So your ratting/running anoms in null sec a red shows up it local, you do what?

Answer the question and then feel free to post what ever you please.

I would like to ask.an admin to stop by some time and remove all the posts that do not answer the.question so.its easy for me to get the.information i seek.

Oh, neat. A thread for posers to post about how they immediately turn around and attack in their PvE Tengus.

Obviously I dock up/POS up.

So your ratting/running anoms in null sec a red shows up it local, you do what?

Answer the question and then feel free to post what ever you please.

I would like to ask.an admin to stop by some time and remove all the posts that do not answer the.question so.its easy for me to get the.information i seek.

Chances are that I'm not ratting or running anoms in the first place.

I should think not.

The best enlightenment I can offer you child is to get your hair done before you go out in public.

Vanity is a tainted vice I know, but I am concerned for the citizens.

Go in Peace
-oo-

I mean seriously I'm sure that if you were in that situation you'd obviously go right at the 20-man roaming gang with your 10k EHP anom fit Tengu but the rest of us realize that a PvE fit ship doesn't stand a chance against anything that isn't an NPC that it's specifically tanked against.

I realize you want local removed so that getting kills won't involve things like "effort" or "risk" but the rest of us tend to disagree!

So you're saying you use local as a crutch to carry on carebearing in complete safety?

Where is the risk vs. reward in that?



Miners undock when you guys are shitting up local bumping and ganking them.

**** that's funny.

So you're saying you use local as a crutch to carry on carebearing in complete safety?

Where is the risk vs. reward in that?



Miners undock when you guys are shitting up local bumping and ganking them.

**** that's funny.

lmao do you understand how local works

you have to pay attention to it

concepts like "paying attention" are alien to 99% of hiseccers

LMAO GUISE OUR CARBEARING IS SO MUCH MORE PURE THAN THEIRS.... PLEASE DON'T NERF LOCAL CCP I MIGHT DIE

Paying attention is somehow risk now? How hard is it to see there is a giant red dot on someone's name?

...

How are you supposedly extorting money from them if the the miners aren't paying attention?

Goons version of risk vs reward in eve online is to not go eat or sleep while being afk in an anom in nullsec.

also "carebearing in complete safety" implies that it's uninterrupted

let's face it, being docked up or in a POS because of hostiles in local is something i'd call an "interruption"

I'm risking not being able to farm ISK completely uninterrupted. Not being surrounded by 100% blues is a risk that my time may be killed

Are you kidding me???



Oh lord.

You're worse than any high-sec carebear goon

You won't even tolerate an interruption to your 100% safe ISK farming

Incredible.

also "carebearing in complete safety" implies that it's uninterrupted

i get it, you envy goonswarm for having space superior to the slum that is Providence but perhaps if CVA accomplished something beyond "managing to continue holding space by virtue of their space being absolute garbage" maybe you'd have access to superior space??

Implying you didn't pay 10$ last year so you could ride coattails. Now you're bragging as if you've ever accomplished anything.

my SA account predates this crappy game hth

easy answer in 5 steps

1. safe up
2. check Dscan
3. identify enemy ships
4. post in intel chat
-5. Check system is jammed.
-6: If it is, check for Rapier at #3
7. Join home defence fleet
-8. If system jammed and Rapier, stay docked.
-9. If system not jammed check for cyno frig.
-10. If no Rapier or cyno frig. Proceed.

end result: Ratting ship safe and enemy dead with your name on the KM with all your buddies.

You're claiming you're risking vs. reward is having to dock up.

Implying that isn't even more pathetic

Implying you still aren't riding coattails.

No, his risk is the possible loss of his ship if he doesn't pay attention to every single person who comes and goes within the system. When you've been ratting for a few hours, this becomes harder than you think. Your attention wanes, etc.
Some ratters are smart enough to know when they need to take a break. Others push themselves, sometimes a little too far, and they don't notice the neutral in system until suddenly there's an Arazu pointing them with a covert cyno lit.

"Oh **** guys I am earning too much ISK my eyes are getting blurry! A bad guy may enter system and I won't immedietly notice!!!"

