one target = target is jammed about 96% of the time. Five jammers on one target = target is jammed something like 98% of the time. That's with racial jammers. With multispecs, it's more like 81% with 4 jammers. Sounds pretty good for solo pvp. And for NPC operations, you can now jam NPCs. Make of this what you will. Frankly, I'm amazed at the vast hordes of people who are crawling out of the woodwork, complaining about a) the ew changes, b) the removal of two pretty crappy bonuses, and having them replaced with two pretty good bonuses. In general, without actually trying the changes on Sisi at all. Try it for yourself.
Elissa	Posted - 2006.07.23 08:26:00 - [42] Whens the last time you fought 1 NPC? In my missions, I'm usually dealing with 1-4 BS, 8-15 Cruisers and numerous frigates at once. Please tell me how ECM is going to help you in this situation.

Mephysto	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:11:00 - [43] Thread Necromancy is Bad!


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