Notes: This weapon can only fire on ships that are capital-sized or larger. After firing, you will be immobile for thirty seconds and will be unable to activate your jump drive or cloaking device for ten minutes.

As much as I trust the infallable posting prowess of Large Collidable Objects I do feel the obligation to ask for confirmation.

This is a good move imo, anything to reduce supercap dominance is needed. Use subcaps to take out subcaps.

Tech nerf is coming, but I hope when they rebalance moon goo this time, they talk to Akita T and don't screw it up as bad as they did last time.

They didn't screw up the last time. In fact I think they did an awesome job with balancing moon mining the last time. Eventually it caused a massive war: the nc profited from it for some time until they were kicked out of their space by a more powerful coalition because they wanted to profit from the high value moons. I think this is EVE at its finest. ItGÇÖs not CCPs job to perfectly balance everything. Perfect balance makes a game utterly boring. There has to be intended imbalance to not make the game stagnate.

Its a start.

Lets see what the rest of the nerf looks like.

soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?

Either some very powerful sarcasm or utterly clueless

soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

soon solo titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.

soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?

I feel compelled to smugpost like whoah. Death to all supercaps.

thanks for proving how useless the CSM is, on the other hand you are a goon... couldn't expect anything more of you

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

Edit: So I decided to look up your evekill history. quite the 1337 titan pilot I see, can't wait till you rage quit when titan gun tracking gets nerfed.

do you want a cookie now that we all know you have half a brain and can read?

do you want a cookie now that we all know you have half a brain and can read?

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?

Hardly a nerf (merely a fix), but still it is greatly needed.

do you want a cookie now that we all know you have half a brain and can read?

You all are just jealous at the money required for one to be a supercap pilot.

Does this reduce the power of the Russian Alliance?

OP is trolling, the test server has been down for days.

Seriously though, if this IS true, then it's gonna be awesome for me and my bro's, more titans needed to take out all other hostile caps on the field easily.

No more wasting time 1 shotting logi now.

If this is confirmed

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I was rather hoping for a nerf to jumpbridges though...

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?

Winter is coming...

Confirming that battleships can point titans

Still hoping for reduction in the ability of XL turrets on Titans to hit subcaps.

This has already been confirmed...their tracking is getting nerfed.

Before the nerf/change (put whatever you want) can you pls fix the following things?

1. Leviathan shield bonus. To get at full shields after of my OWN bonus application, I need 5-6h. And the shield bonus dont give you anything when a gazilion of ships (whatever size) shoots you.

2. Crystal vs Slave set. Is there any reason that armor tanks get an extra bonus here? And not to talk about akemons implant.

3. Pasive vs active tank. Is there a reason that armor tanked supers have like 4-5 times better tank than armor tanked supers. And thats mostly passive (with all what it brings)?

AFTER you fix those things, you can change the DD, the role of the ships, or delete the damn ships so we can all have peace........

This has already been confirmed...their tracking is getting nerfed.

This nerf is welcome. I'd have rather make DD require a special npc fuel that cost 1B to discourage it's casual use

Personally, i think that was unnecessary - if I value a subcap on field higher than any present cap, I should be able to DD it, but meh - the world is not gonna end because of it...

Discuss

Guardians ans Damnations all over New Eden were heard emitting a sigh in relief.

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

Before the nerf/change (put whatever you want) can you pls fix the following things?

1. Leviathan shield bonus. To get at full shields after of my OWN bonus application, I need 5-6h. And the shield bonus dont give you anything when a gazilion of ships (whatever size) shoots you.

2. Crystal vs Slave set. Is there any reason that armor tanks get an extra bonus here? And not to talk about akemons implant.

3. Pasive vs active tank. Is there a reason that armor tanked supers have like 4-5 times better tank than armor tanked supers. And thats mostly passive (with all what it brings)?

AFTER you fix those things, you can change the DD, the role of the ships, or delete the damn ships so we can all have peace........

a bloobloobloo

I bought a big expensive auto-win button and now its being fixed

a bloobloobloo

I am going to have to come out and say that in this thread I see a lot of bitter newbies who are jealous of older rich experienced players who have invested the countless hours and immense amounts of ISK into purchasing and training for titans crying their eyes out over not having one themselves, and being very jealous of those who do.

I can promise that if any of these cry babies had their own titans, all complaints would disappear.

That said, Titans need to be balanced, and I am fine with this change, but holy crap, the amount of "have-not" tears in this thread is disgusting.