And then guess what happens when you remove local?
Suddenly there's no way for the ratter to know about that Arazu pilot until it's already too late for him to do anything about it whatsoever.
So you're more or less suggesting that CCP make nullsec ratting impossible.

I never said remove local, read the thread. I was mocking the goon saying it shouldn't remain as is.

I never said remove local, read the thread. I was mocking the goon saying it should remain as is.

at what point did I say that I'm not perfectly fine with the status quo

And then guess what happens when you remove local?
Suddenly there's no way for the ratter to know about that Arazu pilot until it's already too late for him to do anything about it whatsoever.
So you're more or less suggesting that CCP make nullsec ratting impossible.

That's hardly my fault, seeing as you've cast yourself in with those who have argued exactly that, using their same arguments as to why local chat is supposedly overpowered.

So if you're not advocating the removal but rather you're mocking someone who says it's fine, I suppose then you have an alternative that isn't convoluted or stupid?
Or maybe you should take a look at my signature.

Farming in complete safety is probably pretty lucrative.

Maybe you should should drop the charade and fork over 10$ so you can join Andski

I know you're perfectly fine with the status quo. Farming in complete safety is probably pretty lucrative.

Now you know why so many nullsec players have highsec alts.


What charade might that be?

One wonders why I'd pay $10 to join someone who continually insults my method of income.
Not that I care all that much, but the maths don't quite add up there, you see.

yeah i clearly farm NPCs in nullsec like a plebeian, that's why I have a perfect 5.0 sec status and definitely not solid -10

it's so impressive that you attack miners in high-sec who have to put up with actual risk, unlike you

such an ebil piwate

yeah if only hisec had CONCORD just like nullsec

Oh no did your 5m catalyst get blown up after you ganked.. I mean piwated a defenseless miner.

I think we may finally be starting to uncover why exactly you're so angry and spiteful.

Because someone's bragging he's -10 when he never risked anything in that endeavor either?

I don't even know why you're in this thread besides to defend a goon, which is pathetic.

I'm defending a Goon? That's news to me. I thought I was defending local.

Yeah it certainly looks as if that's what you're doing

I'm sure there's a T.V. show coming on that you could concern yourself with. The goon can stick up for himself he's a solid -10

Funny to see the null bears running in here proclaiming they have to deal with risk.

No, his risk is the possible loss of his ship if he doesn't pay attention to every single person who comes and goes within the system. When you've been ratting for a few hours, this becomes harder than you think. Your attention wanes, etc.
Some ratters are smart enough to know when they need to take a break. Others push themselves, sometimes a little too far, and they don't notice the neutral in system until suddenly there's an Arazu pointing them with a covert cyno lit.

i laugh every time somebody claims that removing local will "reinvigorate" nullsec because clearly every potential target will just sit there waiting for that single bomber to decloak and tackle them while 20 dudes warp in to finish them off

meanwhile a lot of those demanding the removal of local are hypocrites who hide behind the security blanket of hisec, hiding behind broken crimewatch mechanics and demanding more safety

That is easy when TS in most CFC alliances and other 0.0 alliances have bots that make an alarming sound over comms as soon as a none blue enters ratting system, before that neut/red has time to load grid. Then thanks to local and numbers you got intel channels as well. Bottom line, a pve:er that died in 0.0 will only die IF he was not playing afk with ship in a site, anom or a belt.

man i'm sure glad i don't have to face the same level of risk as hisec bot miners

we only have to deal with bubbles, hotdrops, supercapitals and other trivial things, thank goodness we're not getting bumped out of range of an asteroid because that is just awful

When I sneak past intel scouts and bubble camps, the only way anybody would know I was in the system was through local.

The only way I would know if I were alone or not is through local.

While you make many arguments in favor of a system defender, I have seen enough threads about local to know that if removed, both sides of the equation gain and lose equally. Nobody is really getting screwed over or given an advantage over another.


Admittedly in such previous threads everybody can agree that the D-Scan needs work if local were to be removed.

Says the impossible to war dec alliance unless you are ultra rich...

It's more like we want to continue to have roams and there still being targets to kill, not have to deal with a game where there are no more targets because everyone has moved their PvE gear to highsec

You sure that's why there's no targets?

