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Doc Brown	Posted - 2005.04.01 18:33:00 - [1] So umm.. what happenes to the cargo if a Freighter is destroyed carrying a few dis-assembled ships? _________________________________________________ There are no bad ideas, only bad implementations.
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.04.01 18:56:00 - [2] hopefully you're forced to / or can assemble a ship before you move it. It would work that much better.. haul a bunch of indies but you can still fill up their holds with cargo or their slots with modules. much more realistic ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Doc Brown	Posted - 2005.04.01 18:58:00 - [3] So if the Freighter has one item that fills up it's entire hold, that item is good as gone? _________________________________________________ There are no bad ideas, only bad implementations.
Phades	Posted - 2005.04.01 19:05:00 - [4] Heh just imagine audit containers littering space from a destroyed freighter.
Doc Brown	Posted - 2005.04.01 20:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Phades Heh just imagine audit containers littering space from a destroyed freighter. Hmm.... From the upcomming patch notes (http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp): "All Audit Log Secure Containers in space have been anchored. If an audit log secure container in space is not anchored, then it is publicly accessible. Audit Log Secure Containers in stations remain secure as per their configuration." _________________________________________________ There are no bad ideas, only bad implementations.
Phades	Posted - 2005.04.01 20:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Phades on 01/04/2005 20:34:34 My point was, the objects will still exist, because frieghters are not supposed to be able to retrieve anything to their cargo hold from space. If they can scoop said containers to their hold from space, then instead of jet can mining, you will see warehouse secure containers used as ad/hoc methods to reduce the number of trips to and from the station in mining ops. That would effectivly make the old style industrial ships completely obscelete, in addition to being a waste of data base space.
Shirei	Posted - 2005.04.01 20:31:00 - [7] It's gonna work the same way as shuttles in indies work currently I guess... So someone try it out and see what happens?
El Yatta	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:24:00 - [8] But a shuttle can fit into a jet can. Are jet cans going to go to 100k+ - as the original concept of teh jetcan wasnt mining but to take anything the biggest cargohold could drop when destroyed. Multiple jetcans would be problematic for ships - as they can't be split up. Maybe Freighter Cans that pop like jetcans will drop - so you can only use them if to help mining if you pop a freighter in the right spot :P ---:::---
Elemmakil	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Phades Edited by: Phades on 01/04/2005 20:34:34 My point was, the objects will still exist, because frieghters are not supposed to be able to retrieve anything to their cargo hold from space. If they can scoop said containers to their hold from space, then instead of jet can mining, you will see warehouse secure containers used as ad/hoc methods to reduce the number of trips to and from the station in mining ops. That would effectivly make the old style industrial ships completely obscelete, in addition to being a waste of data base space.
Elemmakil	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:45:00 - [10] Edited by: Elemmakil on 03/04/2005 14:47:30 Originally by: Phades Edited by: Phades on 01/04/2005 20:34:34 My point was, the objects will still exist, because frieghters are not supposed to be able to retrieve anything to their cargo hold from space. If they can scoop said containers to their hold from space, then instead of jet can mining, you will see warehouse secure containers used as ad/hoc methods to reduce the number of trips to and from the station in mining ops. That would effectivly make the old style industrial ships completely obscelete, in addition to being a waste of data base space. I still can¦t see why such a big EXPENSIVE, SLOW ship, could replace and make normal CHEAP, FASTER Indies Obsolete. Explain please. Are you sure there¦s no use for old style indies? Do you really expect everybody and his mother flying these toys?
Stepping Razor	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Elemmakil I still can¦t see why such a big EXPENSIVE, SLOW ship, could replace and make normal CHEAP, FASTER Indies Obsolete. Explain please. Are you sure there¦s no use for old style indies? Do you really expect everybody and his mother flying these toys? Um, yes? Most indy flying overall in game is moving stuff from place to place. Especially mins hauling, trading and POS supplying (aside from the last 1/2 mile to actually supply the POS). The Iteron V won't be truly obsolete, but you can bet you'll see the volume of indies dropping like crazy once these are available. Ppl use instas and maxed expanders in indies most of the time anyways. Oh, I didn't mention the number one use of these ships. Massive lvl 4 hauling missions.... Razor Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon CCP is the best at at least three things: 1. Really, really fun gameplay 2. Good forum presence 3. Inventing new and exciting ways to bring about in-game catacly
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.04.03 17:36:00 - [12] since you can only load up from space youll be buggered if your ship gets destroyed, basically youll need a fleet of indys to get your cargo. Consiquently i hope the freighters have nice stats, but no offensive capabilities, so they can withstand a prolongued attack. I see the main use of these beasts will be to carry low end ores i.e trit around empire, ships and other stuff. They do look cooler then BS'es tho, but personally im looking forward to when dreads are released Death to the Galante
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2005.04.03 17:44:00 - [13] Originally by: El Yatta But a shuttle can fit into a jet can. Are jet cans going to go to 100k+ - as the original concept of teh jetcan wasnt mining but to take anything the biggest cargohold could drop when destroyed. Multiple jetcans would be problematic for ships - as they can't be split up. Maybe Freighter Cans that pop like jetcans will drop - so you can only use them if to help mining if you pop a freighter in the right spot :P Apparently when an indy carrying a shuttle is blown up the shuttle is launched into space as a shuttle (which can then be boarded and flown off) so ships carried would probably work the same way ? . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.04.03 17:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Elemmakil I still can¦t see why such a big EXPENSIVE, SLOW ship, could replace and make normal CHEAP, FASTER Indies Obsolete. Explain please. Are you sure there¦s no use for old style indies? Do you really expect everybody and his mother flying these toys? Because an Interon Mk5 can hold about 26k with the most expensive expanders where a Freighter can carry 100k without a single expander. Who knows how high it will go with expanders. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Phades	Posted - 2005.04.03 21:04:00 - [15] Edited by: Phades on 03/04/2005 21:04:54 Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm Originally by: El Yatta But a shuttle can fit into a jet can. Are jet cans going to go to 100k+ - as the original concept of teh jetcan wasnt mining but to take anything the biggest cargohold could drop when destroyed. Multiple jetcans would be problematic for ships - as they can't be split up. Maybe Freighter Cans that pop like jetcans will drop - so you can only use them if to help mining if you pop a freighter in the right spot :P Apparently when an indy carrying a shuttle is blown up the shuttle is launched into space as a shuttle (which can then be boarded and flown off) so ships carried would probably work the same way ? I didnt think that unassembeled items became assembeled in space post destruction. For some reason i also still cant shake the feeling that repackaged items should take up less space than assembled items. but meh whatever
Branmuffin	Posted - 2005.04.03 22:47:00 - [16] Make it so that Freighters jettison special 999,000 m3 jetcans... Due to the difficulty of getting that much stuff out of a can without a freighter make it so that the jetcans last until downtime.
Minuz1	Posted - 2005.04.04 03:45:00 - [17] Edited by: Minuz1 on 04/04/2005 03:45:55 I was hoping that CCP would have put Caldary navy raven's into containers in space as loot for agent missions APRIL FOOLS!!!! -Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat!!!!!
Aleis	Posted - 2005.04.04 05:22:00 - [18] Ships in cargo of an Indy when it gets blown up becomes assembled and left like a normal abandoned ship, doesn't go into a jet can.
Phades	Posted - 2005.04.04 18:56:00 - [19] So what about ships inside of containers?

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