I am going to have to come out and say that in this thread I see a lot of bitter newbies who are jealous of older rich experienced players who have invested the countless hours and immense amounts of ISK into purchasing and training for titans crying their eyes out over not having one themselves, and being very jealous of those who do.

Titans were not made to be a subcap killer. CCP is correcting that mistake.

Actually, they were - I'm not saying that is the right role for them now, but it really was their intended role when introduced - killing blobs of subcaps.

Haha you're dumb.

You are still dumb and in an alliance with a DOT.

Haha you're dumb.

And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. We don't win because we have titans or SCs, we win because we are better than you.

Haha you're dumber than the RaidenDOT guy.

And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. .

Maybe, but at least he doesn't have Needa3 in alliance chat.

I was not speaking to the Goon specifically, but rather all the crying babies hating in this thread that wish they were capable enough to have earned themself a super themselves.

...and yet I manage to be right.

Unless you have any evidence to counter my point?

No, thought not.

I am going to have to come out and say that in this thread I see a lot of bitter newbies who are jealous of older rich experienced players who have invested the countless hours and immense amounts of ISK into purchasing and training for titans crying their eyes out over not having one themselves, and being very jealous of those who do.

I can promise that if any of these cry babies had their own titans, all complaints would disappear.

That said, Titans need to be balanced, and I am fine with this change, but holy crap, the amount of "have-not" tears in this thread is disgusting.

Titans were originally made to be a deterrent to blobbing by giving them a powerful AoE weapon. It was later realised that this was not fun (for anyone other than the titan pilot) as it often killed fleet fights before they started by wiping out a whole fleet. It was also realised to be a node killing lag monster. Finally it was admitted that it did not really deter players from blobbing.

So in Dominion super capitals were re-designed as Capital ship killers - in the case of Titans the AoE effect was replaced with a one-shot death ray which can pop a dreadnaught in one shot (depending on fit). They also IIRC gained the current damage bonus to XL guns in Dominion. Unfortunately that same deathray can be used to kill any other ship class other than another super capital. They also have XL guns that don't suffer from a dreads siege mode tracking penalty.

Titans are not meant to be good at anti-sub capital warfare, they are meant to be good at capital ship killing. The fact that they still can kill sub caps so easily is a design flaw. Like supercarriers, Dominion gave Titans more flexibility than they should really have for their raw power.

Titans were originally made to be a deterrent to blobbing by giving them a powerful AoE weapon. It was later realised that this was not fun (for anyone other than the titan pilot) as it often killed fleet fights before they started by wiping out a whole fleet. It was also realised to be a node killing lag monster. Finally it was admitted that it did not really deter players from blobbing.

So in Dominion super capitals were re-designed as Capital ship killers - in the case of Titans the AoE effect was replaced with a one-shot death ray which can pop a dreadnaught in one shot (depending on fit). They also IIRC gained the current damage bonus to XL guns in Dominion. Unfortunately that same deathray can be used to kill any other ship class other than another super capital. They also have XL guns that don't suffer from a dreads siege mode tracking penalty.

Titans are not meant to be good at anti-sub capital warfare, they are meant to be good at capital ship killing. The fact that they still can kill sub caps so easily is a design flaw. Like supercarriers, Dominion gave Titans more flexibility than they should really have for their raw power.

2) This paves the way for a capital gun platform ship to take on sub caps.

So titans can instantly DD a subcap, what of it? They're ships that cost so much more then anything out there that they should be able to instantly crush a subcap.

So in a game with an economy awash with macro'd ISK, wealth fountains like tech moons, and almost 9 years for long term players to acquire fantastic wealth, do you think it's a great idea to balance ships purely on cost?

Seriously though, the "It's OK for Titans to be gamefuckingly overpowered because they're expensive" argument has been debunked so many times and for so long now that you should be embarrassed for making it. When a single alliance can talk about fielding a fleet of them in the triple digits, they're not expensive enough to justify being that OP. If they were so expensive that there were only maybe half a dozen or so in the game (as CCP originally envisaged) then yeah, it would be OK for them to be OP because there wouldn't be enough of them to matter. But they're just not special enough for that.

So they have to be nerfed. Deal with it.

Seems to me that if CCP did a decent job on fixing the economy to be truly player driven, then the issue of 9 years of long-term players would hardly be a big concern. Obviously that's not the case though, so there is legitimacy to your point, but only to a point.