Does blue-blue-blue from north to south along the entire western side have much to do with it?

All the targets are DEAD!

They left. Got killed. Smashed. Rolled. Stomped. Wiped Out. Evicted.

i love the crap people make up

it's almost as if you can't simply do three things

1) open map
2) click 'npc kills'
3) set destination

Yep, thus, increasing the risk.

Make up?

I am sorry but I have sat on teamspeaks of many 0.0 entities including the CFC and if you want to deny the usage of local alarm bots that's fine, but I know better.

You sure that's why there's no targets?

Does blue-blue-blue from north to south along the entire western side have much to do with it? .

more like "increasing the risk to a level where you'd have to be absolutely stupid to take it and you're absolutely better off eating that 10% income hit and doing your thing in hisec"

considering that I've never heard of a 'teamspeak local alarm' or been around when one of these is active, well, you're just making things up

NPC alts making things up, shocking!

I am sorry but I have sat on teamspeaks of many 0.0 entities including the CFC and if you want to deny the usage of local alarm bots that's fine, but I know better.

yeah 500m is "ultra rich"

man those dudes with carriers must be ballin'

I just like calling out the hypocrisy coming from the goons

I also don't particularly respect the fact that they paid 10$ for a ****-tier internet forum so they can pose as the cool kids in this nerdy game.

As far as local goes, it probably needs a change yeah.

Gawd. Even I, the greatest maker-upper in Eve-O's horrible history wouldn't make this one up!

Sorry, svenska, you're sorta pretty but would be much better suited with blonde hair.

Fine, then go to highsec and leave 0.0 for the rest of us

Oh and thanks for reaffirming your carebear stance.

"nerf successful alliances!"

it's almost as if you can't simply do three things

1) open map
2) click 'npc kills'
3) set destination

I'd still be in nullsec because, as I've stated before, I don't depend on ratting for ISK. Even if I did, I'd still be in nullsec because I'd move money making alts to hisec.

Tell me why nullsec being a desert full of dudes who only log in for fleet ops (since there are no targets for roaming) while funding their PvP with hisec alts is a much better scenario than a nullsec where dudes fund their PvP in nullsec, thus providing targets for roams. Then I might actually take you seriously!

more like "increasing the risk to a level where you'd have to be absolutely stupid to take it and you're absolutely better off eating that 10% income hit and doing your thing in hisec"

I am not lying, either you are or you didn't know, now you do.

You fund pvp by tech moons and many of your members already do highsec alts, I want highsec nerfed anyway hopefully at the same time.

Buff incomes in nullsec and lowsec for individuals doing anoms and mining for instance while nerfing highsec like even removing all level 4's, take away local at same time and you got what EVE should be!

Though, that alarm thing got me thinking. Shields? Armor? Hull maybe?

Yes I am lying. You're not even sorta pretty.

Though, that alarm thing got me thinking. Shields? Armor? Hull maybe?

You fund pvp by tech moons

while I'm a director, I don't have personal tech moons so, no, my PvP isn't funded by tech moons

What they do is make or put an alt in local of their ratting system, then use a script over coms that every time someone not blue enters it sounds an alarm over comms usually a channel made up on TS with that char in it and run it 24/7. So once you do PVE in that system you sit on TS on that channel and afk until you hear alarm and warp of.

It is just one good reason for removing local.

oh man you're still playing that card

guys, hisec miners have bots that continously keep concord in their belts, this is why concord should be removed

Did the war go so bad you dropped full SRP in goons?

Now you get it.

yeah we totally dropped our reimbursement program after taking all of the tech in tribute

damn, npc corp members should be writing for themittani dot com

in four months this guy has, according to his own words, infiltrated the CFC 'local alarm scheme', fought INK tengu fleets and engaged in solo ninja ratting excursions into deep 0.0, all without losing a single ship.

that CFC 'local alarm' thing would probably make a fun EN24 dropbox troll, simply include a soundcloud recording of some dudes talking in mumble and then getting cut off by a TTS voice going 'HOSTILE ENTERED LOCAL'

"alright guys align to *ding - neutral in local* when you arrive at the ga- BARK BARK *ding - neutral in local* and for the love of BARK whatever *ding - neutral in local* so ARF ARF - al in locak BARK local okay primary is *ding* BARK BARK

You are coming across as more dumb for every post you make, you can have several channels on teamspeak for instance, you put the bot in a special made channel for that specific system the character is currently in and then the alarms is heard by those doing PVE activities, in that channel, who are in the channel because they are doing PVE in that system.

Oh and you can abuse this further which I am sure they do, put same thing for chokepoint systems and down a pipe etc and get even earlier warnings several jumps out immediately and so forth. You can also set it up with jabber and more including char names etc.

Local is broken!

If you are crying cause you don't have enough targets then reset some blues. You guys do realize this game is about combat not seeing who can give each other be best reach around.

Perhaps making the point that local is broken by pointing out ways it is abused by the ones I argue with is wrong way of going about this, well I happen to know ROL, AAA and SOLAR Fleet does the same, can you now accept that local is broken, unfair and takes away from what EVE should be?

TEST and HBC killed more of their enemies PVE:ers awoxxing than they did using normal means during the whole war for instance, yes I know that stat be hard to back up but every anom ratting carrier I saw blew up had a blue helping out.

It's cute how you're the only one who says that such a system even exists. I've been on RAZOR Teamspeak and Goon Mumble many, many times and there's no such thing as what you're describing.

The closest equivalent would be intel channels.

No, because your premise is obviously flawed.


This just in: AWOXing is really easy.

I hope the red comes to my belt as if he does i will try to kill him. They never do though.

You are coming across as more dumb for every post you make, you can have several channels on teamspeak for instance, you put the bot in a special made channel for that specific system the character is currently in and then the alarms is heard by those doing PVE activities, in that channel, who are in the channel because they are doing PVE in that system.

I am sure once with BoB then with Goons you are worried constantly for reds dropping by your belt all the time.

How many systems do you think goons rat in exactly? 2? 3? Or does every goon have TS channel creation powers?

Is that an attempt at a troll? idgi

The only PvE ship I own is a 3bn ISK Vindicator that hasn't paid for even a fraction of itself because I have the capital to make ISK without shooting red crosses like a pleb, but whatevs.

Tell me Marlona, if local in 0.0 is making ganking PvE ships in 0.0 pointless and impossible and killing nullsec, why does nullsec have more marauder losses then all other regions combined despite having only, at best, one-fifth the active players living in it?

http://www.eve-kill.net/?scl_id=33

I saw it in Intel 20 minutes ago. I'm already doing something else on another client.

i get it, you envy goonswarm for having space superior to the slum that is Providence but perhaps if CVA accomplished something beyond "managing to continue holding space by virtue of their space being absolute garbage" maybe you'd have access to superior space??

So your ratting/running anoms in null sec a red shows up it local, you do what?

So your ratting/running anoms in null sec a red shows up it local, you do what?

Amusing to see some null folks cry about no income in null space, yet in another or even the very same thread, talk about how they are somehow magically rich and too good to talk to the poors of the game.

How can you be rich and poor at the same time? They do far too much lying.

You're worse than any high-sec carebear goon

You won't even tolerate an interruption to your 100% safe ISK farming

Incredible.

So your ratting/running anoms in null sec a red shows up it local, you do what?

Answer the question and then feel free to post what ever you please.

I would like to ask.an admin to stop by some time and remove all the posts that do not answer the.question so.its easy for me to get the.information i seek.

i'm not a goon (thanks god). however....

interruption means that you loose time YOU ALREADY PAID FOR and dedicated to play. And i really don't know people who would tolerate it.

It's like getting into road traffic on the way home from long working day. Show me person who would "tolerate" it

Next. Interruption while ratting in anomaly means loosing drones (if you didn't use fighters). NPC love to shoot them if they can. And here we have ISK loss (isn't it what people call "risk"?)

That's nice you and the goons play this game to farm ISK in complete safety and are so spoiled that you practically consider the lossof good farming hours IRL theft.

0.0 confirmed for carebear fantasy land.

I don't know which universe you're playing in, but this is pretty far off the mark.