I think you aren't exactly looking at the big picture here. In EVE, both in the realms of subcaps and supercaps, expensive things when fielded in high enough numbers and by competent people will almost always spank a foe who brings ships of less value, even if competency wasn't a factor. As a fun little mental experiment, try taking 200 people from some of the better alliances out there and give both of them FC's that are of relatively equal calibre. But give one side twice as much isk to purchase ships and mods. Who should win statistically? I don't know about you, but I'd bet that the side with more isk should win.

And realistically, how often have 100+ titans been fielded? To my knowledge, it's a pretty big deal to get that many titan pilots all together and fighting at the same time because it's so rare. CCP imo would be better off in working to solve the ability of pilots to gather that many titans togetther in huge blobs then in trying to make subcap blobs invincible against titans.

Not sure if you played back then, and are just ignorant or what, but Titans used to have an AoE which killed hundreds of subcaps all at once. They currently have a focused single target DD which kills one ship every 10 minutes. That seems pretty nerfed to me already. But I guess the cry baby nooblets must get their way.

And just to be clear, you will still get owned because you are terrible. We don't win because we have titans or SCs, we win because we are better than you. That is why we have titans and SCs in the first place.

I am going to have to come out and say that in this thread I see a lot of bitter newbies who are jealous of older rich experienced players who have invested the countless hours and immense amounts of ISK into purchasing and training for titans crying their eyes out over not having one themselves, and being very jealous of those who do.

Now you're dumb.

The "big picture" is exactly what I'm looking at. Yes it is reasonable that there should be progression in an MMO, with players having something to aspire to. No it is not reasonable that the object of aspiration should have 3 orders of magnitude more EHP, and an instapwnanythingsmallerthanme device, and the ability to easily hit ships 2 size classes smaller than itself. Even after the projected nerfs to DD, tracking and EHP, Titans will still be incredibly powerful, they'll still be an object of aspiration.

Solo titans can be killed, given sufficient numbers and sufficient player error, as you'll no doubt point out in a fallacious attempt to prove that ships that are routinely fielded in numbers of 10 or more are balanced. If Titans were normally seen on the battlefield solo then, as I said, we'd be fine. But the plain fact is, there's no reasonable counter to a fleet with many titans other than having more titans, and increasingly large fleets of titans are what we're seeing every day

So deal with the EHP. That also seems to be the problem with supers when they logoff as well. Reducing the ehp would mean you'd have to be much more careful about fielding them and a standard call to logoff might result in the loss of several titans to the enemy, not to mention in normal battle. I don't disagree that titans, and supers especially, could use a nerf, but I think this is going about it all the wrong way. Having titans on the field to deal with the most important subcaps by DDing them imo is a good thing, as they serve as a powerful force multiplier, much like logi but obviously in a different capacity. Removing that ability just takes away from the game by further constricting a relatively niche role. Compare that to a nerf to the Titan EHP, so that Titans are no longer invunerable pwnmobiles and I think you'd be in a much better place then you are now. And no, remove EHP, DD and tracking doesn't leave the Titan class incredibly powerful. It makes it about as useful as a severely overpriced, slightly tankier dread with the ability to bridge people.

another clear sign ccp has no clue what they are doing.


soon titans will die to 10 man bs gangs with logi support.

CCp do you really think screwing up more is going to make people come back. youhave the awesome number of 26.000 players online right now. It use to we double.

don't you thing it is time to turn time back to Red Moon Rising?

PS As for EHP, I advocated removing the rig slots on supercapitals. The only thing they're ever used for is T2 EHP rigs (or T1 when they're purchased by idiots)

I'm pretty sure I said this too (somewhere). It removes something like 30-40% of a supercap's typical EHP, which is hardly crippling but means a supercap has a smaller margin of error if you do something stupid with it. It also sidesteps the weird anomaly we have currently where the same size rig is used for both battleships and Titans.

So basically you are agreeing with the point I made, that the Titan's role was that of subcap blob killer.

I am perfectly aware of all the other stuff in your post, painfully so, but they are unrelated to the point I was specifically responding to.

It's fine for people to look back over the last two years and say, "It should have been like this in the first place!" and froth at the mouth if it makes them feel better, but the real issue is that this sat unchanged for the better part of two years.

Not really, it's both. Two years ago the question of "what happens when there are super-cap blobs?" should have been addressed and answered. Even at the time it should have been obvious that super-capitals scale wonderfully and there would be a race to have the dominant super-capital force which would allow a small number of pilots to control massive amounts of space and block new entrants into null-sec space.

Though other than that CCP being able to watch the arms-race via the QEN and not doing anything about it is also inexcusable.