Oh? When did 0.0 become so safe I could AFK for days without risking losing a ship?

Implying you don't risk losing a ship in high-sec

Implying people in 0.0 can't AFK

Implying it's hard to have a separate window for local and aren't 2 clicks from complete safety.

God forbid something in the sandbox interrupts your precious PVE time.

That's nice you and the goons play this game to farm ISK in complete safety and are so spoiled that you practically consider the lossof good farming hours IRL theft.

But there is more to the game than PVE and the accumulation of ISK

It's funny we're not even talking about the loss of a ship, that's completely off that table. That's how safe you people are.

The biggest threat to you is having to dock up.

0.0 confirmed for carebear fantasy land.

People AFK in 0.0 all the time, have you ever been to 0.0 ? How much traffic do you think is there? Honestly.

I've seen pods just sitting at gates, when I come back the other way they're still there (I was in a shuttle)

On the off chance you get an AFK cloaker you dock and hide then change systems.

The functionality of local is greatly reduced in high sec, as any neut could be red and you won't know until it's too late.

Go ahead and park a JF at a POCO in 0.0 and go AFK if want. People mine in Titans there, it isn't as if you'd be special.

On the off chance you get an AFK cloaker you dock and hide then change systems.

The functionality of local is greatly reduced in high sec, as any neut could be red and you won't know until it's too late.

Go ahead and park a JF at a POCO in 0.0 and go AFK if want. People mine in Titans there, it isn't as if you'd be special.

Dock up.... and get a PvP ship.

Pretty much this. If you don't defend your territory, it doesn't stay yours for very long.

Pretty much this. If you don't defend your territory, it doesn't stay yours for very long.

The only PvE ship I own is a 3bn ISK Vindicator that hasn't paid for even a fraction of itself because I have the capital to make ISK without shooting red crosses like a pleb, but whatevs.

Small roaming gangs don't threaten any part of any space, unless the alliance which lives there is so bad it literally must be thrown out.

As to docking up from your ratting and switching over to a PVP ship, if only there was any reason whatsoever to do this, instead of just docking up and assassinating your ******** son in Crusader Kings 2 so your nonretarded son can be the proper heir instead while you wait for the gang to roll on by. Sadly, however, there isn't. There's nothing being done in nullsec which necessitates beating off roaming gangs, so most people don't. And they're right in doing so.

SimCity4

If only the new SimCity wasn't published by EA. :negative:

The best bit about using SimCity4 to pass the time while alt tabbed out of EVE is that it doesn't take long until your city implodes so you don't accidentally get caught up in your secondary game.

So not going to play OpenTTD, then. :v:

I really wish you hadn't just alerted me to the existence of that game :(

Amusing to see some null folks cry about no income in null space, yet in another or even the very same thread, talk about how they are somehow magically rich and too good to talk to the poors of the game.

How can you be rich and poor at the same time? They do far too much lying.

Implying you don't risk losing a ship in high-sec

The functionality of local is greatly reduced in high sec, as any neut could be red and you won't know until it's too late.

Go ahead and park a JF at a POCO in 0.0 and go AFK if want. People mine in Titans there, it isn't as if you'd be special.

Verily good space captains, what do ye do when some nefarious bugger comes into your system whilst you are engaged in the PvE content of your own choosing?

It's more interesting to consider the number of ships lost per person.

0.0 is about 4.5x more dangerous to the individual player than empire, or about 20x more dangerous if you disregard PvE losses.

So not going to play OpenTTD, then. :v:

Because everyone is using Tengu's?

So not only do I prove your 'nullsec is safe' claim is wrong, I preemptively proved a 'everyone uses tengus' claim is wrong by posting a laundry list of nullsec marauder kills.

I'm more surprised that people actually fly marauders in nullsec

Couldn't marauders by lolfit to be (very) expensive pvp ships?...

Actually my first response is generally something like "oh **** how long has he been there"
Then I POS up.

Go to a POS and get a drink.

Or join home defense fleet.

Why is this even a question?

It's a question because Mirima Thurander thinks depopulating nullsec by ******* with local is a good idea. Nothing new. vOv